At 2/20/09 02:29 PM, idiot-buster wrote: IF you want i could post the other matches "set in stone" for WM.

Nothing in WWE is set in stone. New things always have the chance of popping up, meaning matches are subject to change. Is one of these "set in stone" matches Matt Vs. Jeff? If so, what if Jeff gets wellness'd next week. The match wont happen and your argument will be flawed.

At 2/20/09 02:45 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote:

At 2/20/09 02:29 PM, idiot-buster wrote: IF you want i could post the other matches "set in stone" for WM.

Nothing in WWE is set in stone. New things always have the chance of popping up, meaning matches are subject to change. Is one of these "set in stone" matches Matt Vs. Jeff? If so, what if Jeff gets wellness'd next week. The match wont happen and your argument will be flawed.

Yes, I know because i got the matches that are set for tonights show and the first smackdown after wrestlemania so i can 95% accurately predict that it will happen at wrestlemania...

WWE has just released Scotty Goldman.

I have a feeling that he'll be returning to ROH since WWE just recently released him.

At 2/20/09 04:48 PM, LordKooler wrote: WWE has just released Scotty Goldman.

Stupid, dumb, idiotic, further proof that WWE doesn't know what to do with most of their talent.

They have room for Kizarny and Boogeyman, but they can't find ANYTHING for a guy who's actually good in the ring, and is actually legitimately funny.

At 2/20/09 04:48 PM, LordKooler wrote: WWE has just released Scotty Goldman.

I have a feeling that he'll be returning to ROH since WWE just recently released him.

Doesn't suprise me much. He was barely used and when he was they jobbed him out. Most of you guys seems to know who he is, but for me when I saw him tonight I was like "Is this a local jobber? I think I've seen him before." Then I remembered he was the one who said he was in a little box when he did a pop up video for WWE.

We briefly saw Kizarny too which may mean they will give him the boot too. WWE seems to be in the habit of showing a guy on Raw or SD then firing them.

Do you think they will make Miz and Morrison Undisputed champions? Man it's been a while since we saw something like that.

At 2/20/09 02:29 PM, idiot-buster wrote: IF you want i could post the other matches "set in stone" for WM.

If you want to prove the accuracy of your source, go for it. But I get the feeling that what you'll post for us is matches that we already know are confirmed. Like the two world title matches, or Hardy vs. Hardy. Which is obvious to EVERYBODY. So really you're best chance at present is to either tell us a match that isn't blatantly obvious, and or show us a link to this source saying months and months back something that came to pass for Mania long before anybody else even tricked to it. But I still think this is somebody who is either getting lucky, or is ripping off a better site like PWInsider, because WWE is paranoid as hell about leaks and anybody who speaks to the wrestling media is extremely careful about who they talk to.

At 2/20/09 10:47 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Do you think they will make Miz and Morrison Undisputed champions? Man it's been a while since we saw something like that.

no. u wouldn't wanna just bury the WWE tag champs so quickly into the fued

We are getting Hardy vs. Hardy next week. Do you think they will do it again for WM? I think they would have to make a stipulation match for them or something. It's speculation but it might end up being Edge vs. Cena and HHH vs. Orton for WM. Trouble with that last one is that they haven't mentioned the fact that Orton won the Rumble in a while so the fact that he will be in a title match has gone to the wayside in favor of the McMahons. That's not a good way to handle their title.

At 2/21/09 11:15 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: We are getting Hardy vs. Hardy next week. Do you think they will do it again for WM? I think they would have to make a stipulation match for them or something. It's speculation but it might end up being Edge vs. Cena and HHH vs. Orton for WM. Trouble with that last one is that they haven't mentioned the fact that Orton won the Rumble in a while so the fact that he will be in a title match has gone to the wayside in favor of the McMahons. That's not a good way to handle their title.

I am very sure of the fact that matt and jeff will compete at wrestlemania, because matt is not going after the ECW champion anymore and there is little chance that he will be in the money in the bank match because he is not a "up and comming star" anymore and is becoming more to the level jeff has reached. I Believe that someone will interfere with the match or it will be a double count out or something of the sort will happen maby leading into a ladder match or someing.

At 2/21/09 10:23 PM, idiot-buster wrote: I Believe that someone will interfere with the match or it will be a double count out or something of the sort will happen maby leading into a ladder match or someing.

Have to agree, the idea here is probably to pop a big rating, do a fucky finish that doesn't really give us a winner, and that allows them to force a stip match at Mania where the finish they use on SD! can't be used again.

As for Orton, honestly Outlaw, you're shocked? How long have you been a fan? Anytime you put the McMahons in the story they immediately become the most important aspect of the story. All else becomes secondary and not as useful, it's an absolute shame because the audience really doesn't care and I hope the crowd keeps popping for Orton and really screwing with their plans. At some point it has to get to where WWE can't ignore it.

who do you guys think will be in the mitb ladder match this year?
my thoughts

Mr. Kennedy
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
Evan Bourne
Rey Mysterio
Team Priceless
Christian

for Christian, i reckon they shouldn't give him the ECW title, instead make him win the MITB match, then build him up on ECW, then move him to another brand and maybe fued with Edge, if he's the world champion at the time

At 2/22/09 07:19 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: who do you guys think will be in the mitb ladder match this year?
my thoughts

Mr. Kennedy
MVP
Shelton Benjamin
Evan Bourne
Rey Mysterio
Team Priceless
Christian

oh and maybe throw in Kofi Kingston too

At 2/22/09 12:02 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: As for Orton, honestly Outlaw, you're shocked? How long have you been a fan? Anytime you put the McMahons in the story they immediately become the most important aspect of the story. All else becomes secondary and not as useful, it's an absolute shame because the audience really doesn't care and I hope the crowd keeps popping for Orton and really screwing with their plans. At some point it has to get to where WWE can't ignore it.

An I shocked? No. I've been a fan long enough to realize this fact. Am I disappointed? Yes. Its the same old thing they have resorted to in the past and it sucked then and it sucks now. Is it really wrong of me to hope for something to change for the better? You would think that they would realize that the fans don't care about the McMahons and the fact that a lot of hardcore fans (The ones that are left) hate Stephanie and were thrilled to see her get RKO'ed.

At 2/22/09 07:19 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: Mr. Kennedy

No, he doesn't deserve it, he's too injury prone and he's never shown his true potential. Time to take the rocket off this guy and give this slot to somebody else. I don't think he should be anywhere near this bout.

MVP

Fans are getting behind him, and he could use a really pushed performance situation to help wash that losing stink off him. He'd be a great choice to have in this bout. Especially if you use...

Shelton Benjamin

Great bumper, always a good "bridesmaid" in this one providing tons of action. Plus if you put MVP in they can wind up costing each other the win and then feud over the almost forgotten US title.

Evan Bourne

I think this would be a great idea, Bourne is a fresh face, he can be a real player on the ECW brand, and a ladder match should be right up his alley. He should be in this bout if he's healthy enough.

Rey Mysterio

Rey has gotten slower since his injuries, I'm not sure a ladder match would do much more now for him then just expose that slowness. Still, he could be added in since there isn't really anywhere else on the card thus far I see him fitting in.

Team Priceless

I like this idea on a lot of levels, it could really make Dibiase and Rhodes come off like players especially as a great follow up to their fantastic Rumble performances, and it could also sort of plant that tease for an eventual break up as at some point one of them has to try to win the match.

Christian

for Christian, i reckon they shouldn't give him the ECW title, instead make him win the MITB match, then build him up on ECW, then move him to another brand and maybe fued with Edge, if he's the world champion at the time

It's an interesting idea, and has a lot of merit since I think Swagger needs the ECW belt way more then say a Christian or a Finlay does. I like this idea.

Outlaw wrote:

An I shocked? No. I've been a fan long enough to realize this fact. Am I disappointed? Yes. Its the same old thing they have resorted to in the past and it sucked then and it sucks now. Is it really wrong of me to hope for something to change for the better? You would think that they would realize that the fans don't care about the McMahons and the fact that a lot of hardcore fans (The ones that are left) hate Stephanie and were thrilled to see her get RKO'ed.

But Outlaw, Vince knows so much better then us what we want...I'm with you man, I want to see him broken out of this idea that he's smarter then his customers and can tell them exactly what they want, but as more and more time passes I think it just won't happen, as long as he's capable, he's going to be the head man in the creative process, and as long as he's involved, we're going to get recycled story after recycled story. Hope is great, but realism is also a good thing too.

At 2/23/09 01:19 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Rey Mysterio

Rey has gotten slower since his injuries, I'm not sure a ladder match would do much more now for him then just expose that slowness. Still, he could be added in since there isn't really anywhere else on the card thus far I see him fitting in.

that's pretty much what i thought, the only other possible match i can see for him is a lame match with Mike Knox that im guessing won't go over very well..

Mr. Kennedy

No, he doesn't deserve it, he's too injury prone and he's never shown his true potential. Time to take the rocket off this guy and give this slot to somebody else. I don't think he should be anywhere near this bout.

pretty much the same answer as rey mysterio, he's going to be making his return soon, and if he doesn't get into a major fued by WM (which seemed like he was going to have one with MVP, but since's his face turn seems highly unlikely) then mitb match will probably be up his alley.

WWE.com made the following announcement tonight:

Manu released
Written: February 23, 2009

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Manu as of February 23, 2009. WWE wishes Manu the best in all future endeavors.

I hate to say this, but i was not surprized at this in any way since he was knocked out of the legacy

Sorry for the double post but i figured that this was very important..

According to a report in the Arizona Republic, Phoenix, Arizona has been picked to host WrestleMania 26. Next year's event will take place at the University of Phoenix Stadium.

It should be noted that the stadium is actually located in Glendale, Arizona. The NFL's Arizona Cardinals play at 65,000 seat stadium. The stadium also hosts college football's annual Fiesta Bowl.

WWE is expected to make an official announcement tomorrow.

At 2/23/09 05:04 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: pretty much the same answer as rey mysterio, he's going to be making his return soon, and if he doesn't get into a major fued by WM (which seemed like he was going to have one with MVP, but since's his face turn seems highly unlikely) then mitb match will probably be up his alley.

Throw him in the battle royal they do before the show to get a bunch of guys who can't make the main show a paycheck. That sounds about right to me. They really really need to send the message to this dude that he's got to shape up or bait will be cut.

As for Manu, guy never had a great look, his work was unimpressive, so what the hell do you expect to happen? You can only get so far on your name alone, especially when your name isn't really all that important to WWE history (like if it was Cody or Ted struggling like Manu did, I'm sure they'd get many many more chances to improve. That's life).

At 2/23/09 08:08 PM, idiot-buster wrote: WWE.com made the following announcement tonight:

Manu released
Written: February 23, 2009

World Wrestling Entertainment has come to terms on the release of Raw Superstar Manu as of February 23, 2009. WWE wishes Manu the best in all future endeavors.

I hate to say this, but i was not surprized at this in any way since he was knocked out of the legacy

it was only a matter of time, although in his matchup against Matt Hardy he pulled off a pretty good moonsault for a guy his size... still it wasn't enough to impress me or anyone else by the looks of it..

also CM Punk qualifies for the mitb match..... GAY!

At 2/24/09 01:59 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also CM Punk qualifies for the mitb match..... GAY!

CM Punk made out with another man during the match? I must have missed that part...

Man...Chavo should retire or quit. The way WWE jobs him out it makes me think that the only reason they keep him around is the fact that his last name is Guerrero. Such a sad thing. I'm not saying he should have beaten Cena, but he should have put up more of a fight.

I hope they give Miz and Morrison more chances to get into the MITB match as I think they would be great additions to the match. WWE may have them defent the tag belts at Mania so that might be why they aren't in it.

Manu being fired doesn't suprise me either. Up next we should expect Snuka to be released.

At 2/24/09 01:59 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: also CM Punk qualifies for the mitb match..... GAY!

He's the IC Champ, he's a former winner and World Champion, so why the hell shouldn't he be in it? The way they fucked it up for him last year, he should probably beat the hell out of everyone, win the match, job out the champion of his choice and reign for like 6 months to make up for how bad they fucked him last year when you could easily make the case he was getting over as champion. But oh right, he's an "indy guy" he's not "one of the boys" or whatever nonsense they use this week to justify those kind of dumb decisions. If it gets over, push it. It's all money in your pocket people.

WrestleMania 26 is going to be held in Glendale, Arizona.

At 2/24/09 07:28 PM, Basspro55 wrote: Who was manu I dont even remember seeing him around even when I just saw a picture of him. Also where is this jericho angle heading?

Well just a copy+paste from wikipedia:

On November 19, 2007, Anoa'i made his debut on WWE television under the name Mai Tai Anoa'i in a losing effort against Jim Duggan at the Heat tapings.[6] Anoa'i was later suspended by WWE for 30 days, on March 20, 2008, for violating WWE's Wellness Policy.[7] At Unforgiven, Anoa'i made his debut on the full-time roster under the name "Manu".[8] He aligned himself with Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiase, by attacking Cryme Tyme after their World Tag Team Championship match.[8] Later that night, the three of them helped Randy Orton attack the World Heavyweight Champion CM Punk and Kofi Kingston.[8] On the September 8 edition of Raw Manu, Rhodes and DiBiase defeated Cryme Tyme and Kofi Kingston in a six man tag team match.[9] On the November 17 episode of Raw, he made his singles debut in a losing effort against Batista.[10] During this time, Rhodes, DiBiase and Manu entered a storyline with Randy Orton where Orton constantly criticized and insulted them, and attacked DiBiase on November 3, on Raw.[11] Manu and Rhodes accepted Orton's offer for an alliance in the following weeks, and the trio dubbed themselves "The Legacy".[12]

After Orton grew tired of The Legacy losing matches, he scheduled a test for each member on the December 29 episode of Raw; however, Manu failed to pass his test after he lost to the ECW Champion, Matt Hardy, and was kicked out as his former companions Rhodes and Sim Snuka turned their backs on him.[13] Later Snuka also got kicked out of the group, and the two quickly reunited.[14] They planned to get their revenge on Orton and Rhodes on the January 12, 2009 episode of Raw, with the aid of the returning Ted DiBiase, but DiBiase betrayed them, and joined The Legacy with Orton and Rhodes.[15]

As for the jericho angle, maby facing a legened at wrestlemania or facing Mickey Rourke. That is one of the matches that are being keeped in the dark.

At 2/24/09 08:59 PM, idiot-buster wrote: As for the jericho angle, maby facing a legened at wrestlemania or facing Mickey Rourke. That is one of the matches that are being keeped in the dark.

Last I checked they're saying Rourke will be there as a guest of WWE, which probably means interference, but not working. Hogan is heavily lobbying to be on the show and in that match, but I don't know if that'll happen (especially because Hogan will demand to win, and win clean most likely). Honestly I'm not sure who Jericho will face at this point.

man its been a long time since ive been to this club i cant even remember what my # was any way hello to all and i cant wait til march 23 for legends of wrestlemania it seems from what photos and movies ive seen on wwe.com its going to be a cool game cause they finally put jack "thesnake" roberts in as a playable person jake was one of my favs as a kid lets see ive watched since 84 thats about 25yrs for me well good to see some familiar people take care and if any of the legends can remeber what # i was please let me know! thanks keep the good fight

At 2/24/09 03:39 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: He's the IC Champ, he's a former winner and World Champion, so why the hell shouldn't he be in it? The way they fucked it up for him last year, he should probably beat the hell out of everyone, win the match, job out the champion of his choice and reign for like 6 months to make up for how bad they fucked him last year when you could easily make the case he was getting over as champion. But oh right, he's an "indy guy" he's not "one of the boys" or whatever nonsense they use this week to justify those kind of dumb decisions. If it gets over, push it. It's all money in your pocket people.

the guy won last year, he actually did win the title but it didnt go over so they didnt even put him in the scramble match for his title.. if they make him win again it'll just be another lame unsuccessful title run.
bottom line, the guy is just overrated.. all he does is kicks and the GTS. man tajiri did kicks all the time but at least that guy had talent. also before coming to wwe, i heard that he had the best mic skills, but it was definately hype, sure he's not boring on the mic, but he's nowhere near the leagues of the rock, jericho, piper, hell even santino marella..
also from some sources i've heard the guys just an arrogant asshole, whose cocky towards road agents backstage

and THATS why i don't think punk deserves another chance

Happy 60th birthday Ric Flair!

and coincidentally, it's my 20th.

At 2/25/09 06:00 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: bottom line, the guy is just overrated.. all he does is kicks and the GTS. man tajiri did kicks all the time but at least that guy had talent. also before coming to wwe, i heard that he had the best mic skills, but it was definately hype, sure he's not boring on the mic, but he's nowhere near the leagues of the rock, jericho, piper, hell even santino marella..
also from some sources i've heard the guys just an arrogant asshole, whose cocky towards road agents backstage

and THATS why i don't think punk deserves another chance

I wouldn't call Punk arrogant. He's just a smart-ass (Which is just the way he is) and that apparently rubs some people the wrong way. As for mic skills, you can't possibly criticize them since he's rarely given a chance to talk on the mic. Rock, Jericho, Piper, even Santino are (Or were) good on the mic, partly because THEY WERE ACTUALLY GIVEN A CHANCE TO TALK!

Ahh, damn it! I knew I forgot something.

Did anyone catch ECW last night? If you didn't, you missed one hell of a match between Swagger and Christian, in what is easily the best match we've gotten on tv in 2009. I would suggest to those that might have missed it, that they go out of their way to track this match down and give it a look. Yes, it was that good.