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we sign bill guerin? wtf.

Why not tender a qualifying offer to some of the good RFAs out there...Derek Roy, Thomas Vanek, Nathan Paetsch, Daniel Paille, Mike Cammalleri, Stephen Weiss, Marcel Hossa, Zach Parise, Sean Avery, Lee Stempniak, Mike Ribiero, Antti Miettinen, Jussi Jokinen, Mark Giordano,
Dmitri Afanasenkov, etc.

Or, if you're gonna be signing old guys, go after Michael Peca & Teemu Selanne.

At 7/5/07 08:09 PM, Buddhist wrote:

Dmitri Afanasenkov, etc.

Or, if you're gonna be signing old guys, go after Michael Peca & Teemu Selanne.

Yea, name Afanasenkov but not penner.
Fuck you, bro.

Also Teemu's retiring. And even if he didn't, he'd never leave the ducks. Much less sign for the joke that is the Isles.

Also, Brodeur is overrated.

At 7/7/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote:

At 7/5/07 08:09 PM, Buddhist wrote: Dmitri Afanasenkov, etc.

Yea, name Afanasenkov but not penner.
Fuck you, bro.

Huh. I thought I put Penner in there.

Besides, Afanasenkov is cooler. 8)

Also Teemu's retiring. And even if he didn't, he'd never leave the ducks. Much less sign for the joke that is the Isles.

ur mom

At 7/7/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Also Teemu's retiring. And even if he didn't, he'd never leave the ducks. Much less sign for the joke that is the Isles.

4 CUPS > 1 CUP

BOSSY WILL FOREVER BE BETTER THAN SELANNE

At 7/9/07 08:49 AM, ucantstopmenigre wrote:

At 7/7/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Also Teemu's retiring. And even if he didn't, he'd never leave the ducks. Much less sign for the joke that is the Isles.

4 CUPS > 1 CUP

BOSSY WILL FOREVER BE BETTER THAN SELANNE

Mike Bossy touches children.

At 7/5/07 10:25 AM, EternitySpent wrote: You can never count out a team with Brodeur, though it must hurt losing your best defencemen 3 years in a row.

That's precisely my point. Brodeur is good, but he's not the best. He had some really talented defencemen playing in front of him and the neutral zone trap they ran was always a big factor in their 1995 and 2000 cups. Now they've got some work to do.

At 7/7/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Also, Brodeur is overrated.

A little, but not much.

At 7/9/07 01:29 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Mike Bossy touches children.

Mike Bossy owns the Ducks

At 7/9/07 04:23 PM, Coop83 wrote:

At 7/7/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Also, Brodeur is overrated.

A little, but not much.

No, he's ridiculously overrated. I mean c'mon. Jigs had pace to get more wins than he did. Also, never led the league in save percentage. Gimme a break.
Gimme a break.
Break me off a piece of that marty brody sucks ass.

At 7/9/07 06:12 PM, Buddhist wrote:

At 7/9/07 01:29 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Mike Bossy touches children.

Mike Bossy owns the Ducks

Charles Wang owns the isles.

And I bet it kills you inside.

At 7/10/07 02:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: No, he's ridiculously overrated.

Hmmm? Granted New Jersey has had a ridiculously stong defense for most of Brodeur's tenure, but it's not like he's the first goalie ever to play for a good defensive team. I mean he has the 2nd most wins of all time as well as the 3rd most shutouts. In addition to that in his whole career he has never once had a losing record and he has won 35+ games in each of the last 10 seasons. What else do you have to do to be worthy of accolades?

There's no doubt Giguere is good and in 5 years time if he's still playing as stellar as he did last season then maybe he can be compared to Brodeur, but until then they're not even in the same league.

Also, being a leafs fan I'm totally stoked about the prospect of getting a goaltender who probably wont allow 4+ goals on less than 20 shots about 8 times a season.

At 7/10/07 02:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: No, he's ridiculously overrated. I mean c'mon. Jigs had pace to get more wins than he did.

Yeah, but being on pace to do something, but not actually doing it = fail.

Also, never led the league in save percentage. Gimme a break.

That's a stat which should prove how good a goalie is, but it's not the bottom line. Greatness isn't decided on one statistic alone!

At 7/10/07 11:23 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 7/10/07 02:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: No, he's ridiculously overrated. I mean c'mon. Jigs had pace to get more wins than he did.

Yeah, but being on pace to do something, but not actually doing it = fail.

Injuries, man. Injuries.
Still got more wins than the avs goalies though. :o

Also, never led the league in save percentage. Gimme a break.

That's a stat which should prove how good a goalie is, but it's not the bottom line. Greatness isn't decided on one statistic alone!

That is the KEY stat for goaltending. GAA is a measure or team defense, a stat in which he always excels. I came across a few graphs that showed Brody's average shots face per game compared to the rest of the league, and he's consistently faced far, far fewer thn the rest of the other goalies.

Brods just lucked out have Lemaire invent the trap for him. Set him up for life.

At 7/10/07 06:00 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Injuries, man. Injuries.
Still got more wins than the avs goalies though. :o

Injuries or not, he didn't equal the old record, so he's not in the record book and therefore in a few seasons won't be remembered.

That is the KEY stat for goaltending. GAA is a measure or team defense, a stat in which he always excels. I came across a few graphs that showed Brody's average shots face per game compared to the rest of the league, and he's consistently faced far, far fewer thn the rest of the other goalies.

I know it's the key stat, but to make it work propertly, you have to take it in conjunction with other stats for it to be counted. Not facing a lot of shots, but getting loads of wins does not make one great, I'll admit. Personally, I think Roy and Luongo are better tenders and Luongos SV% was .921, a whole 10th of a percent below Marty's .922

Brods just lucked out have Lemaire invent the trap for him. Set him up for life.

So what are you going to do about it? Sue Gary Bettman?

At 7/11/07 06:05 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 7/10/07 06:00 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Injuries, man. Injuries.
Still got more wins than the avs goalies though. :o

Injuries or not, he didn't equal the old record, so he's not in the record book and therefore in a few seasons won't be remembered.

Not like the Ducks won the cup last year or anything. :\

I know it's the key stat, but to make it work propertly, you have to take it in conjunction with other stats for it to be counted. Not facing a lot of shots, but getting loads of wins does not make one great, I'll admit. Personally, I think Roy and Luongo are better tenders and Luongos SV% was .921, a whole 10th of a percent below Marty's .922

Well, let's take a took at numbers featuring someone you didn't mention in the same breath as Brods.

Hasek.

From 1993-94 until 2001-02, Dominik Hasek faced 1,060 more shots than Martin Brodeur, and gave up 135 fewer goals.

I had to check those numbers again because I thought I had made a mistake at first. It is sometimes easy to shrug off save percentages, since there doesn't look like that much of a difference between Hasek's .926 and Brodeur's .911, but the difference shows itself in the totals. To try to quantify the gap between Hasek and Brodeur, I looked for a goalie that faced about 1,000 fewer shots than Brodeur and gave up 130 more goals in the same time period. There wasn't one, because no goalie that bad would get enough playing time to qualify. The two closest were Arturs Irbe (1870 fewer shots, 62 fewer goals against) and Jocelyn Thibault (1948 fewer shots, 77 fewer goals). Brodeur was much closer to guys like Irbe or Thibault than he was to Hasek in the 1990s.

What about the playoffs? Well, Brodeur certainly had more playoff opportunities because of the strength of his teams, playing 114 playoff games to Hasek's 90. His 67-47 record was also slightly better than the Dominator's 52-37. However, Brodeur's winning percentage of .588 was below New Jersey's regular season average of .615, while Hasek's playoff win mark of .584 was much better than his team's seasonal rate of .559, indicating that the Dominator carried his team in the postseason. In total, Brodeur faced 260 more shots and gave up 33 more goals than Hasek, which meant Hasek had a better save percentage, .927 to .922. Hasek only had one Cup win to Brodeur's two, but from 1994 to 2002 Hasek was the better playoff goalie.

To compare apples to apples, let's put the two of them side-by-side at a similar age and look at their records from the age of 29 to the age of 34 (which because of Hasek's late start are the only seasons we can use to compare the two as starting NHL goalies):

Age 29-34 seasons: Dominik Hasek faced 1,494 more shots than Martin Brodeur, and gave up 41 fewer goals.

Obviously Brods is a very good goalie, but he's absurdly blown away by the numbers put by Hasek.

So what are you going to do about it? Sue Gary Bettman?

Are you 8?

http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/2007/06/h asek-vs-brodeur-why-its-not-even-close.html

^source on the last post.

Also Mario's better.

Hasek > all current goalies over the span of their careers.

Deal with it.

At 7/11/07 06:55 PM, Buddhist wrote: Hasek > all current goalies over the span of their careers.

Deal with it.

I very much agree.
Even if he somehwat of a joke nowadays.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsnation/w hosnow

vote crosb, just because there any other NHLers

At 7/11/07 12:03 PM, Canas wrote: Understand that G.A.A., and wins are far more a factor of the team's ability as opposed to the goaltender's.

Ok, I can see that, but consider this: The fewer shots a goalie has to face, the less fatigued he gets over a span of games without a break.

Therefore, Marty Brodeur plays more games than most other Goalies, because he doesn't face many shots. The stats back this one up.

From this, I can conclude that Roberto Luongo is a better Goalie than Brodeur, since he played 2 less games, faced almost the same amount of shots and won only one less game.

Just know that Brodeur is not as amazing as he's made out to be.

Oh I totally agree. He's good, but he's not the best.

At 7/11/07 01:51 PM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Not like the Ducks won the cup last year or anything. :\

You know full well I meant that it was for the amount of wins in a single season, not the whole team's achievemnts.

Well, let's take a took at numbers featuring someone you didn't mention in the same breath as Brods.

Hasek.

From 1993-94 until 2001-02, Dominik Hasek faced 1,060 more shots than Martin Brodeur, and gave up 135 fewer goals.

Hasek is better than Marty. I won't argue with that.

At 7/11/07 06:55 PM, Buddhist wrote: Hasek > all current goalies over the span of their careers.

You can only legitimately say this because Patrick Roy has retired, therefor is not current.

Deal with it.

Dealt with :P

I hear Sheldon Souray signed with the Edmonton Oilers for I'm not sure how long. I's probably going to be like a "Chris Pronger" sort of thing. He'll like them one year, then the next year, he's mouthing off making excuses to join another team. Then again, when Pronger did that, he joined a team that won the cup!

At 7/13/07 11:06 AM, TOEZ wrote: I hear Sheldon Souray signed with the Edmonton Oilers for I'm not sure how long. I's probably going to be like a "Chris Pronger" sort of thing. He'll like them one year, then the next year, he's mouthing off making excuses to join another team. Then again, when Pronger did that, he joined a team that won the cup!

The exception here is that Souray is one of the worst defensemen in the league at playing actual defense.

Wheras pronger was THE best defenseman in the league last year.

Too bad injuries ruined his chances.

Hasek was more consistent than Roy in his careeer, imo.

Roy wasn't at his best in the early years.

At 7/13/07 07:05 PM, Buddhist wrote: Hasek was more consistent than Roy in his careeer, imo.

Roy wasn't at his best in the early years.

Hasek's the best.
Bar none.

Coop loves Roy because of the avs, that's all.

At 7/14/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Coop loves Roy because of the avs, that's all.

It certainly helps to be biased in matters like this, but I refuse to appreciate a goalie whose first instinct is to fall flat on his arse. I like Roy, especially the way that he rubs the puck in the opponent's faces in his "statue of liberty" stance.

Plus the numbers of wins is enough for me :)

man all i want to say is that the habs suck ass...go leafs go

At 7/14/07 05:31 PM, dj-stev1 wrote: man all i want to say is that the habs suck ass...go leafs go

They have the worst fans in the league... at least, that's what Canas said.

At 7/14/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Coop loves Roy because of the avs, that's all.

How can you not love Roy? Roy had intensity. You did not go into his crease unless you wanted intensity. He also had incredible talent and skill. I think that tops tripping on a hockey stick.

At 7/15/07 04:35 PM, Twerpo wrote:

At 7/14/07 01:22 AM, VeryProudofYa wrote: Coop loves Roy because of the avs, that's all.

How can you not love Roy? Roy had intensity. You did not go into his crease unless you wanted a beating. He also had incredible talent and skill. I think that tops tripping on a hockey stick.

*Fix

At 7/14/07 05:31 PM, dj-stev1 wrote: man all i want to say is that the habs suck ass...go leafs go

I think the Maple Leafs are one of the most frustrating franchises in the sport. You think they're making steps forward to trying to contend and then they still fail. They're not quite the Cubs of the NHL, I'll leave that to the Blackhawks, but they're mighty close :P

Wow the coyotes are very very smart giving out a contract to Aebischer. Aebischer signs contract with Coyotes.

Who saw this coming?

not me but did you see what i have done to the montreal canadian im a very big fan of the canadian and i have not help the canadians soo a think is not a big move for the coyotes

sorry he abicher have not help the canadians