At 5/28/08 11:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: If you can find anything they copied or anything they sound like, than maybe that would bring more to the table.
They are popular, yet they are not un-original.

Panic! at the Disco
The Academy Is...
Cobra Starship

I would say they all sound pretty similar although my knowledge and research on them is pretty weak, and i suppose to an extent you could include blink 182 in there as fall out boy seem to be the evolution of blink's music imo

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/28/08 05:31 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: way too much Melodic Death Metal and Thrash Metal influences

Double kicks and growling does not = death metal or thrash metal influences.

by what are they influenced then?...

Hardcore punk/hardcore/scene and nu-metal.

At 5/28/08 10:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I like the fact that they are not just following the mainstream music

I just saw this and nearly cried. If debating about this sort of stuff was a class i could take in school, i would be top of the class.

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: Also guys, here's my entire metal music album collection, so you guys may understand that I'm not some random emo who's trying to make his in way into metal.

I know you took back Slipknot so I won't count them.

All That Remains - This Darkened Heart
All That Remains - The Fall Of Ideals
As I Lay Dying - A Long March: The First Recordings
As I Lay Dying - An Ocean Between Us
Avenged Sevenfold - City Of Evil
Bullet For My Valentine - The Poison
Bullet For My Valentine - Scream Aim Fire
Despised Icon - The Ills Of Modern Man
Disturbed - Ten Thousand Fists
Ill Niño - Revolution Revolucion
System Of A Down - Toxicity
System Of A Down - Mezmerize
System Of A Down - Hypnotize
Through The Eyes Of The Dead - Bloodlust
Trivium - Ascendancy

All Metal/Deathcore and Nu-Metal. In other words, NOT METAL.

The reason why I am stating this, is because lots of you guys doesn't seem to make the difference between metalcore and emocore or screamo.

They all go hand-in-hand.
Just like Technical Death Metal, Brutal Death Metal and Death Metal all go together.
Same thing with tiny differences.

I don't like bands with fag haircuts and shitty lyrics,

Hypocrisy! Most of those bands have fag hair cuts and utter shite lyrics.

I also really hate it when good bands like Avenged Sevenfold let themselves slip in emo fashion, because you guys can't deny that they have at least a few nice songs.

I hate every single A7X song. They annoy me immensely. I am yet to hear one that doesn't make me want to kill myself.

So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

How about don't talk about Metalcore here at all and avoid stupid arguments. Period.

It's pointless because nobody here likes Metalcore nor does anyone here consider it Metal.

Uhh, I'm gonna avoid most of the arguments here, ok?

At 5/28/08 10:55 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote: You mean that EP of theirs or Twat Heafy's side project?

This?

Oh. I've not heard of Mindscar before, but I was more referring to Capharnaum, another band Heafy was in.

At 5/28/08 03:19 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote: You mean that EP of theirs or Twat Heafy's side project?

I mean the EP.

Not heard the EP, but really, if it's just the EP that's metal, they still shouldn't count on Metal-Archives, unless they're only there to be made fun of by the reviewers.

At 5/28/08 04:03 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote: picture

Heafy wearing a Mayhem shirt. Heh.

At 5/28/08 11:09 PM, Nev wrote: And whats original about FOB? Pretencious song titles?

Don't they also have song titles relating to MySpace?

Wow, I sure do love Lordi.

"Lordi-110 listens"
The second highest is DragonForce with 36 listens.

:O

Voxphile is in.

At 5/29/08 12:22 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Voxphile is in.

:D Well, that's a victory.

At 5/29/08 01:23 PM, Voxphile wrote:

At 5/29/08 12:22 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Voxphile is in.

D Well, that's a victory.

A song, to welcome you!

At 5/29/08 02:51 AM, Charon wrote:

At 5/28/08 11:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: If you can find anything they copied or anything they sound like, than maybe that would bring more to the table.
They are popular, yet they are not un-original.

Panic! at the Disco
The Academy Is...
Cobra Starship

I lost a bet last week because I was absolutely certain. CERTAIN! That a song I heard in a club was by Fall Out Boy. I even saw Patrick Stump singing this song (or at least thought I did).
Turns out it was Head Automatica.

Now I have a good ear for detecting bands sounds and vocalists styles. So I was shocked.
So add them to the list :).

At 5/29/08 02:51 AM, Charon wrote:
Panic! at the Disco
The Academy Is...
Cobra Starship

Boys Like Girls
Cartel
Cute is What We Aim For
The Donnas
Good Charlotte
Hit The Lights
Motion City Soundtrack
Paramore (albeit with a female vocalist)
Plain White T's (ugh)

you guys listen to black metal?

At 5/29/08 08:57 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: you guys listen to black metal?

Some of us do. Some of us don't.

can i join?
heres a list of the bands i got on my ipod...

(* = seen live)
(! = Bands I like the most)
(I still like all the other bands with no '!')

Abruptum !
Absu
AC/DC
Alice Cooper !
Amnion !
Amon Amarth !
Arch Enemy* !
Arcturus !
Anthelion !
At The Gates
Augury
Bal-Sagoth !
Baptism
Bathory !
Beastcraft
Behemoth*!
Behexen
Belphegor
Black Sabbath
Blind Guardian
Blinded By Faith
Bloodbath
Blue Oyster Cult !
Burzum !
Carpathian Forest !
Chaoswolf
Cheap Trick
Children of Bodom
Chimaira
Chthonic*!
Cradle of Filth*!
Cream
Darkane
Dark Funeral
Darkthrone!
Dead Kennedys
Death
Deep Purple
Deathklok
Devo
Dimmu Borgir*!
Dodsferd!
Donald Fagen
Don Felder!
Eikind
Egypt Curse
Emperor!
Ensiferum!
Fear of Eternity
Finntroll
Foghat
Folkearth
Forsth!
Funeral Dust
Gorgoroth
Grand Funk Railroad
Graveland!
Guns n' Roses
Hearth
Heia
Hipocrisy!
Immortal!
In Flames
Iron Maiden!
Joan Jett
Journey
Judas Iscariot
Judas Priest !
Kiss!
Korn
Kreator
Krieg!
Limbonic Art
Mael Mordha
Marduk!
Martyr
Mayhem !!!
Megadeth
Metallica
Monarque
Moonblood!
Naglfar!
Nargaroth!
Nazareth
Necrophagist
Neverdead!
Ogmios!
Old Man's Child!
Opeth!
Pink Floyd
Primus
Profanatica!
Quo Vadis
Regnum
Riggs
Sacrilegious Impalement!!
Sad!
Sammy Hagar !
Satanic Warmaster
Satanail
Satyricon !
Scorched
Scorpions
Seigneur Voland
Slayer
Svartkraft
Szron
Tenacious D
The Doors !
The Rolling Stones !
The Whites Stripes
The Who
Twisted Sister
Van Halen !
Venom !
Weltkrieg
Wodulf
ZZ Top

At 5/29/08 09:48 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: can i join?
heres a list of the bands i got on my ipod...

(* = seen live)
(! = Bands I like the most)
(I still like all the other bands with no '!')

Behemoth*!

Lucky! I wanna see Behemoth live!

At 5/29/08 09:48 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: heres a list of the bands i got on my ipod...

I know i'm coming on a little strong, but can I marry you?

or at least your music taste

At 5/29/08 08:57 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: you guys listen to black metal?

I do, depending on what kind.

At 5/29/08 09:48 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: can i join?

You're in.

At 5/29/08 10:09 PM, hhcash wrote:

At 5/29/08 09:48 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: can i join?
heres a list of the bands i got on my ipod...

(* = seen live)
(! = Bands I like the most)
(I still like all the other bands with no '!')

Behemoth*!

Lucky! I wanna see Behemoth live!

they were only invited to a Dimmu Borgir show with Keep of Kalessin, but they played like 10 songs or more. this show was fucking awesome

At 5/29/08 10:14 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/29/08 09:48 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: heres a list of the bands i got on my ipod...

I know i'm coming on a little strong, but can I marry you?

or at least your music taste

If you like my music taste, you got to listen to sacrilegious impalement! they're from finland and only have 1 CD and 1 demo (I think) but they are really good.
--»»heres some videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TaZj12ah 1E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBFYTFO1D KM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPoGxpHoW A0&feature=related

At 5/29/08 10:45 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: If you like my music taste, you got to listen to sacrilegious impalement!

I dig it! Where'd you hear about them?

What do you guys think about the black metal scene? I don't listen to black metal a lot because nowadays it's mostly full of posers and it never really appealed to me, but some bands have technology that makes their recordings sound really crappy quality wise just to sound hardcore. That's terrible.

At 5/29/08 11:17 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: What do you guys think about the black metal scene?

Real black metal is a-ok. I listen to Marduk as we speak.

I don't listen to black metal a lot because nowadays it's mostly full of posers and it never really appealed to me, but some bands have technology that makes their recordings sound really crappy quality wise just to sound hardcore. That's terrible.

psh, technology. Put a sock over the mic, that's how real people do it.

At 5/29/08 10:54 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/29/08 10:45 PM, IAmTheBlackWizards wrote: If you like my music taste, you got to listen to sacrilegious impalement!

I dig it! Where'd you hear about them?

on brutalblacker.blogspot.com . there are full of good black metal cd there.

At 5/29/08 11:17 PM, CapnCrunchDaPimp wrote: What do you guys think about the black metal scene? I don't listen to black metal a lot because nowadays it's mostly full of posers and it never really appealed to me, but some bands have technology that makes their recordings sound really crappy quality wise just to sound hardcore. That's terrible.

I know. the best black metal songs are from the 90's.

At 5/29/08 02:51 AM, Charon wrote:

At 5/28/08 11:45 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: If you can find anything they copied or anything they sound like, than maybe that would bring more to the table.
They are popular, yet they are not un-original.

Panic! at the Disco

like Metallica and Megadeth are similar, thats not copying

The Academy Is...

Don't know em pretty much.

Cobra Starship

The singer of Fall Out Boy works with em, so that may be a good reason why they can sound alike...

I would say they all sound pretty similar although my knowledge and research on them is pretty weak, and i suppose to an extent you could include blink 182 in there as fall out boy seem to be the evolution of blink's music imo

lol, I really don't think so... blink 182 ?

At 5/29/08 05:05 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/28/08 05:31 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: way too much Melodic Death Metal and Thrash Metal influences

Double kicks and growling does not = death metal or thrash metal influences.

by what are they influenced then?...

Hardcore punk/hardcore/scene and nu-metal.

I really don't see it like that.
Trivium is a band that is known for liking Metallica a lot, As you may know they have made a cover for Master Of Puppets.
Also... I hate punk, hardcore and I just like a few nu-metal bands, but I love metalcore music just like I love power, melodic death, death, thrash and prog...

At 5/29/08 05:07 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

I like the fact that they are not just following the mainstream music

I just saw this and nearly cried. If debating about this sort of stuff was a class i could take in school, i would be top of the class.

Why can't you respect other people's opinions?
I remember you sending me e-mails to tell me how cool my metal music tastes were awesome.
But now that you don't share opinion with me you got to act like a dick... thanks a lot

At 5/29/08 05:19 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

All Metal/Deathcore and Nu-Metal. In other words, NOT METAL.

Because you said so?
hahaha

The reason why I am stating this, is because lots of you guys doesn't seem to make the difference between metalcore and emocore or screamo.

They all go hand-in-hand.
Just like Technical Death Metal, Brutal Death Metal and Death Metal all go together.

Absolutely fucking not, you just can't get the differences. There is a big fucking huge difference between technical death metal and brutal death metal. And emocore isn't in anyway similar to metalcore

Same thing with tiny differences.

no

I don't like bands with fag haircuts and shitty lyrics,

Hypocrisy! Most of those bands have fag hair cuts and utter shite lyrics.

Omg... if the singer of Decapitated changed haircut would you stop listenning to them?
and also, I like their shite lyrics better than those random shit cannibal corpse keeps writting.

I also really hate it when good bands like Avenged Sevenfold let themselves slip in emo fashion, because you guys can't deny that they have at least a few nice songs.

I hate every single A7X song. They annoy me immensely. I am yet to hear one that doesn't make me want to kill myself.

listen to the drums in Almost Easy by A7X.

So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

How about don't talk about Metalcore here at all and avoid stupid arguments. Period.

You just can't stand the fact that I don't share opinions with you. Argue is needed in everything to help people make themselves good opinions, thats just the way democracy is working.

It's pointless because nobody here likes Metalcore nor does anyone here consider it Metal.

Yeah, and majority isn't always right, and I know other people really like metalcore on Newgrounds, but they all left the Metal Hell because of your random bashing on them.

Sooooo

Sooooo

The reason why I consider bands like All That Remains to be metal (and some people in here have accepted ATR as being metal, so don't use the "nobody thinks it's metal" argument, cause it's just not an argument). I also have lots of friends who like metal and metalcore.

And just like 95% of the people in here you have not been able to bring any good point to the debate.
Insults and shitty comparisons have been the core of all you said to me.

The fact that I consider metalcore to be metal is that you got to understand that everykind of music as to evolve. Just like a lot of Black Sabbath fans have been saying that bands like CoB, Dark Tranquillity or Arch Enemy are not metal, you guys are complainning about metalcore because it's a new kind of metal and you just can't accept it because it doesn't sound like typical death or black metal. Generations are a problem here, everybody always have to despise the next generation because they just can't understand it.

Also, you have to admit that power metal, basicaly was influenced by heavy metal.
The main argument you guys are using is "Metalcore is influenced by metal, but isn't metal."
But you just can't support that argument... cause basicaly, a band before becoming metal has to be influenced by it... so every metal band have been influenced by something else...
And don't tell me metalcore is influenced ALL by hardcore, it's just a fucking lie right there.
Don't tell me All That Remains is hardcore, its deathcore...

But as you told me... you don't want to argue on it anymore, so thats the last time I'll be talking about metalcore here if you don't want to fight on it anymore If you still want to discuss it respectfuly, I'm always up for a good little discussion right here.
I hope I didn't insult you in that post, I may have been rude, but I didn't meant to insult anyone.
But if you really just think that you can't change your mind on it... than it's pointless that we keep talking about it.

So... I'll just start a new thing.

I just bought "The Scarecrow" by Tobias Sammet's Avantasia, do you guys like that kind of music?

At 5/29/08 11:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Panic! at the Disco

like Metallica and Megadeth are similar, thats not copying

We never said they were copying, they are just similar. You asked for bands that were similar.

At 5/30/08 12:46 AM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/29/08 11:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Panic! at the Disco

like Metallica and Megadeth are similar, thats not copying

We never said they were copying, they are just similar. You asked for bands that were similar.

alright, my bad.

So, what about Avantasia?
And did anybody heard the demo of Threat Signal ?
If you want to ear it, it's Beyond Recognition, on the music player in the top right corner of the main page :)

My opinions: This metalcore debate is fucking gay. Cut it out, nobody really gives a shit either way. If metalcore was to be discussed in here THERE WOULD NOT BE A METALCORE THREAD BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE A NEED FOR ONE. Thusly, either side is entitled to its own opinion, I don't care either way. But the back and forth is goddamn annoying, just PM it.

Second, about black metal - plenty of good black metal has come out this decade, especially this late into it. The classics came out in the 90s, but its a bit naive to think some excellent albums haven't come out recently. They just aren't as traditional - I'd certainly agree the best straight black metal was probably the 90s, with the exception of maybe Keep of Kalessin (but I do really like those guys). Its had a chance to evolve since then, thusly it has diversified - if that's what you're into. I like the music, but I don't always dig the scene - kvlt is over-rated. Who gives a shit if it was made by a 15 year old in Norway in his haunted forest using an old abused mic with a 4-track recorder? If its good, its good - take Emperor or Immortal or Darkthrone or old Satyricon etc etc etc - great bands that are relatively popular are still great IMO. Some of that stuff is silly.

Also, welcome to the new members - Sensey keeps beating me to the approvals.

Sensey - I got your message, sorry I was AFK - wasn't ignoring you.

At 5/29/08 11:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I just bought "The Scarecrow" by Tobias Sammet's Avantasia, do you guys like that kind of music?

*Avoids all the arguments*

Is it any good? I love the two Metal Operas but I heard the new one was a lot worse.

I've been away for a long time now, first we had a class trip, then my computer died. I'll be posting more frequently from now on.

At 5/29/08 11:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/29/08 05:19 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

All Metal/Deathcore and Nu-Metal. In other words, NOT METAL.

Because you said so?
hahaha

Because that's what they are...
You think I'm the only one who thinks so?

What and they are Metal because YOU say so?
Get real.

The reason why I am stating this, is because lots of you guys doesn't seem to make the difference between metalcore and emocore or screamo.

They all go hand-in-hand.
Just like Technical Death Metal, Brutal Death Metal and Death Metal all go together.

Absolutely fucking not, you just can't get the differences. There is a big fucking huge difference between technical death metal and brutal death metal. And emocore isn't in anyway similar to metalcore

Are you fucking serious? The differences are small. Small enough for them to go together very well.

Brutal Death

Tech Death

Same thing with tiny differences.

no

Yes.

I don't like bands with fag haircuts and shitty lyrics,

Hypocrisy! Most of those bands have fag hair cuts and utter shite lyrics.

Omg... if the singer of Decapitated changed haircut would you stop listenning to them?
and also, I like their shite lyrics better than those random shit cannibal corpse keeps writting.

What the fuck? That's not even relating to what I just said.
You said you didn't like band with fag hair cuts, you disproved yourself with you list of Metalcore bands WITH fag haircuts.

Also Cannibal Corpse have more skill than any of the shitty bands I pointed out.

I also really hate it when good bands like Avenged Sevenfold let themselves slip in emo fashion, because you guys can't deny that they have at least a few nice songs.

I hate every single A7X song. They annoy me immensely. I am yet to hear one that doesn't make me want to kill myself.

listen to the drums in Almost Easy by A7X.

What part of "Every song" didn't you understand? Just because they have some skill doesn't make them good.

So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

How about don't talk about Metalcore here at all and avoid stupid arguments. Period.

You just can't stand the fact that I don't share opinions with you. Argue is needed in everything to help people make themselves good opinions, thats just the way democracy is working.

I could care less what your opinion is. Because opions are just that. Not factual.
So you can say that *band* is Metal all you want.

It's pointless because nobody here likes Metalcore nor does anyone here consider it Metal.

Yeah, and majority isn't always right, and I know other people really like metalcore on Newgrounds, but they all left the Metal Hell because of your random bashing on them.

Yeah they formed the Nu-Metal/Metalcore Crew. how about go go rant about Metalcore there instead of coming here and crying about how we don't accept it.

Sooooo

Sooooo

The reason why I consider bands like All That Remains to be metal (and some people in here have accepted ATR as being metal, so don't use the "nobody thinks it's metal" argument, cause it's just not an argument). I also have lots of friends who like metal and metalcore.

So what was your reason again? You went of to say your friends like ATR too.

And just like 95% of the people in here you have not been able to bring any good point to the debate.
Insults and shitty comparisons have been the core of all you said to me.

Hahaha, ha funny. Because that's all you've done.

The fact that I consider metalcore to be metal is that you got to understand that everykind of music as to evolve. Just like a lot of Black Sabbath fans have been saying that bands like CoB, Dark Tranquillity or Arch Enemy are not metal,

Never heard of this before.

you guys are complainning about metalcore because it's a new kind of metal and you just can't accept it because it doesn't sound like typical death or black metal. Generations are a problem here, everybody always have to despise the next generation because they just can't understand it.

There are loads of New Generation Genre's of Metal Avant-Garde Metal and Folk Metal are about as old as Metalcore, yet they are more metal then Metalcore will ever be.

Also, you have to admit that power metal, basicaly was influenced by heavy metal.
The main argument you guys are using is "Metalcore is influenced by metal, but isn't metal."

And Hardcore Punk. What did you think they added the 'core' for fun?
Metalcore is more 'core' than Metal 90% of the time.

THAT'S why we don't accept it as metal.

But you just can't support that argument... cause basicaly, a band before becoming metal has to be influenced by it... so every metal band have been influenced by something else...
And don't tell me metalcore is influenced ALL by hardcore, it's just a fucking lie right there.
Don't tell me All That Remains is hardcore, its deathcore...

It's nothing like Deathcore. At all. This, is Deathcore.

But as you told me... you don't want to argue on it anymore, so thats the last time I'll be talking about metalcore here if you don't want to fight on it anymore If you still want to discuss it respectfuly, I'm always up for a good little discussion right here.

Thanks you. I think i speak for everyone here that we are grateful you have taken this course of action.

I hope I didn't insult you in that post, I may have been rude, but I didn't meant to insult anyone.
But if you really just think that you can't change your mind on it... than it's pointless that we keep talking about it.

Likewise.

David Allan Coe = epic metal/awesome truck driving music.

At 5/29/08 11:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: lol, I really don't think so... blink 182 ?

well think of it as a step on the pop punk/rock/whatever path that FOB then continued further down, when i first saw a FOB video i thought the lead singer was the guy from blink

At 5/29/08 11:52 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I just bought "The Scarecrow" by Tobias Sammet's Avantasia, do you guys like that kind of music?

i like this kind of music but i hate Sammet's voice, i used to be a fan of edguy but i went off them over time as his voice grated on me more and more til i eventually deleted their disco' that i had. i may check out Avantasia properly at some point but if its "Tobias Sammet's Avantasia" then i can see myself getting pissed off with it