At 5/6/08 04:09 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 5/6/08 03:56 PM, Bahamut wrote: Well, for Coop, he does need to right-click if he's on World of Warcraft. I know that since I've played WoW before and used the right-click button a lot. However, besides that, I hardly right click. The only times when I seem to use it is when keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work.

I use the right mouse button a lot, because of mouse gestures in opera. "Right click, hold, move mouse down, let go of the right button" brings up a new tab. "Right click, hold, move mouse down, then right" closes the tab... it's much faster if you're used to it.

Oh yeah, that makes me think of something else. There is right clicking for properties that I do need to use sometimes and on FireFox, adblocking anything I need to get rid of.

At 5/8/08 08:36 PM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/6/08 03:56 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 5/2/08 07:30 PM, BonusStage wrote: You WERE here when it was good, most of the good users are gone and replaced with utterly shit ones

Does that mean I'm an utterly shit user? :'(

WELL, BONUS?!?!?!! TELL THE MAN IF HE'S SHIT OR NOT.

He did say "MOST of" the good users left, Bahamut. Maybe he meant after you got here, and you're one of the few who remained? After all, that's what he was saying about the likes of me, no doubt. :::noddles:::

Yes, but I'm in the middle. I was only with the Golden Age (as some might call it) of Wi/Ht? for a few months before that era ended. Most of the time I've been here is of course, after the incident. So I feel like I'm in the middle of it and wondered what Bonus thought about me.

Perhaps I could, but I still feel that I should wait until a later time. I don't feel veteran enough to take care of anything to do with the Wi/Ht? Memberlist right now. :P If there was an election in 2009, however, I wouldn't mind handling a member election then. :)

Okiedokie.

You know, I wouldn't mind a Ned Flanders quote every now and again, even if he IS a Simpsons character. :P It's too hard to deny the classic Simpsons lines such as "Okileydokiley" and Mr. Burns' "Excellent!".

Left-click inside the post area, hit ctrl-A to select all, hit ctrl-X to cut all... then switch to notepad... then hit ctrl-V to paste it... and repeat with the next tab. When all done, ctrl-X and ctrl-V again.

Indeed, that's what I do. It even amazes people who see me working on the computer. :)

Those people need some rudimentary Windows lessons, clearly. I've known this shit since the early 1990s.

Perhaps so, but the fact that my faster typing skills on the keyboard and shortcut skills really impress workers makes me feel great. It just means that they really appreciate my work there and would get better references from them whenever I apply to jobs.

And you know what I find funny. I feel like the work I do is just "OK". I really am a modest bastard at times.

At 5/9/08 04:27 AM, Coop83 wrote:

At 5/6/08 03:56 PM, Bahamut wrote: Well, for Coop, he does need to right-click if he's on World of Warcraft. I know that since I've played WoW before and used the right-click button a lot. However, besides that, I hardly right click. The only times when I seem to use it is when keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work.

Yeah, I can play WoW with a tablet! That would be quite ridiculous. Kind of like playing Assassin's Creed with the guitar from Guitar Hero III - doable, but highly pointless.

Or as my neighbour once suggested, playing Tomb Raider by using a steering wheel. :P I guess it could work if you're on a vehicle, but silly if you're just going through the levels by foot (i.e. the whole of the first game).

Yeah, but Bahamut knows that I've been a WoW player in the past - I haven't played it for months now :( and has taken it one step further to try and give me an insight into how it would be if I tried to play WoW with a tablet.

Indeed. You might even remember me talking about starting to play on it two years ago. Heh, those were shameful times to me, 'cause if I was sucked into WoW even more, all those flashes of mine (besides the first two) may not exist now.

At 5/14/08 01:00 PM, NEVR wrote: Members are quiet lately... I can't believe we let this thread slip onto the 3rd page of Wi/Ht, especially when it's getting so very close to 1,000 replies ;P

Bahamut is to blame for this, just like how he's to blame for everything.

BTW, even though it's probably gonna be a whiiiile away, I'm looking forward to voting in the next members election.

Heh, that'll be in August/September as we've decided on here. I find that an appropriate time. So by then, whenever I see Recon posting in the Wi/Ht? forum, I should put the voting election to his attention then. After all, that's how we were able to have a member election last month. :)

Whens the next election then folks?

At 5/14/08 06:09 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Whens the next election then folks?

Look up a little bit from your post and you'll see that it's August/September.

If you're looking to become a Wi/Ht? member, though, you'd be well-advised to try getting onto the regulars list first. ;)

At 5/14/08 06:11 PM, NEVR wrote:

At 5/14/08 06:09 PM, sirtom93 wrote: Whens the next election then folks?

Look up a little bit from your post and you'll see that it's August/September.

If you're looking to become a Wi/Ht? member, though, you'd be well-advised to try getting onto the regulars list first. ;)

Im not to fussed.

I spend most of my time here i singed up on 2/14/2004 dont know if this is helpful

At 5/14/08 06:33 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: I spend most of my time here i singed up on 2/14/2004 dont know if this is helpful

Did you really sign up then?

At 5/8/08 08:36 PM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/6/08 04:09 PM, Haggard wrote: Me neither. I just press the quote button with the middle mouse button to open a new tab.

Yep. Same first step here.

Great. I feel uncomfortable when I have to use a mouse that doesn't have a mouse wheel/middle mouse button. The mouse wheel is a great invention!

Then I write the response and everything, cut out anything I don't need to quote, triple-clicking in the post body to select all, press the first mouse button (yes, I have a 5-button-mouse :P ) to copy,

In some situations I do triple-click (mostly on URLs), but I don't like triple clicking in huge text fields. For some reason, it doesn't... "convince" me that everything truly is selected reliably. That's why I use ctrl-A. I trust ctrl-A implicitly. #;-}>

I can trust my browser. Opera > all other browsers! :P
But yeah, ctrl-A is the way to go if you want to be REALLY sure... or if triple clicking doesn't work (like in Word, or in notepad).

I've had multi-button mice before, but I don't think I ever assigned any button (let alone the first!) to the ctrl-C function. O_O

It's very useful for lazy people like me. Default setting is something like "back" in the browser, but I really don't need a mouse button for this. There are enough keyboard shortcuts. Like backspace, or ctrl+"cursor left". But I think the latter only works in Opera.
But I use ctrl+c/x/v as often as I use the mouse buttons, I think. Especially when I copy or cut out files on my PC. I COULD use the mouse buttons for that, but somehow I got used to use the keyboard for those kind of actions, so I stick to it.

And finally, while I sometimes (like right now, due to only replying to you + Bahamut) type inside the post window, if I'm doing a REAL multi-quote reply, i.e. LUL-style... I cut and paste the text chunks to a notepad window first, no typing inside the posting text box.

Yeah, writing in Notepad prevents you from browser crashes or acidentally closing a tab... but I'm too lazy to open notepad every time I do a multi quote. ^^

clicking somewhere else on the page to get the focus out of the text field, pressing '1' on my keyboard to switch to the previous tab, pressing the 5th mouse button to paste... rinse and repeat until I'm done.
THAT'S how cool kids do it these days! 8)

The 1 key is "previous tab" on your computer? That's freaking weird, man. O_o

The 1 key is "previous tab" in opera, while the 2 key is "next tab". Really helpful.

I dunno why you rely on mouse buttons so much. To me, the more I use my keyboard and the less I use my mouse, the better.

Because I have a cool mouse! :P
But I'm able to use keyboard shortcuts, too. In fact I use the keyboard as much as the mouse. I use my right hand to do all the mouse stuff like mouse gestures and stuff, and the left hand to do all the keyboard stuff (except for typing. I use both hands for that ^^).
This way I'm able to work with a mouse and with keyboards alike.

Then again, I'm typing on a laptop on my couch, *snip* I never liked using mice much, even at a desktop. I'm a command line man, I guess.

When I'm working on a laptop I use keyboard shortcuts. But most of the time I use a MacBook a friend of mine has, it's a bit annoying to press "apple key + c" to copy... or to press "apple key + l" for the @-sign. apple key+q is the quit command on a Mac. Most of the time I close down the browser because of that. ^^
I always think that I should use command lines more often, but I never get myself around to do it. I have some Linux distributions installed on a VirtualMachine, but I seldom use them.
And WinXP doesn't have a real DOS anymore, which is a pity...

Also there's the "context menu"-button on the keyboard, which brings up... well the context menu... ^^

Yeah, but I just don't like context/right-click menus. NEIN! #;-}>

You should use a Mac. They don't have right click! :P
But they do have a lot of context menues... ^^

Alt+F or Alt+E FTW. #;-}>

Hmm, ALT+F opens the window options in my browser (F is for "Fenster") and Alt+E opens the E-Mail Options... :P
I like to use "Windows Key + D" to get quickly to the desktop.

I use the right mouse button a lot, because of mouse gestures in opera.

Ewwwww.... gestures.... so.... dependent on having your mouse on a really good surface where it moves the cursor VERY reliably. #;-}>

The mouse pad I bought at IKEA for a few cents is good enough. ;)

At 5/14/08 05:52 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 5/6/08 04:09 PM, Haggard wrote:

At 5/6/08 03:56 PM, Bahamut wrote: Well, for Coop, he does need to right-click if he's on World of Warcraft. I know that since I've played WoW before and used the right-click button a lot. However, besides that, I hardly right click. The only times when I seem to use it is when keyboard shortcuts don't seem to work.

I use the right mouse button a lot, because of mouse gestures in opera. "Right click, hold, move mouse down, let go of the right button" brings up a new tab. "Right click, hold, move mouse down, then right" closes the tab... it's much faster if you're used to it.

Oh yeah, that makes me think of something else. There is right clicking for properties that I do need to use sometimes and on FireFox, adblocking anything I need to get rid of.

Oh yeah, ad blocking is nice. I use right click for that, too. It's a context menue in opera. ^^

At 5/14/08 01:00 PM, NEVR wrote: Members are quiet lately... I can't believe we let this thread slip onto the 3rd page of Wi/Ht, especially when it's getting so very close to 1,000 replies ;P

Members are making plenty of posts in other threads. This thread never used to be busy except around elections, when I posted list updates, or when people started yippin' about needing new elections.

It's perfectly fine for this topic to be buried under WAY more than 3 pages of Wi/Ht?, dude...

At 5/14/08 05:52 PM, Bahamut wrote: Oh yeah, that makes me think of something else. There is right clicking for properties that I do need to use sometimes and on FireFox, adblocking anything I need to get rid of.

Sure. Properties is where it's at.

(got two turntables and a microphone..... WHERE IT'S AT!)

At 5/8/08 08:36 PM, gfoxcook wrote: WELL, BONUS?!?!?!! TELL THE MAN IF HE'S SHIT OR NOT.

He did say "MOST of" the good users left, Bahamut. Maybe he meant after you got here, and you're one of the few who remained? After all, that's what he was saying about the likes of me, no doubt. :::noddles:::

Yes, but I'm in the middle. I was only with the Golden Age (as some might call it) of Wi/Ht? for a few months before that era ended. Most of the time I've been here is of course, after the incident. So I feel like I'm in the middle of it and wondered what Bonus thought about me.

Funny, cause I think the real Golden Age was back before SK ever invented the program that made "The Incident" even possible.

So to me, the thread thread is nowhere as much of a "Turning point" or "end of an era" as you and no doubt others see it.

To me, that only had to do with lists and listmakery. Nothing to do with the forum or its inhabitants.

Sure, SK pretty much left due to that, but he was going to leave sooner or later, anyway (see: his dropping of RG due to college/work/getting married).

I can't think of anyone else I can definitively point to that as being the reason they're not here besides SK, and again... that ain't really the reason anymore even with him, so... yeah.

Okiedokie.

You know, I wouldn't mind a Ned Flanders quote every now and again, even if he IS a Simpsons character. :P It's too hard to deny the classic Simpsons lines such as "Okileydokiley" and Mr. Burns' "Excellent!".

I was actually going to try to do a Ned there, but I couldn't think of how to spell his horrible horrible catchphrase, so I just went with the standard OK silliness. #;-}>

Those people need some rudimentary Windows lessons, clearly. I've known this shit since the early 1990s.

Perhaps so, but the fact that my faster typing skills on the keyboard and shortcut skills really impress workers makes me feel great. It just means that they really appreciate my work there and would get better references from them whenever I apply to jobs.

And you know what I find funny. I feel like the work I do is just "OK". I really am a modest bastard at times.

Yeah, well... be careful. I know from experience that often the only thing impressing people in the workplace gets you is constant questions, requests for training, etc. etc. in addition to your normal duties with NO EXTRA PAY, so... unless your workplace has an actual "trainer" position open that you could end up in with better pay/less shitty responsibilities, it might be better to avoid getting the reputation of "The guy who can do anything with a computer! NO, REALLY! TURN TO HIM CONSTANTLY WHEN YOU'RE AT A LOSS." #;-}>

Or as my neighbour once suggested, playing Tomb Raider by using a steering wheel. :P I guess it could work if you're on a vehicle, but silly if you're just going through the levels by foot (i.e. the whole of the first game).

Wouldn't work with the Wii Wheel + Wii version of Tomb Raider, I don't think. For one thing, you need nunchaku to play Wii Tomb Raider... for another, remote wouldn't be aimed at screen while holding wheel. #;-}>

Bahamut is to blame for this, just like how he's to blame for everything.

Now now...

At 5/16/08 05:08 PM, Haggard wrote: Great. I feel uncomfortable when I have to use a mouse that doesn't have a mouse wheel/middle mouse button. The mouse wheel is a great invention!

I actually remember the days before the mouse wheel even more fondly. Then you had a left, middle, and right button on the 3-button mice that were all consistent in shape and size, usually... and middle clicking was much easier with a "real" button than it is with most wheels, which tend to like to move (either up/down or side-to-side with the wheels that have that function).

I can trust my browser. Opera > all other browsers! :P
But yeah, ctrl-A is the way to go if you want to be REALLY sure... or if triple clicking doesn't work (like in Word, or in notepad).

I think I've told you before that I use Opera, too, man. Browser's got nothing to do with why I rely on ctrl-A instead of triple-clicks. #;-}>

It's very useful for lazy people like me. Default setting is something like "back" in the browser, but I really don't need a mouse button for this. There are enough keyboard shortcuts. Like backspace, or ctrl+"cursor left". But I think the latter only works in Opera.
But I use ctrl+c/x/v as often as I use the mouse buttons, I think. Especially when I copy or cut out files on my PC. I COULD use the mouse buttons for that, but somehow I got used to use the keyboard for those kind of actions, so I stick to it.

Yes, the thumb button on my mouse is set to back by default, as well. But as I think I also mentioned, I have it set to close tabs in Opera/Firefox, with ctrl-W.

Yeah, writing in Notepad prevents you from browser crashes or acidentally closing a tab... but I'm too lazy to open notepad every time I do a multi quote. ^^

I hear that. Still... better safe than sorry!

The 1 key is "previous tab" on your computer? That's freaking weird, man. O_o

The 1 key is "previous tab" in opera, while the 2 key is "next tab". Really helpful.

Whoa. I never noticed that. There's a problem with that, though. If any of your tabs are blank pages (now called Speed Dial), hitting 1 or 2 when you get to that tab just types the numbers into the URL box. #;-}>

Similary, I can't change out of this tab by pressing 1 or 2 (well, obviously).

Because I have a cool mouse! :P
But I'm able to use keyboard shortcuts, too. In fact I use the keyboard as much as the mouse. I use my right hand to do all the mouse stuff like mouse gestures and stuff, and the left hand to do all the keyboard stuff (except for typing. I use both hands for that ^^).
This way I'm able to work with a mouse and with keyboards alike.

See, that's just it... if I'm browsing the web but not typing much, then I'll use my mouse more. But if I'm typing on NG BBS, say, I tend to ONLY use my mouse for:

A) opening a few new topics to read with middle-clicks
B) clicking quote-reply buttons on posts I'm going to reply to
C) selecting the text post area for cutting and pasting

And that's it. Everything else I do with the keyboard. All the alt-tabbing, shift-alt-tabbing, hitting space, down, up, page down, page up, ctrl-W, ctrl-X, ctrl-C, ctrl-V, ctrl-Z, alt-ctrl-Z, alt-left and alt-right... I could go on for awhile with all the navigational and edit shortcuts I use. #;-}>

You should use a Mac. They don't have right click! :P
But they do have a lot of context menues... ^^

But I don't mind right-clicking that much and don't like context menus... so... I'll take a pass.

Alt+F or Alt+E FTW. #;-}>

Hmm, ALT+F opens the window options in my browser (F is for "Fenster") and Alt+E opens the E-Mail Options... :P
I like to use "Windows Key + D" to get quickly to the desktop.

You're crazy, man. alt-F and alt-E just pull down the File and Edit menus from the menubar. O_o

At 5/17/08 12:44 AM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/8/08 08:36 PM, gfoxcook wrote: WELL, BONUS?!?!?!! TELL THE MAN IF HE'S SHIT OR NOT.

No, not as much as he used to be, there are others who are infinitely worse. j00bie and Denvish... d0gma and ShittyKitty....... where have you all gone :(

Gee, I'll bet that makes whoever I was talking about feel SOOOO much better, then, to know there are others infinitely worse. #;-}>

Dogma's been gone a looooooooooong time. ShittyKitty didn't just get too busy for NG, he got too busy for his own site, Retrogade... POOF it went, circa April 2007, IIRC.

Denvish and joobs.... I have no idea. COME BACK, DENJOOBS.

He did say "MOST of" the good users left, Bahamut. Maybe he meant after you got here, and you're one of the few who remained? After all, that's what he was saying about the likes of me, no doubt. :::noddles:::

I know you're the most optimistic person according to the internet, but you have to agree that posting in stat threads only and never even controlling your own list or significantly helping out in the small help threads doesn't qualify as being a MEMBER, it qualifies as being a regular, the members that fit THAT description disgust me.

It's not about being optimistic, really. It's about not looking at the negative aspects of things you enjoy. Do you harp (either internally or externally) on the negatives of a girlfriend or... any friend for that matter? Or do you have more fun enjoying the good parts? Unless I'm in a REALLY bad mood, I'm always more the latter than the former.

Similarly, if there are members on Wi/Ht? that you don't agree with the election of because you didn't feel they deserved it, that's fine, but why not focus instead on those you DO think worthy?

Or just not worry about such relatively unimportant status matters, for that matter...

BONUS MAKE GFOX TEH SAD COOKIE. ;_;

At 5/18/08 10:27 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/16/08 05:08 PM, Haggard wrote: Great. I feel uncomfortable when I have to use a mouse that doesn't have a mouse wheel/middle mouse button. The mouse wheel is a great invention!

I actually remember the days before the mouse wheel even more fondly. Then you had a left, middle, and right button on the 3-button mice that were all consistent in shape and size, usually... and middle clicking was much easier with a "real" button than it is with most wheels, which tend to like to move (either up/down or side-to-side with the wheels that have that function).

That's right. Some mouse wheels are quite crappy. But my mouse (and the mouse wheel) is so outworn that it doesn't move up or down if I don't want it to. ^^
I also remember when you only had two mouse buttons. I started with an Amiga back in the 90's (yes, I was a little behind the times then [uh... is "behind the times" the right phrase to use? I actually mean the opposite of "ahead of the times" ;) ]).

I can trust my browser. Opera > all other browsers! :P
But yeah, ctrl-A is the way to go if you want to be REALLY sure... or if triple clicking doesn't work (like in Word, or in notepad).

I think I've told you before that I use Opera, too, man.

Maybe you have, but I can't remember if you did so. But that's great. As I've said: Opera > all other browsers! :D

It's very useful for lazy people like me. Default setting is something like "back" in the browser, but I really don't need a mouse button for this. There are enough keyboard shortcuts. Like backspace, or ctrl+"cursor left". But I think the latter only works in Opera.

Yes, the thumb button on my mouse is set to back by default, as well. But as I think I also mentioned, I have it set to close tabs in Opera/Firefox, with ctrl-W.

I only use ctr-W when I'm working on the laptop. On the PC I always close tabs with a mouse gesture or with a click on the tab with the middle mouse button/mouse wheel.
But mouse gestures are not that easy with a touch pad and the laptop doesn't have a "middle mouse button", so... ctrl-W is the quickest way to close a tab there. ^^

Yeah, writing in Notepad prevents you from browser crashes or acidentally closing a tab... but I'm too lazy to open notepad every time I do a multi quote. ^^

I hear that. Still... better safe than sorry!

I keep saying that to myself, but the lazy part in me won't listen...

The 1 key is "previous tab" on your computer? That's freaking weird, man. O_o

The 1 key is "previous tab" in opera, while the 2 key is "next tab". Really helpful.

Whoa. I never noticed that. There's a problem with that, though. If any of your tabs are blank pages (now called Speed Dial), hitting 1 or 2 when you get to that tab just types the numbers into the URL box. #;-}>
Similary, I can't change out of this tab by pressing 1 or 2 (well, obviously).

Yes, text boxes kinda destroy that nice feature. Especially those on pages like dict.cc where the text box is ALWAYS active...

You should use a Mac. They don't have right click! :P
But they do have a lot of context menues... ^^

But I don't mind right-clicking that much and don't like context menus... so... I'll take a pass.

Ah, I see.

Alt+F or Alt+E FTW. #;-}>

Hmm, ALT+F opens the window options in my browser (F is for "Fenster") and Alt+E opens the E-Mail Options... :P
I like to use "Windows Key + D" to get quickly to the desktop.

You're crazy, man. alt-F and alt-E just pull down the File and Edit menus from the menubar. O_o

I see, again. ^^
But File and Edit menues are alt+D and alt+B respectively. You know, different language, different shortcuts. ;)

At 5/17/08 12:44 AM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/8/08 08:36 PM, gfoxcook wrote: He did say "MOST of" the good users left, Bahamut. Maybe he meant after you got here, and you're one of the few who remained? After all, that's what he was saying about the likes of me, no doubt. :::noddles:::

I know you're the most optimistic person according to the internet, but you have to agree that posting in stat threads only and never even controlling your own list or significantly helping out in the small help threads doesn't qualify as being a MEMBER, it qualifies as being a regular, the members that fit THAT description disgust me.

So you've got a problem with what I say and where I post in this forum? I could say what I don't like about you here, but I won't. I don't like being bitter towards users in this forum.

At 5/18/08 10:19 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/14/08 05:52 PM, Bahamut wrote: Oh yeah, that makes me think of something else. There is right clicking for properties that I do need to use sometimes and on FireFox, adblocking anything I need to get rid of.

Sure. Properties is where it's at.

Flash also needs right-clicking.

Yes, but I'm in the middle. I was only with the Golden Age (as some might call it) of Wi/Ht? for a few months before that era ended. Most of the time I've been here is of course, after the incident. So I feel like I'm in the middle of it and wondered what Bonus thought about me.

Funny, cause I think the real Golden Age was back before SK ever invented the program that made "The Incident" even possible.

You think so? When did you think that Golden Age end? Others have said Early 2005, so I wonder what you think.

Sure, SK pretty much left due to that, but he was going to leave sooner or later, anyway (see: his dropping of RG due to college/work/getting married).

But didn't that incident killed much of his interest in NG? I recall him claiming that.

I can't think of anyone else I can definitively point to that as being the reason they're not here besides SK, and again... that ain't really the reason anymore even with him, so... yeah.

D0GMA?

And you know what I find funny. I feel like the work I do is just "OK". I really am a modest bastard at times.

Yeah, well... be careful. I know from experience that often the only thing impressing people in the workplace gets you is constant questions, requests for training, etc. etc.

But if it leads me to getting a job at the place I'm at now, I think it's worth it.

in addition to your normal duties with NO EXTRA PAY, so... unless your workplace has an actual "trainer" position open that you could end up in with better pay/less shitty responsibilities, it might be better to avoid getting the reputation of "The guy who can do anything with a computer! NO, REALLY! TURN TO HIM CONSTANTLY WHEN YOU'RE AT A LOSS." #;-}>

There is one thing about this workplace. I have hardly used a computer there. Infact, with what I do, I don't need to use one.

Or as my neighbour once suggested, playing Tomb Raider by using a steering wheel. :P I guess it could work if you're on a vehicle, but silly if you're just going through the levels by foot (i.e. the whole of the first game).

Wouldn't work with the Wii Wheel + Wii version of Tomb Raider, I don't think. For one thing, you need nunchaku to play Wii Tomb Raider... for another, remote wouldn't be aimed at screen while holding wheel. #;-}>

I was actually referring to the Playstation Tomb Raider games and not Anniversary for the Wii.

At 5/14/08 06:39 PM, sirtom93 wrote:

At 5/14/08 06:33 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: I spend most of my time here i singed up on 2/14/2004 dont know if this is helpful

Did you really sign up then?

No his sign up is 2004 because he signed up in 2005.

At 5/20/08 07:38 PM, simon wrote:

At 5/14/08 06:39 PM, sirtom93 wrote:

At 5/14/08 06:33 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: I spend most of my time here i singed up on 2/14/2004 dont know if this is helpful

Did you really sign up then?

No his sign up is 2004 because he signed up in 2005.

It's true. Sign-up dates are actually intricate puzzles that you have to figure out for yourself rather than taking them at face value. FOR EXAMPLE, simon here APPARENTLY signed up 3/23/00, but I've cleverly deduced through a number of complex equations and cryptic clues that his actual sign-up date is 12/31/99.

End sarcasm.

;P

At 5/21/08 10:38 AM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/20/08 05:01 PM, Bahamut wrote: So you've got a problem with what I say and where I post in this forum? I could say what I don't like about you here, but I won't. I don't like being bitter towards users in this forum.

Have you EVER run a list in this place? Ever?

He runs the regulars list, dude.

At 5/21/08 10:45 AM, NEVR wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:38 AM, BonusStage wrote: Have you EVER run a list in this place? Ever?

He runs the regulars list, dude.

And he's ready to take over the 2x10k+ list towards the end of the month which is umh... The biggest list on the site?

At 5/21/08 10:38 AM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/20/08 05:01 PM, Bahamut wrote: So you've got a problem with what I say and where I post in this forum? I could say what I don't like about you here, but I won't. I don't like being bitter towards users in this forum.

Have you EVER run a list in this place? Ever?

As NEVR said, I run the Regulars List. Perhaps it's not huge stats list-wise, but managing the list of Wi/Ht? regulars IS pretty big. Also, I will soon be running the Pentalist, which I expect to start on 31st May.

So yes, I am running a list and will be running a second list as well. Maybe I didn't start making them until this year, but when I was elected last year, it was the voters' decision for me to become a new Wi/Ht? member.

At 5/21/08 01:42 PM, Casualty wrote: And he's ready to take over the 2x10k+ list towards the end of the month which is umh... The biggest list on the site?

I wouldn't call it the biggest list. Although the NG Log has ranking lists that show only the top 200, the site contains more users than the Pentalist does.

At 5/21/08 10:40 PM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:45 AM, NEVR wrote: He runs the regulars list, dude.

Post getting elected.

Cool. Successively increasing syllables. Still don't understand what you're trying to say Bonus. Three word posts can be a little vague.

At 5/21/08 10:56 PM, ReconRebel wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:40 PM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:45 AM, NEVR wrote: He runs the regulars list, dude.

Post getting elected.

Cool. Successively increasing syllables. Still don't understand what you're trying to say Bonus. Three word posts can be a little vague.

I believe he means that Bahamut took up managing the regulars list after he got elected as a member. Even though that is the case, he's still doing a good deal for the forum IMO.

It's only the internet, anyways.

I've waited 17 hours and nobody has posted, so I'm taking the 1,000th reply. Sorry :)

At 5/19/08 04:04 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 5/18/08 10:27 AM, gfoxcook wrote: I actually remember the days before the mouse wheel even more fondly. Then you had a left, middle, and right button on the 3-button mice that were all consistent in shape and size, usually... and middle clicking was much easier with a "real" button than it is with most wheels, which tend to like to move (either up/down or side-to-side with the wheels that have that function).

That's right. Some mouse wheels are quite crappy. But my mouse (and the mouse wheel) is so outworn that it doesn't move up or down if I don't want it to. ^^

Ah, cool.

I also remember when you only had two mouse buttons. I started with an Amiga back in the 90's (yes, I was a little behind the times then [uh... is "behind the times" the right phrase to use? I actually mean the opposite of "ahead of the times" ;) ]).

Well of course, I remember those times as well. That's why I'm so fond of teh oldschool 3-button mice. They were introduced after the days of the two-button mice and then it seems like they never got a chance to be kings for very long before the wheel took the place of the middle button almost right away.

Yes, that's the correct phrase to use.

Maybe you have, but I can't remember if you did so. But that's great. As I've said: Opera > all other browsers! :D

It's better than Firefox in some ways, but there are a few things about Firefox I like that Opera doesn't seem to do as well, so that's why I use both.

I only use ctr-W when I'm working on the laptop. On the PC I always close tabs with a mouse gesture or with a click on the tab with the middle mouse button/mouse wheel.
But mouse gestures are not that easy with a touch pad and the laptop doesn't have a "middle mouse button", so... ctrl-W is the quickest way to close a tab there. ^^

I'm always working on the laptop. #;-}>

I see, again. ^^
But File and Edit menues are alt+D and alt+B respectively. You know, different language, different shortcuts. ;)

... oh. I hadn't even thought of that. Plenty of languages have words that at least start with the same letter, though, man. English/German, English/Latin, English/French often have similar words, at least in part... I never would have guessed that the Germany terms for file and edit didn't start with f and e, but... I guess at least in the case of edit, it makes sense... since edit is definitely a Latin-derived word.

I'm not so sure on file.

At 5/20/08 05:01 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 5/17/08 12:44 AM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/8/08 08:36 PM, gfoxcook wrote: He did say "MOST of" the good users left, Bahamut. Maybe he meant after you got here, and you're one of the few who remained? After all, that's what he was saying about the likes of me, no doubt. :::noddles:::

I know you're the most optimistic person according to the internet, but you have to agree that posting in stat threads only and never even controlling your own list or significantly helping out in the small help threads doesn't qualify as being a MEMBER, it qualifies as being a regular, the members that fit THAT description disgust me.

So you've got a problem with what I say and where I post in this forum? I could say what I don't like about you here, but I won't. I don't like being bitter towards users in this forum.

I didn't think he was talking about you specifically, but I guess I was wrong. Thanks for handling his criticism with maturity, man.

Flash also needs right-clicking.

FT low-quality-selector W!

Funny, cause I think the real Golden Age was back before SK ever invented the program that made "The Incident" even possible.

You think so? When did you think that Golden Age end? Others have said Early 2005, so I wonder what you think.

I don't think it has a precise end.

Sure, SK pretty much left due to that, but he was going to leave sooner or later, anyway (see: his dropping of RG due to college/work/getting married).

But didn't that incident killed much of his interest in NG? I recall him claiming that.

He wasn't around much before it, either. He wasn't around at ALL after it. So sure, it did.

But again, when he dropped Retrogade, he was out altogether anyway. My point was that if "that incident" hadn't happened, then he would have dropped out when he let RG die and focussed on his real life, anyway.

I can't think of anyone else I can definitively point to that as being the reason they're not here besides SK, and again... that ain't really the reason anymore even with him, so... yeah.

D0GMA?

Also wasn't around as much BEFORE the incident as back in 2003-2004.

Again, with both of them, and maybe others, you can argue for it as a "last straw," but you cannot give it too much credit. People come and go, with or without such individual causes to point at. Both of them, and others such as Newgrundling, just faded away, long before that.

Yeah, well... be careful. I know from experience that often the only thing impressing people in the workplace gets you is constant questions, requests for training, etc. etc.

But if it leads me to getting a job at the place I'm at now, I think it's worth it.

I was more talking about AFTER you get it, though.

There is one thing about this workplace. I have hardly used a computer there. Infact, with what I do, I don't need to use one.

Cool.

Or as my neighbour once suggested, playing Tomb Raider by using a steering wheel. :P I guess it could work if you're on a vehicle, but silly if you're just going through the levels by foot (i.e. the whole of the first game).

Wouldn't work with the Wii Wheel + Wii version of Tomb Raider, I don't think. For one thing, you need nunchaku to play Wii Tomb Raider... for another, remote wouldn't be aimed at screen while holding wheel. #;-}>

I was actually referring to the Playstation Tomb Raider games and not Anniversary for the Wii.

I figured as much, but the only steering wheel I have is for the Wii, so I changed the subject to the Wii Wheel + the Anniversary Wii edition of TR, yes. #;-}>

At 5/20/08 07:38 PM, simon wrote: No his sign up is 2004 because he signed up in 2005.

:::brain explodes:::

At 5/21/08 10:38 AM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/20/08 05:01 PM, Bahamut wrote: So you've got a problem with what I say and where I post in this forum? I could say what I don't like about you here, but I won't. I don't like being bitter towards users in this forum.

Have you EVER run a list in this place? Ever?

Has Recon? Or spancker? Or lightning? Or leeboy? or Xkwizitone?

Bonus, when did running a list become the ONLY criteria for being a Wi/Ht? member is my point.

BlueHippo, I believe it was, was complaining recently that we elected someone to the membership, in his view, solely BECAUSE of listmakery.

So we've got some members who don't like people getting added to the membership who've never made lists, even though that's at least half the membership...

And we've got some other members who don't like people getting added to the membership just because (allegedly) they make lists...

Do you see the problem here?

At 5/18/08 10:27 AM, gfoxcook wrote: Gee, I'll bet that makes whoever I was talking about feel SOOOO much better, then, to know there are others infinitely worse. #;-}>

Haha, i'd rather tell the truth and be rude than not and lie.

True enough, but listen to my truth as well, and understand that if you're angry about the election of Bahamut in particular, maybe you've got personal issues with him that you need to work through.

Because before you and Bahamut started back and forth, I THOUGHT you were talking about multiple members, not just him. Don't single him out, when he is far from unique.

j00bie was a great user, he and I owned page 1k of the LUL, and even though i can't prove it now, i was the one who actually got first post on page 1000, i remember beating j00bie by like 2 seconds, i rule.

Good times, good times.

Denvish is a lol-inducing mod nowadays, a very funny guy, i wish he was around here to liven things up

Which forums is he modding on (visibly, I mean)? Cause it sure ain't this one.

I'm quite pessimistic normally because i'm always thinking too much to only see the good, it's a shitty characteristic i live with.

You can always try to change it.

Better now than when you're a crusty old senior citizen, set in his ways. #;-}>

I remember them all well, they are good people like you or I.

Don't turn the membership into an us vs. them, man.

I care way too much about this site >_>

...

BONUS MAKE GFOX TEH SAD COOKIE. ;_;

""""""""""""""""(((((((

((((((

SEE WHAT YOU DO?

At 5/21/08 06:58 PM, Bahamut wrote: As NEVR said, I run the Regulars List. Perhaps it's not huge stats list-wise, but managing the list of Wi/Ht? regulars IS pretty big. Also, I will soon be running the Pentalist, which I expect to start on 31st May.

So yes, I am running a list and will be running a second list as well. Maybe I didn't start making them until this year, but when I was elected last year, it was the voters' decision for me to become a new Wi/Ht? member.

Yeah, I was gonna bring up your current list and soon-to-be-list, too, but I figured there was a much stronger case to be made for... "what does that matter?"

At 5/21/08 01:42 PM, Casualty wrote: And he's ready to take over the 2x10k+ list towards the end of the month which is umh... The biggest list on the site?

I wouldn't call it the biggest list. Although the NG Log has ranking lists that show only the top 200, the site contains more users than the Pentalist does.

Biggest to-this-point-manually-made list?

At 5/22/08 03:55 AM, NEVR wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:56 PM, ReconRebel wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:40 PM, BonusStage wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:45 AM, NEVR wrote: He runs the regulars list, dude.

Post getting elected.

Cool. Successively increasing syllables. Still don't understand what you're trying to say Bonus. Three word posts can be a little vague.

I believe he means that Bahamut took up managing the regulars list after he got elected as a member. Even though that is the case, he's still doing a good deal for the forum IMO.

As does any other member we've elected.

And BTW, Bonus, the fact that Bahamut only now is starting to do tons of lists, and has been active on the forum EVER since his election.... to me is a valuable thing about his membership.

There have been plenty of members who have disappeared off the face of the earth. That doesn't make me regret electing them, but Bahamut is certainly doing more right now than they are... right now... isn't he?

At 5/22/08 09:47 PM, gfoxcook wrote: So we've got some members who don't like people getting added to the membership who've never made lists, even though that's at least half the membership...

And we've got some other members who don't like people getting added to the membership just because (allegedly) they make lists...

Do you see the problem here?

OK, I may not have been here for long, but in my opinion the memberlist is simply a place where the more legendary contributors to the Wi/Ht are housed, and will have their names displayed whether they become inactive or not, as a sort of homage to the contribution they once made.

I liked the 'Hall of Fame' analogy that has been used in the past. I don't think you should have to run a stat list to get onto the memberlist (I haven't, but then Bonus may have been insinuating that he doesn't think I belong here either). IMO, impressing enough active members to be voted onto the list more than justifies having your name here.

Obviously there's always room for disagreement, but if someone feels that another member shouldn't be here, then the disagreeing member can always just ignore the member they dislike rather than try to put them down. The fact remains that enough people feel (or have felt) that the current members have done enough here to warrant them being a part of the list. That's good enough for me.

sorry for acting like i am a noob but what is this thread about?

At 5/22/08 10:22 PM, Buster1 wrote: sorry for acting like i am a noob but what is this thread about?

The memberlist is basically a list of the users who have made a sizable contribution to the Wi/Ht? forum over time. You can click the link in my signature (the one labeled 'Wi/Ht? #35') to see who else is on the list.

Usually members are elected from the Wi/Ht? regulars list, so it's kinda like a tier above being a regular.

The memberlist is basically a list of the users who have made a sizable contribution to the Wi/Ht? forum over time. You can click the link in my signature (the one labeled 'Wi/Ht? #35') to see who else is on the list.

Usually members are elected from the Wi/Ht? regulars list, so it's kinda like a tier above being a regular.

thanks for explaining, so i have a long way to go to become a member.

At 5/22/08 09:47 PM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/21/08 10:38 AM, BonusStage wrote: Have you EVER run a list in this place? Ever?

Has Recon? Or spancker? Or lightning? Or leeboy? or Xkwizitone?

What about Mary Ellen, Jim Bob or John-Boy? Damn! I'm having flashbacks of The Waltons again!

At 5/22/08 10:19 PM, NEVR wrote: The fact remains that enough people feel (or have felt) that the current members have done enough here to warrant them being a part of the list. That's good enough for me.

Couldn't have said it better myself NEVR. People will always have their own opinions about the election results (including myself) but if they get voted in, so be it. That's the way it's always worked around here.

..... and you're still using my sig. ^_~

At 5/22/08 09:44 PM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/19/08 04:04 AM, Haggard wrote:

At 5/18/08 10:27 AM, gfoxcook wrote:

I also remember when you only had two mouse buttons. I started with an Amiga back in the 90's (yes, I was a little behind the times then [uh... is "behind the times" the right phrase to use? I actually mean the opposite of "ahead of the times" ;) ]).

Yes, that's the correct phrase to use.

Great. :)

Maybe you have, but I can't remember if you did so. But that's great. As I've said: Opera > all other browsers! :D

It's better than Firefox in some ways, but there are a few things about Firefox I like that Opera doesn't seem to do as well, so that's why I use both.

I tried to get used to FF a few times (because greater knowledge of browsers is always a good thing), but it just doesn't feel right... for every little bit I need a new plugin. That's really annoying.

I see, again. ^^
But File and Edit menues are alt+D and alt+B respectively. You know, different language, different shortcuts. ;)

... oh. I hadn't even thought of that. Plenty of languages have words that at least start with the same letter, though, man. English/German, English/Latin, English/French often have similar words, at least in part... I never would have guessed that the Germany terms for file and edit didn't start with f and e, but... I guess at least in the case of edit, it makes sense... since edit is definitely a Latin-derived word.

That's right. And "editieren" is often used here (which clearly derives from Latin) as well, but mostly in a EDP context. However, to get to the "edit"-menu I have to press alt+B (for "Bearbeiten").

I'm not so sure on file.

I think that also derives from a Latin word (filum). But it's "Datei" in german. So that's why I have to use alt+D. ;)

At 5/22/08 10:22 PM, Buster1 wrote: sorry for acting like i am a noob but what is this thread about?

Drama, mostly.

... (which is not what it was fuckin' intended for, I might add, when I created it...)

This thread is ALSO (and originally) about...

this:

http://home.comcast.net/~gfoxcook/WIHTli st.html

At 5/22/08 11:54 PM, ReconRebel wrote:

At 5/22/08 09:47 PM, gfoxcook wrote: Has Recon? Or spancker? Or lightning? Or leeboy? or Xkwizitone?

What about Mary Ellen, Jim Bob or John-Boy? Damn! I'm having flashbacks of The Waltons again!

LOL!

"Goodnight, John-Boy!"

I don't remember a damned thing about that show except the goodnights at the end.

At 5/22/08 10:19 PM, NEVR wrote: The fact remains that enough people feel (or have felt) that the current members have done enough here to warrant them being a part of the list. That's good enough for me.

Couldn't have said it better myself NEVR. People will always have their own opinions about the election results (including myself) but if they get voted in, so be it. That's the way it's always worked around here.

Hear, hear (to both of yas).

..... and you're still using my sig. ^_~

UH OH. MORE DRAMA (but a better variety).

FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!

At 5/23/08 03:31 AM, Haggard wrote: I tried to get used to FF a few times (because greater knowledge of browsers is always a good thing), but it just doesn't feel right... for every little bit I need a new plugin. That's really annoying.

Heh, I know what you mean. I have 0 plugins for Opera (though I know you can use them), but I have like 6 for Firefox. To be fair, however, I only think two or three plugins are really all that necessary for FireFox. The rest I have just because they're fun.

Top 3... scratch that... Top *2* Important Firefox plugins:

Adblock Plus
NoScript

That's right. And "editieren" is often used here (which clearly derives from Latin) as well, but mostly in a EDP context. However, to get to the "edit"-menu I have to press alt+B (for "Bearbeiten").

That's messed up. GERMAN WORD FOR EDIT BEGINS WITH E, BUT YOU PRESS B INSTEAD FOR ANOTHER GERMAN WORD HAVING TO DO WITH EDITING. I get it, I get it. #;-}>

Of course, in England and America, this is how the shortcut alt+_ letters go on our Opera menubars:

File Edit View Bookmarks Widgets Tools Help

I think that also derives from a Latin word (filum). But it's "Datei" in german. So that's why I have to use alt+D. ;)

I was leaning towards Latin as well, but I wasn't positive. Ahhh, data-derived menu title in German.... fascinating!

And of course, I know German has SOME Latin-derived words, but I was under the impression you have far less than English, since English is supposed to be half Germanic + half Latinate together, which would make it by definition more Latinate than German is. #;-}>

I'm sure Spanish, French, and Italian have more than English does, in turn.

English does have quite a few words derived from Latin. Not as many as Dutch, but the absolute 'winners' are indeed Spanish, Italian and French. With Italian on top, I'd say, but my Italian knowledge is very restrained. I've done 6 years of Latin though... Oh god...

At 5/22/08 09:13 PM, NEVR wrote: I've waited 17 hours and nobody has posted, so I'm taking the 1,000th reply. Sorry :)

Haha. I was thinking of taking that 1000th reply, but I thought "No, gfox must take it!" Damn you NEVR! You should have NEVR (lol) done that.

At 5/22/08 09:44 PM, gfoxcook wrote:

At 5/20/08 05:01 PM, Bahamut wrote: So you've got a problem with what I say and where I post in this forum? I could say what I don't like about you here, but I won't. I don't like being bitter towards users in this forum.

I didn't think he was talking about you specifically, but I guess I was wrong. Thanks for handling his criticism with maturity, man.

Bonus was pretty lucky this time. Usually, I'm often harsh to those who criticise me, but I've managed to refrain myself from causing a massive argument with him. And I know he didn't talk about me specifically, but I did ask what he thought about me. Then he shared his thoughts on why I shouldn't have been a member back then.

Flash also needs right-clicking.

FT low-quality-selector W!

By Flash, I meant making the damn movies.

You think so? When did you think that Golden Age end? Others have said Early 2005, so I wonder what you think.

I don't think it has a precise end.

So it was before I came here.

But didn't that incident killed much of his interest in NG? I recall him claiming that.

He wasn't around much before it, either. He wasn't around at ALL after it. So sure, it did.

He seemed to be pretty active when I was around, or do you mean well before I came here? That I can understand.

D0GMA?

Also wasn't around as much BEFORE the incident as back in 2003-2004.

Same for SK, it seemed active back in early 2005. I remember D0GMA posting a lot when I first came here.

But if it leads me to getting a job at the place I'm at now, I think it's worth it.

I was more talking about AFTER you get it, though.

Oh...But still, if I got the job, I'd be fucking happy.

I was actually referring to the Playstation Tomb Raider games and not Anniversary for the Wii.

I figured as much, but the only steering wheel I have is for the Wii, so I changed the subject to the Wii Wheel + the Anniversary Wii edition of TR, yes. #;-}>

I assume you've got Anniversary for the Wii. What do you think of it?

At 5/22/08 09:47 PM, gfoxcook wrote: True enough, but listen to my truth as well, and understand that if you're angry about the election of Bahamut in particular, maybe you've got personal issues with him that you need to work through.

Well, I don't have any problems with Bonus (except for this argument, of course). Not sure what he doesn't like about me, besides the member election.

Denvish is a lol-inducing mod nowadays, a very funny guy, i wish he was around here to liven things up

Which forums is he modding on (visibly, I mean)? Cause it sure ain't this one.

Flash?

At 5/21/08 06:58 PM, Bahamut wrote:

At 5/21/08 01:42 PM, Casualty wrote: And he's ready to take over the 2x10k+ list towards the end of the month which is umh... The biggest list on the site?

I wouldn't call it the biggest list. Although the NG Log has ranking lists that show only the top 200, the site contains more users than the Pentalist does.

Biggest to-this-point-manually-made list?

Well yes, it was the biggest manually made list, but mine aren't gonna be manual. ;)

At 5/22/08 03:55 AM, NEVR wrote: I believe he means that Bahamut took up managing the regulars list after he got elected as a member. Even though that is the case, he's still doing a good deal for the forum IMO.

As does any other member we've elected.

And BTW, Bonus, the fact that Bahamut only now is starting to do tons of lists, and has been active on the forum EVER since his election.... to me is a valuable thing about his membership.

I really appreciate the support I'm getting from you and NEVR. :')

There have been plenty of members who have disappeared off the face of the earth. That doesn't make me regret electing them, but Bahamut is certainly doing more right now than they are... right now... isn't he?

...I'll have to get back this tomorrow. It's 3:40AM now and I better get some rest. I would have started replying here sooner, but I had too much fun toying around with the Beta features on Last.fm. Oh well. XP