At 8/1/12 09:45 PM, Wavepad wrote: Josh should stay.But he is not the best Commentary person, Jerry Lawler is!

Jerry Lawler is one of the greats, but he's sort of lost his touch and he doesn't work well with Michael Cole. I guess I was one of the few who like Booker T on commentary, I thought he worked well with Michael Cole, even though it would never come close to the Michael Cole and Tazz duo.

At 8/1/12 12:34 AM, The-Great-One wrote: I thought the 3-Hour RAW was really good. I was entertained for a majority of it. It will be nice to see Booker T in a new spot on SmackDown. I would like to see Josh Matthews off of the announce table to be honest.

After Punk was off my TV I didn't care, and apparently the reaction in the building to the show, and Punk wasn't great either. WWE is absolutely retarded to turn him now and the only thing I can think of for doing it is another petulant "you WILL like John Cena because we told you to!"

At least I've still got a reliable source to finish up getting old ECW...really watching stuff that good makes me realize just how far the WWE product has fallen. Absolutely a joke these days.

At 8/2/12 01:02 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: After Punk was off my TV I didn't care, and apparently the reaction in the building to the show, and Punk wasn't great either. WWE is absolutely retarded to turn him now and the only thing I can think of for doing it is another petulant "you WILL like John Cena because we told you to!"

At least I've still got a reliable source to finish up getting old ECW...really watching stuff that good makes me realize just how far the WWE product has fallen. Absolutely a joke these days.

I'll be the one to say it sure. WCW and ECW both had better products than WWF. They were both fantastic. The only difference was mainly with budgets and people in charge. Vince McMahon just has a mind for wrestling, but he seems to be slowly becoming detached from it in a way. WWE stopped being about wrestling and is more about being connected with the online community more than anything else.

I don't think it is the right time to turn CM Punk heel either and to do so for the sole purpose of trying to make John Cena more of a Face, which isn't gonna work... you will have your Cena fans and haters, plain and simple. They need to do something else with John Cena, if they wanna keep him a Face, then fine, but they need to change something, John Cena needs to adapt somehow.

All in all though, I still enjoy watching RAW, the Top 5 I listed are the wrestlers who keep me coming back, and AJ... is the only one on the roster at this time who is completely unpredictable, but then again now that she's a GM that might change... hopefully not.

It's funny how NXT is like my favourite WWE product right now JUST for the Regal/JR commentary team.

At 8/1/12 11:01 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Jerry Lawler is one of the greats, but he's sort of lost his touch and he doesn't work well with Michael Cole. I guess I was one of the few who like Booker T on commentary, I thought he worked well with Michael Cole, even though it would never come close to the Michael Cole and Tazz duo.

Tazz was a good person for Commentary for Cole,they were a good duo.
BUT,the best duo was Jerry and JR. Nuff said

At 8/2/12 09:07 AM, Wavepad wrote: Tazz was a good person for Commentary for Cole,they were a good duo.
BUT,the best duo was Jerry and JR. Nuff said

Gorilla Monsoon and Bobby Heenan were the two best on commentary. Also Eric Bischoff and Bobby Heenan weren't too bad on WCW either. My favorite commentators though were Tony Schiavone and Joey Styles.

At 8/4/12 02:33 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: Vince needs to fire the entire creative team.

There are some creative things, but it's obvious that they don't care about Smackdown anymore. Once I saw them meld the two rosters together I knew that all the focus would be on RAW and Smackdown would only serve as a "RAW Recap" pretty much. WCW did the same thing with Thunder, but the difference being that Thunder was still good.

I watched this past weeks Smackdown and I have to ask, why is Teddy Long still here? He's just a waste of space now. There is no purpose in him being here. His time has come and gone. I also believe the only reasons that AJ and Booker T are the General Managers right now is because of the creative team. They could have done a lot better. Paul Heyman as a GM to settle lawsuits would have been a beautiful choice, but no... things just didn't play out that way. I don't think I'll be watching anymore Smackdown, because there's no point. The only reasons I'm still watching wrestling is for Sheamus, Alberto Del Rio, and to see what else AJ is gonna do next.

TNA is SO much better, I've almost given up on shitty ass fucking WWE.

Never watched much TNA.

At 8/4/12 02:33 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: Vince needs to fire the entire creative team.

Starting with himself. Also remembering that they BOOK WRESTLING not "write a variety show" would help too...

Kind of a waste of time, just saying. And it kills me that WWE has all the power in the world to make things great and entertaining, but they choose not to.

The problem is that your getting what Vince McMahon BELIEVES is entertaining and innovative and blah blah blah...the problem is obviously that you're one of those idiot wrestling fans that thinks that bullshit in the ring matters. Why, that's just the come on to get you to come see their amazing angles and storylines. It's fucking pathetic that last year we thought the company had turned it around and now for so many of us it seems that all hope is gone...

At 8/4/12 02:33 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: TNA is SO much better, I've almost given up on shitty ass fucking WWE.

TNA aka Impact Wrestling is better becuase there is cursing,more blood,WAY more drama.

At 8/5/12 09:52 AM, Wavepad wrote:

At 8/4/12 02:33 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: TNA is SO much better, I've almost given up on shitty ass fucking WWE.

TNA aka Impact Wrestling is better becuase there is cursing,more blood,WAY more drama.

What Vince must understand is that the majority of the male adults will not cheer for Cena no matter how hard he tries to build him. But for one reason or another, that is the point that he refuses to understand. As it stands, Vince thinks that he can make the fans like Cena because he tells them to, well, that is never going to happen!

At 8/5/12 10:15 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: But for one reason or another, that is the point that he refuses to understand. As it stands, Vince thinks that he can make the fans like Cena because he tells them to, well, that is never going to happen!

Sooner or later Vince will hit rock bottom.

At 8/5/12 01:23 PM, SCTE3 wrote: The only part I found to be entirely entertaining was the Sheamus and Tensai match which seemed to go over well and seeing Eve get denied a position seeing as she abused her power last time anyways.

Im being honest here Eve does not deserve to be in that spot Teddy Long does reasons why is
because Eve almost got The Big Show Fired.Big Show may be a fag now but he was a really good wrestler.
He won almost all the titles in WCW and WWE.Which makes Big Show hold a record that maybe will never be broken.
Since Eve did that I said "Nah she doesn't deserve the job even with John Laranightus".Teddy on The other hand has been
in charge of Smackdown more then 6 years and made it an amazing show for the WWE Universe.Love it or Hate it.He was an amazing GM.

Booker T also did a nice job on Smackdown today with putting Sheamus in a match with Tensai (A great match since we are seeing Sheamus get out powered before),And putting Alberto Del Rio Face Randy Orton.Randy now looks better without his beard now.He looks young now.

At 8/2/12 07:44 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: It's funny how NXT is like my favourite WWE product right now JUST for the Regal/JR commentary team.

Regal is for Commentary?Wow Im confused since I never seen an episode
of NXT because NXT took out ECW and ECW was awesome,especially with Christian.

At 8/5/12 10:15 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: What Vince must understand is that the majority of the male adults will not cheer for Cena no matter how hard he tries to build him.

Vince doesn't care for several reasons:

1. Cena sells merch in a shitty time for them as they continue to lose money.

2. Cena is good for the kid friendly push and marketing they want to push. They make most of their money now from the Mattel type deals and shit, characters like Cena are the lynch pin of that.

3. They don't give a FUCK what any of us think. Not even a little, we aren't the audience they want anymore.

But for one reason or another, that is the point that he refuses to understand.

I stated the reasons...this is difficult for hardcores to get...but this is the reality of things.

As it stands, Vince thinks that he can make the fans like Cena because he tells them to, well, that is never going to happen!

But he knows better then us! I mean...Vince has always been a little bent...but more and more I'm starting to think that he's starting to get something seriously wrong with him (senility or some such) since he seems hell bent on sticking to a direction that doesn't work, and ideas that are beyond stale. Or it may just be that if WCW hadn't started kicking his ass, then he would have happily driven his company into bankruptcy on the back of that "New Generation" crap.

At 8/6/12 12:37 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: But he knows better then us! I mean...Vince has always been a little bent...but more and more I'm starting to think that he's starting to get something seriously wrong with him (senility or some such) since he seems hell bent on sticking to a direction that doesn't work, and ideas that are beyond stale. Or it may just be that if WCW hadn't started kicking his ass, then he would have happily driven his company into bankruptcy on the back of that "New Generation" crap.

I really wonder why he chooses to continue this program being PG. It's clearly not working and it's painfully obvious that they're losing more fans than gaining.

WWE isn't meant for PG, it just doesn't work. There's no excitement anymore and they've now prevented themselves from making anything really enjoyable for those who are used to the days of the attitude era. Targeting kids has got to be the worst idea ever, considering what the WWE is all about.

I wouldn't doubt if Vince is going senile. No wonder Batista left, not even he can put up with it.

The thing is, if Punk does have some influence in the business, and given he doesn't seem like a yesman like Cena supposedly is, he WILLINGLY went along with this stupid heel turn. Nothing against Punk as a heel, because we all know he plays both sides very well, but the timing absolutely SUCKS, and I'll have to actually question Punk's judgment, here - something I didn't think I'd ever say.

On the flip side, absolutely digging face Jericho. Granted, the fans turned him, but still, it was a smooth transition, and an obvious break was needed from his heel persona.

Took Barrett long enough. Saw the new look the other day; it works pretty well.

.....Skip really needs to start wearing an eyepatch over that left eye. Seriously, that's the 2nd time in about a 2-month span that he's fucked it up. Not that it's fucked with his performance any, but geez, he's really gotta be careful. :/

Booker did better in one night as GM than he's done in a goddamn YEAR as a commentator. And now Josh has a little more wiggle room at ringside, too. I like Teddy, but him still being there is rather pointless now. Regardless, SD now has a GM who can fight back when necessary.

Y'know, after following it for the last 2 weeks, Impact hasn't quite as bad as I'd feared. Granted, it's still run by morons, but the actual matches are great, and the storylines aren't THAT dumb.........at least not at the moment.

ROH has been good, too. Dunno how many of you guys can get it on TV, though.

At 8/6/12 08:30 PM, mothballs wrote: I wouldn't doubt if Vince is going senile. No wonder Batista left, not even he can put up with it.

Batista=Ryback

WWE UPDATE

Let's start from the top. AJ comes down and announces the different matches. I liked how she let the WWE choose CM Punk's opponent to start the night off. Rey Mysterio did a good job.

The Randy Orton and Big Show match I thought was a bit boring to be honest. The Miz vs. Kane was pretty good. I hate that Kelly Kelly is back, I cannot stand her as a wrestler at all.

John Cena vs. Daniel Bryan, that was awesome.

Alberto Del Rio vs. Christian was good as well. An unclean finish, but that's what is expected of heels, so I was happy to see Alberto win. I'm also enjoying the feud between Sheamus and Alberto Del Rio. A lot more entertaining than the blandness of John Cena.

Also Triple H and Brock Lesnar. I've always enjoyed Paul Heyman and Brock Lesnar together, always. They are an amazing duo. However this whole ordeal with him and Triple H and now they're throwing Shawn Michaels into it, because they can't fucking think is just sad. I've heard a rumor that this upcoming SummerSlam and the next WrestleMania are Brock's last contracted events, which I think is sad.

Bringing Brock Lesnar back was a pretty damn good idea and opened up a lot of possibilities. We then went onward to have a small "feud" with Lesnar and John Cena. Which at Extreme Rules, they're match was not only brutal, but a treat to watch (that's just my opinion though). Then we see lawsuits happening and Paul Heyman came back. I was hoping there would be much ado about Lesnar, but sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. Also why Triple H?

Some people are saying that we're gonna get a Goldberg vs. Brock Lesnar match come WrestleMania 29. A legit one, without Stone Cold Steve Austin being the special guest referee or any other bullshit. How that will turn out I don't know. All I know is this, they are wasting good talent with Brock Lesnar.

When it comes to Lesnar you know what match I would make?

Brock Lesnar vs. Randy Orton

That could build a wonderful feud and an outstanding match-up. Oh and one last thing, when are they gonna do something with Ryback?

TGO's Top 5 Best
1. Sheamus
2. Alberto Del Rio
3. Chris Jericho
4. Dolph Ziggler
5. The Miz

TGO's Top 5 Worst
1. The Rock
2. Kofi Kingston/R-Truth
3. The Prime Time Players
4. John Cena
5. Triple H/Brock Lesnar

At 8/7/12 11:53 AM, Wavepad wrote:

At 8/6/12 08:30 PM, mothballs wrote: I wouldn't doubt if Vince is going senile. No wonder Batista left, not even he can put up with it.

Batista=Ryback

Lol, no; two different people.

At 8/8/12 12:08 AM, Swackman wrote: Lol, no; two different people.

I think he meant that Ryback is Batista's replacement. Which I don't get why WWE tries to replace wrestlers and recreate stuff. Like what they're doing with Brodus Clay, trying to replace The Junkyard Dog which will never happen.

At 8/8/12 12:37 AM, The-Great-One wrote: I think he meant that Ryback is Batista's replacement. Which I don't get why WWE tries to replace wrestlers and recreate stuff. Like what they're doing with Brodus Clay, trying to replace The Junkyard Dog which will never happen.

Ryback is a better worker I think, but without seeing more of what the guy can do as a character, I have to say Batista was a better character.

Brodus Clay is an attempt to redo Flash Funk...which was a horrible fucking idea to begin with...how you have 2 Cold Scorpio under contract and never really use him...

As far as Lesnar? Yeah...you're paying this guy six figures, you got a hell of a buzz and a bout with Cena...but the limited dates is killing it, which is something they can't control (but they can control doing nothing interesting in the mean time). But this Triple H thing? My God! This has been awful. They have made Lesnar look like a puss, they've made H look like a beast (as usual) and really? Why would I want to watch the match at this point? Lesnar is living off the fact that he broke H's arm when H wasn't ready for him, but every time we've seen them together since, where H IS ready for him...well, H runs him off. So why should I believe an actual throw down can have any outcome other then H going over? Bad, bad booking...and this leads to what? Rock vs. Lesnar at Mania? Jesus, no thanks. It's well past time to start having these guys lay down and make the next generation already.

At 8/8/12 01:06 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Rock vs. Lesnar at Mania? Jesus, no thanks. It's well past time to start having these guys lay down and make the next generation already.

Oh please no! I do not want to see The Rock vs. Brock Lesnar at WrestleMania. I admit that bringing Brock Lesnar back is a good idea. However The Rock really hasn't put up, but he certainly doesn't seem to be shutting up anytime soon.

At 8/8/12 12:37 AM, The-Great-One wrote: I think he meant that Ryback is Batista's replacement. Which I don't get why WWE tries to replace wrestlers and recreate stuff. Like what they're doing with Brodus Clay, trying to replace The Junkyard Dog which will never happen.

No one can replace Edge...

Looks like the PG Era will be staying put for quite a while.

In other news: Way to piss everybody off, Kevin. >:/

At 8/8/12 12:37 AM, The-Great-One wrote:

At 8/8/12 12:08 AM, Swackman wrote: Lol, no; two different people.

I think he meant that Ryback is Batista's replacement. Which I don't get why WWE tries to replace wrestlers and recreate stuff. Like what they're doing with Brodus Clay, trying to replace The Junkyard Dog which will never happen.

Ah, ok. In which case, maybe that's why Mason Ryan disappeared again; he was set to be a part of AW's stable, and then he just vanished......maybe they figured a guy that doesn't look so blatantly like Batista would make a better 'replacement' for him.

My favorite wrestler is Billy Herrington.

At 8/11/12 08:55 AM, bhsqad15 wrote: A.W Released from WWE

YES! YES! YES!

At 8/11/12 08:55 AM, bhsqad15 wrote: A.W Released from WWE

I bet Prime Time Players are going to change now
without A.W ether way they were getting really annoying
with their "Millions of Dollars Taunt".A.W almost got WWE Sued
becuase of his comment about Kobe Bryant at Colorado.Jeez.
Wonder if he sleeps with that microphone and talks into it and has
trouble sleeping.

Booker T has been doing a swell job with Smackdown.
Finally,for the first time I was almost at the part of seeing a Pay-Per-View
match come early.I mean we never see that happen usually they just do a
little fight but seriously this time a GM listens to the people for it and it was so
close to happening but the cops come out of nowhere I was suprised seeing that
despite the fact I barely saw a Raw on Monday then I figure out that Sheamus stole
Del Rio's Car.Perfect.Ether way it was a nice job putting SIn Cara Face Cody Rhodes,
and putting Jerichio's Highlight reel on.Just thought it was fucked up of Vickie bitch slapped
Chris.Booker T is a really nice GM.He was ok as commentary but this was better.

Summer slam Predictions.

Kane vs Daniel Bryan

CM Punk Vs John Cena vs Big Show

Del Rio vs Sheamus

Jericho vs Dolph Ziggler

I seriously think that I forgot a match.

At 8/8/12 12:37 AM, The-Great-One wrote:

At 8/8/12 12:08 AM, Swackman wrote: Lol, no; two different people.

I think he meant that Ryback is Batista's replacement. Which I don't get why WWE tries to replace wrestlers and recreate stuff. Like what they're doing with Brodus Clay, trying to replace The Junkyard Dog which will never happen.

Yeah this is what I meant