At 6/28/11 06:46 AM, 36Holla wrote: And yet...I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of the angle. Still, that promo was the dream of any wrestling fan who is frustrated with WWE right now. Punk just earned himself the right to say he cut one of the most memorable promos ever seen.

Everything he said made so much sense, and it was great for me as I am extremely frustrated with this company. I wonder what Batista's reaction to this would be, he probably couldn't agree more as well.

At 6/28/11 06:06 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Guys, it's a work. It's a shooting work, a working shoot, whatever you want to call it. It's part of the storyline because if it wasn't, they would have cut his mic and ended the show about the minute he started to go off script. Shoots do not happen in WWE unless they are Vince approved.

Wait, that's it???

No thoughts on the promo?

At 6/28/11 10:54 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Wait, that's it???

Well, I just thought it was worth redirecting the conversation away from "ZOMG is it real?!" back more to "what did you think of the the thing itself?"

No thoughts on the promo?

Oh, plenty. I thought it was spectacular and from what I understand improvised and I have to firstly give WWE a lot of credit for giving him a live mic and saying that he could go out there and say what he felt about why he was leaving. I also give Punk so so much credit because he really did working shoots the way others only wish they could: He took it the Pillman route of throwing out enough that if you understood what he was talking about you got it, but it wasn't so inside that he loses the general audience that may have no clue about some of the people and personalities he's mentioning. An absolutely fantastic thing and easily the best proof there is of why WWE should have treated him as the asset he should be rather then batter and mistreat him to the point that he's basically just doing a fair well tour and sticking it up management's ass that they shot themselves in the foot here.

I love it the fact that people were all "OH MY GOD PUNK WAS SUSPENDED" and people failing to realize that it was a work :P Hell the whole "suspension" thing should be the neon blue light that it's a work. Lulz at wrestling fans.

At 6/29/11 01:44 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: I love it the fact that people were all "OH MY GOD PUNK WAS SUSPENDED" and people failing to realize that it was a work :P Hell the whole "suspension" thing should be the neon blue light that it's a work. Lulz at wrestling fans.

The fact that they had some of us fooled is a great sign. Bluring the lines between story and reality makes the product more enjoyable when pulled off correctly, like WWE just did.

Not sure how accurate the spoilers I read are, but I am already disappointed with where this story is going.

I was marking out like a 10-year-old when Punk blasted Vince, Hogan and Cena with THE BEST PROMO IN THE WWE HISTORY. Totally awesome! :D

At 6/29/11 02:49 AM, boloneyman wrote: Not sure how accurate the spoilers I read are, but I am already disappointed with where this story is going.

Why did you have to spoil the party? :'(

At 6/29/11 02:49 AM, boloneyman wrote:

Not sure how accurate the spoilers I read are, but I am already disappointed with where this story is going.

I'm an optimist and if it turns out the way I hope with CM Punk running around with a long ass title reign before dropping it to the MITB winner or Cena.

Summer of Punk baby.

At 6/28/11 06:41 PM, LordKooler wrote: Yeah. TNA as a whole is a cancerous tumor that needs to be destroyed. I would not shed a tear if TNA were to go out of business.

I think if they got rid of some of the management/bookers who seem to want to run it into the ground WCW style as well as cut guys who are so past their prime that its embarassing then they may do better. But the chances of that happening are slim to none. With it's current staff you have the recipe for disaster. The bad kind.

I so need to see this Punk promo. I hate working on Monday nights... :(

At 6/29/11 10:46 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: I'm an optimist and if it turns out the way I hope with CM Punk running around with a long ass title reign before dropping it to the MITB winner or Cena.
Summer of Punk baby.

Don't bring your hope up. Knowing Vince, we will probably be fed with a year-long Cena reign as the WWE champion. >:(

""Ok, question. Who is more untouchable, "Golden Boy" John Cena or "Ultra Vet." The Undertaker? You can't really rip on either without major side effects.

At 6/29/11 10:52 AM, Outlaw88 wrote:

At 6/28/11 06:41 PM, LordKooler wrote: Yeah. TNA as a whole is a cancerous tumor that needs to be destroyed. I would not shed a tear if TNA were to go out of business.

I think if they got rid of some of the management/bookers who seem to want to run it into the ground WCW style as well as cut guys who are so past their prime that its embarassing then they may do better. But the chances of that happening are slim to none. With it's current staff you have the recipe for disaster. The bad kind.

I want to tell you something about TNA. After the Jeff Hardy incident at Victory Road 2011 happened, this one guy said "Not even bushleague indy feds run by scumbags would do something like this."

At 6/29/11 04:12 PM, LordKooler wrote: I want to tell you something about TNA. After the Jeff Hardy incident at Victory Road 2011 happened, this one guy said "Not even bushleague indy feds run by scumbags would do something like this."

That "one guy" is an idiot then who's unfamiliar with a similar incident involving Scott Hall, and an even earlier incident involving Jake Roberts then.

The problem with TNA is Dixie Carter. I think Dixie really means well and cares, but she's in over her head. She doesn't understand the business she's in, she trusts and is loyal to the absolute wrong people and will do nothing to move them out of the positions they clearly don't need to be in. TNA could be a great product, I hope one day it will be because you can't assume that if they go down somebody else just automatically gets their spot. We NEED alternatives and competition badly to cause innovation within the business. When it stagnates everybody suffers and you can't just assume another Tod Gordon is going to come along and put his money where his mouth is and say "I think I can do this better" and we all know what that led to. There's companies starting and failing all the time. TNA is successful to at least some degree, hence why it still exists, I think we should root for that product to get better (and be willing to throw our support behind it if it does) vs. crapping on it and taking some sort of sadistic glee in hoping that it goes under.

That was a fantastic work. People should know it is a work since it was not cut off. Never the less there is NO reason you should not be excited. Punk is amazing. I love he said hello to Colt. It was the happiest moment of my life. He still said a lot people wanted him to say and I am glad he said it. Maybe they will realize he should get the title with how much he can control an audience. It is just upsetting that Cena will win haha.

Anyways...quality has returned to the WWE pretty much. Alright matches and everything. Just know that everything is going well and that TNA sucks so bad that WWE can have a character bring up actual gripes on air and have it keep all their viewers and gain more publicity. Brilliant WWE. Brilliant Punk. Cena...please let him win? :)

I was wondering why they let Punk go on for that long before cutting him off; I assumed they were frantically scrambling for the mic controls after 5 minutes of initial shock. In that case, I'm impressed that they'd willingly allow Punk to say everything that he said; I never would've given Vince & co. that much credit.

At 6/29/11 11:17 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: The problem with TNA is Dixie Carter. I think Dixie really means well and cares, but she's in over her head. She doesn't understand the business she's in, she trusts and is loyal to the absolute wrong people and will do nothing to move them out of the positions they clearly don't need to be in. TNA could be a great product, I hope one day it will be because you can't assume that if they go down somebody else just automatically gets their spot. We NEED alternatives and competition badly to cause innovation within the business. When it stagnates everybody suffers and you can't just assume another Tod Gordon is going to come along and put his money where his mouth is and say "I think I can do this better" and we all know what that led to. There's companies starting and failing all the time. TNA is successful to at least some degree, hence why it still exists, I think we should root for that product to get better (and be willing to throw our support behind it if it does) vs. crapping on it and taking some sort of sadistic glee in hoping that it goes under.

I used to like TNA back when I was watching it regularly; unfortunately, now that it's a WCW clone, I'd rather just avoid it. (Gotta wonder if it's any worse than when TNA first started, though....) I WANT it to succeed, for the sake of Styles, Angle, Lethal, Roode, Storm, and every other good talent they have, but Dixie is a friggin idiot; how can she NOT know about how WCW died?

It is actually great because you can tell what stuff they wanted him to say ad what stuff was so far out of line that they ACTUALLY cut it when they did the RAW Rebound yesterday. So, where it was a planned shoot...it was not a fully scripted shoot. I highly doubt they wanted him to say stuff about the company after Vince dies as much as he did.

At 7/2/11 08:52 AM, Bibby-Ney wrote: It is actually great because you can tell what stuff they wanted him to say ad what stuff was so far out of line that they ACTUALLY cut it when they did the RAW Rebound yesterday. So, where it was a planned shoot...it was not a fully scripted shoot. I highly doubt they wanted him to say stuff about the company after Vince dies as much as he did.

They cut it on purpose so that average wrestling fans like you (no disrespect) will think that it is not fully scripted. You will know what I mean by the time you have finished watching the next episode of RAW.

Meh. I wouldn't consider myself any type of wrestling fan. (note: said with air of being a douchebag and satire).

But you are probably right but the less said about Hunter and Steph taking over the better. That is years away as vince will run this company as a brain hooked to a computer if he had to.

At 7/4/11 12:21 PM, Bibby-Ney wrote: But you are probably right but the less said about Hunter and Steph taking over the better. That is years away as vince will run this company as a brain hooked to a computer if he had to.

They're taking on more and more responsibility in the company these days though. It seems to me Vince is realizing the future is much much closer and it's really time to get hunter and steph ready to take the reins. That's something he's actively moving towards.

An angle where John Cena might get fired? I can't see where this could possibly go bad!

At 7/5/11 02:50 AM, boloneyman wrote: An angle where John Cena might get fired? I can't see where this could possibly go bad!

Monday night RAW is back to normal, guys!
I may have to wait another 10 years before someone else cuts an awesome promo similar to Punk's shot at Cena, Hogan and Vince. :(

At 7/5/11 02:50 AM, boloneyman wrote: An angle where John Cena might get fired? I can't see where this could possibly go bad!

And just like that...they sucked all the intrigue out of the match. Because unless Punk has a contract we don't know about, no way they "fire" Cena because if Punk leaves, Cena can't get revenge in a return bout.

Vince never fails at failing nowdays. :\
Last week's RAW was a one-off thing, it is back to normal, folks!

A few things about Raw.

-I actually found John Cena to be tolerable for once because he and Vince did a decent promo.

-Unlike what people have said in here, I actually find the Raw Main Event situation truly interesting right now. Is Cena going to get fired? Well...no, obviously not. But it is still possible for Punk to win at the PPV because this is MitB after all. Swerves can easily happen. Vince said "you're fired if he leaves Chicago with the belt." He didn't say anything about Cena losing and then Punk losing the belt right afterwards.

-There were flashes of a superstars vs. corporate story brewing. If they chose someone like Cena to go against the corporate side along with some other heels or guys who were fit into the story, I'd be something I'd actually want to see involving Cena.

At 7/5/11 03:41 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
And just like that...they sucked all the intrigue out of the match. Because unless Punk has a contract we don't know about, no way they "fire" Cena because if Punk leaves, Cena can't get revenge in a return bout.

They just love writing themselves into a corner don't they? However, since it is MITB there is always the possibility of someone turning their contract in that night.

Take it for what it's worth since the site isn't alwasy 100% reliable, but wrestlezone said that as part of their negotiation the WWE offered Punk the chance to be in a movie should he resigh. Punk turned it down.

It looks like Morrison will be out of action until at least September or October. It's a shame that he won't be able to be in MITB.

At 7/6/11 09:59 AM, Outlaw88 wrote:
Take it for what it's worth since the site isn't alwasy 100% reliable, but wrestlezone said that as part of their negotiation the WWE offered Punk the chance to be in a movie should he resigh. Punk turned it down.

It looks like Morrison will be out of action until at least September or October. It's a shame that he won't be able to be in MITB.

Haha, I can only assume he would play the antagonist in whatever they put him in.

Too bad about Morrison. Hopefully when he comes back he can get some momentum to bring him back to where he was and hopefully further.

I would actually like Cena to get a break. Last time they let him win for a year straight he got hurt right around the on year mark, and what can you expect? You have the guy wrestling in the main event every week for a year. Putting that much stress on his body is an awful idea, especially when you already have his match for next Wrestlemania planned.

IF Cena drops the title at MITB, it will be ADR who cashes in after the entire Nexus brutalize him.

Well, it's lookin' like Cena will retain. No doubt ADR will get involved, which will lead to the supposed SummerSlam faceoff.

It would be interesting to see a Superstars vs. Corporates angle.

Ya know, I just went backed and reviewed the promo and WWE did build themselves an out where Cena can drop the belt. See, Vince didn't say "if you lose the match" he said "if CM Punk leaves Chicago with the belt" Cena is fired. So they could put MITB in the hands of ADR and do Punk beating Cena, hell, maybe ADR actually even costs Cena the match, then Alberto lays out Punk, cashes in, scores a flash pin and the PPV can go off the air with everything in chaos and the announcers plugging the hell out of RAW and what Vince will say. I think that's the best finish to go with really. The only downside is it'll be 2 years in a row where one briefcase is cashed in at the PPV, which runs the risk of training fans to think they'll get that EVERY year.

pg era sucks