Last night was the first I caught ECW in awhile (I tuned in for the Burchill/Hurricane match) I really hope they send Burchill to SD! after this. The guy has a lot of potential and obvious in-ring talent. Katie Lea is also nice to look at too so I would love to see them really get a chance. Perhaps a team with Drew McIntyre could help them? Or just simply actually treat them with some respect. I just keep going back to him getting that Pirate gimmick over and seriously, how many people honestly could have done that?

At 11/18/09 01:52 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Last night was the first I caught ECW in awhile (I tuned in for the Burchill/Hurricane match) I really hope they send Burchill to SD! after this. The guy has a lot of potential and obvious in-ring talent. Katie Lea is also nice to look at too so I would love to see them really get a chance. Perhaps a team with Drew McIntyre could help them? Or just simply actually treat them with some respect. I just keep going back to him getting that Pirate gimmick over and seriously, how many people honestly could have done that?

If Vince had only told those 'copyright infringement' whiners to stick it up their asses........I STILL miss that gimmick...... ;(

Here's hoping he can get another shot in the ol' spotlight.

Pirate Paul was a fun gimmick. I doubt he'd go back to it though. I do hope they put him on SD as his talent could really be utilized there.

It was good seeing Punk on ECW again, his teaming with Regal was good as they seemed to work well together and this helped them get some momentum going into the PPV.

One thing that pissed me off though. Tiffany saying that Punk wasn't human becase he doesn't drink. Look I get it that Punk is a heel and being straigt edge is now uncool in the eyes of the WWE but come on. I don't drink either so to hell with you, worst speaker on T.V. ever Tiffany.

I FINALLY got around to watching RAW............WOW.

Kofi has sealed his status in the big leagues in just one night. When he first showed up, I wasn't sure he'd advance beyond the mid-card, and BOOOOOOOOY WAS I MISTAKEN. I don't think I've ever seen Randy get beaten up that badly before - and all while still looking strong at the same time.

Awesomeness.

The Roddy segments were all good, too...........although I see Chris Masters' 'pec-formance' bit getting old REEEEEEAL fast. It was funny the first time w/ Ozzy, but it's already beginning to go south.

At 11/19/09 11:04 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: One thing that pissed me off though. Tiffany saying that Punk wasn't human becase he doesn't drink. Look I get it that Punk is a heel and being straigt edge is now uncool in the eyes of the WWE but come on. I don't drink either so to hell with you, worst speaker on T.V. ever Tiffany.

It's especially stupid when you consider how WWE has been pushing their product is TV PG and they're going after kids again. I mean, shouldn't the point of Punk's gimmick at this point be that his ideals are admirable, but nobody likes a preachy self-righteous ass? It's a lot like what I thought was a bit stupid on ROH commentary when they'd sit there and be like "he looks down on you if you're drinking a beer or smoking a bowl while watching this" and it's like "uh, shouldn't we NOT be promoting illegal activity?" but considering the audience they market to, it's not as big a stupid as what Tiffany said last night, yeah.

At 11/19/09 11:50 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
It's especially stupid when you consider how WWE has been pushing their product is TV PG and they're going after kids again. I mean, shouldn't the point of Punk's gimmick at this point be that his ideals are admirable, but nobody likes a preachy self-righteous ass? It's a lot like what I thought was a bit stupid on ROH commentary when they'd sit there and be like "he looks down on you if you're drinking a beer or smoking a bowl while watching this" and it's like "uh, shouldn't we NOT be promoting illegal activity?" but considering the audience they market to, it's not as big a stupid as what Tiffany said last night, yeah.

Thats a very good point. Didn't Hogan used to tell kids to stay away from drugs during the 80's? The WWE needs to understand that there is line that they shouldn't cross with this kind of material. Punk is doing a good job in his role by acting like he is better than the audience but they also need to remember that they shouldn't fight him on the point of doing drugs. His attitude should be the problem, not the fact that he doesn't drink or smoke or do any of that other stuff.

I watched ECW. First off...MAN HUG. PEACE SIGN. WHAT IS WRONG WITH REGAL AND PUNK.

Now that that's off my chest, Christian was really funny. *snicker* Nerd.

Anyone else notice how Punk thrashed around when R-Truth poured all that...druggy stuff...on him? I laughed. And I laughed at how Punk cried. I mean, I feel sorry for Phillip, but I laugh at Punk's pain. Also, I keep dreaming about Punk getting hurt. Last night he got attacked by a giant squid. Again. Please help.

*snicker* Nerd.

At 11/20/09 12:20 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Thats a very good point. Didn't Hogan used to tell kids to stay away from drugs during the 80's? The WWE needs to understand that there is line that they shouldn't cross with this kind of material. Punk is doing a good job in his role by acting like he is better than the audience but they also need to remember that they shouldn't fight him on the point of doing drugs. His attitude should be the problem, not the fact that he doesn't drink or smoke or do any of that other stuff.

Let's also consider all the problems WWE has had with guys dying of drug overdoses and guys like Jeff who repeatedly get busted. With Linda running for Senate and her opponents already digging up WWE footage to attack her values, it wouldn't be that hard or that stupid of them to dig up clips like Tuesday and go "see, see, they're ridiculing a guy who follows the rules and doesn't do anything wrong as nerdish and wrong to kids!!!" But I know, expecting WWE to think is the first mistake.

I expect to see Teddy have a breakdown at some point....... :(

Morrison is still champ, in what was yet another good match - but when AREN'T matches with him good?

Jericho looks more & more like a complete pussy.

Rey=2, Batista=0. It's always fun to see a short, fast guy make a big, tough guy look stupid. :P

At 11/21/09 12:01 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 11/20/09 12:20 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Thats a very good point. Didn't Hogan used to tell kids to stay away from drugs during the 80's? The WWE needs to understand that there is line that they shouldn't cross with this kind of material. Punk is doing a good job in his role by acting like he is better than the audience but they also need to remember that they shouldn't fight him on the point of doing drugs. His attitude should be the problem, not the fact that he doesn't drink or smoke or do any of that other stuff.

Let's also consider all the problems WWE has had with guys dying of drug overdoses and guys like Jeff who repeatedly get busted. With Linda running for Senate and her opponents already digging up WWE footage to attack her values, it wouldn't be that hard or that stupid of them to dig up clips like Tuesday and go "see, see, they're ridiculing a guy who follows the rules and doesn't do anything wrong as nerdish and wrong to kids!!!" But I know, expecting WWE to think is the first mistake.

Unfortunately, the end result of the 'intervention' segment on SD only makes things worse. I'm actually feeling sorry for Punk now - a rarity for me regarding most heels.

At 11/21/09 12:01 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Let's also consider all the problems WWE has had with guys dying of drug overdoses and guys like Jeff who repeatedly get busted.

Please don't say the name 'Jeff'. He actually scares me a little now. *shudder*

With Linda running for Senate

Who?

and her opponents already digging up WWE footage to attack her values, it wouldn't be that hard or that stupid of them to dig up clips like Tuesday and go "see, see, they're ridiculing a guy who follows the rules and doesn't do anything wrong as nerdish and wrong to kids!!!"

Nerd.
God, I can't wait to say that to Punk's face at the SmackDown! thing.
"Hey, can I have your autograph, nerd?"

But I know, expecting WWE to think is the first mistake.

Th...ink?

At 11/21/09 07:21 PM, Assi9 wrote: I expect to see Teddy have a breakdown at some point....... :(

EXCUSE ME!!! EXCUSE ME!!!?! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?!?! TEDDY LOVES VICKIE GUERERRO!!!! SHE ISN'T ANNOYING OR CRAZY AT ALL!!!!!!!

Morrison is still champ, in what was yet another good match - but when AREN'T matches with him good?

True. The Hairdo With Abs is awesome. I mean...oh god. I hate the Miz now. Because of him, I forgot all other words but awesome.

Jericho looks more & more like a complete pussy.

Yep.

Rey=2, Batista=0. It's always fun to see a short, fast guy make a big, tough guy look stupid. :P

Totally. Hehehe.

Unfortunately, the end result of the 'intervention' segment on SD only makes things worse. I'm actually feeling sorry for Punk now - a rarity for me regarding most heels.

I don't feel sorry for Punk. I feel sorry for Phillip, 'cause he's probably hurting right now, but...*snicker* Punk was crying. Seriously, he was. Look at the footage. You can clearly see a tear. :D

I think your spot on as usual. However I'd like to see HBK get another chance to hold the title. With HBK on top it would give us a chance at at least some somewhat new matches and could lead to HHH/HBk at Mania, which would be great. But I think you are right in that Cena will probably win and that Hornswaggle will show up and ruin things. Wait...Is DX really fueding with a little person?

When I look at Kofi's team I keep thinking 'One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong." lol

At 11/22/09 09:33 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: When I look at Kofi's team I keep thinking 'One of these things is not like the other, one of these things doesn't belong." lol

My thoughts exactly.
God, Christian. And I was just starting to like you.

*snicker* Nerd.

Anyway...I didn't see Survivor Series yet. Don't ruin it for me. But I think Undertaker retained, right? 'Cause there's gonna be a match for the Heavyweight title at the ECW/SmackDown! event I'm going to, with Punk and Batista and 'Taker...am I right? Does the Undertaker retain his title?! GOD, TELL ME!! I GOTS TO KNOW!

At 11/22/09 10:15 PM, MaraquanWocky wrote: Anyway...I didn't see Survivor Series yet. Don't ruin it for me. But I think Undertaker retained, right? 'Cause there's gonna be a match for the Heavyweight title at the ECW/SmackDown! event I'm going to, with Punk and Batista and 'Taker...am I right? Does the Undertaker retain his title?! GOD, TELL ME!! I GOTS TO KNOW!

Taker retained with plenty of fodder to believe JeriShow is going to be headed towards an imminent break up. Which then begs the question of who are your next undisputed tag champs? Seems like unless they want to go with "We just turned on each other because the belt is the most important thing" story with DX, they don't seem to be a viable team to put the belts on either. Perhaps this just means the undisputed tag titles will already lose their luster.

I'm a bit suprised that Miz's team won last night. I thought for sure they would even his score with Morrison to 1 to 1. I guess WWE is giving Miz a chance to be a stronger heel than before while also giving the rub to the new guys they are pushing.

I wonder how HHH will react tonight since he got hit by Sweet Chin Music several times in the match. It will definatly be an interesting turn for DX.

Man, Kofi is on a roll. I hope this continues since he is so damn entertaining in the ring.

Okay, I finally got to see my very first Survivor Series. My first thought: Awesomeness. My second thought: I am now a fan of CM Punk. My third thought: Someone hit me over the head with a bat and knock some sense into me.
Also, I didn't know my favorite wrestler(Kofi!!)and my least favorite wrestler(you know who she is. *snicker*)were in a tag team before.
Since I was watching Survivor Series today, I didn't catch RAW. Did Jerry Lawler get pied in the face?

Ugh, DX will be appearing in Little People's Court next week and Verne Troyer is the guest host. They're going to dress him up like a little judge aren't they? I wish I had five thousand hands so I could face palm five thousand times.

Anyone else not happy with Sheamus being the number one contender. I'm a little grateful Orton didn't win, but super ginger was next on my list of people I didn't want to see win.

I wonder if Edge might make a non-wrestling appearance at TLC and cost Jerishow the titles. I miss the guy.

Sheamus winning was a suprise in my book. I don't think he'll win at TLC though. Man, Ventura still has it. His promo to kick off Raw sounded like he was readijng some of our posts. He said the main event was old and stale as we have been saying and I really liked the idea of the three hours. Give a guy who has never been champion a shot. I cringed when Orton got into the match but thankfully Kofi got rid of him.

I'm a bit suprised that neither Miz or Morrison was a part of this. The stipulation was WWE or Heavyweight titles, not the U.S. or IC... Oh well, we got some decent matches anyway.

Little Peoples Court? Kill me now.

At 11/24/09 03:11 AM, boloneyman wrote: Ugh, DX will be appearing in Little People's Court next week and Verne Troyer is the guest host. They're going to dress him up like a little judge aren't they? I wish I had five thousand hands so I could face palm five thousand times.

Good god i do see that happening next week, i almost forgot that he was hosting raw next week. That would just be awful if they did that, but i could really see that happening. From what i've heard DX won't be together much longer so lests enjoy it while it lasts

Anyone else not happy with Sheamus being the number one contender. I'm a little grateful Orton didn't win, but super ginger was next on my list of people I didn't want to see win.

I'm glad that theres a new face in the title picture, but Sheamus has just been wrestling random matches since he has made his way over to raw about a month ago. With little momentum to run with i'm shocked they threw him in a main event so fast. I would bet money that super cena will win again. They really had many other choices that i would put way before sheamus, he's not even a after thought the main event in my opinion yet.

At 11/25/09 12:08 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: HE DID IT
HE DID IT

it's like 1st grade all over again..

I know I haven't been on here for a while but there's something I gotta get off my chest..
Apparently WWE has "given up" on Dolph Ziggler.. is it Ziggler's fault? hell no!
If there's someone who has been booked so weakly lately Dolph is one of the first wrestlers that comes to mind, he has had many opportunities for a push and he never got the chance to take the ball and run with it.. but he's not doing anything wrong
his wrestling skill is good, he gets a good reaction from the crowd, people like him
so i don't get how they're "giving up on him" They didn't give him the title when mysterio had to drop it, I'm fine with Morrison getting it.. but when Ziggler lost that 2 out of 3 falls match, I feel they made a poor decision.. Ziggler needs the title more than Morrison

I seriously hope they will reconsider Ziggler's position, he is real good talent

At 11/24/09 03:11 AM, boloneyman wrote: Anyone else not happy with Sheamus being the number one contender. I'm a little grateful Orton didn't win, but super ginger was next on my list of people I didn't want to see win.

I'm not entirely disappointed, it's not everyday that someone different gets a shot at the title
but i dunno... Sheamus is still too new
Don't get me wrong, he's pretty damn good.. hopefully a future HOFer.. but this scenario does remind me of how WWE gave Umaga that really huge push too early in his run, then after cena beat him at RR he just started moving down the ladder and sorta floating around the midcard area
But I think I know the meaning of this push.. apparently in an Interview, HHH stated that he's become pretty tight with Sheamus, so much that they actually work out today regularly.. so if Trips has this guys back, then he'll most likely get alot of chances

also now apparently WWE has "given up" on Jack Swagger too.. I'm not even gonna get started with this one.. If you wanna know what I think about it, just read read what I wrote about WWE "giving up" on Dolph Ziggler.. It pretty much sums it up here.

At 11/25/09 08:48 PM, Random-Her03 wrote:
I seriously hope they will reconsider Ziggler's position, he is real good talent

To be fair, I think it was better that Morrison won their last match because of the IC champ versus the US champ at Survivor Series. It has even been a week since the last match, so who is to say there won't be another one? I'm hoping that Ziggler will get a match at TLC and win it there, because it is hard to go wrong with a ladder match for the IC title. WWE hasn't given up on you if you are still appearing on TV regularly.

Swagger? Isn't he feuding for the US title right now? Doesn't mean as much, but I think if Swagger gets a good run with the title, he could easily step up to the main event picture.

Your post does remind me of the fact that Carlito has been a ghost. Did he complain about something again? They really need to get the Colons off the same show if they aren't doing anything together,

I don't see where WWE has "given up" on Ziggler, he's in a great feud with a guy they're strapping the rocket to and he's not getting killed all the time. You don't always have to be winning to be getting over. Look at Foley's famous HIAC match, he LOST that match but all anybody remembers are the crazy bumps, even Taker's involvement in that match has become incidental. Wins and losses don't always matter.

As far as Sheamus, I think it's too soon. I applaud them getting behind the guy and really trying to elevate a fresh face and it's probably the right match to do it in since he can just brutalize Cena and then something or someone can save Cena or he can get a hope spot. But essentially? For this to work Superman has to just BARELY by the skin of his fingernails get by this guy.

At 11/26/09 11:16 AM, boloneyman wrote:
Your post does remind me of the fact that Carlito has been a ghost. Did he complain about something again? They really need to get the Colons off the same show if they aren't doing anything together,

It's strange, I was just thinking the same thing. He hasn't been on TV in forever. I wonder if he is just letting his contract expire or if WWE is waiting to put him in something different and give him a fresh start. Though given the past history it might be best if for him if he goes to TNA.

As far as Red and Pale goes.... Its just too early. He hasn't done a whole lot, since he has mostly beaten up jobbers and kicked a ringcrew guy and Lawler. There are other guys who haven't had title shots that have been around longer that could have gotten this shot, like MVP or even Mark Henry. If They are going to make this at all credible then Cena needs tojust barely win. the fact that they are going to be in a tables match can make it so that Cena can pull a move out of nowhere to put Mr. no-tan through a table to win.

Sup guys (and girl). I don't believe I weighed in on what's going down in the WWE right now, and I think I should.

I think I should talk about Kofi Kingston first. You know what my biggest problem with Kofi Kingston was a few months ago? Any time anything bad happened to him, he just stood there and smiled like a goof, and if we were lucky, he'd cut a promo in that stupid Jamaican accent, and make you even less emotionally invested in his feuds. Thankfully, it seems as if WWE are inside my head (or at least starting to think sensibly), because they solved both those problems.

It took guts for the WWE to just drop the Jamaican thing altogether, as it sort of jeopardises the suspension of disbelief that is so necessary for the business (and any entertainment business) to work. Thankfully the risk paid off, and now Kofi Kingston is hot shit. Before he was always drifting around in the midcard doing nothing. He had good matches and made for a solid undercard on PPVs, but there was never any reason to invest any emotion other than "Wow" into his matches, and moves with a thousand flips get boring eventually, where good emotional storytelling never does.

I think what I'm trying to say is; kudos to the WWE. For a long time we have bashed the WWE for putting the same stale thing out there, and suppressing young talent so John Cena and Randy Orton can headline another PPV, so I think they deserve credit when they actually do something right. I'm glad that the Kofi thing seems to be the start of a whole new initiative from the WWE to elevate talent.

I think it may be too soon to put Sheamus in a world title match, but I also don't think it is anywhere near the worst thing they could've done. At least it falls in the category of trying to elevate new guys (albeit with some risk involved), rather than the same old stale thing they always do. With falling buyrates, now is the perfect time to try risky things, even if it is with a relatively unknown person.

They will have to book it carefully to make sure Sheamus doesn't get buried, since he's obviously not getting the belt, but only time will tell if they're capable of booking that well. They could even go with Sheamus getting disqualified for being to vicious, and they can have a clean finish on the other world title bout.

I have a question for you guys though: Do you think Punk is a true main eventer now? I'm not sure he's been booked strong enough to be considered firmly on that level, and hopefully feuding with R-Truth will pull Killings up rather than drag Punk back down to the midcard. Ideally they'll both be elevated, but I'm not sure there's enough in a feud with Truth for Punk to dig his teeth into. R-Truth really fills the role Kofi did before: he just seems to be there drifting about not doing much. Though I did like that he got the mic at the start of the survivor series match.

Just something else I thought I'd mention: I love Christian's entrance. His music really gets me psyched for his matches. I wish they'd move him to a different brand in some main event capacity, I don't think he has to be the guy establishing the young people on ECW, but this is just me hoping.

Last thing in this overly-long post: I was thinking, remember that WWE survey that was posted a while back (By Avie if I remember right)? It's interesting to think that they wanted to get people's opinions and now they're making quite radical changes to the product. It's kind of cool to think we all could've played a part in the good things that are going down right about now, especially when the WWE has previously ignored any opinion that didn't jibe with Vince's crazy view of the wrestling business.

And while I remember: Happy Thanksgiving to all the Americans in the house! Hope you're having a nice day. Hope I haven't wasted people's time too much with this post, I just thought I should post my opinions on the exciting developments.

At 11/26/09 02:30 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I don't see where WWE has "given up" on Ziggler, he's in a great feud with a guy they're strapping the rocket to and he's not getting killed all the time. You don't always have to be winning to be getting over. Look at Foley's famous HIAC match, he LOST that match but all anybody remembers are the crazy bumps, even Taker's involvement in that match has become incidental. Wins and losses don't always matter.

source: www.f4wonline.com

For those keeping track, Dolph Ziggler has taken part in twenty-six Intercontinental title matches at various events (televised and non-televised) within the past few months, losing all but two. He won one match via count-out with another match being ruled a double count-out. Furthermore, he has come up short in retrieving the title on television on seven different occasions including Night of Champions, SummerSlam, Hell in the Cell and four separate episodes of Friday Night SmackDown.

Ziggler was at one point scheduled to win the title from Rey Mysterio over the summer, but the high-flying Superstar vetoed dropping the title to him on more than one occasion. When push came to shove as a result of a 30-day suspension for violating the company's drug testing policy in early September, Mysterio agreed to drop the title to John Morrison.

Now it appears that the ship has sailed on Ziggler nabbing the gold as WWE officials have reportedly "given up on him."

also about carlito
remember when he was considering leaving WWE a couple of years back and how much WWE fought hard for him to stay? now days it looks like WWE wouldn't even care if a sack of bricks fell out of the sky and crushed him..
I know I've heard that Carlito can become quite unmotivated, but still he is a good wrestler to have on your side.. it was a big mistake splitting him and primo up.. If WWE does decide to keep Carlito around, they should switch him to ECW.. he'd make a pretty good fit there

At 11/26/09 05:23 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: source: www.f4wonline.com

Which already is dodgy for me since I've NEVER HEARD OF THESE GUYS. Sorry but if it isn't PWInsider, or the Observer...or to a lesser extent 1wrestling or The Torch, places I KNOW have actual sources within the company, I tend to think it's a mixture of opinion and fiction at work unless proven otherwise.

For those keeping track, Dolph Ziggler has taken part in twenty-six Intercontinental title matches at various events (televised and non-televised) within the past few months, losing all but two. He won one match via count-out with another match being ruled a double count-out. Furthermore, he has come up short in retrieving the title on television on seven different occasions including Night of Champions, SummerSlam, Hell in the Cell and four separate episodes of Friday Night SmackDown.

With the buyrates falling, the PPV loses aren't hurting him. The TV bouts are very strong and usually wind up with Morrison and Ziggler being portrayed as very evenly matched and Morrison just managing to get the victory over him. The fact that they continue to have him feuding with a top guy like Morrison certainly suggests to me they're still behind this guy and will probably be putting the title on him at some point soon.

Ziggler was at one point scheduled to win the title from Rey Mysterio over the summer, but the high-flying Superstar vetoed dropping the title to him on more than one occasion. When push came to shove as a result of a 30-day suspension for violating the company's drug testing policy in early September, Mysterio agreed to drop the title to John Morrison.

I have NEVER heard that. Never, I don't believe Mysterio has that kind of power in any way shape or form. There are only three or four people within the company that I believe have Vince's ear enough to make that kind of call and Mysterio is not one of them. I heard there was a point where they had some doubts about Ziggler, or he'd done something to get heat on himself, but nothing to where Rey refused to drop the belt to him. So I call bullshit on this story.

Now it appears that the ship has sailed on Ziggler nabbing the gold as WWE officials have reportedly "given up on him."

Reported by who? This site? That's convenient since if you ask them for a source they'll be all like "oh we can't reveal that cause they'd get fired". If they had truly given up on Ziggler, he either wouldn't be on TV, or he'd be jobbing to anyone with a pulse that they saw some value in like Evan Bourne does every monday.

also about carlito
remember when he was considering leaving WWE a couple of years back and how much WWE fought hard for him to stay? now days it looks like WWE wouldn't even care if a sack of bricks fell out of the sky and crushed him..

Sure seems so. Carlito is a guy though that seems very hard to motivate and really the turn around with the teaming with Primo seemed more about Carlito upping his game so as not to be left in the dust by his little brother work wise. I've said it before, I'll say it again, they have no need to really push a guy with a bad attitude that thinks he's great. They've done that before with guys like Warrior and Lesnar and it bit them in the ass and really wound up costing them more then they made back off of them. So I don't blame them if they look at a guy like Carlito and go "nah, not worth the headache...we have so many other guys that are just as good or better that could be assets"

I know I've heard that Carlito can become quite unmotivated, but still he is a good wrestler to have on your side.. it was a big mistake splitting him and primo up.. If WWE does decide to keep Carlito around, they should switch him to ECW.. he'd make a pretty good fit there

I think they should, in part just to see what he would do. Would he take it as a demotion and whine and bitch and slack? Or would he see it as a land of opportunity where he could grow and show everyone that the immaturity and bad attitude of the past has disappeared? Seems to me if they're on the bubble as to what to do with him this would be the way to go. Stick him on ECW and see what happens.

Lemme' get this straight......Creative has just blamed the entire 'Festus' gimmick on..........DRUG ADDICTION!? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!? *facepalms*

Round 2 of "Vickie, you're an ugly bitch, and I only slept with you to get my foot in the door".

Sheamus - or, as I'd like to call him, "The Guy Who Makes Conan O'Brien Look Black" - getting a title shot? Really? Yeah, it IS too soon. But if he really is friends with Trips, it all makes sense.

Didn't know that Ventura & Vince were ever ANNOUNCERS.......not too bad, either.

At 11/28/09 07:49 PM, Assi9 wrote: Lemme' get this straight......Creative has just blamed the entire 'Festus' gimmick on..........DRUG ADDICTION!? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!? *facepalms*

I'm fine with it because the problem with that gimmick was always once the tag team broke up there really was nothing more that could be done with it. The guy has shown some talent too so any sort of repackaging to me is fine. I also have to give them some credit for not just trotting him out and acting like you'd never seen him before. I wonder if this isn't actually the start of Punk building himself a bit of a stable since he said this was only the beginning and this does almost seem eerily similar to Steven Richards and Right To Censor...

Round 2 of "Vickie, you're an ugly bitch, and I only slept with you to get my foot in the door".

Yeah, I was reeeeeeeeally unhappy with that segment. Maybe they did this though as basically a quick admission that the guy isn't all that good and if Vicki is going to be put with somebody it better be somebody with more talent. But it really is getting tired that they keep going back to the old "Vicki isn't attractive and is a total pig" thing.

Sheamus - or, as I'd like to call him, "The Guy Who Makes Conan O'Brien Look Black" - getting a title shot? Really? Yeah, it IS too soon. But if he really is friends with Trips, it all makes sense.

I don't know that he knows Trips, I just know the company is high on him and it seems like they've finally gotten to the point where they're willing to try some new talents out and start building for the future. I hope it's going to work out for them for the long term health of the shows and can only wonder what might have become of some of the guys they've let walk away the last few years out of frustration that they weren't ever really being moved up in any way.

Didn't know that Ventura & Vince were ever ANNOUNCERS.......not too bad, either.

You really are a new fan if you didn't know dat :). I remember Vince as the lead announcer when I began watching, and nobody knew he actually owned the damn company unless you were very much in the know or had been a long time fan. They used to make it seem like Jack Tuney was in charge, lol.

I enjoyed Vince and Jessie on commentary. It was like a blast from the past and the way they wer doing it, it felt like they never left. It was a good moment on Raw.

I missed the first half of SD so this news about Festus has me confused. He's done with the dumb guy thing and is calling that a drug problem?

I think if Batista keeps up this intensity he will make one hell of a heel. His attack on the Undertaker was brutal, and will make the fans want Batista to get destroyed by the Dead Man when they have their title match. Sure we've seen it before but this time there will be no crowd division like they had in the past.

At 11/28/09 11:38 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I missed the first half of SD so this news about Festus has me confused. He's done with the dumb guy thing and is calling that a drug problem?

CM Punk comes out with another guy, introduces him as Lou/Luke/whatever-he-said Gallows, and proceeds to mention that one may have formerly recognized him as Festus. (I didn't even recognize him until he said it.) Punk then goes & basically says that the whole thing was a drug-induced stupor, and he has now taken him under his wing.

At 11/28/09 10:42 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 11/28/09 07:49 PM, Assi9 wrote: Lemme' get this straight......Creative has just blamed the entire 'Festus' gimmick on..........DRUG ADDICTION!? HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!? *facepalms*

I'm fine with it because the problem with that gimmick was always once the tag team broke up there really was nothing more that could be done with it. The guy has shown some talent too so any sort of repackaging to me is fine. I also have to give them some credit for not just trotting him out and acting like you'd never seen him before. I wonder if this isn't actually the start of Punk building himself a bit of a stable since he said this was only the beginning and this does almost seem eerily similar to Steven Richards and Right To Censor...

I'm all for reinventing guys, but there had better be some logic behind it. I don't know how anyone can believe that the whole gimmick was drug-induced. Hypnosis-induced, yes; drug-induced, no.

Round 2 of "Vickie, you're an ugly bitch, and I only slept with you to get my foot in the door".

Yeah, I was reeeeeeeeally unhappy with that segment. Maybe they did this though as basically a quick admission that the guy isn't all that good and if Vicki is going to be put with somebody it better be somebody with more talent. But it really is getting tired that they keep going back to the old "Vicki isn't attractive and is a total pig" thing.

I have to wonder about her level of self-esteem (in real life) at this point.

Sheamus - or, as I'd like to call him, "The Guy Who Makes Conan O'Brien Look Black" - getting a title shot? Really? Yeah, it IS too soon. But if he really is friends with Trips, it all makes sense.

I don't know that he knows Trips, I just know the company is high on him and it seems like they've finally gotten to the point where they're willing to try some new talents out and start building for the future. I hope it's going to work out for them for the long term health of the shows and can only wonder what might have become of some of the guys they've let walk away the last few years out of frustration that they weren't ever really being moved up in any way.

Only going by one of randomhero3's posts............although now I'd like some better proof of that. Still, it makes sense given that we have a guy who's barely been in this business at all, and who's only been on RAW for A MONTH, suddenly getting a major title shot.

Didn't know that Ventura & Vince were ever ANNOUNCERS.......not too bad, either.

You really are a new fan if you didn't know dat :). I remember Vince as the lead announcer when I began watching, and nobody knew he actually owned the damn company unless you were very much in the know or had been a long time fan. They used to make it seem like Jack Tuney was in charge, lol.

I was a wrestling fan back then, too, but I was 5, and have absolutely no recollection whatsoever of ANYTHING from back then, beyond the wrestlers themselves (and I had a bunch of the action figures). Also, I was bad at paying attention to TV shows back then, too.