I'm liking Mammatus. Thanks for the recommendation, mrdurgan.

At 5/28/08 06:31 PM, Nev wrote: There is only so much you can do the notes you're given.

That's understandable.

If they build an entire career out of theft, obviously, its wrong

Yes, definitely.

At 5/28/08 03:35 PM, Franklin-Moore wrote: All That Remains' The Fall of Ideals is a fucking great album!

lol, GH bonus song music
Are they that good anyway?

At 5/28/08 09:46 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: metalcore

I just want to say, I don't have much tolerance for Metalcore and there are a few hardcore punk bands that I like. The shitty bits of metalcore I don't relate much to hardcore punk like the Exploited. They don't have gay breakdowns and 'chugga chugga' Mudvayne riffs. Metalcore is nu-metal influenced a lot too; I reckon they get their angst from there rather than harcore punk.

Although of course there is 'hardcore' like Throwdown who are totally Metalcore and don't sound anything like the Exploited to me. There are even bands like Send More Paramedics who are like a metal hardcore and they're awesome too and don't sound like Trivium.

I think Metalcore is a funny genre; I like metal, I like hardcore punk, but I don't like Mudvayne, and Metalcore is too Mudvayne.

PS Machine Head are thrash metal for metalcore fans

despite that loads of my friends love them

they're all metalcore fans too

Let's call off the metalcore debate, it's not really going anywhere, nor will it ever. We're all about as stubborn in our opinions as Flat Earth Theorists.

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: yes... and thats the problem of the metal hell in general... the lack of respect in here is awesome

Apologizing for being rude = lack of respect? I was trying to be respectful, i was in a piss-poor mood and about to explode on people. Which I did for most of the day.

The thing is... that in your opinion he beated me, but thats just because you share opinions with him.

The thing is, I stated that "beat" was a poor choice of words and not what I meant to convey. And it's not because I share opinions, it was because he answered all your questions. I remember.

The fact that I want to include metalcore in metal, is that there is something like 100 subgenders of metal music, and if Power Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal and Folk Metal can be considered all metal, than metalcore, in my mind should be a part of it. I know you guys don't like the fact that there is some emocore stuff in metalcore, but if any of you would listen to the new album of Bullet For My Valentine, you would realise that there is way too much Melodic Death Metal and Thrash Metal influences for it to be left out of metal bands list... but anyway, I don't want to have another fight with 90% of the crew...

I'm not gonna respond to this bit because we've all been over it many a time.

so if you... Mister D3NTATUS, have anything else to say about it, then feel free to do so. But I seriously don't want to ear angry underground metalhead's complainnings.

That was unnecessarily rude, coming from someone who just stated that lack of respect in the hell is a major problem.

At 5/28/08 04:03 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote: When I see something unintentionally funny I'll make fun of it ... sort of like an Uwe Boll flick. It's about the opposite of crying to ridicule Slipknot or Trivium. They do it to themselves.

God damn them and their Mayhem shirt and mis-use of the horns.

On the subject of metal, has anyone heard of Skyforger? They're pretty good folk metal. Not the best, but good. I discovered them way back in November when someone was talking about Skyclad and I accidentally checked out Skyforger instead.

They have an entire album of Latvian folk music (latvia is their homeland) and it's fantastic.

forgive double post

At 5/28/08 09:25 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: On the subject of metal, has anyone heard of Skyforger?

I have their album Thunderforge.

At 5/28/08 09:31 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:25 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: On the subject of metal, has anyone heard of Skyforger?

I have their album Thunderforge.

I see your Thunderforge and I raise you Zobena Dziesma.

No pics, you'll just have to take my word.

At 5/28/08 05:18 AM, Charon wrote:

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Anyway, I would like to know on what album is the song Victoria Secrets by Sonata Actica, cause it's fucking sweet !!!
I just bought one of their first album, Ecliptica and it's awesome, anybody else have it?

Victoria's Secret is on winter hearts guild (my favourite album of theres) and Ecliptica is fucking amazing, i would seriously recommend their entire disco' :P

Oh, I will buy the whole collection someday :)

Can we consider Images And Words by Dream Theater to be a Metal album? Cause it's really just a progressive album.

That is just one album though, like origin by borknagar which is all acoustic, however it doesnt change the fact that they are metal.

I know they are metal, I was just wondering if this specific album was considered metal.

and on the metalcore debate, everytime i hear a metalcore song all i think of is this, i havent heard a single metalcore band that i havent thought as trying too hard to be br000ta1

OMFG !!! Thats not metalcore... thats screamo !!! I'm shitting on that band !!!

At 5/28/08 05:31 AM, SpeedMetalSandwich wrote:

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: way too much Melodic Death Metal and Thrash Metal influences

Double kicks and growling does not = death metal or thrash metal influences.

by what are they influenced then?...

At 5/28/08 09:46 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote:

At 5/27/08 03:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

there is the word METAL in METALcore... so you fail, and your opinions and tastes in music won't make it change. I really am sorry about the fact that black metal is considered metal... but it is... so accept the fact that metalcore is way more Metal than Hardcore.
and this is final.

Metalcore isn't metal for the very reason that the hardcore influences are more noticeable than the Metal influences, Groovy riffs, Breakdowns, that annoying Scream vocal, and the whole "Hardcore dancing" in the crowds.

Listen to this.

that is not metalcore... thats screamo, even the name of the video tells you its emo...

is it more of this.

absolutely not like this

or this?

absolutely not like this either.

No, Okay, that just proves that they don't get their influence from Death metal.
Thrash metal?
No.

Megadeth is one of my favorite band. Don't try giving me lessons on thrash metal.

Power/Black/Doom/Goth/Melodeath/Folk?

Metalcore is not metal, It's just Hardcore by some faggots that have listened to too much Nu pantera, Metallica, At the Gates(which already had some hardcore in it), And pathetically failed at trying to put the aspects of those bands into their music.

I'll give you my examples of the metalcore bands I like:
first one
second one
third one (in the original version there is more scream, but they have two versions)

Also guys, here's my entire metal music album collection, so you guys may understand that I'm not some random emo who's trying to make his in way into metal.

Adagio - Dominate
All That Remains - This Darkened Heart
All That Remains - The Fall Of Ideals
Arch Enemy - Anthems of Rebellion
Arch Enemy - Doomsday Machine
Arch Enemy - Rise Of The Tyrant
As I Lay Dying - A Long March: The First Recordings
As I Lay Dying - An Ocean Between Us
Avenged Sevenfold - City Of Evil
Bullet For My Valentine - The Poison
Bullet For My Valentine - Scream Aim Fire
Cellador - Enter Deception
Children of Bodom - Something Wild
Children of Bodom - Hatebreeder
Children of Bodom - Follow The Reaper
Children of Bodom - Hate Crew Deathroll
Children of Bodom - Are You Dead Yet?
Children of Bodom - Blooddrunk
Dark Tranquillity - Damage Done
Decapitated - Winds Of Creation
Decapitated - The Negation
Devildriver - Devildriver
Despised Icon - The Ills Of Modern Man
Disturbed - Ten Thousand Fists
DragonForce - Valley Of The Damned
DragonForce - Sonic Firestorm
DragonForce - Inhuman Rampage
Dream Theater - Images And Words
Dream Theater - Train Of Thought
Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
Edguy - Kingdom Of Madness
Edguy - Theater Of Salvation
Edguy - Mandrake
Edguy - Hellfire Club
Edguy - Rocket Ride
Eidolon - The Parallel Otherworld
Elvenking - The Winter Wake
Falconer - Falconer
Gamma Ray - Blast From The Past
Gamma Ray - No World Order
Gamma Ray - Somewhere Out In Space
Gamma Ray - Majestic
Hammerfall - Crimson Thunder
Hammerfall - Chapter V: Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken
Ill Niño - Revolution Revolucion
In Flames - Clayman
In Flames - Colony
In Flames - Come Clarity
Iron Maiden - The Number Of The Beast
Iron Maiden - Piece Of Mind
Iron Maiden - Powerslave
Iron Maiden - Fear Of The Dark
Iron Maiden - Brave New World
Jacobs Dream - Drama Of The Ages
Kalmah - Swamplord
Kalmah - Swampsong
Kalmah - They Will Return
Kamelot - The Black Halo
King Diamond - Give Me Your Soul...Please
Kreator - Enemy Of God
Lamb Of God - Ashes Of The Wake
Mägo De Oz - La bruja
Mägo De Oz - Finisterra
Mägo De Oz - Folktergeist
Mägo De Oz - Gaia
Mägo De Oz - Jesus De Chamberí
Mägo De Oz - La Leyenda De La Mancha
Megadeth - Countdown to Extinction
Megadeth - Cryptic Writings
Megadeth - Peace Sells... But Who's Buying?
Megadeth - Risk
Megadeth - Rust in Peace
Megadeth - So Far, So Good...So What!
Megadeth - The System Has Failed
Megadeth - The World Needs A Hero
Megadeth - United Abominations
Megadeth - Youthanasia
Metallica - ...And Justice For All
Metallica - Kill 'Em All
Metallica - Master Of Puppets
Metallica - Mettalica
Metallica - Ride The Lightning
Metallica - St. Anger
Nevermore - This Godless Endeavor
Nightrage - A New Disease Is Born
Nightwish - Oceanborn
Nightwish - Wishmaster
Nightwish - Once
Nightwish - Dark Passion Play
Profugus Mortis - So It Begins
Quo Vadis - Day into Night
Quo Vadis - Forever
Scar Symmetry - Pitch Black Progress
Sinergy - Suicide By My Side
Slipknot - Slipknot
Slipknot - Iowa
Slipknot - Vol. 3: The Subliminal Verse
Slipknot - 9.0: Live (never buy that shit)
Soilwork - Figure Number Five
Soilwork - Natural Born Chaos
Soilwork - Stabbing The Drama
Soilwork - Sworn To A Great Divide
Sonata Arctica - Ecliptica
Sonata Arctica - Reckoning Night
Stratovarius - Infinite
Stratovarius - Intermission
Symphony X - Paradise Lost
System Of A Down - Toxicity
System Of A Down - Mezmerize
System Of A Down - Hypnotize
The Agonist - Once Only Imagined
Threat Signal - Under Reprisal
Through The Eyes Of The Dead - Bloodlust
Trivium - Ascendancy

The reason why I am stating this, is because lots of you guys doesn't seem to make the difference between metalcore and emocore or screamo. I don't like bands with fag haircuts and shitty lyrics, I also really hate it when good bands like Avenged Sevenfold let themselves slip in emo fashion, because you guys can't deny that they have at least a few nice songs.
So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

oops, sorry double-post.

I didn't meant to put Slipknot in the list, I know it's more hardcore than metal.

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I know they are metal, I was just wondering if this specific album was considered metal.

Why wouldn't it be?

So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

The girl looks out of place.

At 5/28/08 10:01 PM, Nev wrote:

So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

The girl looks out of place.

That's a woman?

At 5/28/08 10:04 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: That's a woman?

60% certain.
But I'm now more fascinated by the blatant homosexual on the left. I think thats why the one next to him looks so frightened.

At 5/28/08 10:01 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:55 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I know they are metal, I was just wondering if this specific album was considered metal.

Why wouldn't it be?

I don't know... maybe this song is just on the limit between Prog rock and Prog metal.

So maybe next time I'll talk about metalcore, consider the fact that I am talking about this kind of metalcore, and not the gay one with fag haircuts.

The girl looks out of place.

Is this better?

At 5/28/08 10:01 PM, Nev wrote: The girl looks out of place.

Agreed. She looks like she works in a cubicle.

At 5/28/08 10:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I don't know... maybe this song is just on the limit between Prog rock and Prog metal.

The production on the album isn't as heavy and distorted as other stuff by them. Its quite light and crisp if you will. But then again, this was early Prog Metal.
But the style is definately Metal. Its all classic DT forumla.
And the drums = total Metalness.

Is this better?

She looks like she should be in Fall Out Boy... with a penis.
And she plays bass... why am I not surprised?

At 5/28/08 10:20 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: Agreed. She looks like she works in a cubicle.

Average office worker. Definately. Maybe a secretary.

At 5/28/08 10:37 PM, Nev wrote: Average office worker. Definately. Maybe a secretary.

93% likelihood of being a secretary, by my calculations.

At 5/28/08 10:37 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:18 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

Is this better?

She looks like she should be in Fall Out Boy... with a penis.

That doesn't mean anyfuckingthing...
also whats the big fuzz with Fall Out Boy ?... any of you guys know their songs ?... or your just randomly bashing on popular music?

And she plays bass... why am I not surprised?

because women always plays bass or vocals...

I was on a Brazilian metal forum and my friend Andre mentioned this to me and now I'm pissed off. Hot Topic selling Death stuff. Now mall kids are going to be wearing and listening to Death stuff. NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.hottopic.com/hottopic/store/m uze_new.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=84552444 2173938&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=2534374302 028454&bmUID=1212028732759

At 5/28/08 10:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: also whats the big fuzz with Fall Out Boy ?... any of you guys know their songs ?... or your just randomly bashing on popular music?

Unfortunately, I'm too familiar with their songs. They're horrible.

Please tell me you're not defending Fall out Boy.

At 5/28/08 10:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: That doesn't mean anyfuckingthing...

It means she looks like Patrick Stump.

also whats the big fuzz with Fall Out Boy ?... any of you guys know their songs ?... or your just randomly bashing on popular music?

I own From Under the Cork Tree.
Its catchy music, I have nothing against it per sé.
But its worthless.

because women always plays bass or vocals...

Badly.

At 5/28/08 10:44 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: also whats the big fuzz with Fall Out Boy ?... any of you guys know their songs ?... or your just randomly bashing on popular music?

Unfortunately, I'm too familiar with their songs. They're horrible.

Please tell me you're not defending Fall out Boy.

How about we all do this... what part of Fall Out Boy is worse? I would say vocal. They are just dreadful, not necessary the lyrics, but just the singer's voice. And I listen to Muse, and so don't think I hate that emo-like singing. I know Muse isn't emo, but you get my drift.

At 5/28/08 09:31 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:25 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: On the subject of metal, has anyone heard of Skyforger?

I have their album Thunderforge.

I've got "Kauja Pie Saules (The Battle of Saule)". It's grown on me to say the least.

At 5/28/08 10:44 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:41 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: also whats the big fuzz with Fall Out Boy ?... any of you guys know their songs ?... or your just randomly bashing on popular music?

Unfortunately, I'm too familiar with their songs. They're horrible.

Please tell me you're not defending Fall out Boy.

I like the fact that they are not just following the mainstream music, they are writting original stuff, even if they are not your kind of music, they are not just some Simple Plan or Avril Lavigne shit.

lolk... May not be up on the current discussion and/or argument, but ahh... recently saw this up on the top so... I figured I'd begin posting here. If that's cool with everyone it has to be cool with. K? K.

At 5/28/08 10:45 PM, Nev wrote:

because women always plays bass or vocals...

Badly.

Speaking of which... I don't think I've ever told this story.

There was this freshman named Gwen (her name was actually michelle lmfao) who was in band for two trimesters this year. Probably the most obnoxious person I've ever met, her voice was like the primal danger screech of an ape and she played bass horribly. We made fun of her constantly and de-tuned her bass when she wasn't look. If anyone so much as touched her bass she'd flip about seven bitches and scream at us, even though it wasn't "her" bass.

This is relevant to metal because she likes Belphegor. she also likes slipknot, him and just about any other shitty band you can think of so that negates any metalness she may have. She's one of those HARDCORE REBELLION PUNK ROCK ANIME XD KAWAII RANDOM ^____^ girls. You know the type.

At 5/28/08 10:51 PM, hhcash wrote: How about we all do this... what part of Fall Out Boy is worse? I would say vocal. They are just dreadful, not necessary the lyrics, but just the singer's voice. And I listen to Muse, and so don't think I hate that emo-like singing. I know Muse isn't emo, but you get my drift.

<3Matt Bellamy

At 5/28/08 10:56 PM, Devilrider2 wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:31 PM, Kiddmeizter wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:25 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: On the subject of metal, has anyone heard of Skyforger?

I have their album Thunderforge.

I've got "Kauja Pie Saules (The Battle of Saule)". It's grown on me to say the least.

I have Zobena Dziema and Thunderforge.

At 5/28/08 10:51 PM, hhcash wrote: And I listen to Muse, and so don't think I hate that emo-like singing. I know Muse isn't emo, but you get my drift.

Matt Bellamy has a high voice.
That does not = emo or anything like it.

At 5/28/08 10:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I like the fact that they are not just following the mainstream music, they are writting original stuff, even if they are not your kind of music, they are not just some Simple Plan or Avril Lavigne shit.

What was unoriginal about Avril when she started out?
And whats original about FOB? Pretencious song titles?

At 5/28/08 10:58 PM, Voxphile wrote: lolk... May not be up on the current discussion and/or argument, but ahh... recently saw this up on the top so... I figured I'd begin posting here. If that's cool with everyone it has to be cool with. K? K.

Post 10 bands you like.

I may as well mention I have the entire In Flames discography on my computer...As well as all of the Tool albums, if any of you are into them.

At 5/28/08 10:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I like the fact that they are not just following the mainstream music

wait, whoa.

stop right there.

hold the FUCKING phone.

fall out boy are just about the definition of the current mainstream.

At 5/28/08 11:09 PM, Nev wrote: Post 10 bands you like.

Well, assuming you're serious, Then:
American Head Charge
Slayer
Neaera
At The Gates
Deicide
Fear Factory
Chimaira
Sepultura
EyeHateGod
and Motorhead

At 5/28/08 11:16 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:58 PM, HeavenDuff wrote: I like the fact that they are not just following the mainstream music

wait, whoa.

stop right there.

hold the FUCKING phone.

fall out boy are just about the definition of the current mainstream.

If you can find anything they copied or anything they sound like, than maybe that would bring more to the table.
They are popular, yet they are not un-original.