At 5/30/09 03:36 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: He looks like he wanted to punch someone after that one. I'm sure we'll hear plenty more in the coming weeks about Kennedy and reasons why he was let go. No sense in bashing him now since there may be reasons we aren't aware of yet.

If you had a PWInsider Elite account you'd know (seriously guys, it's so worth the money, that's why I shill for it all the time).

Now I'm going to try and explain some things as much as I can without violating my PWI agreement.

Here goes:

Somebody in this topic already guessed the reason why Kennedy was released, it's not the whole reason obviously, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back. This is a guy Vince Mcmahon saw as a HUGE main event player. He got MITB at Mania 23, he was set to headline and win at Mania 24 against the guy who was going to be champion then, but he got hurt. Probably interesting to remember that if Taker hadn't been hurt with his bicep shortly after Mania he would have had what was being described as basically a year long title reign...hmmm....year long reign, Kennedy to win at Mania 24? Hmmm.....

Also let's talk about something that is common knowledge after you're done with that puzzler I've put up there. He was at one point supposed to be Mr. McMahons son, he was going to be right up there in the McMahon family, and then he got hurt, he got busted for wellness, and it all went poof. This guy has been given not one, but TWO dream opportunities to become a player. You have young talented guys that are over (like CM Punk) that would love that kind of gift handed to them. You have guys that didn't get anything near a fair shake who would love that kind of gift handed to them (Scotty Goldman). This guy had it, and because he just kept getting hurt, and making dumb decisions and statements, and it's all pissed away. This guy had the office salivating to get him over, seemingly more so then Randy Orton who's been the poster boy for a non-McMahon connected performer or heel in the last decade that the office was willing to go insane to get over.

Kennedy had opportunities placed in front of him that no one will ever have again. One of them I guarantee there will never even be a CONVERSATION of giving a guy that sort of rub again, the moment passed. No one will ever be given that kind of a rocket again I'm quite sure, and this guy had two shots at the push of a lifetime and blew them both. That makes him the very definition of a guy who did the least with the most.

At 5/30/09 03:20 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also in other news there have been talks of making an Undertaker/Dolph Ziggler feud
while i do think Ziggler is a main eventer in the making, i think it's just too soon to be having him feud with one of the biggest stars in the WWE, maybe give him a lengthy IC title run for a while before feuding with one of the big players..

That actually doesn't surprise me. He's already feuding with Khali, so he's obviously building himself up to major douchebag status; what better way than to piss off the Deadman?

At 5/30/09 11:09 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Kennedy being released suprised me. Sure we all thought a guy who got hurt so often should be let go but I didn't think WWE would actually do it. I don't think it wil be too long before he shows up in TNA.

The man would be quite an asset to TNA; anybody with that kind of charisma TNA would be stupid not to eat up. Hell, I was behind him even when he was a heel - and you know I'm the polar opposite to Redangle when it comes to heels; that just goes to show you how far his mic skills have carried him alone.

Just hope to hell he keeps his shtick.

Kennedy.

SD was pretty good last night. I really enjoyed the main event. When Jericho attacked Rey from the crowd that caught me off guard. He blended right in! Great stuff.

I admit, that shocked me, too. If he keeps this up, he'll surpass JBL as the biggest douchebag on the wrestling planet.

I also liked the match between Umaga and Morrison. They did a really good job in making each other look good.

Seriously, MORRISON NEEDS A FUCKING MAJOR BELT. He's proved himself I don't know how many times, and HE NEEDS A FUCKING MAJOR BELT, DAMMIT!!!!

At 5/30/09 12:01 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Orton?

At least that's my guess. Mostly due to this.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/856/k enndybacksuplexorton.gif

A horrible Back Suplex which almost dropped Orton right on the top of his head. Hell, you can tell by Orton's reaction that he was pissed.

So that explains the odd reaction; I was wondering about that.

So what? People botch moves all the fucking time; why is this any different? This is bias, and I HATE IT.

At 5/31/09 12:35 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: If you had a PWInsider Elite account you'd know (seriously guys, it's so worth the money, that's why I shill for it all the time).

All in due time, for me.

Now I'm going to try and explain some things as much as I can without violating my PWI agreement.

Here goes:

Somebody in this topic already guessed the reason why Kennedy was released, it's not the whole reason obviously, but it's the straw that broke the camel's back. This is a guy Vince Mcmahon saw as a HUGE main event player. He got MITB at Mania 23, he was set to headline and win at Mania 24 against the guy who was going to be champion then, but he got hurt. Probably interesting to remember that if Taker hadn't been hurt with his bicep shortly after Mania he would have had what was being described as basically a year long title reign...hmmm....year long reign, Kennedy to win at Mania 24? Hmmm.....

YOU MEAN KENNEDY COULD'VE BROKEN THE STREAK!? FUCK!

Also let's talk about something that is common knowledge after you're done with that puzzler I've put up there. He was at one point supposed to be Mr. McMahons son, he was going to be right up there in the McMahon family, and then he got hurt, he got busted for wellness, and it all went poof. This guy has been given not one, but TWO dream opportunities to become a player. You have young talented guys that are over (like CM Punk) that would love that kind of gift handed to them. You have guys that didn't get anything near a fair shake who would love that kind of gift handed to them (Scotty Goldman). This guy had it, and because he just kept getting hurt, and making dumb decisions and statements, and it's all pissed away. This guy had the office salivating to get him over, seemingly more so then Randy Orton who's been the poster boy for a non-McMahon connected performer or heel in the last decade that the office was willing to go insane to get over.

Kennedy had opportunities placed in front of him that no one will ever have again. One of them I guarantee there will never even be a CONVERSATION of giving a guy that sort of rub again, the moment passed. No one will ever be given that kind of a rocket again I'm quite sure, and this guy had two shots at the push of a lifetime and blew them both. That makes him the very definition of a guy who did the least with the most.

And yet, how many mistakes has Jeff Hardy made? Again, this whole thing is pissing me off.

KENNEDY!!!!

Now that you put it all in perspective it makes sense. It just goes to show that you still need the basic skills of performing without getting seriously hurt for extended periods of time as well as know what to say more than the boss liking you. Add in the wellness bust and thats all she wrote. Shame really. He could have been a big player. He still might have a shot in TNA though.

Who thought that Ric Flair manhandling Randy Orton was filled with awesomeness? It actually took the Priceless Bitches to stop Flair; if they weren't around, Orton would've become dead meat at the hands of a 50-60 (what age is he actually, again?) -year-old man. :P

The Kingston vs MVP match was almost as awesome, having two of this generation's best (and possibly this gen's #1 in Kingston) put on an excellent match worthy of a PPV event. Liked the show of respect at the end.

The U.S. Title bout was by far the best match of the night. Kofi and MVP did an excellent job with their match and pulled off some awesome spots. This could have been a match for PPV had they been given a bit more time. Or if WWE kept stupid crap like a pig-pin match off PPV... I was actually suprised that Kofi beat MVP. I wonder if the WWE will start MVP in a fued for the WWE title or move him up to compete in the main event?

I have to admit..Seeing Regal get nailed in the face with that slop was pretty funny. Of course the moment was ruined when I heard Viki's evil laugh. It just makes me glad she's off SD.

I really hate Orton, but I'd really rather he get buried by someone who doesn't need to put his teeth in to do a promo.
Not that having a young star go over Orton would do much for the star, since Orton's booked as a pathetic bitch.

At 6/2/09 03:58 PM, Twilight wrote: They should really consider doing a villain vs. villain story line. You talking about someone who needs a boost? I forget his name, he was ECW Champion and faced Cena at Champions vs Champions. He seems in really good shape and could be our next Mr. Kennedy.

I hope not. Jack Swagger is too good to get injured all the time and go to TNA.

At 6/2/09 09:24 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote:

At 6/2/09 01:46 AM, Assi9 wrote: Who thought that Ric Flair manhandling Randy Orton was filled with awesomeness? It actually took the Priceless Bitches to stop Flair; if they weren't around, Orton would've become dead meat at the hands

disagreement rant

This was basically a street fight; if it were a regular match where he couldn't get away with all that carnage, it'd be far different. Ric Flair is as comfortable in that type of environment as Jeff Hardy in a Ladder Match or Taker in Hell in a Cell or Edge in TLC. he could do whatever the fuck he wanted, and he did. Orton was at a disadvantage, against a 60-year-old retiree or not. It's all in the match.

At 6/2/09 10:57 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: The U.S. Title bout was by far the best match of the night. Kofi and MVP did an excellent job with their match and pulled off some awesome spots. This could have been a match for PPV had they been given a bit more time.

We're in agreement, then. :P

Or if WWE kept stupid crap like a pig-pin match off PPV...

Yeah, but come on - you can't say you don't want to see Bitchy get covered in pig slop, can you?

I was actually suprised that Kofi beat MVP. I wonder if the WWE will start MVP in a fued for the WWE title or move him up to compete in the main event?

I hope that's the case, as I can foresee quite a good title run for him. Jamaica must be proud right now.

I have to admit..Seeing Regal get nailed in the face with that slop was pretty funny.

Poor Regal's back to 'laughing stock' status, sadly....

At 6/2/09 09:24 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Disagreed entirely. It was anything but awesomeness. For one thing, it was called a 'Fight to the Finish' to avoid Flair 'dishonouring his retirement'. Flair used Irish Whips, submissions and took bumps in this 'fight'. Yep, he really wasn't wrestling. It's just sad.

It is, Flair needs to just get into the ring for WWE and they need to get him working and make as much off of him as he can before the fans lose interest completely. It's a shame Flair never saved his money so his story book retirement won't stick and he's going to be prostituting his name here and ultimately overseas with Hogan, but WWE might as well make what they can off that now and try to get some benefit.

Secondly, Orton being made to look incredibly weak at the expense of Flair, a 60 year old man not even on WWE's active roster working full time who should be RETIRED, does absolutely nothing to make Orton or the WWE Championship look strong at all. And then when you add Rhodes and DiBiase saving the champ into the equation, it just makes Orton look even worse. Plus Rhodes and DiBiase get the shit knocked out of them on an almost weekly basis by Batista or whoever Orton's feuding with at any point, so for them to save Orton from a SENIOR CITIZEN just makes Orton look horrendously weak. In kayfabe, if Orton struggled to survive a fight with Ric Flair without help, what does it say about his chances against Batista on Sunday?

I agree, yes Orton is the heel, yes I'm not personally a big Randy Orton fan, but they believe in him. The office thinks Randy Orton is going to be a savior in that company and he's the WWE champion so again, yes, why is a 60 year old man who hasn't worked a match in a year and 3 months whipping his ass? What does that do for Orton or the belt? Orton should really have been able to control much of this fight I feel, with Flair doing dirty tricks when ever he needed to get the momentum back, like ball shots, eye pokes, or what have you. Maybe Flair could have picked up some objects along the way. They really need to remember Flair is an older guy and really shouldn't be able to hang with their young champion. But this is the insanity of WWE RAW these days and why I've basically given up on that brand.

Nothing was achieved with the Flair segments on Raw other than Orton being made to look even weaker than he had even been previously booked, which takes some doing in itself. And then Vince wonders why Raw isn't achieving ratings as high as they used to be? Logical booking would be a good start Vince. That's why Smackdown is a consistantly good show every week; it has feuds and angles that MAKE SENSE. Even ECW puts ona good solid hour of logical television a hefty majority of the time. If only Raw followed Smackdown's example, then perhaps we'd see some improvement in the state of the ratings.

But that'll sadly never happen, and what's worse is that I do believe when RAW is garbage, the apathy trickles over to the other brands, and that's just not something WWE wants, especially when you consider Smackdown! is on a network that may not exist in a year or so. I'm fine with the idea of Flair being built as the babyface that wants respect and didn't want to retire and all that, but don't suspend logic to do it, and don't continue to sacrifice three guys you fully expect to need to carry your company in a few years to do it.

On the plus side, good match between MVP/Kofi for the US title. Just a shame it was one good thing amongst two hours of poor booking and weak angles.

Yep, and even worse that belt matters so little, as does those two guys or any sort of program they'll have. It just goes back to the fact that RAW does an absolute shit job of getting the young talents anywhere near elevated or ready to play at the big level.

You just have to look at aci9's reaction to see why the WWE books the way it does.
The children love to see a 70 year old flair beat on the bad guy.
The children love to see santina and vickie wrestle in a mud pit.
Logic need not apply.

The WWE isn't booking for internet smarks who spend zero on merchandising.

At 6/2/09 10:04 PM, Shaun wrote: You just have to look at aci9's reaction to see why the WWE books the way it does.
The children love to see a 70 year old flair beat on the bad guy.
The children love to see santina and vickie wrestle in a mud pit.
Logic need not apply.

The WWE isn't booking for internet smarks who spend zero on merchandising.

They went PG for a reason. And that reason is that kids are annoying enough to convince their parents to buy the latest Jeff Hardy action figure. And they also like Cena. And they're also marks, so it makes creative's booking easier.

Luckily, the wrestlers themselves still put themselves out in order to provide the actual wrestling fans with good wrestling. Except Randy Orton, he's just a talentless, boring bastard.

It's like they forgot the title existed. Revenge storylines are all well and good, but not when they overshadow the freakin' championship...or worse, only mention that it's on the line in passing.

Speaking of which, anyone know when Trips is coming back?

At 6/2/09 10:04 PM, Shaun wrote: You just have to look at aci9's reaction to see why the WWE books the way it does.
The children love to see a 70 year old flair beat on the bad guy.
The children love to see santina and vickie wrestle in a mud pit.
Logic need not apply.

The WWE isn't booking for internet smarks who spend zero on merchandising.

I'm 22, thank you, and I still enjoyed Orton getting mauled by Flair. Again, this was a street fight; if it had been a normal match, Flair would have lost. I WAS expecting him to lose, but it's not that far-fetched when you consider that he's at home when rules aren't a problem - which is why you hear senior citizens fighting off younger people all the time. :P

My comments on the Hogpen Match are more towards loathing Vickie than anything else; the concept itself is stupid, but any shot at making her a laughing stock still makes me happy.

hey guys heres something interesting

according to sources, WWE said that if it weren't for his movie, Behind Enemy Lines, Mr. Kennedy would of been released ages ago.
Also they don't care if he jumps to TNA because he'll become "TNA's problem", Vince also went around asking other big wrestlers about releasing Kennedy and most of them told him to do so.. apparently he wasn't very popular backstage and was known to be a bit of a whiner..

Well at least one person was sad to see Kennedy go. Here is a post from Matt Hardy on myspace:

For the record, Ken Kennedy is one of my closest friends in the wrestling business. I really hated to hear the news of him leaving the WWE a couple of days ago. I wanted to help him out by letting all of my MySpace peeps know where that can keep up to speed with Ken and his career.

Ken's Twitter page..
http://www.twitter.com/secondpower

Ken's Facebook..
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1 800760136&ref=profile

And Ken's Official website
http://www.ken-kennedy.com

Watch the video on his website where he addresses his "injured" wrist situation perfectly.. without even saying a word!

Thanks guy and gals!
Matt

I figured we needed at least on different perspective here.

I'll give Matt his due, what he's saying is politically stupid, but I respect that he's sticking up for his friend.

I've also heard Kennedy is telling people he might go to culinary school as he discovered a real love of cooking while he was out hurt. Sounds like somebody is planning for a potential career outside of wrestling eh?

At 6/3/09 06:10 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I'll give Matt his due, what he's saying is politically stupid, but I respect that he's sticking up for his friend.

I doubt he'll get any flack for it. I think he said just enough to get his point across without stepping on any toes. Speaking of Matt I just now realized that there is a fatal four way for the U.S. Title. I guess I missed them announcing it.

I also realized that all the singles titles are being defended at the PPV. Shame they can't fit the tag titles on there. Save for the hog pin match, the card isn't that bad.

At 6/3/09 10:55 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I doubt he'll get any flack for it. I think he said just enough to get his point across without stepping on any toes. Speaking of Matt I just now realized that there is a fatal four way for the U.S. Title. I guess I missed them announcing it.

I can see what you're saying, he was smart enough not to piss on anybody or anything really. But Kennedy was not a beloved guy in the back, and Matt is getting pushed, and with the shark tank that locker room can be, I think he's taking a slight risk in publicly disagreeing with the company's decision.

I also realized that all the singles titles are being defended at the PPV. Shame they can't fit the tag titles on there. Save for the hog pin match, the card isn't that bad.

No, but what it does do is it really makes one say "yeah but what about Night of Champions?" isn't Night of Champions supposed to be the all title match kind of card? This is a real problem for WWE. If you're going to have a PPV who's gimmick is every match a title match, then you shouldn't book a PPV that is mostly title bouts before or after it, and especially not a month before it.

At 6/3/09 12:13 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Well at least one person was sad to see Kennedy go. Here is a post from Matt Hardy on myspace:

For the record, Ken Kennedy is one of my closest friends in the wrestling business. I really hated to hear the news of him leaving the WWE a couple of days ago. I wanted to help him out by letting all of my MySpace peeps know where that can keep up to speed with Ken and his career.

Ken's Twitter page..
http://www.twitter.com/secondpower

Ken's Facebook..
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1 800760136&ref=profile

And Ken's Official website
http://www.ken-kennedy.com

Watch the video on his website where he addresses his "injured" wrist situation perfectly.. without even saying a word!

Thanks guy and gals!
Matt

I figured we needed at least on different perspective here.

I've got to give Matt credit for having the balls to do that. I'd probably do the same exact thing if I was in the business, push or no push.

At 6/3/09 06:10 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I've also heard Kennedy is telling people he might go to culinary school as he discovered a real love of cooking while he was out hurt. Sounds like somebody is planning for a potential career outside of wrestling eh?

That's something I would've never expected. o_O *imagines him in a chef's hat.......*

Orton loses it

for some reason, seems like this was staged... either that or orton's just really natural during promos..

At 6/4/09 02:29 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: No, but what it does do is it really makes one say "yeah but what about Night of Champions?" isn't Night of Champions supposed to be the all title match kind of card? This is a real problem for WWE. If you're going to have a PPV who's gimmick is every match a title match, then you shouldn't book a PPV that is mostly title bouts before or after it, and especially not a month before it.

The way I see it just because five of the eight titles are being defended isn't a bad thing. PPV's are meant for the big matches, aka the title matches. The gimmick of NoC is that ALL the titles are defended. Not to mention between Extreme Rules and NoC you've got The Bash which will probably feature less championship matches, in preperation for "Vengeance 2.0".

At 6/4/09 04:24 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: Orton loses it

"I will headbutt your teeth out of your skull!"

lol classic. I was really amused by this. Thanks for posting it. How recent was that interview?

At 6/4/09 04:24 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: Orton loses it

for some reason, seems like this was staged... either that or orton's just really natural during promos..

Or maybe it's just that the interviewer is a douchebag who decided it was a good idea to say something stupid to a man who could eat HIM for breakfast.

At 6/4/09 10:19 AM, Outlaw88 wrote:

At 6/4/09 04:24 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: Orton loses it

"I will headbutt your teeth out of your skull!"

lol classic. I was really amused by this. Thanks for posting it. How recent was that interview?

it was just last week

At 6/4/09 04:07 PM, Assi9 wrote: Or maybe it's just that the interviewer is a douchebag who decided it was a good idea to say something stupid to a man who could eat HIM for breakfast.

nah i read today that it was all a work.. i thought so.. randy seemed to be in "heel wrestler mode" during that, the only thing that was convincing me that it was real is that he used the word, shit lol

also i read that Chris Masters is making a return to WWE, that's good i always liked him.

i just hoped he learnt his lesson and has stopped pumping roids lol

At 6/5/09 05:29 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also i read that Chris Masters is making a return to WWE, that's good i always liked him.

Ugh..really? He wasn't very good in the ring and since he kept violating the welness policy he kept squashing what momentum he got. I did like his enterance though...

i just hoped he learnt his lesson and has stopped pumping roids lol

We'll see about that.

At 6/5/09 08:05 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Ugh..really? He wasn't very good in the ring and since he kept violating the welness policy he kept squashing what momentum he got. I did like his enterance though...

Didn't like him much either back in the day but apparently he's learnt a lot working in Japan. Will be interesting to see where they put him though, I think he'd do really well on ECW and get something of a decent push on Smackdown. Obviously if he's headed straight to Raw I doubt he'll get very far at all. Because of his past history will wellness I'd assume he'd be put on the C show to start with but I've got a strong gut feeling he'll be a Smackdown guy when he debuts which in my opinion, is the best place for him.

I was a Chris Masters fan, good to see him coming back especially with "breaking point" a submission based PPV this year.
He was a pretty solid heel and I would expect him to turn up on RAW to compete for the US title in the role that Regal has been performing.

At 6/4/09 08:56 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: The way I see it just because five of the eight titles are being defended isn't a bad thing. PPV's are meant for the big matches, aka the title matches. The gimmick of NoC is that ALL the titles are defended. Not to mention between Extreme Rules and NoC you've got The Bash which will probably feature less championship matches, in preperation for "Vengeance 2.0".

Actually no, the gimmick is that ALL matches are title matches. Just like Extreme Rules is "every match has an 'extreme' stip" I recall at least one set of tag belts not being defended on the show last year, which would negate the idea that it's all belts on the line.

Orton was working, Mexican TV has a lot more of that in their "news" programs then here in the states.

As far as Masters...unless he's dramatically improved, put him on RAW or ECW. I already have to suffer Khali on SD! I don't want any more shite workers on that brand potentially taking tv time away from more deserving acts and talents.

At 6/5/09 06:47 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I recall at least one set of tag belts not being defended on the show last year, which would negate the idea that it's all belts on the line.

Actually, both sets of tag titles were defended. JoMo and The Miz were in one match and Hardcore Holly and Priceless were in the other. In the first night of champions, all nine titles were on the line, and last year all eight were on the line (cruiserweight was disbanded by this point I think). This year will likely feature all championships like the two previous.