At 2/25/09 11:45 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Did anyone catch ECW last night? If you didn't, you missed one hell of a match between Swagger and Christian, in what is easily the best match we've gotten on tv in 2009.

Indeed it was. Both performers really went all out and gave us a solid match. I'm sure there will be a rematch sometime down the road. Hopefully they will get some time on PPV to have a match. I can see Christian getting the belt eventually but Swagger winning last night give him more credibility.

It was good to see Dreamer finally get a win. Bout damn time. Other than that the show wasn't as good as it is usually but the main event more than made up for it.

At 2/25/09 12:01 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 2/24/09 08:59 PM, idiot-buster wrote: As for the jericho angle, maby facing a legened at wrestlemania or facing Mickey Rourke. That is one of the matches that are being keeped in the dark.

Last I checked they're saying Rourke will be there as a guest of WWE, which probably means interference, but not working. Hogan is heavily lobbying to be on the show and in that match, but I don't know if that'll happen (especially because Hogan will demand to win, and win clean most likely). Honestly I'm not sure who Jericho will face at this point.

Your right from what i've just read there going to build Rourke up as a credible former boxer so the crowd would pop and the punch to Jericho would have an effect. This is olny what is thought that might happen, Vince has gottenmad that so much leaks on to the internet that only he and maby 1 other person knows whats going to happen. Usually the whole creative team and various other staff knows everthing that will happen

At 2/25/09 06:00 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: the guy won last year, he actually did win the title but it didnt go over so they didnt even put him in the scramble match for his title.. if they make him win again it'll just be another lame unsuccessful title run.

Actually it looked like it was starting to and ratings were up, but they booked him really ineffectively for his whole run and then just forgot about him come the scramble. If you book a guy to fail, he's gonna fail.

bottom line, the guy is just overrated.. all he does is kicks and the GTS. man tajiri did kicks all the time but at least that guy had talent. also before coming to wwe, i heard that he had the best mic skills, but it was definately hype, sure he's not boring on the mic, but he's nowhere near the leagues of the rock, jericho, piper, hell even santino marella..

He's not The Rock, most people aren't. But how often do they give him a chance to talk and really make a statement? In ROH he was given as much rope as he needed to either hang himself or make himself a star, and he made himself a star. WWE never has really given him a chance to break out, if the bookers won't push you, you can't really get over effectively now can you? It's pretty impressive he's done as well as he has.

also from some sources i've heard the guys just an arrogant asshole, whose cocky towards road agents backstage

I haven't heard cocky, what it is is if you go up to Punk and ask him how was my match? If he thought it sucked, he tells you it sucks. He's just a very honest and blunt person and doesn't suffer fools, in the WWE atmosphere where everybody seems to need their asses constantly kissed and it's all about who you suck up to, that's not the kind of situation where a guy like Punk will most likely excel. But as I keep saying, I don't think a guy has to be popular in the back to be pushed or make money. Back when he was champ Michaels was the most hated man in the back but Vince pushed him to the moon and tried to make him the top face of the company. So backstage feeling is a joke unless the boss believes it matters.

and THATS why i don't think punk deserves another chance

Paul Heyman recently posted an article on what he thinks about the current heels in WWE. You can check it out here.

There is a good chance I'll miss Sd tomorrow, but I'll read about it later. I'm sure Cena will make good on his promise to stalk Edge until he gets his title shot.

We'll probably also see more people qualify for the MITB.

At 2/26/09 12:30 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Actually it looked like it was starting to and ratings were up, but they booked him really ineffectively for his whole run and then just forgot about him come the scramble. If you book a guy to fail, he's gonna fail.

i dunno, i just think it wasn't his time yet, and i think wwe had the same feelings thats why i think they've taken him back down to the IC title scene.

He's not The Rock, most people aren't. But how often do they give him a chance to talk and really make a statement? In ROH he was given as much rope as he needed to either hang himself or make himself a star, and he made himself a star. WWE never has really given him a chance to break out, if the bookers won't push you, you can't really get over effectively now can you? It's pretty impressive he's done as well as he has.

he's been in the company for almost 3 years now, i've seen him in plenty of segments, as a matter of fact everytime i used to turn on ECW he used to be on there talking. like i said, he's not boring, he does have the basic mic skills.. it was just not what i expected

I haven't heard cocky, what it is is if you go up to Punk and ask him how was my match? If he thought it sucked, he tells you it sucks. He's just a very honest and blunt person and doesn't suffer fools, in the WWE atmosphere where everybody seems to need their asses constantly kissed and it's all about who you suck up to, that's not the kind of situation where a guy like Punk will most likely excel.

many sources said that he was instantly in the doghouse backstage because of his cocky behaviour just coming red hot off of ROH. he was also rubbing road agents the wrong way with his sarcastic attitude. also i got into a conversation with a guy on youtube, who had a video of him in photos with various wrestlers, he said that everyone was nice, except for CM Punk who refused to take pictures or sign autographs for any of the fans the whole night. I dunno if you even don't respect the fans then thats not really saying that he's deserving.

But as I keep saying, I don't think a guy has to be popular in the back to be pushed or make money. Back when he was champ Michaels was the most hated man in the back but Vince pushed him to the moon and tried to make him the top face of the company. So backstage feeling is a joke unless the boss believes it matters.

you've got a bit of a point, but do you remember shawn back then? he was amazing, he would throw punches, kicks, submission moves, fly off the top rope, take risks and he was amazing on the mic, also it seems like he's learnt his lesson about his past, becoming a born again christian...

i dunno man, you got ur opinions, i got mine.. we can't all have the same interests

I just read the SD results. it's good that they held off on the Hardy match. That will be good on PPV. I'm also shocked Chavo got a win. He's lost so many times that I didn't think he'd ever win again. I think his losing streak was almost as long as MVP's was. I can't remember the last win he had besides tonights.

Looking at who won tonight I'm actually satisfied with the results. It sets up some o the fueds nicely. Edge evades Cena while letting Big Show show some power and threat, Carlito and Primo keep their titles, and Taker's fued with Kozlov will probably take him to WM. I didn't actually see the show so I don't know the quality of these matches and events first hand.

The Draft show on Raw is going to be here where I live. I'm going to try and convince some friends to go with me.

At 2/27/09 02:03 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: i dunno, i just think it wasn't his time yet, and i think wwe had the same feelings thats why i think they've taken him back down to the IC title scene.

I'm fine with the idea that "look, I don't believe the guy was ready". That's a perfectly fine and logical opinion to hold, I tend to hold pretty much the same opinion because they really haven't developed that character to that point yet. BUT, they GAVE him MITB. They PUT the WHC on him. They booked him ineffectively, and then not only did he get bumped down the card, but he never got to work a program with Orton. It's the same kind of thing they've done to Kofi Kingston really. The guy got attacked by somebody higher up the card (Edge) lost something which is of extreme value (the spot in the Chamber) which then lead to his attacker prospering greatly (Edge wins the match and the World title) Kofi has done NOTHING to get retribution, which tells people "don't take Kofi seriously, because he's not on the level of Edge". You believe that to be true? Then you don't book those guys to cross paths. You can't keep beating guys down and showing the audience "they aren't worthy" and expect that impression not to stick. That's my basic issue with what happened to Punk, they put him at a certain level, they showed no faith or desire to keep him there, and then dropped him back down. He was nothing more then a proxy to get that belt to RAW and that sucks, he deserves way better then that.

he's been in the company for almost 3 years now, i've seen him in plenty of segments, as a matter of fact everytime i used to turn on ECW he used to be on there talking. like i said, he's not boring, he does have the basic mic skills.. it was just not what i expected

Is he really being given an extended chance to talk though? He doesn't get the time that a lot of other guys do, even in ECW when he was main eventing. RVD got lots of TV Time too, but it's not just about putting a guy on tv, it's about making what he does memorable. How much chance has Punk really been given to do anything memorable? Really and truly do something memorable?

many sources said that he was instantly in the doghouse backstage because of his cocky behaviour just coming red hot off of ROH. he was also rubbing road agents the wrong way with his sarcastic attitude.

Cite some please, because I can cite a source (www.pwinsider.com) who have legitimate contacts within the WWE who have said numerous times that there is a shitload of POLITICS going on in that company and that guys can get heat for something as simple as not saying hello to every single person at a show. Guys get threatened when new talents come in, especially new talents that might be able to outwork them or take their spots, so they try to bury them. WWE also is very down on anybody who was a star on the indies feeling the guy somehow has to be broken down and molded into the WWE way, even when they've done nothing to display a bad attitude (which is what WWE will say is the reason they do what they do).

also i got into a conversation with a guy on youtube, who had a video of him in photos with various wrestlers, he said that everyone was nice, except for CM Punk who refused to take pictures or sign autographs for any of the fans the whole night. I dunno if you even don't respect the fans then thats not really saying that he's deserving.

So, the word of some guy is now gospel? Really? I would ask if this guy approached Punk in a proper situation (I.E. at an autograph signing) or if he approached him in an improper situation (such as in a restaurant where he's eating). It could also be a bad day, or a personal choice on his part. Undertaker will not sign autographs for anyone except young kids, does that mean he disrespects his fan base? To me it just seems like a personal choice unless his demeanor is, or he outright says "I'm too good to sign for you". Randy Orton takes joy in not signing autographs and pissing on people, he has admitted to it in many interviews. I can also think of numerous articles I've seen where Punk has done things for charity, autograph signings, and other fan appreciation functions. So sorry, I like my sources for this kind of information vs. "some guy on youtube".

you've got a bit of a point, but do you remember shawn back then? he was amazing, he would throw punches, kicks, submission moves, fly off the top rope, take risks and he was amazing on the mic, also it seems like he's learnt his lesson about his past, becoming a born again christian...

Sure, but I think he's still got some of those bad habits from what I hear. But Punk is also a pretty good and amazing worker right now the fans are getting behind and he has had good to great matches with a number of talents of all levels in the company and can't get ahead. So again I say something that Mickey Rourke's character mentions to another indie guy he's working in The Wrestler "You got a lot of talent kid, but it's not about talent, it's about politics and if the man driving the cadillac likes you"

i dunno man, you got ur opinions, i got mine.. we can't all have the same interests

Yeah, and that's fine, I'm not saying you have to like what I like, or like who I like. My only point and problem here is if you don't like a guy, don't like him for good, sourcable reasons. If you don't like their work or their skills on the mic, fine. But because of some guy on youtube, because of information from faulty sources with their own agenda? Nah, that's not fair. That's not fair to the worker, and it's not fair to yourself I think. But yeah, public forum so I invite folks to question my thoughts anytime, just know I'm gonna question you right back if I think it's warranted.

I'm going to guess that HHH will be moved back to Raw to fued with Orton during the draft. If Cena takes the title from Edge I wonder if he would stay on SD. I hope Edge is able to hold onto the title this time, but having Cena on Sd might be a good idea so he can have some new people to fued with.

At 2/28/09 11:28 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I'm going to guess that HHH will be moved back to Raw to fued with Orton during the draft. If Cena takes the title from Edge I wonder if he would stay on SD. I hope Edge is able to hold onto the title this time, but having Cena on Sd might be a good idea so he can have some new people to fued with.

Cena moves TONS of merchandise, so I think he'll be kept on RAW, so the question then becomes who gets the title that goes back to RAW at Mania. I could see H being sent back based on a (you did us the favor of going to SD! when we needed you to, so now you can 'go home' to RAW". That to me is the really intriguing bit for Mania, and that to me again just makes it kind of sad but I do hope they ratchet up the build here in this last month and change.

At 2/28/09 11:28 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I'm going to guess that HHH will be moved back to Raw to fued with Orton during the draft. If Cena takes the title from Edge I wonder if he would stay on SD. I hope Edge is able to hold onto the title this time, but having Cena on Sd might be a good idea so he can have some new people to fued with.

I agree, he is getting a bit stale on Raw. He has had a fued with just about every one on Raw and his last one with JBL would not have been very interesting with out shawn michaels involved it also seems he has his best matches with HBK and it does not seem a fued with him will not happen anytime soon. A switch of Cena to smackdown and the game to raw will work out on both shows.

At 3/1/09 03:15 PM, idiot-buster wrote: I agree, he is getting a bit stale on Raw. He has had a fued with just about every one on Raw and his last one with JBL would not have been very interesting with out shawn michaels involved it also seems he has his best matches with HBK and it does not seem a fued with him will not happen anytime soon. A switch of Cena to smackdown and the game to raw will work out on both shows.

agreed, although if he does stay he'll be in a fued with edge for a while.. then possibly big show, which both have been done quite a few times..
the one fued i'd like to see though is Cena v Taker, they haven't done it since 2003 but it was pretty good, i got into it. Also Cena v Matt Hardy would be interesting.. even though matt's not quite at that level yet, they could use Cena into getting Matt's well deserved push and possibly even have a tiny title reign so he doesn't have to be under Jeff's career.

Those fueds sound like good ideas as a way to freshen things up. I coud also see Benjamin being moved to Raw after losing the U.S. Title to possibly compete in the IC Title hunt of get a better push. I think shuffling the talent around is a good idea and I am eager to see who goes where. I'm also trying to get some friends to go with me as the draf show will be where I live.

At 2/26/09 05:16 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Paul Heyman recently posted an article on what he thinks about the current heels in WWE. You can check it out here.

He has a very intriguing perspective here. I've seen much of Jericho and Orton because I can watch Raw yet Edge is missed out due to no access to MyNetworkTV. Off to YouTube to check out some of his promos.

Oh, and Paul Heyman was wrong about HHH's age. He turns 40 in July.

Raw was decent last night. I was suprised that Kane won the quaifying match for the MITB as I though Rey would have been a good choice. Maybe he and Knox will finish up their fued instead.

I'm also suprised they did the Edge/Cena match since I thought that would have been held off until WM. Now Big Show is the #1 contender. Where will this leave Cena for the show?

Jericho is on a roll. Damn he's doing one hell of a job. Maybe he and Lawler will have a match at WM to settle things with the legends. Lawler has never had a match at WM and he has wanted that for a long time so this may be the way to do it.

At 3/3/09 11:13 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Jericho is on a roll. Damn he's doing one hell of a job. Maybe he and Lawler will have a match at WM to settle things with the legends. Lawler has never had a match at WM and he has wanted that for a long time so this may be the way to do it.

And it looks like i was right about HBK vs. The undertaker at wrestlemania 25, well it looks to be a good match but as of now i am unclear of who will win. It's about a 50/50 split of who will walk out the winner.

At 3/3/09 11:13 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Raw was decent last night. I was suprised that Kane won the quaifying match for the MITB as I though Rey would have been a good choice. Maybe he and Knox will finish up their fued instead.

i was suprised too, rey seemed like "the underdog favourite" to win.. but yeh nice change

I'm also suprised they did the Edge/Cena match since I thought that would have been held off until WM. Now Big Show is the #1 contender. Where will this leave Cena for the show?

rumour has it that hulk hogan might appear at wm, if if he does then it seems he might be facing cena, if he doesn't appear, they'll probably just stick him in the title match making it a triple threat

Jericho is on a roll. Damn he's doing one hell of a job. Maybe he and Lawler will have a match at WM to settle things with the legends. Lawler has never had a match at WM and he has wanted that for a long time so this may be the way to do it.

i agree, it's a huge character change for jericho but he's pulled it off nice and clean. jericho v lawler wouldn't be bad.. i bet lawler can still go well in the ring hes not too old, and its true he's never been in a WM match, now would be one of his last chances before quitting the ring altogether.

also tonight i heard its gonna be santino vs mark henry in a mitb qualifying match... it really doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out whose going to win this one.. i hope they can really improve on this match because as much as a good wrestler kane is.. he's not exactly a regular with ladder matches.. and now mark henry?!... they might aswell throw in khali and kozlov too... (which after seeing kozlov lose against michaels on raw... i'm threating that it might happen..)

they need to put more people who are skilled in ladder matches ie. shelton benjamin, john morrison.. i hope they'll throw in people like bourne and kofi kingston too.. also christian who knows ladder matches more than anybody

well except edge and the hardyz

Kane will win ur Resselmaniaz.

At 3/3/09 05:57 PM, DocSprite wrote: Kane will win ur Resselmaniaz.

NO, i doubt he will win the MIB he is in for "wrestlemania 25" theres little chance he will ever become something of the mainevent level. Please post things that are actually of some value.

*sort of half spoilers*

With 6 men named for the money in the bank so far it sounds very unappealing.
No bourne, mysterio or kofi..

Michaels v Undertaker is sure to be a classic.
Jeff v Matt has a terrific build up but im not sure if they can wrestle at the same level as the hype.
The main events are shaping up to be pretty interesting. I hope it is edge v big show v cena and not a one on one match.

At 3/4/09 11:11 AM, Shaun wrote: With 6 men named for the money in the bank so far it sounds very unappealing.
No bourne, mysterio or kofi..

bourne will be in no doubt, he's set to return anytime now, i think it'll be next week to qualify for the mitb ladder

Mark Henry in MITB.... Damn! ECW was decent last night. Good to see Natalya wrestling and actually winning a match. The main event was great as Christian continues to deliver in the ring. This guy needs to switch brands pretty soon.

By the way, Umaga apparently suffered some sort of injury last night at the SD tapings.

And last but not least Raven, Sandman and New Jack need their own sitcom.

Some very sad news people. A star has been released, and WWE will never be the same.

Yes, The Boogeyman has been released

Please, try to fight back the tears... of joy >_>

Shit... the Boogeyman was always fun to watch, what with his various suprise appearances of Raw and Smackdown.

At 3/4/09 04:14 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Some very sad news people. A star has been released, and WWE will never be the same.

Yes, The Boogeyman has been released

Please, try to fight back the tears... of joy >_>

I'm actually a little suprised by this. They had been using Boogey every week since his return and he didn't lose very often. I guess WWE came to realize that he sucks in the ring and the character can only go so far. He did grab people attention though, I'll give him that. At least now they can use the time he was given on some of the upcoming talent.

At 3/4/09 12:36 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Also on the MitB subject, I'm rather peeved that the one guy I actually mark for lost his qualifier. He better win the Last Chance Battle Royal they normally do or I'll have a small rage.
Then again he's mucked his push up a bit with his 'recreational activities' apparently, but I won't stop hoping for a MitB with his inclusion.

The Brian Kendrick? if so i agree, he would of been an awesome inclusion to that match!

At 3/4/09 04:14 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Some very sad news people. A star has been released, and WWE will never be the same.

Yes, The Boogeyman has been released

Please, try to fight back the tears... of joy >_>

meh, really couldn't care less.. i lost faith in the character ages back.. the gimmick got really strung out and stale, i bet even wwe could see this when they put him in a segment with Donald Trump at WM23
for those of you who never saw, Trump was sitting in his office with Ms USA whatever when the lights dimmed and the Boogeyman came from behind and hits the old "im the boogeyman!" line, not even the slightest bit intimidated Trump tells the Boogeyman to go get a sandwich for him, The Boogeyman breaks out of character and simply replies "ok..." and walks off.

pretty much after that Boogeyman sunk down from the spotlight getting drafted to the "C show" ECW then disappearing for a long while

At 3/4/09 04:40 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I'm actually a little suprised by this. They had been using Boogey every week since his return and he didn't lose very often. I guess WWE came to realize that he sucks in the ring and the character can only go so far. He did grab people attention though, I'll give him that. At least now they can use the time he was given on some of the upcoming talent.

What purpose did he serve? He's often injured, lousy in the ring, and they have a comedy/mascot character in Hornswoggle. The big reason he was resigned anyway was a favor to Booker T, so he's lucky he hung on as long as he did without Book around.

I really don't want to see my favorite heel Jericho fighting someone like Lawler (no offense to him, but...well, come on) or even Hulk Hogan (despite him being one of my childhood heroes). It looks like it'll go that way, but pfft, I think he deserves a bit better than that when he finally gets the beatdown that he deserves.

Ah, well, being beaten by the Hulkster would be better than more parking lot shit. Marginally.

At 3/4/09 04:14 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Some very sad news people. A star has been released, and WWE will never be the same.

Yes, The Boogeyman has been released

Please, try to fight back the tears... of joy >_>

I like the boogeyman, I think that this is really lame.
It's been awesome with him actually getting a decent string of matches together.
I always use him in the smackdown video games.

I think they could release Hawkins and Ryder since they haven't been used in the longest time. I can't even remember when they were on tv last. Jessie and Festus aren't being used as much either so they might end up being let go as well.

BTW I wasn't defending the Boogeyman in my last post. I knew he didn't have a lot going for him but I was suprised by his release just the same.

At 3/5/09 10:37 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I think they could release Hawkins and Ryder since they haven't been used in the longest time. I can't even remember when they were on tv last. Jessie and Festus aren't being used as much either so they might end up being let go as well.

Hawkins and Ryder should absolutely hide out in catering now. Without being in the Edge storyline they've been screwed to just .com appearances. Jessie and Festus might be safe because Hayes will push for them since:

A) The team is his brainchild

B) Jesse is his old tag partner Terry Gordy's son

I know that doesn't guarantee anything (especially if Mania doesn't do well) but I think that would put them much farther down the list then a lot of people.

BTW I wasn't defending the Boogeyman in my last post. I knew he didn't have a lot going for him but I was suprised by his release just the same.

It was odd he was kind of getting pushed, then cut. It would have made more sense to get rid of him on his last injured stint, but who knows, maybe this is something where he did something really bad in the back (he is known for living his gimmick) and they just said "enough is enough".