At 1/14/09 04:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: But Equilibrium ?!? I do not fucking get it... No way dude, I really doubt that you will find anyway to prove to me that they are bad.

He doesn't have to prove it.
While I disagree with Ponos, This is a perfect example of when"To each his own" becomes valid.
Can't you just agree to disagree?
This will never be "settled", so move on.

At 1/14/09 06:04 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: He doesn't have to prove it.
While I disagree with Ponos, This is a perfect example of when"To each his own" becomes valid.
Can't you just agree to disagree?
This will never be "settled", so move on.

what, who the fuck are you and what the fuck have you done with Kidd :P

not much to report im too much into hardcore atm

At 1/13/09 10:31 PM, PenisClown wrote: But folk metal bands like Ensiferum and Equilibrium suck.

Hey Ponos guess what

At 1/14/09 05:43 AM, Nev wrote:

At 1/14/09 04:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: How can you even say something like this?

Cheesey Folk is poor.

indeed. good folk music is something thats been around me my whole life thanks to my dad, and because of that i react to cheesy folk the same way most people in here react to nu-metal...WITH ANGER!!! seriously the old traditional ballads are brutal as fuck, all maidens getting raped by demigods in the woods and lords slaughtering each other n shit. none of this twee diddly diddly shite
also i was just thinking how cool it is theres so many doom fans around here these days. i remember when i first joined it was pretty much just me, idio and batman that talked about it.

listening to- antlers of the midnight sun; comets on fire (AWESOME psychedelic/noise rock)

At 1/14/09 08:21 AM, mrdurgan wrote: seriously the old traditional ballads are brutal as fuck, all maidens getting raped by demigods in the woods and lords slaughtering each other n shit. none of this twee diddly diddly shite

As a rule if you can skip to something then its not Metal.
Unless its that part in And Then There Was Silence, but thats preceded and followed by 13 minutes of fucking amazing.

Actually Blind Guardian have a few skippy moments... but they're Blind Guardian and for that I'll let them off.

i remember when i first joined it was pretty much just me, idio and batman that talked about it.

Clearly it paid off.

Reverend Bizarre - Sodoma Sunrise (In the Rectory of the Bizarre Reverend)

Skipping drama as usual.

At 1/13/09 10:07 AM, PenisClown wrote: As a raging Opeth fan, I will say this; Ghost Reveries is a weak album for Opeth. I enjoy it. I think It's awesome.

I gave it a few listens yesterday and it's not bad, but isn't as great as the other two Opeth albums I've heard (i.e. Still Life and Blackwater Park).

At 1/13/09 10:45 AM, Nev wrote: They never play The Moor live :(.

Why the fuck not? It's a fantastic song!

At 1/13/09 11:58 AM, Abyssus wrote: I only have Ghost Reveries, and it's good, but I've never got into it too much...

I recommend having a look at Still Life.

At 1/14/09 04:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: PenisClown... you said Equilibrium and Nightrage are bad... I totally hate you !!

Remember when I told you about opinions, and how you need to lighten the fuck up? Yeah.

At 1/14/09 09:34 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 1/14/09 04:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: PenisClown... you said Equilibrium and Nightrage are bad... I totally hate you !!

Remember when I told you about opinions, and how you need to lighten the fuck up? Yeah.

Nah its okay, its just a joke.
Though he's a long way off this level of comedy.

Gojira doing a tour of the UK?

Why yes.

Nev happy about that.

Why yes. I'll just have to ignore the depressing overtones of Gojira live and enjoy the fact that they're fucking ace live :D.

Imogen Heap - Speeding Cars

I don't know much about this talk of Burzum sucking, but Burzum fucking own - especially their piano only songs :3 On a related note, does anyone actually know when Varg will get out of prison?

At 1/14/09 02:56 PM, sirtom93 wrote: On a related note, does anyone actually know when Varg will get out of prison?

7 years from now. Not counting a brief spell that he's allowed to visit his family.

At 1/14/09 03:17 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 1/14/09 02:56 PM, sirtom93 wrote: On a related note, does anyone actually know when Varg will get out of prison?

7 years from now. Not counting a brief spell that he's allowed to visit his family.

Awesome. I hear he will just move to some house though, and keep out of the media's eye.

At 1/14/09 03:17 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 1/14/09 02:56 PM, sirtom93 wrote: On a related note, does anyone actually know when Varg will get out of prison?

7 years from now. Not counting a brief spell that he's allowed to visit his family.

... Or poor, insane attempts at freedom.

Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys (Keeper of the Seven Keys, Pt. 2)

At 1/14/09 05:43 AM, Nev wrote:

At 1/13/09 10:31 PM, PenisClown wrote: I dunno man, I should check these guys out, but I've been listening to more Sludgy stuff like Sleep, High on Fire, Weedeater and Bongzilla.

Then get Accept Death's self-titled and some Iron Monkey. Lest ye burn!

At 1/14/09 04:21 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: How can you even say something like this?

Cheesey Folk is poor.

The fuck your talking about? Cheesey?
They are fucking great! All bands doesn't have to sound like they came straight out of the 70's...

What's the big deal? Bands with good recording, nice riffs, great vocalists and awesome drums are not good enough for your taste.

All decent bands in any genre have good recordings, nice riffs, great vocalists and awesome drums. You don't get far without them. But sometimes you want somthing else in your music, atmosphere, anger, evilness, depression, etc.
The things you mentioned are more of a foundation to any music and don't really describe any specfic style.

I feel that these bands do have a really nice atmosphere. But anger, evilness and depression just feels emo to me. Metal doesn't have to be all about sadness...
And you don't have to scream like your getting your organs teared apart from you...
I feel that a lot of your favorite black metal vocalists are terrible...
and when I ear you "ambient black metal" fans tell me that my bands sucks... I just feel like laughing, especially when I ear songs with 2 minutes long intros... with a shitty repetitive riff...
you call this ambience? I think that's called massive failure...

And PenisClown... I will never grow to like your under-under-under-undeeeeer-underground ambient suicidal black metal stuff.

I have grown to start liking Brutal Death and some really nice Black Metal bands since I joinned this crew. But there's just a limit to what can be done...

And I do not hate Black Metal... I'm actually starting to like Xasthur... but Burzum, Mayhem and all those bands with a lot of K, L, Y, Z and N in their name are just annoying the shit out of me.

I think Equilibrium, Finsterforst and Enslaved are the best Folk Metal bands.

Listenning to right now : The World Beyond by Abigail Williams

someone say doom? I love me some doom of all kinds.

At 1/14/09 03:33 AM, PenisClown wrote: Twisted Sister is as really shit glam rock band. They suck.

I never listened to much, but I thought what I heard was alright.

STAY AWAAAAAAY
FROM CAPTAIN HOWDYYYYY

At 1/14/09 02:38 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: So, screw the last few pages, just got back from work and not bothered reading.

You're not missing much. We had yet another fag who thinks he knows more about metal than metalheads and arguing that -core shit is metal. And there was HeavenDuff being a big bleeding vagina again.

At 1/14/09 06:04 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: He doesn't have to prove it.

I agree with this. You don't owe an explanation for your taste.

Zoroaster - Bullwhip

At 1/14/09 06:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Cheesey Folk is poor.

The fuck your talking about? Cheesey?
They are fucking great! All bands doesn't have to sound like they came straight out of the 70's...

the melodies to those types of folk metal bands (not naming any names) just sound lightweight to me, kinda pale imitations of real folk music, like the soundtrack to a kids cartoon about pirates or something. no offence to your tastes, im just a snob about these things.
oh and i dunno if anyone will appreciate this but heres a couple of dark folk songs like i was on about earlier. the cruel mother - ambient version of a real old ballad, arrangement by mick harris of napalm death of all people. just focus on the lyrics and the mood, creepy as fuck. song to comus - weirdest vocals ever, and these guys inspired opeth. thatll do.

At 1/14/09 06:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: They are fucking great! All bands doesn't have to sound like they came straight out of the 70's...

Where the fuck did that argument come from? Considering with the exception of Black Sabbath's influence on Doom that I don't care for almost all 70's music that is just fucking stupid.
I'm an Avant-Garde fan for Christs sake.

I feel that these bands do have a really nice atmosphere. But anger, evilness and depression just feels emo to me. Metal doesn't have to be all about sadness...

Lol irony (seeing how you like emo Metal).
And Sadness = happiness. I'd rather get bummed out by Warning than listen to some happy radio friendly Indie band. And happy Metal just sounds false, like bottled happiness that isn't real.
And though comparing happy music to crappy bands kind of words for my argument I actually do mean it. Warning are brilliant, because they're depressing and thats what they do, and I like it. Radiohead are depressing, its what they do and I like it.

And you don't have to scream like your getting your organs teared apart from you...

Sometimes you do. I mean, James Blunt wouldn't get away with it.

I feel that a lot of your favorite black metal vocalists are terrible...

My? I like, like a handful of Black Metal bands, arguments like that make you look stupid.

and when I ear you "ambient black metal" fans tell me that my bands sucks... I just feel like laughing, especially when I ear songs with 2 minutes long intros... with a shitty repetitive riff...

HOLY FUCK! NOT A 2 MINUTE INTRO! JESUS THATS LIKE.... 100... GOD I CAN'T EVEN COUNT HOW MANY SECONDS THAT IS!

If you get out of the mindset of intros and verses then you'll realise that an "intro" is music... it just so happens to be at the start of a song. An instrumental could be one long intro if you think about it that way.
Also, Black Metal, what?

And PenisClown... I will never grow to like your under-under-under-undeeeeer-underground ambient suicidal black metal stuff.

You're like a child with your adding of things like 'suicidal' into peoples taste.
Cause suicide is bad.
And you think BM is bad.
Hilarious.

And I do not hate Black Metal... I'm actually starting to like Xasthur... but Burzum, Mayhem and all those bands with a lot of K, L, Y, Z and N in their name are just annoying the shit out of me.

I judge bands by the letters they use too.

For such a champion of the appreciation of other's opinions, you're certainly getting riled up on your hate of depressive black metal.

At 1/14/09 10:16 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: For such a champion of the appreciation of other's opinions, you're certainly getting riled up on your hate of depressive black metal.

Your mums getting championed by... depressed black metal opinions!

Alright enough of the fucking black metal and folk metal shit.

Seriously.

Who the fuck cares if you worship black metal? What's it to you if someone likes folk metal you think is shit?

Just shut up. And I couldn't care less even if you guys are joking to an extent, this is getting friggin annoying.

Don't mean to sound like a dick, but I just don't care much for drama.

I say we make a depressive black metal band named Klyzn Nzylk.

At 1/14/09 11:10 PM, AllMightyBruce wrote: I say we make a depressive black metal band named Klyzn Nzylk.

I think "In the Forgotten Woods of L'Yznk..." is a better name for a depressive black metal project.

At 1/14/09 07:07 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: You're not missing much. We had yet another fag who thinks he knows more about metal than metalheads and arguing that -core shit is metal. And there was HeavenDuff being a big bleeding vagina again.

Oh some things just never change.

Still listening to Void Of Silence, they're awesome, good find Oppugnant.

Ass Clown - Ministry

At 1/15/09 01:10 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Still listening to Void Of Silence

Ass Clown - Ministry

I'm tired of your lies. >=(

At 1/14/09 08:56 PM, mrdurgan wrote:

At 1/14/09 06:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Cheesey Folk is poor.

The fuck your talking about? Cheesey?
They are fucking great! All bands doesn't have to sound like they came straight out of the 70's...

the melodies to those types of folk metal bands (not naming any names) just sound lightweight to me, kinda pale imitations of real folk music, like the soundtrack to a kids cartoon about pirates or something. no offence to your tastes, im just a snob about these things.

lightweight? Metal doesn't have to sound depressive... even if the lyrics are not about an happy walk in the forest with friendly animals with big smiles, it doesn't h ave to be just dark.
And just listen to real viking folk music, and you'll realise that some of Equilibrium's stuff really sound like some. Even if some folk music is really dark and heavy... You just have to understand, that just like in metal, in folk music, there is a large variety of styles. And if you think kids would like this, just try making some listen to it... I doubt they will find it "lightweight"

oh and i dunno if anyone will appreciate this but heres a couple of dark folk songs like i was on about earlier. the cruel mother - ambient version of a real old ballad, arrangement by mick harris of napalm death of all people. just focus on the lyrics and the mood, creepy as fuck. song to comus - weirdest vocals ever, and these guys inspired opeth. thatll do.

the second song is pretty funny. I don't like the vocals... and THIS is lightweight.

At 1/14/09 10:11 PM, Nev wrote:

At 1/14/09 06:22 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: They are fucking great! All bands doesn't have to sound like they came straight out of the 70's...

Where the fuck did that argument come from? Considering with the exception of Black Sabbath's influence on Doom that I don't care for almost all 70's music that is just fucking stupid.
I'm an Avant-Garde fan for Christs sake.

I was just saying this because some people in here really seems to think that the older the stuff is or sounds, the better it is...
I really wasn't talking about the 70's.

I feel that these bands do have a really nice atmosphere. But anger, evilness and depression just feels emo to me. Metal doesn't have to be all about sadness...

Lol irony (seeing how you like emo Metal).

emo metal?
You should just listen to ATR or newest stuff by BFMV... and you would realise that suicidal black metal really sounds like razorblade compared to my emo metal as you said. And since when was it bad to make a song about love?

And Sadness = happiness. I'd rather get bummed out by Warning than listen to some happy radio friendly Indie band. And happy Metal just sounds false, like bottled happiness that isn't real.

Don't compare my stuff to radio music, I'm still talking about my favorite metal bands. Like Symphony X, Kalmah, Decapitated and a lot of other stuff. Without it being very sad music, it's not "happy radio friendly Indie band"
And how does it sound false? A lot of the stuff that I write is about things that help me keep on going in life when I feel depressed or just when I feel down. That's not happy metal, but it's surely not some underground school shooter's music.

And though comparing happy music to crappy bands kind of words for my argument I actually do mean it. Warning are brilliant, because they're depressing and thats what they do, and I like it. Radiohead are depressing, its what they do and I like it.

so you consider that because you like depressing music it is the best?

And you don't have to scream like your getting your organs teared apart from you...

Sometimes you do. I mean, James Blunt wouldn't get away with it.

I'll stick to the good scream vocals.

I feel that a lot of your favorite black metal vocalists are terrible...

My? I like, like a handful of Black Metal bands, arguments like that make you look stupid.

lol? Why? Show me a good black metal vocalist, and I might consider that my argument was shit. And I'm talking about real talent. Barfing you organs on a mic is not singing. Real vocalists have to work to get good at what they do.

and when I ear you "ambient black metal" fans tell me that my bands sucks... I just feel like laughing, especially when I ear songs with 2 minutes long intros... with a shitty repetitive riff...

HOLY FUCK! NOT A 2 MINUTE INTRO! JESUS THATS LIKE.... 100... GOD I CAN'T EVEN COUNT HOW MANY SECONDS THAT IS!

If you get out of the mindset of intros and verses then you'll realise that an "intro" is music... it just so happens to be at the start of a song. An instrumental could be one long intro if you think about it that way.

yes, but an intro as to bring something to the music itself. If you want to create an ambience with a dark an depressive intro, just do it. But one crappy guitar riff for 2 or 3 minutes... that's building up the atmosphere... and it then destroys it all, cause it gets boring. And I like realy long metal songs, but with progression, like Blotted Science, Symphony X or Spastic Ink can do.

Also, Black Metal, what?

And PenisClown... I will never grow to like your under-under-under-undeeeeer-underground ambient suicidal black metal stuff.

You're like a child with your adding of things like 'suicidal' into peoples taste.
Cause suicide is bad.
And you think BM is bad.
Hilarious.

No it's not bad, but if you have a fucking billion songs like this, than it's just getting fucking ridiculous. I think pop music is always the same shit... and that the problem is somehow the same with black metal... as some bands seems to have some kind of identical patern to their music.
And I don't think black metal is bad.

And I do not hate Black Metal... I'm actually starting to like Xasthur... but Burzum, Mayhem and all those bands with a lot of K, L, Y, Z and N in their name are just annoying the shit out of me.

I judge bands by the letters they use too.

lol... you fucking got the fact that I was just kiddin, right?

In fact I was talking more to PenisClown.
Cause he seems to believe that music works like a kind of natural evolution...
"At first you will like crappy music like Metallica and Megadeth, and than you will start liking some MDM like Nightrage, Arch Enemy, Children Of Bodom, Kalmah and Scar Symmetry. But someday you will realise that this is crap and you'll start listenning to better music like Brutal Death and Black Metal"

I don't think it's working that way...
Symphony X will forever be an awesome band. And Metallica is good PenisClown, they know how to write nice riffs and lyrics and add a good feeling to their music. I really do not understand why you should stop listenning to some music just because you find something else.

And Black Metal is not at the top of the ladder, it's not better or worst than any other Metal genre or sub-genre.

Listenning right now : Domination by Symphony X
thats why I took it as an example :P

As a smart person on another site posted,

"Total fluff genre. I like folk but it doesn't work with metal. It's like combining steak and ice cream. Both rule on their own but would probably make a shitty combination."

At 1/15/09 03:57 AM, AllMightyBruce wrote:

At 1/15/09 01:10 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote: Still listening to Void Of Silence

Ass Clown - Ministry

I'm tired of your lies. >=(

LOL! I meant it as in 'im still listening to them, i haven't just been all oh yeah one listen will do cool kthxbi' sort of thing.

Im having a Ministry binge tonight.

Warp City - Ministry

At 1/15/09 04:02 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

lightweight? Metal doesn't have to sound depressive... even if the lyrics are not about an happy walk in the forest with friendly animals with big smiles, it doesn't h ave to be just dark.
And just listen to real viking folk music, and you'll realise that some of Equilibrium's stuff really sound like some. Even if some folk music is really dark and heavy... You just have to understand, that just like in metal, in folk music, there is a large variety of styles. And if you think kids would like this, just try making some listen to it... I doubt they will find it "lightweight"

ach i dont mean as in depressing or happy, theres tons of happy folk and (probably) happy metal thats great. its more about a feeling of authenticity, timelesness, that small divide beteen what makes art and what makes entertainment. its not something i can describe or explain. basically im just being a pretentious snob, sorry for bashing your tastes.

At 1/14/09 11:14 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I think "In the Forgotten Woods of L'Yznk..." is a better name for a depressive black metal project.

Is it wrong that I actually think thats an ace name? I mean, it could totally be a mine in Morrowind :).

At 1/15/09 04:02 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: so you consider that because you like depressing music it is the best?

Yes. Because thats my opinion. Music is subjective. I like depressing music, therefore I think it is the best. Like Dentatus said we don't have to put 'in my opinion' before everything we say because the fact WE'RE saying it automatically makes that the case.

lol? Why? Show me a good black metal vocalist, and I might consider that my argument was shit.

Your argument is shit because you're using Black Metal as an example of how someones taste is shit (hypocrisy much?) when that person (me) doesn't like Black Metal.
And again, what makes a good vocalist is subjective. Look a Bjork for example.

lol... you fucking got the fact that I was just kiddin, right?

Of course you were... :)

And Black Metal is not at the top of the ladder, it's not better or worst than any other Metal genre or sub-genre.

To you its not.

At 1/15/09 07:54 AM, Nev wrote:

At 1/14/09 11:14 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: I think "In the Forgotten Woods of L'Yznk..." is a better name for a depressive black metal project.

Is it wrong that I actually think thats an ace name? I mean, it could totally be a mine in Morrowind :).

Haha it's a combination of In the Woods... and Forgotten Woods. FW is depressive black metal, and pretty good.