Just got a new CD with the remainder of my Best Buy gift card.

Leprosy - Death.

Hopefully it arrives soon and not take forever like my other three CDs... WHICH STILL HAVEN'T SHOWN UP!

At 5/27/08 09:55 PM, smeagol1 wrote: MY MOM BUTCHERED MY METAL HAIR!!! :( it so short!

Ahhh, yes. I remember the days of haircuts.

*reclines in chair and smokes a pipe*

At 5/27/08 08:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote:

At 5/27/08 08:40 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: beating your ass with logic and science

I'm sorry, that's a rather rude way to phrase it. I apologize, i'm in a pretty pissy mood today due to a cold, lack of sleep and other personal matters.

yes... and thats the problem of the metal hell in general... the lack of respect in here is awesome

What I should have said is something along the lines is "answered your questions in regards to metal."

alright

my bad.

The thing is... that in your opinion he beated me, but thats just because you share opinions with him.
The fact that I want to include metalcore in metal, is that there is something like 100 subgenders of metal music, and if Power Metal, Black Metal, Death Metal and Folk Metal can be considered all metal, than metalcore, in my mind should be a part of it. I know you guys don't like the fact that there is some emocore stuff in metalcore, but if any of you would listen to the new album of Bullet For My Valentine, you would realise that there is way too much Melodic Death Metal and Thrash Metal influences for it to be left out of metal bands list... but anyway, I don't want to have another fight with 90% of the crew... so if you... Mister D3NTATUS, have anything else to say about it, then feel free to do so. But I seriously don't want to ear angry underground metalhead's complainnings.

Anyway, I would like to know on what album is the song Victoria Secrets by Sonata Actica, cause it's fucking sweet !!!
I just bought one of their first album, Ecliptica and it's awesome, anybody else have it?

Can we consider Images And Words by Dream Theater to be a Metal album? Cause it's really just a progressive album.

At 5/27/08 09:31 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Logic time!

Two types of metalcore:

Heaven Shall Burn equals two liters (litres) of Metal and half a liter (litre) of hardcore.

They're the only metalcore band I actually like. No Gay cleans and no overly done breakdowns.
Lot's of Melodeath in them.

At 5/28/08 02:51 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 5/27/08 09:31 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Logic time!

Two types of metalcore:

Heaven Shall Burn equals two liters (litres) of Metal and half a liter (litre) of hardcore.

They're the only metalcore band I actually like. No Gay cleans and no overly done breakdowns.
Lot's of Melodeath in them.

whats the problem about clean vocals?
you don't like your vocalists to sound human sometimes?
And I'm not complainning about screams and growls, I like it a lot, I just think it's fucked up that you bash a whole kind of vocals with absolutely no argument.

At 5/28/08 02:56 AM, HeavenDuff wrote:

At 5/28/08 02:51 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 5/27/08 09:31 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Logic time!

Two types of metalcore:

Heaven Shall Burn equals two liters (litres) of Metal and half a liter (litre) of hardcore.

They're the only metalcore band I actually like. No Gay cleans and no overly done breakdowns.
Lot's of Melodeath in them.

whats the problem about clean vocals?

I should have been more clear by 'gay'. I meant the really girly dramatic/choir vocals commonly used in metalcore really do annoy me, like they use in this song.

you don't like your vocalists to sound human sometimes?

Of course I do, but if i want whiney bitch vocals I'll go listen to Fall Out Boy

And I'm not complainning about screams and growls, I like it a lot, I just think it's fucked up that you bash a whole kind of vocals with absolutely no argument.

Why would you? Screams and growls make up a massive percent of all metal.
My argument is my opinion (just as your argument is yours). That overly done girly things like that really don't belong in Metal, the cleans used in Power/Prog Metal are at least done with the intent of the singer maintaining there sexuality.

The Human Equation by Ayreon. Guest vocals from James LaBrie, Mikael Arkfeldt, and Devin Townsend as well as a bunch of other people who are in band's I've never listened too. Pretty awesome stuff albeit not all of it is metal and it can get pretty poppy at times. Still it's got some pretty epic and powerful segments in there and there are a lot of celtic sounding folk influences. It's different that's for damn sure, and even though I've only been through it once I love the shit out of it already.

At 5/26/08 08:49 AM, PenisClown wrote: Hahahaha, tonight! I'm getting some fucking pussy too. Hot chick's pussy.

I'm back from the party.

My best friend stole my pussy. >:(

At 5/27/08 08:07 AM, Oppugnant wrote: So lately I've come to love Mirrorthrone.
They're really amazing/unique and I have no idea what genre it fits into, they bare a resemblance to Diabolical Masquerade and Solefald.

Sensey, you'll adore it.

So will Ponos. He is the new Sensey, as Ponos now likes Avant-Garde and Experimental metal.

And oh my word, if it isn't HeavenDuff.

Still reading are we Quitty McQuit Quitter?

Bitterness and the past aside, I do completely agree with your opinions of metalcore. I just really don't like it.

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Anyway, I would like to know on what album is the song Victoria Secrets by Sonata Actica, cause it's fucking sweet !!!
I just bought one of their first album, Ecliptica and it's awesome, anybody else have it?

Victoria's Secret is on winter hearts guild (my favourite album of theres) and Ecliptica is fucking amazing, i would seriously recommend their entire disco' :P

Can we consider Images And Words by Dream Theater to be a Metal album? Cause it's really just a progressive album.

That is just one album though, like origin by borknagar which is all acoustic, however it doesnt change the fact that they are metal.

and on the metalcore debate, everytime i hear a metalcore song all i think of is this, i havent heard a single metalcore band that i havent thought as trying too hard to be br000ta1

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: way too much Melodic Death Metal and Thrash Metal influences

Double kicks and growling does not = death metal or thrash metal influences.

Do you guys see all the ????s and gibberish?

At 5/28/08 05:31 AM, PenisClown wrote: Do you guys see all the ????s and gibberish?

Yes, im guessing foreign characters not being supported on MA or Firefox.

Well i'm pretty fucking pissed then. How am I supposed to name those tracks? What will Last.fm think. I must use the intarwebs to find out.

At 5/28/08 07:04 AM, PenisClown wrote: Well i'm pretty fucking pissed then. How am I supposed to name those tracks? What will Last.fm think. I must use the intarwebs to find out.

%u0423 %u041D%u0435%u0434%u0456%u043B%u044E...

%u041F%u0440%u043E%u0432%u0435%u0434%u04 43 %u042F %u0420%u0443%u0441%u0430%u043B%u043E%u04 47%u043A%u0443...

%u041A%u043E%u043B%u0438%u0441%u043A%u04 3E%u0432%u0430

hopefully NG supports those, thats what i have for them, tis a good album

At 5/28/08 07:18 AM, Charon wrote:

:tracks

no it doesnt, hhmm

found them on the web:
http://extreme-underground.blogspot.com/
2007/07/hate-forest-battlefields.html

THANKYOU MAN!

At 5/28/08 07:39 AM, PenisClown wrote: THANKYOU MAN!

Tis what i do, there are but a few things i cant find on this glorious world wide web

Remember that Australian band that had a singer die while on tour with All Shall Perish, The Red Shore?

Well looks like they haven't an original thought in them.

PROOF!

At 5/27/08 03:51 PM, HeavenDuff wrote:

there is the word METAL in METALcore... so you fail, and your opinions and tastes in music won't make it change. I really am sorry about the fact that black metal is considered metal... but it is... so accept the fact that metalcore is way more Metal than Hardcore.
and this is final.

Metalcore isn't metal for the very reason that the hardcore influences are more noticeable than the Metal influences, Groovy riffs, Breakdowns, that annoying Scream vocal, and the whole "Hardcore dancing" in the crowds.

Listen to this.

is it more of this.
or this?

No, Okay, that just proves that they don't get their influence from Death metal.
Thrash metal?
No.
Power/Black/Doom/Goth/Melodeath/Folk?

NO.
Metalcore is not metal, It's just Hardcore by some faggots that have listened to too much Nu pantera, Metallica, At the Gates(which already had some hardcore in it), And pathetically failed at trying to put the aspects of those bands into their music.

Goatchrist already wrote a HUGE rant on why I am right, on page 1400 something.

And then of course there is another point to be made:

At 5/28/08 09:46 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: And then of course there is another point to be made:

WTF? Is the kid in the top right wearing a.. a.. High on Fire t-shirt?

At 5/27/08 07:20 PM, Nev wrote: While we're moaning about Trivium not being Metal, has anyone actually listened to the album that is allegedly Black Metal or whatever?

You mean that EP of theirs or Twat Heafy's side project?

At 5/27/08 09:31 PM, Idiosyncratic wrote: Logic time!

Two types of metalcore:

That sounds very reasonable. :)

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: I just bought one of their first album, Ecliptica and it's awesome, anybody else have it?

Yeah, I have that album. It's great, but I find their later two albums more enjoyable overall. I still need to get Silence and Winterheart's Guild.

Can we consider Images And Words by Dream Theater to be a Metal album? Cause it's really just a progressive album.

More metal than Metalcore. Just listen to Pull Me Under and Metropolis, Pt. 1 and there you go.

At 5/28/08 09:20 AM, Oppugnant wrote: Remember that Australian band that had a singer die while on tour with All Shall Perish, The Red Shore?

Well looks like they haven't an original thought in them.

PROOF!

I´ve seen a hundred death metal band logos that look exactly like that.

At 5/28/08 10:14 AM, Oppugnant wrote:

At 5/28/08 09:46 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: And then of course there is another point to be made:

WTF? Is the kid in the top right wearing a.. a.. High on Fire t-shirt?

I KNOW!!! i dont mind it when they befoul mainstream metal bands like iron maiden by wearing their shirts but some things are too sacred.
well hello thar everyone, havnt posted or hardly even looked at NG for months. suppose because ive been listening to less metal, more jazz n funky stuff, altho ive been lsitening to agalloch loads. oooo and a reccomendation for stoner fans- mammatus. the only way i can properly describe them is hippy-metal.

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote:

At 5/27/08 07:20 PM, Nev wrote: While we're moaning about Trivium not being Metal, has anyone actually listened to the album that is allegedly Black Metal or whatever?

You mean that EP of theirs or Twat Heafy's side project?

This?

At 5/28/08 09:46 AM, Kiddmeizter wrote: that annoying Scream vocal

GYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOHHH

Am I great at impressions or what? :3

At 5/28/08 01:25 AM, HeavenDuff wrote: Can we consider Images And Words by Dream Theater to be a Metal album? Cause it's really just a progressive album.

The only thing not Metal about Images and Words is James. But then, no one cares about James... and rightly so.

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote: You mean that EP of theirs or Twat Heafy's side project?

I mean the EP.

Why does everyone take so much offense towards Trivium?
So they stole a few riffs.
Who gives a shit.

They're talented musicians. They know their stuff about Metal and I bet if they weren't on Roadrunner they'd be a completely different band (so lets blame Roadrunner).
And Ascendency is a good album.
Everything doesn't need to be Metal... and thankfully, not everything is Metal.

People need to stop crying about bands like Slipknot and Trivium. Don't like them, don't listen to them.

At 5/28/08 03:19 PM, Nev wrote: Why does everyone take so much offense towards Trivium?
So they stole a few riffs.
Who gives a shit.

:|

They're talented musicians. They know their stuff about Metal and I bet if they weren't on Roadrunner they'd be a completely different band (so lets blame Roadrunner).

I'm not of the opinion that they're devoid of talent. They know more about playing music then I do. However that doesn't make their music anymore interesting. Add to that the funny image and bingo you've got yourself a patsy.

Everything doesn't need to be Metal... and thankfully, not everything is Metal.

I agree. Not everything should be metal. But nothing should be like the picture at the end of my post. Holy criminy batman, I think I see a tool!

People need to stop crying about bands like Slipknot and Trivium. Don't like them, don't listen to them.

When I see something unintentionally funny I'll make fun of it ... sort of like an Uwe Boll flick. It's about the opposite of crying to ridicule Slipknot or Trivium. They do it to themselves.

At 5/28/08 03:19 PM, Nev wrote:

At 5/28/08 10:16 AM, Bahamut wrote: You mean that EP of theirs or Twat Heafy's side project?

I mean the EP.

Trivium's EP? Black Metal?
*VWOOSH*
What's that? Hm, it looks like a space-time rift the likes of which only a complete paradox could form. We had better call The Doctor.

So they stole a few riffs.

Yeah. They did.

Who gives a shit.

Probably the bands that originally wrote those riffs.

They're talented musicians. They know their stuff about Metal

These statements are both true.

and I bet if they weren't on Roadrunner they'd be a completely different band

Yeah, look what it did to Dragonforce.

(so lets blame Roadrunner).

Fair enough.

And Ascendency is a good album.

Ember to Inferno>Ascendency

People need to stop crying about bands like Slipknot and Trivium. Don't like them, don't listen to them.

Yeah, but if guys like HeavenDuff and I have anything to learn from this experience, it's that if you happen to like or at least be indifferent to either of those bands, we better not bring up that shit here.

At 5/26/08 10:53 PM, D3NTATUS wrote: it's on my favorite quotes on facebook.

My, what an honor. XD

At 5/27/08 08:07 AM, Oppugnant wrote: Sensey, you'll adore it.

I already do. I have the Gangrene album. It's great. :)

At 5/28/08 03:19 PM, Nev wrote: Why does everyone take so much offense towards Trivium?

I actually don't care.

So they stole a few riffs.
Who gives a shit.

I care about that, though. I have a big problem with people stealing others' ideas. That is why I despise people like Carlos Mencia.

At 5/28/08 04:03 PM, TakeNoPrisoners wrote: I agree. Not everything should be metal. But nothing should be like the picture at the end of my post. Holy criminy batman, I think I see a tool!

They're kids, and kids in the media have to be depicted like that.
I doubt they had much choice in the way they look on photoshoots. I can just imagine some nerdy photographer covered in spots with nicely emo'd hair and glasses telling them to growl like a tiger and look hardcore.

I'm not dissing photography, but Roadrunner. I don't see photography as nerdy, etc.

When I see something unintentionally funny I'll make fun of it ... sort of like an Uwe Boll flick. It's about the opposite of crying to ridicule Slipknot or Trivium. They do it to themselves.

When I say cry I mean the attitude of people moaning about them without any sort of context behind what they're doing. If you don't like them, don't get upset about them.
The band is a joke, and making fun of them makes complete sense... but these arguments are ridiculous.

At 5/28/08 05:05 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: I actually don't care.

By everyone, dear, I don't mean everyone.
Thats always the case in generalisation. You know this :).

I care about that, though. I have a big problem with people stealing others' ideas. That is why I despise people like Carlos Mencia.

Personally I think people are way to anal.
There is only so much you can do the notes you're given. And to have a riff that is slightly similar to another is in my opinion insignificant when they're doing other stuff originally.
If they build an entire career out of theft, obviously, its wrong, but Trivium have their sound/style and they're very much the forefront of the mainstream Metalcore malarky.

I think people are just being overly critical because of Trivium's reputation.