Jerry Springer hosts tonight...........oddly fitting.

At 2/13/10 01:03 AM, Random-Her03 wrote:

At 2/12/10 11:03 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Shame about the Survivor Series. It seems with the exception of WM and the RR no PPV can stay forever.

or Summerslam.. I see that sticking around for a while

RR & SummerSlam will most likely be the only 2 original PPV's left, at this rate..........

SD was good tonight. Batista not telling us whats going on is a bit annoying since it was such a waste of time. Come on guys, give us something here!

Specially that they dragged it on for about 10 mins.. I would of been pissed if i were live in attendance..

Yeah, that was irritating. Good way for him to get heat, that's for sure.

I sure hope what happened to Morrison is just part of the show and not legit. I'd hate for him to miss time in the ring. The opening match was great as Punk and Rey seem to work well together. Punk was downright creepy after the match too.

It's not legit, he's fine.

Ah, good; I was worried there for a minute.

Oops, wasn't quite done; yes, Punk was extra-especially creepy that night.

Anybody who thinks they'd do away with Wrestlemania is on something...something very bad and should probably get off it immediately, it's making you lose complete and utter touch with reality.

I hope this injury angle is simply a way to explain why Bret WON'T wrestle Vince at Mania...honestly that'd be a bad idea and I'd be fine with either some kind of tag match, or them just using Cena and Batista as surrogates.

At 2/15/10 09:19 PM, Swackman wrote: Jerry Springer hosts tonight...........oddly fitting.

i am watching this episode now. It's really terrible. The acting is just so bad tonight :(

Tonights RAW sucked... such a shame since RAW has actually been quite good lately

The Orton/Legacy feud is confusing me, is Orton a babyface? Ted and Cody keep turning on eachother.. are they gonna disband or just team up next week?.. I dunno, it should shape out at EC

Bret Hart/Limo incident kinda had me scratching my head for a bit... also I hate the fact that Cena was Bret's "best friend" in this segment.. just cause you're the top dog doesn't mean you have to be the guest host's best friend, legend's best friend etc.. couldn't they of had The Hart Dynasty greet them or something.. my god they're not even shedding light between those 4.. Also did the woman do it by accident or what? is she connected to Vince? it was odd..

"ShowMiz"s mashup theme is awful.. is it just me, or does Big Show's theme not go well with anybody elses?.. anyways Team Koolaid (who apparently are still together) won against them.. gee way to put over the new tag champs WWE..

The Springer segment.. Well, Khali was right.. it was a waste of time, moving on..

Something really pissed me off on the show.. Michael Cole says that Bret's little "car accident" is the worst night of Bret Hart's life.. seriously?
Well actually.. yeah Cole may be right.. I mean watching your younger brother fall to his death or having a life threatening stroke do seem very tame compared to hurting your leg from a limo door.. Cole, you're a genius..

Here comes HHH vs John Cena.. which is so fresh now cause they haven't done the match in over 3 whole months!.. I honestly didn't pay attention.. but hey, did anybody?

So to sum it up.. RAW sucked..
I really hope Christian doesn't end up there next week as not only will he probably be buried on that show.. he'll be surrounded by pure embarrassment.. let's pray for him.

At 2/16/10 05:49 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: (rant about this past RAW)

also how could i forget.. lack of HBK.. that's a huge blow

also about the ECW wrestlers
sources say that this will most likely go down

Christian to Smackdown
William Regal to RAW
Ezekiel Jackson to RAW
Trent Boretta to Smackdown
Caylen Croft to Smackdown
Zack Ryder to Smackdown
Rosa Mendes to Smackdown

they don't have info on any other wrestlers yet though, but most of them are expected to be kept on TV and switched to a brand straight away

I missed Raw, but by the sound of it thats probably a good thing. I'm confused by the ShowMiz loss. They just beat DX yet lose to guys who haven't exactly been on par with showing dominance and winning. Not exactly the best way to do things guys.

Was anyone honestly suprised that a Springer segment sucked?

I wish they would just move the Legacy thing along. All this confusion is getting irritating.

The matches involving the chamber members were pretty good. I usually hate DQs, but I think it works here so that no one goes into the chamber with more momentum than the rest. Except Ted, which I didn't like because it was like he won by pure luck. Sheamus doing the Celtic cross on HHH was pretty impressive. I like the idea of a champion who just fucks everyone up. The rest of the show I could have done with out.

I wonder how Morrison's injury will play into the chamber. Anyone else suspecting for Batista to jump someone and steal their pod?

So I'm guessing I shouldn't bother with RAW this week? Sounds like it was shit.

At 2/16/10 07:58 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also about the ECW wrestlers
sources say that this will most likely go down

Christian to Smackdown
William Regal to RAW
Ezekiel Jackson to RAW
Trent Boretta to Smackdown
Caylen Croft to Smackdown
Zack Ryder to Smackdown
Rosa Mendes to Smackdown

sorry I misread that.. it's actually Ryder and Mendes to RAW

Here is your roster for WWE NXT:

FCW Champion: Justin Angel
Daniel Bryan (Bryan Danielson, if you've never seen him go, this man is this generation's pre-murdering scumbag Benoit)
Kaval (This is the former Low Ki of the indies, formerly Senshi of TNA. Very good worker)
Skip Sheffield
Joe Hennig (Curt Hennig's legit son)
Brett Dibiase (Ted Dibiase's legit son, brother of Ted Dibiase of RAW)
Darren Young
Heath Slater (Not sure if he's related to Dirty Dick Slater or if this is just a gimmick)
Michael Tarver

At least four of these names suggest this is a show worth watching. Also WWE has settled any trademark issue with the Scottish promotion who held the trademark as they're simply going to change their name as that was planned anyway.

At 2/16/10 09:26 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Here is your roster for WWE NXT:

FCW Champion: Justin Angel
Daniel Bryan (Bryan Danielson, if you've never seen him go, this man is this generation's pre-murdering scumbag Benoit)
Kaval (This is the former Low Ki of the indies, formerly Senshi of TNA. Very good worker)
Skip Sheffield
Joe Hennig (Curt Hennig's legit son)
Brett Dibiase (Ted Dibiase's legit son, brother of Ted Dibiase of RAW)
Darren Young
Heath Slater (Not sure if he's related to Dirty Dick Slater or if this is just a gimmick)
Michael Tarver

At least four of these names suggest this is a show worth watching. Also WWE has settled any trademark issue with the Scottish promotion who held the trademark as they're simply going to change their name as that was planned anyway.

This info seems to be false, while some of these guys are on NXT, the likes of Joe Hennig and Brett DiBiase are not featured. Here's the lineup that has been confirmed on ECW.

Wade Barrett
Mentor: Chris Jericho
Don't know much about this guy but all I can say is, this guy better be french kissing whoever decided to have him paired with Jericho.

Justin Gabriel (current FCW champ known as Justin Angel)
Mentor: Matt Hardy
I've seen a few matches with this guy, seems quite good.. high flyer type of guy so I can see why they chose to pair him with Hardy.. His mic skills seem very weak though considering he has a bit of a jumbled accent.

Skip Sheffield
Mentor: MVP
I remember this guy from Tough Enough when The Miz was on it, It would of been cool to see him and Miz paired together, but I'll start my rant once i get to Bryan Danielson.

Michael Tarver
Mentor: Carlito
While most people say "meh Carlito's a jobber, I feel sorry for this guy.." I wouldn't pass up a training session from Carlito, he's a talented wrestler and would be a very interesting mentor to have.

Daniel Bryan (aka Bryan Danielson)
Mentor: The Miz
Ok here we go.... WHAT... THE... FUCK! While The Miz was on The Real World, Danielson was wrestling full stop. I see this as the pairing that do not get along.. I can also see this pairing win, this'll probably have a storyline with Miz bragging about his skills and then lead to a fued between the 2.. Still, If I were in charge on who goes with who, I would of kept these 2 far away from eachother.. Danielson should of been paired with Jericho or Punk.. preferably Punk.

Heath Slater
Mentor: Christian
I heard this guy was FCW champ before Justin Angel won it from him.. This guy was also on Smackdown a little while ago, he was the dude dressed up as Santa Claus that Cryme Tyme beat up. Once again, this guy should be very grateful to be paired with a wrestler like Christian.. very grateful.

Darren Young
Mentor: CM Punk
After seeing a pic of this guy and punk, these 2 look like they have absolutely nothing in common.. but hey, I guess all of these pairings seem very random.. they put a guy who is considered the best indy wrestler today paired with a guy who hasn't even wrestled with WWE for 5 years yet.. take a wild guess which pairing I'm talking about.

David Otunga
Mentor: R-Truth
I know nothing about this Otunga guy, but still having R-Truth have your back would be a good deal, Truth seems like a good mentor, plus he's a hell of a nice guy and I'm sure has a lot good moves to pass off to Otunga.

At 2/17/10 01:02 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: This info seems to be false, while some of these guys are on NXT, the likes of Joe Hennig and Brett DiBiase are not featured. Here's the lineup that has been confirmed on ECW.

Yeah, very odd PWInsider got this one wrong...unless this is a case where WWE tricked their source by floating a false list to see who would leak it.

Wade Barrett
Mentor: Chris Jericho
Don't know much about this guy but all I can say is, this guy better be french kissing whoever decided to have him paired with Jericho.

I'd be curious to see how this is actually going to work, at the outset it seems obvious they wanted "stars" on this show, but I wonder how the interaction would work beyond it? Like could we see the mentors bringing their "trainees" out as corner men for their bouts? Interesting possibility.

I also don't know much about Barrett.

Justin Gabriel (current FCW champ known as Justin Angel)
Mentor: Matt Hardy
I've seen a few matches with this guy, seems quite good.. high flyer type of guy so I can see why they chose to pair him with Hardy.. His mic skills seem very weak though considering he has a bit of a jumbled accent.

That will probably be a focal point of what they'll work on with him.

Skip Sheffield
Mentor: MVP
I remember this guy from Tough Enough when The Miz was on it, It would of been cool to see him and Miz paired together, but I'll start my rant once i get to Bryan Danielson.

Wow they kept more then Miz from that crew? God it's been years...

Michael Tarver
Mentor: Carlito
While most people say "meh Carlito's a jobber, I feel sorry for this guy.." I wouldn't pass up a training session from Carlito, he's a talented wrestler and would be a very interesting mentor to have.

I wonder too if this might be a way to sort of reinvigorate Carlito here as well as they can push his heritage and it can be yet another "test" for him in terms of how much of a team player he's willing to be.

Daniel Bryan (aka Bryan Danielson)
Mentor: The Miz
Ok here we go.... WHAT... THE... FUCK! While The Miz was on The Real World, Danielson was wrestling full stop. I see this as the pairing that do not get along.. I can also see this pairing win, this'll probably have a storyline with Miz bragging about his skills and then lead to a fued between the 2.. Still, If I were in charge on who goes with who, I would of kept these 2 far away from eachother.. Danielson should of been paired with Jericho or Punk.. preferably Punk.

I wonder if this indicates more of a possible direction they'll go in with Danielson in that they'll try to reinvent him as a sort of cocky heel character. As I recall Danielson played a similar character in ROH at one point. Miz has dramatically improved as a worker and a performer at this point and it'll be interesting to see how this goes. Potentially the most interesting pairing on the series.

Heath Slater
Mentor: Christian
I heard this guy was FCW champ before Justin Angel won it from him.. This guy was also on Smackdown a little while ago, he was the dude dressed up as Santa Claus that Cryme Tyme beat up. Once again, this guy should be very grateful to be paired with a wrestler like Christian.. very grateful.

Definitely a good opportunity here this guy should not blow, but I do have to question how much Christian actually matters outside of ECW right now...he hasn't exactly gotten massive pops on the big shows.

Darren Young
Mentor: CM Punk
After seeing a pic of this guy and punk, these 2 look like they have absolutely nothing in common.. but hey, I guess all of these pairings seem very random.. they put a guy who is considered the best indy wrestler today paired with a guy who hasn't even wrestled with WWE for 5 years yet.. take a wild guess which pairing I'm talking about.

Well every "reality show" has to have it's share of "drama". I wonder if Punk's mentoring will consist of a lot of speeches about being straight edge and culminate with a hair cut?

David Otunga
Mentor: R-Truth
I know nothing about this Otunga guy, but still having R-Truth have your back would be a good deal, Truth seems like a good mentor, plus he's a hell of a nice guy and I'm sure has a lot good moves to pass off to Otunga.

Otunga has been in developmental awhile and as they mentioned is Jennifer Hudson's fiancee. That alone made me shocked he wasn't called up sooner, I seem to recall hearing good reports.

Let me real quick take this opportunity to comment on the end of ECW. While I think we're all happy to see those letters retired and allowed to rest in peace and be remembered by the fans as something truly special that changed the business forever, let's not forget the things that WERE achieved by the ECW brand. The ECW brand gave a handful of hard working original guys from ECW a brief spotlight to show a worldwide audience their skills, it gave us some fine young talent that have been world champions (Punk) and guys who will be world champs of the future (Morrison). It gave us good wrestling, and for a brief while it gave us hope for an alternative product.

I want to thank EVERYONE here that bought the original one night stand, bought the second, supported the early episodes, read the hyping bios I did for the Original ONS, read the report cards for the early TV, or just generally believed the ECW product was a product worth bringing back. As I said when the experiment began, whether it failed or succeeded, whether it was the ECW we wanted or it wasn't, what they couldn't take away from us was the fact that WE brought that product back. Because we loved it enough, because we were passionate enough, we raised a company from the dead, it NEVER happened before and it won't ever happen again. No matter what else I might have felt about the result, I never felt bad about that accomplishment, just like I will never ever feel bad about or regret a single moment spent being associated with ECW as a fan or an advocate for that product.

Maybe we didn't truly get the result we wanted, but we still got some great memories, and we got to watch some great talents get a chance they wouldn't have gotten otherwise...and by God that is what ECW REALLY meant to me. So thank you again for taking that journey with me, thank you for helping to make the dream possible, even if it didn't work out how we wanted.

*shudders, then ignores above post..........*

Anyway, good to see that this Brian Danielson guy will finally be on TV. The world has been needing a Benoit replacement for some time.............please, DON'T SCREW THIS UP. :(

Jennifer Hudson's marrying a wrestler? Did not know that. I'd laugh if she does his entrance theme.... *gets shot*

Pairing all of them up with current roster superstars? Not entirely sure I understand what they're doing with this. I get the whole mentor role thing, but with all of them?

At 2/17/10 01:52 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Definitely a good opportunity here this guy should not blow, but I do have to question how much Christian actually matters outside of ECW right now...he hasn't exactly gotten massive pops on the big shows.

He will once he goes to SD - as you know what that potentially means. :P

Let me real quick take this opportunity to comment on the end of ECW. While I think we're all happy to see those letters retired and allowed to rest in peace and be remembered by the fans as something truly special that changed the business forever, let's not forget the things that WERE achieved by the ECW brand. The ECW brand gave a handful of hard working original guys from ECW a brief spotlight to show a worldwide audience their skills, it gave us some fine young talent that have been world champions (Punk) and guys who will be world champs of the future (Morrison). It gave us good wrestling, and for a brief while it gave us hope for an alternative product.

I want to thank EVERYONE here that bought the original one night stand, bought the second, supported the early episodes, read the hyping bios I did for the Original ONS, read the report cards for the early TV, or just generally believed the ECW product was a product worth bringing back. As I said when the experiment began, whether it failed or succeeded, whether it was the ECW we wanted or it wasn't, what they couldn't take away from us was the fact that WE brought that product back. Because we loved it enough, because we were passionate enough, we raised a company from the dead, it NEVER happened before and it won't ever happen again. No matter what else I might have felt about the result, I never felt bad about that accomplishment, just like I will never ever feel bad about or regret a single moment spent being associated with ECW as a fan or an advocate for that product.

Maybe we didn't truly get the result we wanted, but we still got some great memories, and we got to watch some great talents get a chance they wouldn't have gotten otherwise...and by God that is what ECW REALLY meant to me. So thank you again for taking that journey with me, thank you for helping to make the dream possible, even if it didn't work out how we wanted.

Extremely (pardon the unintended pun) well said.

At 2/17/10 12:20 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: I want to fuck Sheamus so bad it's not even funny.

That would be interesting. You could turn off the lights, but you'd still be able to see the guy he is so white. I wish I had something wrestling related to say, but I just really wanted to make that joke.

PWInsider.com is reporting that Vince McMahon made the call to have Ezekiel Jackson go over Christian last night on ECW because he felt that Jackson needed the momentum boost heading into Smackdown more than Christian did. There were several people on the WWE creative team that felt the final ECW show should have had a happy ending with Christian retaining the title, but Vince felt otherwise.

I think Vince just doesn't like Christian...Or ECW...

I'm with you Avie. I was not as fortunate as you to have seen ECW in its prime but I did support it by buying the DVD's and products that showed support for it. I even ordered the two ONS PPV's which was something I don't do often. I was very happy to see the show come back and even though it did not live up to what those letteres used to mean there were some good moments to be had on the show and we got to see some growth and development of a lot of bright stars (Punk, Morrison, Miz) and even got to see a few old hands get a chance to be called world champion (Mark Henry, Matt Hardy, Kane.) So I'm happy we got that show.

This mentor thing is confusing. What exactly does this mean? Are they like make-shift teams? Are the veterans corner men? I guess we'll just have to tune in to find out.

At 2/18/10 07:34 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote:

At 2/17/10 12:20 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: I want to fuck Sheamus so bad it's not even funny.

Oh my.

lol this made my day

At 2/18/10 11:01 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I think Vince just doesn't like Christian...Or ECW...

I think if you view it from a Vince perspective it makes perfect sense. To be blunt, the ECW brand was a failure for WWE. Yes, they got some benefit from it, but it was their lowest rated show, it was on a decent network and low rated, and the network partner was totally unhappy with it. They would have cancelled it a year or so ago if not forced to keep it by the corporate parent. In those terms, the show was a failure.

So I have no problem with them making it basically a commercial for NXT, since that's the new concept they want to push and entice people to watch. I also have no problem with anything I'm hearing about Ezekiel. Guy is talented and I actually agree with Vince he could use that boost of being the guy to unseat Christian going into his new home of Smackdown!. I know some people would love to see a "happy ending for ECW" but ECW already had a happy ending: One Night Stand 05. ECW clearly and totally ended that night, and despite WWE trying to link the two, their ECW was clearly it's own entity, and it was an entity that did not live up to standard. So I'm completely onboard with what was done tuesday night.

Plus the rating didn't really move, 1.4. So it pretty much drew the same audience it always did. I think that further justifies the way WWE handled it.

This mentor thing is confusing. What exactly does this mean? Are they like make-shift teams? Are the veterans corner men? I guess we'll just have to tune in to find out.

From what I understand it'll be similar to the Ultimate Fighter in that they will act as coaches and we'll have two teams of competitors (heel vs. face). I think it's interesting and I'm willing to give this a chance as it could be a very good and interesting concept depending on how they want to do it.

****SPOILER ALERT****

this week on smackdown they had a promo about ezekiel jackson coming to smackdown, so i guess his raw plans were nixed..
also this pretty much says regal's going to smackdown aswell

According to wwe.com, William Regal has replaced MVP as a Pro in NXT.
Regal is now mentoring Skip Sheffield while MVP is mentoring no one.

At 2/19/10 11:23 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: According to wwe.com, William Regal has replaced MVP as a Pro in NXT.
Regal is now mentoring Skip Sheffield while MVP is mentoring no one.

He pissed somebody off...had to have pissed somebody off at some point in time to be getting removed from any and all opportunities it seems to move up the card. I'd dearly love to find out what he did.

Seems thats what MVP does. Every time he starts to get somewhere someone gets pissed at him and stops any and all momentum. We'll have to see if this was just a way to give Regal something to do or if MVP is getting punished. They may have just wanted another heel veteran around for all we know.

At least we'll be seeing some of the guys who have been in WWE's training ground. A bit of a change up isn't a bad idea.

At 2/20/10 11:26 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Seems thats what MVP does. Every time he starts to get somewhere someone gets pissed at him and stops any and all momentum. We'll have to see if this was just a way to give Regal something to do or if MVP is getting punished. They may have just wanted another heel veteran around for all we know.

Could be, and I've definitely been pushing the idea of Regal as a teacher for young guys so I can't fault them for simply seeming to follow what I've been advocating.

At least we'll be seeing some of the guys who have been in WWE's training ground. A bit of a change up isn't a bad idea.

Oh hell no, this could be a big windfall for them since when UFC did the Ultimate Fighter it helped launch them into the public conciousness and has given them many many effective and useful stars from the program. Done right NXT could absolutely do the same for WWE.

F4WOnline.com is reporting that since WWE has decided to run a Money In The Bank PPV of its own, the Money in the Bank Ladder Match appears to be scrapped from this year's WrestleMania card. Additionally, it's being said that a number of mid-card talents are upset that the match is being scrapped this year as the WrestleMania pay off is something that they don't want to miss out on, and with the Ladder Match not taking place this will leave several of those talents without a spot on the card.

That kinda sucks. I think MITB was best suited for WM and made sense to help build a potential future champion by winning that shot at the biggest PPV.

At 2/21/10 12:49 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: F4WOnline.com is reporting that since WWE has decided to run a Money In The Bank PPV of its own, the Money in the Bank Ladder Match appears to be scrapped from this year's WrestleMania card. Additionally, it's being said that a number of mid-card talents are upset that the match is being scrapped this year as the WrestleMania pay off is something that they don't want to miss out on, and with the Ladder Match not taking place this will leave several of those talents without a spot on the card.

I think they'll do a battle royal or something so those guys can get the pay day, it probably doesn't mean they'll miss the pay day as much as it'll mean they lose a shot at doing something meaningful on the show.

That kinda sucks. I think MITB was best suited for WM and made sense to help build a potential future champion by winning that shot at the biggest PPV.

I liked the idea of it being there too because it did tend to signal a future champion and it was a hot opener for the PPV, but if WWE is going to continue to gimmick up PPVs and try to create the idea of every show having a gimmick to sell it MITB is a good one to use. As now they can really and truly push exactly what's at stake in that match and try to make it mean a little something more and maybe add in more guys that might potentially have a shot at winning and/or build up guys earlier in the show in the qualifying bouts (because my understanding was they'd do MITB as the main, and the undercard would be qualifying bouts). I just hope this doesn't become an excuse to have already established stars winning the briefcase, because this match really does need to stay as something that straps a rocket to a guy needing that boost to break through.

At 2/21/10 12:49 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: That kinda sucks. I think MITB was best suited for WM and made sense to help build a potential future champion by winning that shot at the biggest PPV.

Agreed. I have a feeling that if they do make a MITB PPV, they'll just feature every main eventer in the actual match, than have the rising wrestlers partake.. also the MITB match was something I always looked forward to every WM.. one of the reasons I actually go out of my way to watch it live.

Also if John Morrison doesn't appear in the EC match tomorrow, I have a good idea for who should replace him. Now Shawn Michaels wouldn't be bad, but I dunno.. I have a feeling he would appear.. but just not in the match..
But anyway if Morrison's out, it would make a good opening for Christian to re-debut on Smackdown

I don't think it'll happen, but it would be nice if it did.

Stop me if you've heard this one. John Cena wins a Elimination Chamber only to have the celebration cut short by Vince who tells him he must immediately defend a title against a new opponent who hits a spear and quickly pins Cena to become the new NEW WWE champion.

I'm fine with the ending in all fairness, I just think the similarities are funny. Looks like we've got Edge and Jericho at Mania.

So barring twists, Mania looks like this:

Taker vs. Michaels Mania match 2

Batista vs. Cena, WWE Title

Edge vs. Jericho World Heavyweight Title

Punk vs. Mysterio took another step forward

Dibiase vs at least Orton looks to have started as well

Intriguing card, I'm not a fan of Shaemus out of the title picture though, I hope they find something to keep him strong and get him back in the hunt post Mania here as I think he did a real good job.