At 11/16/11 09:54 PM, LordKooler wrote: Place 2007 John Cena in 2000 WWE and he would have had better matches with everyone HHH wrestled that year.
Nah, I can count on one hand the number of good Cena matches he's had. With the exception of Khali...that's been because, shock of shocks, he's wrestled really good opponents. So wait, maybe Cena would have had great matches in 2000 with all Triple H's opponents...it's just that I don't know how much of the credit for that you'd honestly give John Cena.
For one, John Cena had a better match with Wade Barrett than Jericho did.
Because John Cena and Barrett were actually having a PROGRAM and allowed TIME to have a great match. Barrett and Jericho had what, one match on TV, 10 minutes total including entrances? Wow, what a great and fair comparison that was *eye roll*
John Cena had better matches with both CM Punk and Shawn Michaels.
Punk is because again, difference in terms of what the matches were promoted as, and consequently got more time (notice how I keep having these important qualifiers you seem to like leaving off?) then Jericho and Punk would (since at any time they worked Punk was being treated as something like a mid-card after thought).
I would rate Cena/HBK from the 4/23/2007 episode of RAW above all the Jericho/HBK matches.
I wouldn't. They had a really good match, one of the rare 1 hour contests that doesn't bore me (seriously, I'm sick of people cumming their pants because two guys can work an hour...work an ENTERTAINING hour and then we'll talk!). Otherwise, not impressed. The totality of Jericho/Michaels is world's better then one match. I'd certainly rather go back and watch that, than one Cena/Michaels match...but I appear to be the odd duck on the internet in that I think the only things truly worth going back and watching over and over are well executed feuds and series of matches. Just laying cards and personal bias's on the table.
When compared to both Shawn Michaels and The Undertaker, Rey Mysterio had more good matches and less bad matches than those two and is more adaptable.
Bullshit. You're also completely missing the "drawing money" qualifier again. I know, I know this is a dirty word for the internet marks because then you have to admit Hulk Hogan actually deserves to be thought of as a big legend (even if he is a douchebag who flushed his credibility totally and completely years ago). But Mysterio as adaptable? Bullshit. He relies on that wholly contrived 619 way too much and as his knees have gone to hell he's become increasingly more formulaic and predictable. Taker is working on a replaced hip and his shoulder hung by a thread at this year's Mania and he outworked EVERYBODY on that card with H. That says Taker winds on adaptability. Do I even need to go over the laundry list of injuries Michaels came back from to be one of the greatest performers of all time (including a place in at least the top 5 of all time mechanics)? Don't get me wrong, I like Mysterio....but it'd be like me trying to say that this year's Baltimore Ravens are better then the Packers or 49ers. It's just not something that observation of games played, stats racked, etc. is going to let that assertion stand up.
Rey in main events is usually a breath of fresh air and the promos he cut during his feud against CM Punk from 2010 is proof that Rey is capable of cutting good promos.
Uh huh...but not proof he draws money on top. He's been world champion twice, show me a spike in buyrates, show me merch moved, show me where Rey MADE MORE MONEY then Taker or HBK! Show it to me! Then show me where he's done it over a longer period then they did...oh right, can't be done.
Simply put, Rey was one of the best wrestlers of the last decade.
Oh sure, that I will totally and completely give you...I just won't give you that he's better then two of the greatest to have ever lived.