At 12/30/08 07:19 AM, Aci6 wrote: Hardcore?

Yes, hence the "core"

Confusing, a genre is a genre.

Okayyy, let's back it up then.

Metalcore is considered a subgenre of Hardcore, NOT a subgenre of Metal.

Which is why we don't talk about it here.

Other wise we may as well be called the 'Metal and Hardcore Hell'

Hey, I may think about joining this crew... I'm not much of a metal fan but it's growing on me. REALLY new to metal. (though I did go through a metalcore phase several years ago... ugh) I like a huge range of music, mostly electronica and alternative rock lol so kind of a noob here.

I like some more traditional metal like Metallica, Iron Maiden, Megadeth etc but what I've really gotten into lately is more along the lines of technical jazz/ hardcore metal I guess. (dunno much about subgenres, sorry) Bands like Cynic, Between The Buried And Me, and Protest The Hero. My favorite metal band is Between The Buried And Me. I'm a huge fan of complex music like jazz, and I love rythm, so this stuff really appeals to me. My favorite part about metal is the drumming. I've been trying to get into Meshuggah lately but it just hurts my brain (and my ears lol)

Any bands you guys would recommend based on the ones I listed above? I'm trying to open my mind to new music. I'm very very picky about vocals though, I really don't like those deep black metal growls or high squeals or whatever, I can't stand stuff like Cannibal Corpse, though I guess it's an acquired taste, no offense if you're a fan of them. And I like more melodic stuff, I prefer really fast thrashy stuff to horribly slow monotonous doom metal chugging, I never understood that. There's so much variety in metal and I'm always worried I'll piss someone off because of my opinions (pretty opinionated I guess) Plus metal fans kinda scare me sometimes XD

At 12/30/08 09:27 AM, gregaaron89 wrote:

:I've been trying to get into Meshuggah lately but it just hurts my brain (and my ears lol)

Any bands you guys would recommend based on the ones I listed above? I'm trying to open my mind to new music...

so you like complicated stuff? lots of time signature changes?
Hmm
Dillinger Escape Plan
Beneath the Massacre
Into The Moat
to name some :D

At 12/30/08 09:27 AM, gregaaron89 wrote: I'm a huge fan of complex music like jazz, and I love rythm, so this stuff really appeals to me. My favorite part about metal is the drumming.

Prog Metal shuld be up your alley.
Dream Theater (great drummer and brilliant early albums). Check out Images and Words, Awake, A Change of Seasons and Metropolis, Pt. 2: Scenes from a Memory for albums.

Symphony X (Divine Wings of Tragedy, The Odyssey)

Opeth (there are growls, but there is also amazing clean singing and the early stuff is very Jazzy. My Arms, Your Hearse is probably the best example of their earlier style whilst without being overly boring)

Death (again growls, but Chuck's aren't that that gutteral and you can understand him. I like The Sound of Perseverance but depending on who you ask the album of choice will be different, its all gold though).

Gojira (more growls, but again its not terrible. From Mars to Sirius is brilliant).

I never understood that.

It has atmosphere and energy. Its dark and evil. Its depressing. Its epic as fuck (if you're Messiah).
Its grand.

I gave Rwake a bit of a listen before. Only the first two tracks and I got cravings for Accept Death. Has anyone else listened to them?

There's so much variety in metal and I'm always worried I'll piss someone off because of my opinions (pretty opinionated I guess) Plus metal fans kinda scare me sometimes XD

Most of this thread consists of arguments so don't worry :P.
There is a diversity of taste here, whatever you like.

Hey Guys.

I'm a big powermetal fan. (GOOD Powermetal, NOT SUCKFORCE)

Bands like

Edguy, Gamma Ray, Kamalot, Masterplan, Dream Theater, Blind Guardian,Powerglove, Bloodbound, Judgement Day, Beneath the Well, Alestorm, Angra.

Anyone else like powermetal?

At 12/29/08 01:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 12/29/08 08:05 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 12/28/08 11:59 PM, PenisClown wrote: Pretty sick? Try one of the greatest bands in the world and one of the biggest inspirations in metal music since fucking Black Sabbath.

Saying something like that will only make me look forward to my Bathory CD arriving here even more,

Which album? I have the S/T debut, Blood Fire Death, and Nordland I & II. Penis, you need to get Nordland. those are fantastic albums.

I mentioned the CDs I ordered the other day. The Bathory album I've purchased is Hammerheart. It's not here yet, but what did arrive today are Elvenking's Heathenreel and Fates Warning's No Exit. :)

At 12/29/08 02:06 PM, Kronik-The-Echidna wrote: I got $85 for the holidays. I got these albums: Dio - Holy Diver, Light This City - Stormchaser and Iced Earth - Something Wicked This Way Comes.

Three great albums. :D

At 12/29/08 02:24 PM, Nev wrote:

At 12/29/08 08:05 AM, Bahamut wrote: Excellent! :) Which albums/tracks made you think that?

Eternity and Infinity.

Oh right. Eternity isn't one of my favourite tracks of theirs and I've yet to hear Infinity or the album Infinite.

At 12/30/08 09:27 AM, gregaaron89 wrote: I can't stand stuff like Cannibal Corpse, though I guess it's an acquired taste, no offense if you're a fan of them.

Don't worry, you're not the only one. I find it difficult to get into most of death metal and I can only get into the most well known Cannibal Corpse's tracks. Despite that, there's still several death metal bands I like.

At 12/30/08 10:35 AM, Rehcsleoh wrote: Anyone else like powermetal?

Several people here do such as myself. :)

Anyone else like powermetal?

In my opinion, perhaps the worst metal sub genre.

At 12/30/08 11:25 AM, sirtom93 wrote:

Anyone else like powermetal?

In my opinion, perhaps the worst metal sub genre.

I think power metal is weird, cause you either love and listen to it alot, or absolutely hate it.

At 12/28/08 07:16 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote: *sigh*

'Tis a sad day when I am listening to Metalcore out of choice rather than having it forced upon me by some shitty music channel.

finally... getting you head out of your ass...

'Tis an even sadder day when I actually like it.

wow...

I have been somewhat partial to Metalcore in the past, admitting to liking Trivium's earlier efforts and some In Flames and not finding Parkway Drive totally and utterly repulsive if only for their eccessive use of blastbeats and having been enduring indie shit all day when I first listened to them.

In Flames are Gothenburg Metal or Melodic Death... some of their more recent work sounds a little more "core", but em...

So, yeah, As I Lay Dying.

yup

I first saw them in an ad for Rockworld TV. They had the telltale signs of Metalcore; stop-start, chugga chugga riffs and a long haired vocalist utilising pseudo Death Growls as his primary singing style.

Yup, those are Metalcore growls...

My curiosity was peaked, though, as they seemed Metal enough from that 15 second long clip or so.

Listening to the title track from their latest album, An Ocean Between Us, I was pleasantly surprised. It was as Metal as Metalcore got, while still being blatantly Metalcore. The song structure was complex (enough), the vocals were good (enough), and the musicianship as a whole was not that bad.

not that bad? why can't you admit that they have fucking nice riffs, nice vocals and a nice song structure?

Although, I had one concern. The "Out of place, overly melodic chorus" as I like to call it. Breaking the flow of the otherwise aggressive song and reducing it to a pile of shit.

how are melodic chorus bad?
I like the contrast between Heavy and agressive riffs and some melodic chorus. And you could also try listenning to some melodic death and realise that they are doing exactly the same thing... well... at least some of them...

My fears were confirmed about 2 and a half minutes in.

However, I had realised something startling at this moment.

I did not care.

Save for that atrocious chorus, the song was not all that bad.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I think I may have found some Metalcore that actually appeals to me.

Should I seek professional help?

No... you just finaly realised that you can like both Metal and Metalcore.
YES !!! I said BOTH !!!
YA RLY I SAID BOTHHHH !!!

Other than this, I have been listenning to some very nice viking folk metal recently, my favorite band, Equilibrium and another one that I just discovered named Finsterforst.
Fucking awesome !!!
Nothing to do with that shitty Turisas that some of you guys seems to really like :P

At 12/30/08 11:51 AM, Rehcsleoh wrote: I think power metal is weird, cause you either love and listen to it alot, or absolutely hate it.

I'm more of a middle man, I don't hate nor love it. I listen to it pretty irregularly though.

Stuff like Edguy, Sonata Arctica and Stratovarious are among some of the bands I like.

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On another note I finally got around to checking out Novembers Doom. I start at their most recent work; The Novella Reservoir.

It's amazing, the Ultra Low and Deep sound of a Funeral Doom band played at Death Metal, albeit slowed down, speeds.

Here's the opening track for the album.

At 12/30/08 11:25 AM, sirtom93 wrote:

Anyone else like powermetal?

In my opinion, perhaps the worst metal sub genre.

Says the drone guy.

Power Metal would have to be my favourite sub genre.

At 12/30/08 12:56 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 12/30/08 11:25 AM, sirtom93 wrote:

Anyone else like powermetal?

In my opinion, perhaps the worst metal sub genre.

Says the drone guy.

Power Metal would have to be my favourite sub genre.

I like a few power metal bands, but it´s not really my thing.
I´m more of a Thrash person.

At 12/30/08 01:56 PM, DeIirium wrote:

At 12/30/08 12:56 PM, Centurion-Ryan wrote:

At 12/30/08 11:25 AM, sirtom93 wrote:

Anyone else like powermetal?

In my opinion, perhaps the worst metal sub genre.

Says the drone guy.

Power Metal would have to be my favourite sub genre.

I like a few power metal bands, but it´s not really my thing.
I´m more of a Thrash person.

I still consider that people who only stay in Power, Heavy and Thrash Metal and never go in other metal sub genres are not really metalheads.

If we were to consider all the DragonForce wannabe fans as metalheads, than we would have a fucking army of 12 years old kids running around in the Hell.

I have just been a witness of an aweful crime that is called Bring Me The Horizon.
Ouch... these fucking emos really seems to believe that they are real metal and that they know how to scream...

And here is a picture of their Master... and God...

At 12/30/08 05:17 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I have just been a witness of an aweful crime that is called Bring Me The Horizon.

Breeing me the horizon.

At 12/30/08 05:17 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I have just been a witness of an aweful crime that is called Bring Me The Horizon.
Ouch... these fucking emos really seems to believe that they are real metal and that they know how to scream...

And here is a picture of their Master... and God...

My bitch likes Bmth so I have come across them, they are pretty fail. In other news. I bought Hangman's Hymn by Sigh - fucking win of an album.

I finally got my Symphony X CD from my friends. This is pretty excellent.

At 12/30/08 06:50 PM, sirtom93 wrote: I bought Hangman's Hymn by Sigh - fucking win of an album.

Hell yeah!

At 12/30/08 10:35 AM, Rehcsleoh wrote: Anyone else like powermetal?

Aye. I've been listening to Dragonland alot lately. Brilliant stuff, check them out if you haven't already.

At 12/30/08 07:27 AM, Nev wrote:

At 12/30/08 07:19 AM, Aci6 wrote: so cool and witty for bagging on someone's musical preference.

You didn't mind when CapnCrunch said they suck.

My thoughts exactly.

At 12/30/08 05:17 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: And here is a picture of their Master... and God...

His tattoos are more fake than his shithole "music"
What a god awful band.

At 12/30/08 07:14 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote: Aye. I've been listening to Dragonland alot lately. Brilliant stuff, check them out if you haven't already.

Dragonland <3

At 12/30/08 07:58 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 12/30/08 07:14 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote: Aye. I've been listening to Dragonland alot lately. Brilliant stuff, check them out if you haven't already.

Dragonland <3

Could your musical tastes fail any more.

Dear God...

At 12/30/08 08:03 PM, sirtom93 wrote:

At 12/30/08 07:58 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 12/30/08 07:14 PM, Blackdoom13 wrote: Aye. I've been listening to Dragonland alot lately. Brilliant stuff, check them out if you haven't already.

Dragonland <3

Could your musical tastes fail any more.

Dear God...

Fuck you. You only know a tiny portion of my metal tastes.

Aarni
Acid Bath
Aes Dana
Agalloch
Agatus
Agents of Oblivion
Ahab
Angra
Arcturus
Ásmegin
Bathory
Behemoth
Blind Guardian
Blut Aus Nord
Boris
Borknagar
Burning Witch
Burzum
Dark Forest
Demilich
Devin Townsend/Devin Townsend Band
Dio
Dissection
Doomsword
Dragonland (obvs.)
Dream Theater
Earth
Electric Wizard
Eluveitie
Ensiferum
Equilibrium
Finntroll
Forgotten Woods
Gorgoroth
Heavenly
High On Fire
Immortal
In Lingua Mortua
In the Woods...
Kalmah
(The Lord Weird) Slough Feg
Mael Mórdha
Marduk
Mayhem
Ministry
Mirrorthrone
Moonsorrow
Necrophagist
Norther
The Ocean (except for the fucking vocals, terrible.)
Om
Peste Noire
Primordial
Reverend Bizarre
Rotting Christ
Rush (i consider them metal, fuck you)
Satyricon
Sigh (wait, you like Sigh, how can you say my taste fails?)
Skeletonwitch
Skyforger
Sleep
Solefald
Strapping Young Lad
Stratovarius
Striborg
Summoning
Sunn O)))
Sunn O)))/Boris
The Sword
Symphony X
Teeth of Lions Rule the Divine
Thyrfing
Toxic Holocaust
Turisas
Tyr
Ulver (crazy electronic shit included)
Vintersorg
Windir
Wintersun
Xasthur
Yearning
3 Inches of Blood

my point in this list is not to show how tr00 i am, i'm absolutely positive that tons of people in the hell have more metal than I do, and more obscure artists, and maybe even better artists.

No, my point is to show you that my taste is varied. From what I can gather, you think I'm a powerfag. Angra may be one of my favorite bands, but fuck, so is Ulver. Until now, you've had the tiniest glimpse of my tastes in music. Judging by your favorites, we have at least two good bands in common: Sunn O))) and Acid Bath.

Unlike you, I don't segregate my metal. I like all the subgenres (or nearly all), and I appreciate all of the varied bands for what they are worth.

For the record, power is excellent. And I don't give a shit what you think about Dragonland, Symphony X, or Angra.

At 12/30/08 08:20 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: For the record, power is excellent. And I don't give a shit what you think about Dragonland, Symphony X, or Angra.

Perfect time to plug Lost Horizon. You may have tried them already. If not listen to that song. My favorite power metal band by a long shot even though I don't really listen to power metal much anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdbLfLnI Hk

For the record, power is excellent. And I don't give a shit what you think about Dragonland, Symphony X, or Angra.

Ok then. Sorry for every saying what I did. How ignorant of me.

At 12/30/08 08:33 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Ok then. Sorry for every saying what I did. How ignorant of me.

No worries. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case not cool dude.

At 12/30/08 08:25 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote:

At 12/30/08 08:20 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: For the record, power is excellent. And I don't give a shit what you think about Dragonland, Symphony X, or Angra.

Perfect time to plug Lost Horizon. You may have tried them already. If not listen to that song. My favorite power metal band by a long shot even though I don't really listen to power metal much anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYdbLfLnI Hk

Lost Horizon is amazing. Highlander (The One) is the best power metal song ever IMO.

Kidd, I listened to Ram-Zet, I loved them, thanks for the rec man.

At 12/30/08 08:36 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 12/30/08 08:33 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Ok then. Sorry for every saying what I did. How ignorant of me.

No worries. Unless you're being sarcastic, in which case not cool dude.

Nah I seriously am not being sarcastic. I realize how much of a douche I must have sounded saying that a certain genre is shit.

At 12/30/08 04:19 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I still consider that people who only stay in Power, Heavy and Thrash Metal and never go in other metal sub genres are not really metalheads.
If we were to consider all the DragonForce wannabe fans as metalheads, than we would have a fucking army of 12 years old kids running around in the Hell.

What you've done there is you've taken a band that have a lot of following due to a video game and deceitful studio albums and discredited the entire genre that they fall within. And then thrown in other popular bands like Metallica and Iron Maiden (I assume they were in your mind).
For a start, Thrash fans not being Metalheads is insane. Ever listened to a German Thrash band? And seen the people who listen to Thrash? Way more Metal than some skinny pretencious twat who listens to Avant-Garde Metal (theres gotta be a few in existence).

And Power Metal + Heavy Metal = Manowar.
'Nuff said.

At 12/30/08 08:20 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Fuck you. You only know a tiny portion of my metal tastes.

What a load of shit :P.

I never even knew you listened to Power Metal. I've always associated you with Droney/Doomy/Sludgey and other stuff besides Power.

At 12/30/08 10:05 AM, Nev wrote:

I gave Rwake a bit of a listen before. Only the first two tracks and I got cravings for Accept Death. Has anyone else listened to them?

aye, some good sludge. i should try listen to more of that experimental/proggy side of sludge a bit more, so far ive been more into shit like EHG, grief and noothgrush, yknow more doomy riff based bands

At 12/30/08 08:53 PM, mrdurgan wrote: aye, some good sludge. i should try listen to more of that experimental/proggy side of sludge a bit more, so far ive been more into shit like EHG, grief and noothgrush, yknow more doomy riff based bands

Not got any of them, I'll have to see if my bands other guitarist can hook me up when I'm back in Hudd.
I believe thats the style our singer wants, slower and more evil than anything.

At 12/30/08 09:00 PM, Nev wrote:

At 12/30/08 08:53 PM, mrdurgan wrote: aye, some good sludge. i should try listen to more of that experimental/proggy side of sludge a bit more, so far ive been more into shit like EHG, grief and noothgrush, yknow more doomy riff based bands

Not got any of them, I'll have to see if my bands other guitarist can hook me up when I'm back in Hudd.
I believe thats the style our singer wants, slower and more evil than anything.

nice one. keep me updated with your band by the way, i go down to 'the hudd' to visit family n that every now & then, if youve got any gigs on in the summer itd be good to go see.