At 9/20/11 11:44 PM, LordKooler wrote:

At 9/20/11 11:37 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Ok, and here is where I get pissed off with some of your posting. Mark Henry is the champion of the B brand. CM Punk is challenging for the main title of the A brand. He headlined the last PPV, he is STILL involved in the top storylines on RAW, the A Brand. Punk has, and continues to draw money. Mark Henry with all due respect has not been shown to draw money or ratings. How about we pull our head out of the smart mark boards which do not seem to deal with reality, and start dealing with actual proven facts again? Pretty please?

Don't get me wrong. I am a fan of CM Punk but I feel HHH dragged him down badly in their feud and the match they had at Night Of Champions was ruined by the interferences.

It took 3 Pedigrees, a Jackknife, various interferences multiple beat downs, Miz ate a GTS, Truth ate a GTS, and it took everything for Punk to be put away. lets face it, he wasn't going to win that match, but he was SOOOO not buried... The match wasn't as good as should have been, but, HHH wasn't ring ready at that point but fuck, it was better than Punk jobbing to Nash.

Daniel Bryan is being treated like CM Punk when he initially won MITB, not used too well, and there's too much going on to REALLY fit him in. Speculation is that DBD will be the guy who becomes the first guy to lose with the MITB contract, which would be inept booking. There's nothing they have for the guy with the MITB. plus, as a gimmack, people are tired of the MITB, eventually someone has to waste the contract. But, if Henry does hold that belt till mania, he needs to drop it to Bryan. Because Mark Henry fucking blows.

At 9/20/11 11:44 PM, LordKooler wrote: Don't get me wrong. I am a fan of CM Punk but I feel HHH dragged him down badly in their feud and the match they had at Night Of Champions was ruined by the interferences.

I think there were definitely moments and situations in segments and promos that should not have happened. But I also think towards the end, especially that last face off they did right by Punk, and the match itself was a damn good brawl that made Punk look great and the interference was the best way to handle a situation where they hot shotted and had Triple H put his position on the line too soon. I know for pure workrate fans interference ruins bouts, but this is a case where the interference was justified and made sense. It helped build Miz and R-Truth a landle more, and will continue as they're storyline progresses. It also allowed Punk and H to look strong, Punk especially because he kicked out of a Pedigree, and it took another plus a Jacknife plus all the damn brawling they did beforehand to put him away. This allows them to come back to the match down the line when they actually are ready to settle it, while keeping Punk strong for his title bout. I have virtually zero complaints about the finished product of NOC, but loads of complaints about how we arrived there for certain.

That also doesn't excuse or even begin to explain the idea that Punk is an "afterthought" and Henry is somehow better. I understand Henry has been very good of late, and can mean some great watching on SD!. But when we start talking in terms more realistic and concrete of "who matters more? Who's drawing? Etc" then we have to start mentioning names and accepting that talents we may not like as much as others (or not even like at all) are pulling the wagon and our favorites are still working their way towards that level, if they ever even get there.

Like who you like, but don't elevate or devalue them in an unrealistic way. Honesty and all that :)

You know...giving the WHC to Mark Henry is probably the WWE's way of saying "thank you for all the years", I really cannot see him having a long run with the title.

At 9/22/11 11:22 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: You know...giving the WHC to Mark Henry is probably the WWE's way of saying "thank you for all the years", I really cannot see him having a long run with the title.

I can see him having a very long title reign. A dominate lengthy title reign.
Who is going to take it off him?

(Unless he gets injured -_-)

At 9/22/11 11:22 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: You know...giving the WHC to Mark Henry is probably the WWE's way of saying "thank you for all the years", I really cannot see him having a long run with the title.

15 years is a long time to be there. Granted he's missed time due to injury but the fact that he's tried to improve and was willing to do whatever WWE asked of him makes it hard to say he didn't deserve to be kept around. The way he's been built up this time makes me believe that he can be a champion and hold the title for a while. His promo work has been great and his performance has been entertaining. Why not build him as a monster champion? That way when someone finally takes him down it will be all the more meaningful. I say keep the belt on him for a while and let him destroy people.

At 9/23/11 10:58 AM, Shaun wrote: I can see him having a very long title reign. A dominate lengthy title reign.
Who is going to take it off him?

(Unless he gets injured -_-)

Hell, knowing how idiotic Vince is, he may give the title back to Orton in the next PPV. -_-

Is anyone seeing these diva matches? They try to book Natalya and Beth as dominant, yet I'm pretty sure they've only won against AJ and Kaitlyn. I thought Hugh Jackman was great on raw, I would hope he is on a bit more.

At 9/24/11 12:00 AM, skaterdude411 wrote: Is anyone seeing these diva matches? They try to book Natalya and Beth as dominant, yet I'm pretty sure they've only won against AJ and Kaitlyn. I thought Hugh Jackman was great on raw, I would hope he is on a bit more.

Eve and Kelly going over better wrestler than they are is stupid. Kaitlyn has improved in the ring and AJ is awesome... shame they are going to be jobbers because creative has nothing for them. And bad booking, and johnny Ace and Kevin Dunn need fap material and handjobs

I was looking through my Yahoo Answers account just a minute ago and found this. Pretty crazy, huh?

At 9/24/11 10:44 AM, Jonny wrote: I was looking through my Yahoo Answers account just a minute ago and found this. Pretty crazy, huh?

Lol. Speaking of the Rock, do you think he will win vs Cena?

At 9/24/11 12:00 AM, skaterdude411 wrote: Is anyone seeing these diva matches? They try to book Natalya and Beth as dominant, yet I'm pretty sure they've only won against AJ and Kaitlyn. I thought Hugh Jackman was great on raw, I would hope he is on a bit more.

The women's division is a joke. Beth should have raped Kelly Kelly in the ring. Instead, Vince made Kelly Kelly the champion and let her beat Beth TWICE.

At 9/25/11 11:40 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote:

At 9/24/11 12:00 AM, skaterdude411 wrote: Is anyone seeing these diva matches? They try to book Natalya and Beth as dominant, yet I'm pretty sure they've only won against AJ and Kaitlyn. I thought Hugh Jackman was great on raw, I would hope he is on a bit more.

The women's division is a joke. Beth should have raped Kelly Kelly in the ring. Instead, Vince made Kelly Kelly the champion and let her beat Beth TWICE.

I know. I would like to see beth and nattie winning. They call themselves the divas of doom, yet beth can't beat kelly?

At 9/25/11 07:45 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: My girlfriend keeps telling me to get a taylor lautner body, but I always say "no, I want Husky Harris's body"

Hahaha that's great. I never liked Husky harris anyway. I was a big fan of the nexus with wade barret before it got fucked.

Mason Ryan Face Turn

Shut up and take my money!

At 9/26/11 10:31 PM, kill343guiltyspark wrote: Mason Ryan Face Turn

Shut up and take my money!

He is too orange, it makes me nauseous too look at him.

*sigh* I'm starting to think that John Morrison is getting lost in the shuffle. I can only recall him wining one match since he came back from injury.

At 9/27/11 02:51 AM, boloneyman wrote:

At 9/26/11 10:31 PM, kill343guiltyspark wrote: Mason Ryan Face Turn

Shut up and take my money!

He is too orange, it makes me nauseous too look at him.

*sigh* I'm starting to think that John Morrison is getting lost in the shuffle. I can only recall him wining one match since he came back from injury.

His goofy ass grin was my favorite part of that match.

Also, you're right, every match Morrison's been in since his return has been him trying to hit a Starship Pain, failing, and then getting pinned. I mean, shit. I really enjoyed Morrison, even as a undercard wrestler.

Was I the only one who thought Mayson Ryan was the funniest moment of last night? I got pretty excited. Hopefully they wont waste him again.

At 9/27/11 02:51 AM, boloneyman wrote: *sigh* I'm starting to think that John Morrison is getting lost in the shuffle. I can only recall him wining one match since he came back from injury.

Sadly, he is in the doghouse because his gf could not keep her mouth shut.

At 9/28/11 11:25 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Sadly, he is in the doghouse because his gf could not keep her mouth shut.

Morrison does his fair share of dumb shit as well when he's with her. Honestly I've felt for awhile that they should just ignore it and see what they can get from him. They have had guys do way way worse in the old days (see Shawn Michaels version 1 for example) and they were pushed as tippity top guys. I'm not sure that's Morrison, but he can certainly do better then his current role of job guy to the stars and the longer he does that the further that window for ever being able to do anything meaningful with him closes.

JoMo needs to learn how to talk in the ring before becoming a main eventer.
Most of his talking segments bore me to death.

At 9/29/11 11:17 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: JoMo needs to learn how to talk in the ring before becoming a main eventer.
Most of his talking segments bore me to death.

True. On the subject of laurinitis,what do you think he has planned?

At 9/30/11 02:53 PM, skaterdude411 wrote: True. On the subject of laurinitis,what do you think he has planned?

Bring back Vince? Take power for himself? Try to get HHH fired somehow?

There is a rumor that I've seen that says that Booker T may get back in the ring for a short program with Cody. We'll see how legit that is in the coming weeks I suppose. Speaking of Cody, his work as of late has really gotten me interested in his character. I think he's doing a great job and I hope his push continues.

As for Morrison... I think it's only a matter of time before they eventually do something with the guy. He's clearly talented as hell and can get the crowd behind him in his matches. I don't think his lackluster promo skills are as big a hurtle as it seems, and with Melina gone he shouldn't have that against him either. I think he just needs to keep his act together in the locker room and eventually he will get a resumed push. A run with the IC or US title could re-solidify him as a contender. Or he may get a chance to win MITB later if he stays injury free.

At 9/30/11 06:20 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Bring back Vince?

Ugh.

Take power for himself?

UGH!!!!

Try to get HHH fired somehow?

Ugh. But yeah, probably. Then that'll lead to Triple H back in the ring for some big time match come Mania against either Laurinitis (he is a retired wrestler) or some stooge they prop up (please not Nash, please not Nash).

None of these options are palatable and it's ridiculous that WWE has seen how badly this direction hurt them, yet digs in their heels and keeps on forcing it.

There is a rumor that I've seen that says that Booker T may get back in the ring for a short program with Cody.

I don't see what Cody can really get out of it unless the idea is for Cody to just crush Book and run him out for a short time.

We'll see how legit that is in the coming weeks I suppose.

It does make sense since they've had him antagonizing Book through the baggers since that whole thing started.

Speaking of Cody, his work as of late has really gotten me interested in his character.

I've been a fan of Cody since they started the deformity gimmick, unfortunately they start building the fuck out of him, then do idiot crap like monday where they go "yes you're a dastardly heel against the lower babyfaces...but when you meet a super babyface non-wrestler like me Triple H, I outsmart you and make you look ineffective".

I think he's doing a great job and I hope his push continues.

Agreed, and agreed.

As for Morrison... I think it's only a matter of time before they eventually do something with the guy.

Oh, they're certainly doing something with him...having him job out on TV is "doing something".

He's clearly talented as hell and can get the crowd behind him in his matches.

To how far a degree though is my ultimate question? But you can't find out by treating him like total trash.

I don't think his lackluster promo skills are as big a hurtle as it seems,

Oh, it's gigantic in WWE. WWE is not looking for wrestlers, wrestling is a dirty word to them. They want characters, entertainers, guys that can carry their ridiculous soap opera plots and be in their direct to DVD movies and crap. If they don't see you as one of those guys, you can only get so far.

and with Melina gone he shouldn't have that against him either.

He still dates her, he still goes out in public with her, it's still something his detractors can use against him. Especially if they continue to not behave themselves in public.

I think he just needs to keep his act together in the locker room and eventually he will get a resumed push. A run with the IC or US title could re-solidify him as a contender. Or he may get a chance to win MITB later if he stays injury free.

He needs somebody to really get behind him, because right now any of those scenarios seem to just not be anywhere near the cards for him. But then again CM Punk was in that boat once where it seemed like all he could do was tread water and he'd never get ahead.

At 9/30/11 02:53 PM, skaterdude411 wrote: True. On the subject of laurinitis,what do you think he has planned?

When JoMo was pairing with the Miz years ago, he used to talk some half decent stuff in the "dirty sheet" segment. Sadly, he never improved on the mic in the past a few years. And until he becomes a good talker which I do not see happening, there is no way that he will become a world champion.

Is it just me or am i seeing a troll face sign just about every time i watch a Raw event now.

At 10/1/11 05:53 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: there is no way that he will become a world champion.

John Morrison is terrible on the mic, yes.
But you don't need to be golden on the microphone to be a main eventer. Alberto Del Rio is pretty dull but he is WWE champion. He has a good character and is rather impressive in the ring.

That isn't that only thing holding him back though, his matches are terrible.
He can't carry a wrestler to a good match, he has two or three spots in a match and thats all.

Ziggler is where it is at for future main eventers. Can cut a promo. Can carry a match.
Worst name though. Ziggler. Ugh.

At 10/1/11 08:58 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: WWE Champion John Cena vs. CM Punk vs. Alberto Del Rio

CM Punk.. maybe? I don't know.

World Heavyweight Champion Mark Henry vs. Randy Orton

Mark Henry, he better. I want to see a long title run.

Sin Cara vs. Sin Cara

Blue Sin Cara, really like this feud.

Sheamus vs. Christian

Sheamus. Guy is on a huge roll since becoming a face. I dont know how he got so over but its pretty awesome.

Divas Champion Kelly Kelly vs. Beth Phoenix

Beth Phoenix and its about damn time.

I hate the Divas division, and the lack of attention it gets. There are like only 3 divas getting the spotlight at a time, and it's all within the span of 10 minutes or less on a televised episode.

Man.

At 10/1/11 10:45 PM, Ryanson wrote: I hate the Divas division, and the lack of attention it gets. There are like only 3 divas getting the spotlight at a time, and it's all within the span of 10 minutes or less on a televised episode.

Man.

I wouldn't like to see it get any more time then it is already getting.
Without a KharmA/Jazz/Chyna type woman in the mix the divas division isn't interesting.

At 10/1/11 11:12 PM, Shaun wrote: I wouldn't like to see it get any more time then it is already getting.
Without a KharmA/Jazz/Chyna type woman in the mix the divas division isn't interesting.

I just feel bad for all the girls under contract who barely, if ever, get a match on TV.