At 6/5/09 07:17 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Actually, both sets of tag titles were defended. JoMo and The Miz were in one match and Hardcore Holly and Priceless were in the other. In the first night of champions, all nine titles were on the line, and last year all eight were on the line (cruiserweight was disbanded by this point I think). This year will likely feature all championships like the two previous.

I could have sworn there was 1 title that wasn't defended...or maybe I'm thinking that because they were just creating the Diva's Title then?

Due to unforeseen surprise circumstances, I didn't quite catch all of SD tonight; I did see the majority of the Edge / Mysterio match, which was quite good - but then again, most matches with Mysterio are generally good.

Something I have to point out about Jericho: One thing I'm beginning to respect about him is the fact that he doesn't seem to use the '4 Moves of Doom' formula in his matches. He uses his signatures, but he does them in seemingly different orders every match. I have to give him credit on that.

For those who caught TNA last night, has Taz revealed himself fully to the TNA audience yet? Was I correct on a warm welcome by them?

Back to the WWE side, again: Where did Ezekiel Jackson go off to? I have high hopes for the guy as a possible main eventer at some point, but then I saw THE Ballsac Kendrick going around looking for someone else to hide behind......

At 6/5/09 08:19 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Recent photos of Masters show him to be certainly a lot smaller than he was back when he was getting canned for Wellness. Perhaps there's a chance he's learnt his lesson, improved his skills and matured in the time since then, but we'll have to wait and see.

Here's a side-by-side comparison to show how much he has gone down since his previous WWE run.

O_O Yeah, that DEFINITELY proves he was pumping 'roids at the time. I'm just a little shocked Vince gave him a whopping THIRD chance. He must like the guy.

At 6/5/09 08:19 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Recent photos of Masters show him to be certainly a lot smaller than he was back when he was getting canned for Wellness. Perhaps there's a chance he's learnt his lesson, improved his skills and matured in the time since then, but we'll have to wait and see.

perhaps it could be the reason they're giving him another run.

At 6/6/09 03:17 AM, Assi9 wrote: Back to the WWE side, again: Where did Ezekiel Jackson go off to? I have high hopes for the guy as a possible main eventer at some point, but then I saw THE Ballsac Kendrick going around looking for someone else to hide behind......

Jackson got drafted to ECW. I haven't been able to watch that show for a while due to work so I'm not sure if he's shown up on it yet.

SD was really good last night. We got some competitive matches that were really enjoyable to watch. Jericho vs R-Truth was good, CM Punk vs. Umaga kicked ass, and the main event was awesome. The opening bit between Edge and Jeff was also well done and of course when you give Jericho the mic he can't help but be good.

Overall SD was better than Raw this week. I think it did a better job in getting people ready for the PPV.

At 6/6/09 11:28 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Jackson got drafted to ECW. I haven't been able to watch that show for a while due to work so I'm not sure if he's shown up on it yet.

Nope, he's yet to appear. I'm sensing the old F'E'd very soon.

SD was really good last night. We got some competitive matches that were really enjoyable to watch. Jericho vs R-Truth was good, CM Punk vs. Umaga kicked ass, and the main event was awesome. The opening bit between Edge and Jeff was also well done and of course when you give Jericho the mic he can't help but be good.

Overall SD was better than Raw this week. I think it did a better job in getting people ready for the PPV.

Yup, there wasn't a single match on Smackdown (barring the Diva one which I skipped) that I didn't enjoy. Even Khali was tollerable. In my honest opinion Smackdown will continue to be the A brand at least until the 2010 draft, when Raw can take everyone who's been made to look great on Smackdown, and have them job out to the usual suspects.

Apparently Vince is going for a different image with all three of his brands. Raw is the sports-entertainent brand, featuring more skits and what not rather than actual wrestling. SD is the "wrestling" brand with longer, technical matches and ECW is the televised development territory young up-and-comers can learn the tricks of the trade and establish themselves with the crowd.

Zeke and Candice Michelle are the only 2 who have yet to appear on TV since the draft, and i have heard that Candice is returning very soon. I was really looking forward to seeing a singles run for Zeke, but then again he isn't released yet or anything so maybe we'll just give it some more time.

But I do like that they're giving everyone in the supp draft a go, Ziggler, Ryder, Smith, hell even seeing Helms as a backstage announcer is good enough for me. A handful of wrestlers that were involved in the supp draft last year barely got used.. Big Daddy V, Trevor Murdoch, DH Smith, Chuck Palumbo, Matt Striker had like one match on RAW before going back to ECW, Super Crazy i think never had a match on ECW and was moved to SD! without any explanation..

Here's hoping they do keep Zeke on the payroll; it'd be a very stupid move if they didn't, when he's clearly future Title holder material. I see him getting the ECW Championship very soon.

Ah, I knew there was a few matches I was forgetting: The Punk / Umaga match was great, but I have to wonder why they're 'letting Umaga speak' now all of a sudden - something I see as a horrible move. Jamal (that's his real name, right?) IS UMAGA; screwing with the gimmick he's established his career on over all these years reeks of suck.

At 6/6/09 12:00 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Apparently Vince is going for a different image with all three of his brands. Raw is the sports-entertainent brand, featuring more skits and what not rather than actual wrestling. SD is the "wrestling" brand with longer, technical matches and ECW is the televised development territory young up-and-comers can learn the tricks of the trade and establish themselves with the crowd.

Hm, maybe that's the method to his madness.....

At 6/6/09 12:27 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: But I do like that they're giving everyone in the supp draft a go, Ziggler, Ryder, Smith, hell even seeing Helms as a backstage announcer is good enough for me. A handful of wrestlers that were involved in the supp draft last year barely got used.. Big Daddy V, Trevor Murdoch, DH Smith, Chuck Palumbo, Matt Striker had like one match on RAW before going back to ECW, Super Crazy i think never had a match on ECW and was moved to SD! without any explanation..

What happened to BDV & Palumbo? Palumbo wouldn't surprise me if he got axed again, but BDV had been on somewhat of a roll.

Already seen where Murdoch went...........JETHRO HOLIDAY!? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIM!?

At 6/6/09 12:00 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Nope, he's yet to appear. I'm sensing the old F'E'd very soon.

The mania number was down, but not down as much as some feared. A few developmental guys are gone, and Kennedy is gone, so it makes me wonder if that's going to buy some of these folks some time. Personally though, some of this TV time going to the "woo woo" man Zack Ryder could be given to developing Jackson and seeing if he's worth anything really.

Overall SD was better than Raw this week. I think it did a better job in getting people ready for the PPV.

I won't buy the PPV sunday, but I might buy the DVD solely for Jericho/Mysterio, and Edge/Hardy. That is how good the build for those two bouts has been. SD! has done a very good job making fans care about this PPV, and I like that they have kind of protected Punk here in proving he can beat Umaga when he most likely won't be winning Sunday I'd think (unless the idea is to put Punk and Umaga on an even playing field win wise).

Yup, there wasn't a single match on Smackdown (barring the Diva one which I skipped) that I didn't enjoy. Even Khali was tollerable. In my honest opinion Smackdown will continue to be the A brand at least until the 2010 draft, when Raw can take everyone who's been made to look great on Smackdown, and have them job out to the usual suspects.

Yeah, or they can just pick off from SD! throughout the year if they really feel like it, and I could see that happening if MyNetwork tv collapses and SD! goes on an even lower penetration network.

Apparently Vince is going for a different image with all three of his brands. Raw is the sports-entertainent brand, featuring more skits and what not rather than actual wrestling. SD is the "wrestling" brand with longer, technical matches and ECW is the televised development territory young up-and-comers can learn the tricks of the trade and establish themselves with the crowd.

At 6/6/09 07:40 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Personally though, some of this TV time going to the "woo woo" man Zack Ryder could be given to developing Jackson and seeing if he's worth anything really.

I do agree, but i actually like Ryder, he's not a bad wrestler, his gimmick pisses people off which is good for him, being that he's a heel. Also his finisher is pretty creative.

At 6/6/09 10:52 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: I do agree, but i actually like Ryder, he's not a bad wrestler, his gimmick pisses people off which is good for him, being that he's a heel. Also his finisher is pretty creative.

His gimmick is INSIPID, it's going to do nothing for him and it's a complete one trick pony idea. Also, how is he even really that much of a heel? I don't know what he is other then a decent, not phenomenal worker, with a horrible gimmick that does nothing for him. Miz used to be horrible, but then he really found himself as a heel and was able to really put his personality across and be in a pushed team with a very good in ring worker who could help him get better at the work aspect.

Miz is the type of heel that does annoying heat right, and pisses the crowd off the proper way. If the crowd hates you and wants to pay to see you get beat, congratulations, you are an effective heel and shall draw money. If you're a heel, and the crowd hates you and wants you to go away, congrats, you fucked up and will never draw a dime.

At 6/7/09 01:41 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: His gimmick is INSIPID, it's going to do nothing for him and it's a complete one trick pony idea. Also, how is he even really that much of a heel? I don't know what he is other then a decent, not phenomenal worker, with a horrible gimmick that does nothing for him. Miz used to be horrible, but then he really found himself as a heel and was able to really put his personality across and be in a pushed team with a very good in ring worker who could help him get better at the work aspect.

Miz is the type of heel that does annoying heat right, and pisses the crowd off the proper way. If the crowd hates you and wants to pay to see you get beat, congratulations, you are an effective heel and shall draw money. If you're a heel, and the crowd hates you and wants you to go away, congrats, you fucked up and will never draw a dime.

to be honest i see a lot of miz in zack ryder
when miz first debuted he was the annoying guy with his own personal quote (HOO-RAH!), which he would constantly shout every week, he would act like a tool and would constantly be shouting in the ring. (still does kinda..), but most of all, nobody took him seriously..

Give time for Ryder to blossom on his own, to me, Miz doesn't fit into the main event elite yet, but then again thats only my opinion, a lot of other people think otherwise coz he's up in a high place now.

I wouldn't consider Miz a main event guy just yet but he has been playing a very effective heel and may very well get a chance to work a decent program with Cena. I think a run with the U.S. Title would help him a lot since he would be a hated heel that people would want to see lose the belt.

The Zack situation kinda reminds me of X-pac. He got hated alright but it was the "get off my tv and stop wasting my time" kind of heat.

Wow, didn't see that coming. Hopefully they'll give Punk a decent run this time around...

i think jeff hardy broke the record of shortest reigning world heavyweight champion... shame really..
hopefully this builds a good fued

At 6/7/09 11:07 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: i think jeff hardy broke the record of shortest reigning world heavyweight champion... shame really..
hopefully this builds a good fued

I thought it was odd to book Jeff to win, and then Punk to beat him. Perhaps we're going to finally get that long awaited Punk heel turn? Or is the idea here simply to run a "no hard feelings Jeff, but I just saw my moment and took it" insertion into the Edge/Hardy arc as Hardy exits? Very interesting possibility.

Also, with Jeff losing in under a minute, I do in fact believe he now holds the record for the shortest title run in pro wrestling history. That being any title, anywhere. Because I really think only in WWE will you see that kind of a scenario booked.

At 6/8/09 12:43 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

:Perhaps we're going to finally get that long awaited Punk heel turn? Or is the idea here simply to run a "no hard feelings Jeff, but I just saw my moment and took it"

i'm gonna go with the latter.

Sadly, I couldn't watch Extreme Rules last night - even though I was wanting to see it.

Poor Jeff......oh well; we knew it was only a matter of time before Punk pulled off the same thing he did last year.

Who won the other matches?

At 6/8/09 06:14 AM, Assi9 wrote: Who won the other matches?

Batista beat Orton: New Champion
Tommy Dreamer pinned Swagger: New Champion (Yay!)
Cena Beat Big Show ( No real suprise there. I don't thinkShow has ever beaten Cena on PPV.)
Santina beat Viki (Who cares?)
Jericho beat Rey: New Champion
Kofi retains U.S. Title
CM Punk Beat Umaga
CM Punk beat Jeff Hardy for the title

That about covers it.

Also... Don't know how true this is but it seems Batista got hurt again. Read it here.

At 6/8/09 07:37 AM, Outlaw88 wrote:

At 6/8/09 06:14 AM, Assi9 wrote: Who won the other matches?

Batista beat Orton: New Champion

There goes all of Orton's heel cred.......

Tommy Dreamer pinned Swagger: New Champion (Yay!)

YES!!! YEEEEESSSSSSS!!!!!! AWESOME!

Cena Beat Big Show ( No real suprise there. I don't thinkShow has ever beaten Cena on PPV.)

No shit. :P How'd he do it this time?

Santina beat Viki (Who cares?)

Me. :P I know, I know, it's a waste of everyone's time, but I hate that whiny bitch. Seriously, WTF did Eddie see in her? Gimmick or no gimmick.

Jericho beat Rey: New Champion

PLEEZ tell me he wasn't unmasked......

Kofi retains U.S. Title

No surprise there, either. Just like I said, I expect a very strong title run.

CM Punk Beat Umaga

Not surprised again. Not like Umaga would lose any cred anyway - I still say his newfound speech will hurt his gimmick, though; it's just too sudden.

Also... Don't know how true this is but it seems Batista got hurt again. Read it here.

Aw, hell; just after beating the shit out that aforementioned remains of Orton's cred..........BAD TIMING!!!

I think it says alot when the WWE chooses to put the title on an injured, injury prone donkey, rather than keep the title on Orton.
They should really move him down to the midcard or something. I know Vince has the hots for him, but he really doesn't do anything for me. He's boring on the mic, boring in the ring, and not even a nice person, apparently.
I suppose at least the number one heel on Raw is the widow of a beloved wrestler. She deserves the position more.

"World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Umaga as of today, June 8, 2009. WWE wishes Umaga the best in all future endeavors."

At 6/8/09 06:29 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: "World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of SmackDown Superstar Umaga as of today, June 8, 2009. WWE wishes Umaga the best in all future endeavors."

SEE!? DIDN'T I FUCKING CALL THIS!? THE MOMENT UMAGA WAS ALLOWED TO SPEAK, HE WAS FLUSHED DOWN THE FUCKING TOILET.

Maybe he 'wanted to get the last word in'. *gets shot*

Well, it sems the age of Orton 2.0 is officially a joke.

At 6/8/09 11:12 PM, l0vemetal wrote: Well, it sems the age of Orton 2.0 is officially a joke.

Yeah, why didn't they just have him suck Triple H off while they were at it. I get that it was a big moment and all, but why do they insist that it's good to have the face just destroy the heel like that? Especially when the heel has his buddies and sees the face coming. It would have been much more effective I think to have done that thing up to when H hit the ring, and just have him and Orton brawl all over the place and back out the building or something. Because now that I've seen Triple H once again destroy Orton and Legacy, where's the impetus for me to want to see this continue? H just proved Orton is utterly a bitch, and Randy isn't even the reigning champion to where they can counter with "but don't you want to see H take the title he never lost off him?" well I can't do that, unless Batista is going to forfeit it next week and cause a tournament.

As for Umaga, wtf? That one is just bizarre as I've heard he was a favorite with management. Seems like there's got to be more to that story (for the record, I know as much as you do at present, probably tomorrow I'll find out what happened).

As to Vickie, heard that was a worked-shoot. Vickie is indeed leaving to spend more time with her daughters and gave notice sometime ago, guess that's why she's been so ineffective and de-emphasized since coming over to RAW. Could be an opportunity for Chavo here if the decide to make him the "wrestler GM" in the vein of Regal or Angle before him. How did the Edge thing go over? I didn't watch the show but I'm curious, was the crowd really behind what Edge was saying, or did this turn Vickie into a sympathetic face on her way out the door? I'm still not sure, but it seems like they are really looking to work an Edge face turn here.

After giving it a little thought, I've realized that this was bound to happen - it's the old 'DO UNTO OTHERS......' rule. Orton did unto others, and now all of that was done unto him, plain & simple.

Come on; the 'Orton Rules Over All' plot HAS to end sometime, don't it? Eventually, there has to be a mutiny of sorts. Maybe Priceless will get tired of being his bitches after a possible Title win from The Colons, and Orton will be left to fend for himself again - at which time he can build himself back up.

But seriously, we all know what the best part of the night was............

"I WANT A DIVORCE!!!!"

All care to sing along with me?

'Ding-dong, THE BITCH IS GONE!

The whiny bitch, the fugly bitch!

Ding-dong, THE WHINY BITCH IS GONE!!!'

To quote Avie's earlier post:

If the crowd hates you and wants to pay to see you get beat, congratulations, you are an effective heel and shall draw money. If you're a heel, and the crowd hates you and wants you to go away, congrats, you fucked up and will never draw a dime.

Vickie is that person that people want to go away; and now, she has.

At 6/7/09 04:42 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: to be honest i see a lot of miz in zack ryder
when miz first debuted he was the annoying guy with his own personal quote (HOO-RAH!), which he would constantly shout every week, he would act like a tool and would constantly be shouting in the ring. (still does kinda..), but most of all, nobody took him seriously..

From what I know, Miz was doing what he was told. Ryder came up with this idea all by himself and apparently thinks the "woo woo" thing will become a catchphrase I guess and make him a face. Yeah no, it's not going to happen. The guy better have a plan friggin B or he's going to be on shaky ground.

Apologies; avie's post popped up right after mine.

Oh, I forgot 3 things: Firstly, I noticed Jamie Noble's back (or has he been on ECW this whole time?); how ironic he got screwed over by none other than Hornswaggle. :P

Second, where is Jessie (as in Festus)? Is he on ECW, too? It still seems a bit odd, though, when the whole purpose of his gimmick was to hang onto Festus - which just doesn't seem right being done by even MORE bizarre characters.

Lastly, where's Shannon Moore? Same question about ECW. If that's the case, PLEASE DON'T HAVE HIM DON THE SPIKED MOHAWK AGAIN!

At 6/8/09 11:49 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: As for Umaga, wtf? That one is just bizarre as I've heard he was a favorite with management. Seems like there's got to be more to that story (for the record, I know as much as you do at present, probably tomorrow I'll find out what happened).

Huh......then it does become somewhat of a mystery. Those who are generally liked backstage get pushed; so why the fuck was he let go? What must he have done to warrant it? Guess he'll speak as Jamal again about it later & clear this all up.

As to Vickie, heard that was a worked-shoot. Vickie is indeed leaving to spend more time with her daughters and gave notice sometime ago, guess that's why she's been so ineffective and de-emphasized since coming over to RAW. Could be an opportunity for Chavo here if the decide to make him the "wrestler GM" in the vein of Regal or Angle before him. How did the Edge thing go over? I didn't watch the show but I'm curious, was the crowd really behind what Edge was saying, or did this turn Vickie into a sympathetic face on her way out the door? I'm still not sure, but it seems like they are really looking to work an Edge face turn here.

Really? So it WASN'T because her character had ran her course?

Chavo would benefit SOOOOOO much from that angle; he's become a fricking schlob over the past few years.

With Edge, it's more tweener than anything else; he made that pretty clear. And no, NOBODY was sympathetic with Vickie on her way out - the usual 'NA-NA-NA-NA' chants occurred with good volume.

At 6/9/09 12:09 AM, Assi9 wrote: Oh, I forgot 3 things: Firstly, I noticed Jamie Noble's back (or has he been on ECW this whole time?); how ironic he got screwed over by none other than Hornswaggle. :P

Nah, Noble hasn't been on TV for a little bit.

Second, where is Jessie (as in Festus)? Is he on ECW, too? It still seems a bit odd, though, when the whole purpose of his gimmick was to hang onto Festus - which just doesn't seem right being done by even MORE bizarre characters.

He is still on SD!, but only has been shown as background in backstage segments. Makes you worried about the guy's chances, famous father who partnered with the booker or no.

Lastly, where's Shannon Moore? Same question about ECW. If that's the case, PLEASE DON'T HAVE HIM DON THE SPIKED MOHAWK AGAIN!

I believe he was quietly let go a while back.

Huh......then it does become somewhat of a mystery. Those who are generally liked backstage get pushed; so why the fuck was he let go? What must he have done to warrant it? Guess he'll speak as Jamal again about it later & clear this all up.

I dunno, like I say, this is either a case where he did something fucked up, asked to be released, or they didn't have an idea for him. Considering though he hasn't been jobbing to Punk the entire feud, then it would seem to this observer the old "creative has nothing for you" line is not applying here. We'll find out I'm sure.

Really? So it WASN'T because her character had ran her course?

Nope, unless maybe that was a reason she personally felt was valid for giving notice and taking herself off. She's a single mom raising three kids (one not her own, so major props to her for being that kind of a stand up lady), so I imagine she's just gotten all the money she needs for awhile out of this gig and it's time to focus again on what's important.

Chavo would benefit SOOOOOO much from that angle; he's become a fricking schlob over the past few years.

Yeah, so I think it'd be good to emphasize him a bit more, and give them kind of a "fresh face" in the mix.

With Edge, it's more tweener than anything else; he made that pretty clear. And no, NOBODY was sympathetic with Vickie on her way out - the usual 'NA-NA-NA-NA' chants occurred with good volume.

Ok, so then yeah, could be he's being positioned as a tweener now, or they're slowly building to a full blown face turn, which considering the issue with Jericho, has seemed fairly telegraphed for awhile now.

At 6/8/09 08:50 PM, Assi9 wrote: SEE!? DIDN'T I FUCKING CALL THIS!? THE MOMENT UMAGA WAS ALLOWED TO SPEAK, HE WAS FLUSHED DOWN THE FUCKING TOILET.

i'm with you, i thought so aswell... he could of at least put on a sort of butchered samoan/english accent.. i think that would of went well with the character

or if all else fails.. go Kaientai on him!