At 10/2/11 03:46 AM, Ryanson wrote:

At 10/1/11 11:12 PM, Shaun wrote: I wouldn't like to see it get any more time then it is already getting.
Without a KharmA/Jazz/Chyna type woman in the mix the divas division isn't interesting.

I just feel bad for all the girls under contract who barely, if ever, get a match on TV.

They are getting a good pay check. I wouldn't feel sorry for them at all.
Get to wrestle at house shows and fcw or whatever.

At 10/2/11 04:46 AM, Shaun wrote:

At 10/2/11 03:46 AM, Ryanson wrote:

At 10/1/11 11:12 PM, Shaun wrote: I wouldn't like to see it get any more time then it is already getting.
Without a KharmA/Jazz/Chyna type woman in the mix the divas division isn't interesting.

I just feel bad for all the girls under contract who barely, if ever, get a match on TV.

They are getting a good pay check. I wouldn't feel sorry for them at all.
Get to wrestle at house shows and fcw or whatever.

Whatever happened to Kharma anyway? She was making a big debut then, poof, gone.

...I know what happened, but I mean when is she coming back? She had so much build up.

At 10/2/11 05:08 AM, Ryanson wrote: ...I know what happened, but I mean when is she coming back? She had so much build up.

She is pregnant, at least nine months.. she might not be back for quite a while with a baby to look after.

At 10/1/11 08:05 AM, Shaun wrote: John Morrison is terrible on the mic, yes.
But you don't need to be golden on the microphone to be a main eventer. Alberto Del Rio is pretty dull but he is WWE champion. He has a good character and is rather impressive in the ring.

You don't have to be golden on the mic to be a main eventer, but you need to be above average on the mic which JoMo is not. As for ADR, I've found him quite entertaining on the mic.

That isn't that only thing holding him back though, his matches are terrible.
He can't carry a wrestler to a good match, he has two or three spots in a match and thats all.

JoMo can wrestle, while he is not the best wrestler in the company, he is one of a few guys who can wrestle. I have been so wrestlers who are far worse than JoMo in the ring being the WWE champion. So for him, it is the matter of improving his mic skills rather than his in-ring skills.

Ziggler is where it is at for future main eventers. Can cut a promo. Can carry a match.
Worst name though. Ziggler. Ugh.

I am not a fan of Ziggler, watching him still remains me his Spirit Squad days. While he has improved a lot, I don't think that he is ready to be a world champion yet. First thing first, the WWE needs to end the Vickie storyline ASAP, Ziggler is going nowhere with that storyline.

At 10/2/11 06:02 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:

I am not a fan of Ziggler, watching him still remains me his Spirit Squad days. While he has improved a lot, I don't think that he is ready to be a world champion yet. First thing first, the WWE needs to end the Vickie storyline ASAP, Ziggler is going nowhere with that storyline.

Right now, Dolph is in the transition point where it looks like he doesn't need a manager. And he has a lot of skill and charisma, if you read his tweets he usually is pretty much awesome especially in full on heel mode. Problem is, WWE isn't giving him the chance because they think he needs more heat from being associated with Vickie. Also, he can be a world champion, and by world champion you mean champion for more than one day, because technically he has been a world champion.

And the fact that Ziggler is on RAW does not help either considering that he is the No.4 heel of the show behind ADR, the Miz and R-Truth.

Good Closing angle, idiotic Cell finish on the RAW side. It also seems completely counter productive to what I understand their plans to be...but then again, they've probably decided to change them again (especially since they leaked to the net).

I swear, how long before this company just completes the death spiral and the "what went wrong?" books and shit start popping up.

At 10/3/11 12:28 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: I swear, how long before this company just completes the death spiral and the "what went wrong?" books and shit start popping up.

Years, many years.

HIAC was good, surprised ADR won.. I guess thats for the mexico tour.. but why not just keep the title on him instead of giving cena another 2 week title run -_-

IC title belt looks sweet. Even if it was a completely random match.

Mark Henry won which is good.. but it looks like orton vs henry will continue.. thought it would go on to Henry vs Sheamus.

At 10/3/11 12:44 AM, Shaun wrote: Mark Henry won which is good.. but it looks like orton vs henry will continue.. thought it would go on to Henry vs Sheamus.

I'm liking Sheamus's direction.

It's not just because he and I are both redheads. After KotR he was being wasted as a talent. Now they've built him up again. Why didn't he go against Mark Henry? Wasn't it established he could do some damage to him?

Maybe he'll go next.

At 10/3/11 03:02 AM, Ryanson wrote:

At 10/3/11 12:44 AM, Shaun wrote: Mark Henry won which is good.. but it looks like orton vs henry will continue.. thought it would go on to Henry vs Sheamus.

Well, let's hope that they are saving Sheamus vs Henry for the SS.

I'm liking Sheamus's direction.

Yea, after the losing streak earlier this year, it is good that the WWE are pushing him again. Even though he can still do a lot better on the mic, he is pretty solid in the ring and he has found his momentum back in the face run.

The Hell in a Cell PPV was pretty entertaining in my opinion. The Hell in A Cell matches were not really intense and can't be compared to the ones in the past, but they were okay.
I liked the match between the two Sin Caras and I am glad that they let win the original one, although I like the black Sin Cara attire more. Maybe we can see more matches between those two in the future. I would welcome it if they keep Hunico.
The match between Christian and Sheamus was pretty decent, but they didn't work as well together as I thought. Still entertaining enough.
Also a nice performance from Mark Henry and Randy Orton, a good improvement in comparison to their first match at Night of Champions. This monster heel role is amazingly well played by Mark Henry and I am glad that he gets his well deserved title run.
Surprising to see the old design for the Intercontinetal title back, hopefully that means that the midcard titles will be more important in the future. I feel quite old now for being able to remember that old design.
Good to see that Alberto Del Rio has the WWE title back, although it was rather questionable to give Cena yet another short reign with it. If it continues like that, then he will retire with 30 or even more reigns. To me, longer reigns are more impressive than the amounts of title reigns. Everytime someone wins it again means that he has lost the title before. It was quite creative to lock Cena out of the Cell and I am thankful that CM Punk was portrayed as strong competitor.
The ending was pretty intense, although I am a bit concerned that so much spotlight is on Triple H in this storyline, but maybe it will end out good, so far the storyline was pretty great.
So all in all it was pretty enjoyable and I am looking forward to the future of the WWE.

At 10/3/11 12:44 AM, Shaun wrote:

At 10/3/11 12:28 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: I swear, how long before this company just completes the death spiral and the "what went wrong?" books and shit start popping up.

Years, many years.

HIAC was good, surprised ADR won.. I guess thats for the mexico tour.. but why not just keep the title on him instead of giving cena another 2 week title run -_-

Because Cena needs to be in the Main event for ever and ever amen. so they have to keep him in the main event.... hell, I was surprised that Punk HHH was the last match on the card for NoC because that didn't have Cena in it at all.

At 10/3/11 12:44 AM, Shaun wrote: HIAC was good, surprised ADR won.. I guess thats for the mexico tour.. but why not just keep the title on him instead of giving cena another 2 week title run -_-

The only reasons I can think of (and bear in mind, I am not saying they are good or logical reasons) are because they wanted the story of him being a 10 time champion (the lying for the last two weeks and acting like nobody else has ever done that, though two guys on good terms with the company have either matched that number or exceeded it), and they just didn't want him going into the Cell match without the belt, because that would have been two main event matches in a row he doesn't win, and oh no, we can't have that. I also don't understand how it helps ADR to have twice won the belt via cheating and all that. I think it's just proof that sometimes they aren't neutering guys on purpose, it's just that they don't know how to use anybody other then Cena or Orton meaningfully long term.

IC title belt looks sweet. Even if it was a completely random match.

I really really like it. That's the IC Belt I grew up with, so very cool to see that back. I also think it fit's Cody's overall history and character arc in WWE. The video on WWE.com helps explain that nicely (and hopefully something similar makes TV). Cody is the guy who sees himself as apart, and better then anyone else who has ever accomplished whatever he's accomplished in WWE. Also if, you're going to build a guy up, you need to build a guy up. This is the right way to do it, take your time, make him a player slowly, and if he warrants it, bring him up higher.

Mark Henry won which is good.. but it looks like orton vs henry will continue.. thought it would go on to Henry vs Sheamus.

It still can. I'm fine with another round of Orton vs. Henry, though at this point it might be better to have that on TV and get it over with. If Henry beats Orton three in a row, it further cements what a monster Henry is, and can again help whoever it is that finally takes that belt from him to be seen as a player immediately.

ok guys i missed it tonight, but i've been reading about it a bit on /sp/. What the hell happened?

At 10/3/11 11:16 PM, SCTE3 wrote:

At 10/3/11 11:12 PM, kill343guiltyspark wrote: ok guys i missed it tonight, but i've been reading about it a bit on /sp/. What the hell happened?

Everyone.... walked out.... on Triple H.....

start of a new era maybe?

I'm not watching wrestling anymore.
Nothing to do with what happened. Sounds rather interesting.
Just scheduling problems. No time.

It's been fun.

At 10/4/11 02:14 AM, Shaun wrote: It's been fun.

Sorry to hear that. Always sad when people get away from it.

Although can certainly understand it when they give us shows like this. My God that was the epitome of throwaway and I dearly want this garbage at the top of the card over and done with already. H doesn't wrestle, why is all this time being used on a non-wrestler? They wonder why things are in the shitter, this is WHY!!!

I can only pray that next week the massive push of CM Punk I'm hearing about (oh it's coming, thank you to everybody who bought merch along with me!!! We did it guys, this is absolutely because he rivals Cena for merch sales now, and does it in our demographic which Cena sells for shit in) starts up, because my God shows like this really test my patience and make me wonder why I bother.

At 10/4/11 02:33 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 10/4/11 02:14 AM, Shaun wrote: It's been fun.

Sorry to hear that. Always sad when people get away from it.

I just got back into it a while back, right when Edge and Kane's awful feud was wrapping up. The athleticism and the hammy, over-the-top acting is so fun to watch.

I loved Edge, and got back into him JUST AS HE RETIRED. It was incredibly sad.

Although can certainly understand it when they give us shows like this. My

I can only pray that next week the massive push of CM Punk I'm hearing about (oh it's coming, thank you to everybody who bought merch along with me!!! We did it guys, this is absolutely because he rivals Cena for merch sales now, and does it in our demographic which Cena sells for shit in) starts up, because my God shows like this really test my patience and make me wonder why I bother.

Wasn't this similar to how WWE was before the Attitude era? More attempts at story than there were at wrestling?

Wow, Wade Barrett made an appearance in a talking segment , bravo!
It saddens me how fast this guy has fallen in the past year. Last October, he was feuding with Orton for the WWE title, now he even cannot get any air time on SD!, let alone having a match in a PPV.

At 10/4/11 12:26 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Last night after the show ended...

Are you serious bro?!

I'm not gonna lie, the whole "no confidence" segment was pretty cool. In a "breaking the 4th wall" kind of way.

So, what, does that mean they're getting close to wrapping up the whole COO storyline? Cause it's kinda been boring and done since the end of NOC.

At 10/4/11 10:46 PM, Porkchop wrote: I'm not gonna lie, the whole "no confidence" segment was pretty cool. In a "breaking the 4th wall" kind of way.

So, what, does that mean they're getting close to wrapping up the whole COO storyline? Cause it's kinda been boring and done since the end of NOC.

Knowing Vince, he will drag the storyline all the way to WM and have HHH wrestling against Kevin Nash there. :-|

"Hey Jinder Mahal let me help you dig that hole"

"You just lost to Santino Marella?"

*digs faster*

At 10/4/11 10:46 PM, Porkchop wrote: I'm not gonna lie, the whole "no confidence" segment was pretty cool. In a "breaking the 4th wall" kind of way.

I had the exact opposite reaction. Especially because they didn't "break the 4th wall" at all here. Every time they try things like this to "be real" it falls flat. Things like what Punk was doing before MITB are breaking the 4th goddamn wall.

So, what, does that mean they're getting close to wrapping up the whole COO storyline? Cause it's kinda been boring and done since the end of NOC.

I'm not sure. I'm given to understand that part of the impetus here is to get all the talent appeaing on SD! as a way to help bump the ratings over there. But I'm not sure what this means for RAW in all honesty. I guess just a show of top guys since none of them were part of the "walk out" and house show ads say that guys will work if H is not "in the building". We'll see.

I can see H getting stripped off the power next week on RAW with JL replacing him. Then Punk and H will probably form an ally and take on the Miz and R-Truth.

At 10/6/11 11:09 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: I can see H getting stripped off the power next week on RAW with JL replacing him. Then Punk and H will probably form an ally and take on the Miz and R-Truth.

Oh, please God no, no more Johnny Ace. He annoys me so much. Does anyone care who he's texting? It could only be Nash, Vince, Stephanie, or someone else who I really don't want to see on my screen (Maybe it's the anonymous Raw GM?).

I don't really want to see H wrestling. Miz and Truth would gain nothing by being buried by him.

At 10/6/11 12:45 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 10/4/11 10:46 PM, Porkchop wrote: I'm not gonna lie, the whole "no confidence" segment was pretty cool. In a "breaking the 4th wall" kind of way.

I had the exact opposite reaction. Especially because they didn't "break the 4th wall" at all here. Every time they try things like this to "be real" it falls flat. Things like what Punk was doing before MITB are breaking the 4th goddamn wall.

Eh. I guess I meant that it was kinda cool seeing the entire roster at least partially out of character airing out their "grievances" towards Triple H. Even if it was all in kayfabe.

So, what, does that mean they're getting close to wrapping up the whole COO storyline? Cause it's kinda been boring and done since the end of NOC.

I'm not sure. I'm given to understand that part of the impetus here is to get all the talent appeaing on SD! as a way to help bump the ratings over there. But I'm not sure what this means for RAW in all honesty. I guess just a show of top guys since none of them were part of the "walk out" and house show ads say that guys will work if H is not "in the building". We'll see.

So what, Triple H is magically not going to SD! because whatever reason? I mean, I understand the ratings bump aspect of it, but the entire thing is that nobody wants to work in an environment with Triple H. What, is this whole business with the COO just happening on Raw?

Also, read rumors of a Team Punk v Team HHH at WM earlier. I really hope it doesnt last that frickin long.

At 10/6/11 09:03 PM, Porkchop wrote: Eh. I guess I meant that it was kinda cool seeing the entire roster at least partially out of character airing out their "grievances" towards Triple H. Even if it was all in kayfabe.

The entire roster? Bullshit. None of the top guys came out. That was just Divas and mid-carders that don't matter.

So what, Triple H is magically not going to SD! because whatever reason? I mean, I understand the ratings bump aspect of it, but the entire thing is that nobody wants to work in an environment with Triple H. What, is this whole business with the COO just happening on Raw?

From what I understand they'll play up the "Triple H won't be in the building here so the guys will work" similar to what their doing on house shows.

Also, read rumors of a Team Punk v Team HHH at WM earlier. I really hope it doesnt last that frickin long.

No, no, no, no, NO! I have heard that is 100% not even on the table right now. I've heard Punk is definitely in a top singles match with the belt involved...and if the stars align right his opponent could be something truly amazing...a real crossover star...an ayatollah if you will...

At 10/6/11 12:53 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I don't really want to see H wrestling. Miz and Truth would gain nothing by being buried by him.

You don't like it? Neither do I. Well, that's probably where Vince is going since the fans don't like it.

At 10/7/11 02:49 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: No, no, no, no, NO! I have heard that is 100% not even on the table right now. I've heard Punk is definitely in a top singles match with the belt involved...and if the stars align right his opponent could be something truly amazing...a real crossover star...an ayatollah if you will...

But we'll probably have to wait until like the Rumble to see if that comes to fruition.

I want to fuck Beth Phoenix so bad omg