Once again, The King of Controversy Edge steals the show. We have a new World Heavyweight Champion, and a new WWE Champion. As stands it would appear Orton will face Triple H to try and bring the WWE title back over to Raw, and Edge will be facing someone else (probably Big Show?) at Wrestlemania. Unless they plan on swerving us somehow with Edge either going over to RAW (according to the site he's still a SD! wrestler) and then facing Orton, or something else. WWE seems to have kind of hit a panic button here I guess to try and create some buzz. Let's see how that works out for them from here.

I'll give it to WWE on this one. Didn't see that coming at all. Man, Edge is really getting up there in the title count, though HHH is now on his 13th run with the title. Only three more to go for him to tie Ric Flair.
I wonder if this makes Edge a Raw guy now? I'm not sure what they will do with this situation. Maybe they will dispute it since Edge wasn't supposed to be in the match to begin with.

Everything else seemed to go the way we thought, like Orton beating Shane and HBK beating JBL.

At 2/16/09 10:42 AM, MudkipsPiano wrote: I have to tell you all right now the definite main event for Wrestlemania 25. It will be a classic. It will be none other than the following: Triple H vs. The Undertaker.

As good as that match would be, I hope they don't do it. The WWE Title matches and Taker match are solid draws on their own, so I think they should be kept separate. Also, neither HHH or Taker need the rub from such a high profile match at this stage in their careers.
And you always have the fear that Taker will be beaten by Trips.

Well that was a curve ball.
HHH champion again *yawn*

Cena not champ going to WM!?

At the moment for wrestlemania I can see..
HHH vs Orton
Edge vs Cena
Matt vs Jeff
Christian vs Jack Swagger

At 2/16/09 01:16 PM, Shaun wrote: At the moment for wrestlemania I can see..
HHH vs Orton
Edge vs Cena
Matt vs Jeff
Christian vs Jack Swagger

How about Taker? Him and HBK?

At 2/16/09 10:42 AM, MudkipsPiano wrote:
Again, sorry for late predictions. Anyway, with Edge winning the RAW elimination chamber match, I think it's the worst idea the WWE ever came up with. The last thing we need is Edge in the main event of wrestlemania AGAIN. Then again, the WWE always knows what they're doing.

I'm sorry but I disagree with everything you said completely. Worst idea is Katie Vick, hands down. Edge has main evented wrestlemania only once in his career. Cena has been doing it for the last three years. He face Orton last year too, so we would have gotten the same two guys two years in the row if they didn't have Edge win.

Edge screwing Cena over in the chamber has already done wonders for WWE once before. When he did it a couple years ago, the ratings on Raw went up until Cena won it back a month later.

As for Smackdown, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Triple H vs Kozlov at WM.

At 2/16/09 05:03 PM, boloneyman wrote: As for Smackdown, I wouldn't be surprised if it is Triple H vs Kozlov at WM.

i have a feeling kozlov will be in the match that everyone will end up calling the worst match of the night

theres always one every year

At 2/16/09 10:24 PM, Random-Her03 wrote:
i have a feeling kozlov will be in the match that everyone will end up calling the worst match of the night

theres always one every year

Yeah, after seeing Raw just now I agree. It is pretty obvious who Triple H is going to face. I don't know if I want to see another Edge and Cena match though, maybe Edge might get to win it for once. He does have the "undefeated" streak.

In speaking of which, I loved Edge's promo tonight. I was dying when he told the kid he was wrong. I also noted that the kid knew he was just acting, but an older looking guy by the kid got way to in to it. Piper's and Shawn's promos were amazing as well.

At 2/16/09 11:12 PM, boloneyman wrote: Yeah, after seeing Raw just now I agree. It is pretty obvious who Triple H is going to face.

Ugh, and the McMahons will be the focus, christ I don't want this and neither does the crowd. When Orton RKO'ed Steph they popped. Nobody buys her as a babyface. Guess that worked shoot angle is the way they're going here. My question is will we be seeing any brand changes here? Or is the point going to be that Cena will beat Edge to get the World Title back to RAW and H beats Orton to keep the WWE belt on SD! meaning no major talent or title swaps before the draft? I can certainly see them leaning that way with a draft so close after Mania.

I don't know if I want to see another Edge and Cena match though, maybe Edge might get to win it for once. He does have the "undefeated" streak.

No he doesn't, if you don't buy that not winning MITB at 23 counts as a loss, you can't dispute that he definitely lost last year. Cena and Edge always tend to deliver good matches, and if they do plan on having Edge lose (which I really don't love) then I hope they put some stipulation on the bout since the gimmick bouts between he and Cena are pretty good. Right now Edge is second in WWE all time for title wins (he has 8 at present) with only H ahead of him at 13. The problem for me is they never never have let him really have a long reign and I'm not sure why other then a) he doesn't necessarily need the belt, but he does need to at least chase it for his character to work and b) it looks like with H firmly a face, we're back to the old days where heels are short term champs and it's the babyfaces that reign long. I think Edge on top on SD! right now has a hell of a lot of possibilities post Mania, but of course for that to happen they need to either commit to him hanging onto the World Title and keeping that on SD!, or a quick loss to Cena at Mania and then getting the WWE title back at some point.

We have a lot of ways to go, but to me I think Mania has actually gotten a little less interesting with the directions were taking and stop and think about it we're six weeks out from it and that's all the build any set up card will get this year. I think the buyrates are going to be a bit scary this year.

Also great to see The Funks confirmed for the Hall. Those are two names that if they aren't in your hall of fame, you can't even try to say it's a real Hall of Fame with a straight face.

In speaking of which, I loved Edge's promo tonight. I was dying when he told the kid he was wrong. I also noted that the kid knew he was just acting, but an older looking guy by the kid got way to in to it. Piper's and Shawn's promos were amazing as well.

I guess the direction WWE is going to take with Orton is him going against HHH. Orton is the #1 contender to whatever world title he wants and HHH will be out for revenge. This could be a good angle if done right but this can cheapen the fact that Orton is going after the title and make it more about the McMahons and HHH.

Cena vs. Edge again? Again it makes sense based on what happened but they fueded for the better part of last year and a bit before that. I'd rather Edge have a longer run this time since he keeps losing the title after a few weeks or months.

It's very cool to see the Funks get the Hall of Fame nod. It's a shame that Mick Foley isn't inducting Terry Funk, but it can't be helped.

At 2/17/09 12:57 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I guess the direction WWE is going to take with Orton is him going against HHH. Orton is the #1 contender to whatever world title he wants and HHH will be out for revenge. This could be a good angle if done right but this can cheapen the fact that Orton is going after the title and make it more about the McMahons and HHH.

That's absolutely what's going to happen, it's going to be all about what Orton has done to the Mc's and Triple H defending the family and the belt will just kind of be "there". I mean, just look at what happened last night, Vickie and Edge spent about 10 minutes gloating how they outsmarted RAW, took their World Title away, made out in the ring, and the only person to do anything towards getting it back was Cena. The first time we see a McMahon or anyone that has equivalent or more power then Vickie from a story perspective? It's Shane challenging Randy and not saying one word about RAW technically having no world champion at this point. They've proven the focus for RAW heading into Mania is this McMahon dreck and the title absolutely is incidental in all of this. It pisses me off, especially when the fan reaction in the building to the "heel" stuff Orton does is to pop for it.

Cena vs. Edge again? Again it makes sense based on what happened but they fueded for the better part of last year and a bit before that. I'd rather Edge have a longer run this time since he keeps losing the title after a few weeks or months.

No, they feuded for the better part of 06, last year it was Taker and Edge, and some of 07 they feuded, but it's really been the better part of a year and a half to two years since we've had Cena against Edge. I do like the idea of a longer run for Edge, it's up to WWE though if they want to keep the World Title on SD! though at this point, and I think any run of Edge with a world title is better for that brand right now then anybody else with it because there's more faces for Edge to fight then there are credible heels for any babyface champion.

It's very cool to see the Funks get the Hall of Fame nod. It's a shame that Mick Foley isn't inducting Terry Funk, but it can't be helped.

It is, but Dusty is a great choice here too as he's known both Dory and Terry for years and they actually are the one's that Dusty first aproached about breaking into the business (Terry turned him down because of his lisp, and because they'd already broken in guys like Stan Hansen from their football team and didn't want it to become where if you played football with the Funks, you'd get broken in). But they've known each other since college and been up and down the road together so Dusty is probably better to speak to the careers of BOTH Funks, whereas Foley would really only be able to speak about Terry.

At 2/17/09 10:25 AM, JohnCena423 wrote: My predictions for the 2009 draft

Raw will get
MVP
Vladimir kozlov
evan bourne
Shelton Benjamin
The brian kendrick
Jeff Hardy
HHH
Undertaker

Smackdown Will get
Chris jericho
Mark henry
CM punk
Mickie james
Christian
Rey Mysterio
Boogeyman
John Cena
Randy orton

Ecw will get
Kane
Manu
The great khali

Thats all

thats too much man, and all you chose were the top guys

il probably change my mind later but my predictions right now

RAW
Evan Bourne
John Morrison
Big Show
The Undertaker
Jesse & Festus

Smackdown
John Cena
The Miz
Chris Jericho
Dolph Ziggler
Jillian
Christian
Cryme Tyme

ECW
Kizarny
Sim Snuka
Rey Mysterio

At 2/17/09 09:13 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: ECW
Rey Mysterio

No chance.

At 2/17/09 09:13 PM, Random-Her03 wrote: ECW
Kizarny
Sim Snuka
Rey Mysterio

You know I totally forgot Kizarny even existed. He had what.. one match? If they are still going to use him ECW could be the place for him. Of course they may just fire him and be done with it. When is the next draft anyway?

At 2/18/09 01:52 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: You know I totally forgot Kizarny even existed. He had what.. one match? If they are still going to use him ECW could be the place for him. Of course they may just fire him and be done with it. When is the next draft anyway?

April 13th. I don't see them moving a lot of undercard guys here, unless they decide to run an after the fact supplemental draft I guess. I think sticking guys like Kizarny on ECW could be good, ECW should be the developmental brand and I think it would be tremendous for Scotty Goldman to be sent over there as well. Do I sit it happening? Eh, probably not, I more or less think those guys will just be filling out the roster until they're released, or be the first gone in the post-Mania blood letting. I don't want it to happen, Goldman is funny and a pretty good worker, Kizarny really hasn't gotten to show us much of anything, so I'd hate to see them gone without getting a real chance to show if they can pass fail at LEAST at the ECW level.

At 2/18/09 06:31 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: No chance.

1. they always send a top guy to ECW during the draft (2006: Kurt Angle, 2007: Chris Benoit, 2008: Matt Hardy)
2. Rey's an ECW original, if Dreamers getting the boot soon they at least need one drop of old school ECW in that brand

At 2/19/09 01:07 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

:I think it would be tremendous for Scotty Goldman to be sent over there as well.

i was gonna write that in my predictions, then again its not until april so i'll probably change my predictions alot until then.

also i found out, during his time in the wwe, RVD was involved in every draft lottery

entered wwe in 2001

2002: pick #4 for Raw
2004: drafted to smackdown
2005: drafted to Raw
2006: selected by Paul Heyman to be apart of the ECW roster

he left wwe just days before the 2007 draft

At 2/19/09 02:28 AM, Random-Her03 wrote:

At 2/18/09 06:31 AM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: No chance.

1. they always send a top guy to ECW during the draft (2006: Kurt Angle, 2007: Chris Benoit, 2008: Matt Hardy)

I agree they need a "top" guy on the brand (although many could argue that both Hardy and Christian were more midcarders on the other brands) and if Christian gets drafted away there is a good chance someone pretty high in the rankings will be sent there. I don't think it will be Rey though, simply because he's one of the most over with the kid fan base. And with the child friendly image the WWE are going for I'd assume they would want him on one of there higher priority shows.

2. Rey's an ECW original, if Dreamers getting the boot soon they at least need one drop of old school ECW in that brand

I really doubt they care about that as this stage.
Also, try not to triple post.

It's still a bit early to be talking about the Draft as a lot of things can happen between now and then. More guys could be released and titles could change hands. Not that having titles changed much since they moved world champions around in the past.

Somewhat interesting article from wwe.com Here

At 2/19/09 02:28 AM, Random-Her03 wrote: 1. they always send a top guy to ECW during the draft (2006: Kurt Angle, 2007: Chris Benoit, 2008: Matt Hardy)

If they plan on Christian sticking around, that's your top guy right there. At this point the brand is used as another stage in the developmental process, so a really over mid-carder from another show can come to ECW and be a top guy. So if Christian doesn't move, the only people I'd move to ECW in the draft are people that need more seasoning, or that have gotten lost in the shuffle on other shows that I thought showed potential and I could get soimething out of. But that'd be me, with WWE, God knows.

2. Rey's an ECW original, if Dreamers getting the boot soon they at least need one drop of old school ECW in that brand

They. Don't. Care. About. That. Kevin Dunn squelched any semblance of that being like the Original, it's moved on since then and the only thing they share in common is the letters. When Dreamer is off the boat they can really just make a clean break with the old promotion and go do their own version. That fanbase already took off so again I just can't see them moving anyone over that way just cause they're an original.

I hope they do move Christian in the draft. He can help the young superstars to grow as performers, but there's so many fresh storylines they could do with him elsewhere that could do good business. So once they've finished their "punishing him for going away", I hope they do something good with him.

At 2/19/09 01:06 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I hope they do move Christian in the draft. He can help the young superstars to grow as performers, but there's so many fresh storylines they could do with him elsewhere that could do good business. So once they've finished their "punishing him for going away", I hope they do something good with him.

I think they will and I think they do see that. But right now the most logical place for him to go is SD!, all the logical feuds for him, or alliances are pretty much already locked in. So instead of shoehorning him in why not take their time, wait until the Hardy's one on one feud is petering out, or Edge will need a new direction or opponent, and then move him over? WWE really needs to parse things out more and take their time, so leaving Christian on ECW to rebuild himself and maybe bring some younger guys along is a good call.

It makes sense now since they didn't go with the most logical storyline of him being Hardy's attacker. Once they made that a Hardy vs. Hardy storyline they had to put Christian away from it to get himself established. I do have to admit that it;s great to see him on WWE tv again. I've always enjoyed his work and when he went to TNA it was crappy for me since I either keep forgetting when that show is on or I'm working.

Jeff should have won the title at the PPV, his feud with matt heading towards wrestlemania would have made more sense with the title then HHHs with Orton.

HHH and Orton have a good enough story going not to need the title in the picture.

It is a shame.

I just wanted to say, remember about 3 months ago when i said that it was going to be shawn michaels vs the undertaker well Looks like my source was right and you guys can believe me when i post something like a prediction of a ppv.

At 2/20/09 12:54 PM, idiot-buster wrote: I just wanted to say, remember about 3 months ago when i said that it was going to be shawn michaels vs the undertaker well Looks like my source was right and you guys can believe me when i post something like a prediction of a ppv.

wow, its amazing that posted something that was being said on all the internet wrestling sites well before you mentioned it.
sure can trust you and your amazingness.
<remembers to ignore idiot>

Is MVP supposed to be a heel or a face.. or something somewhere inbetween?
I just watched his match on smackdown and im totally confused.
Is it even important?

At 2/20/09 01:30 PM, Shaun wrote:

At 2/20/09 12:54 PM, idiot-buster wrote: I just wanted to say, remember about 3 months ago when i said that it was going to be shawn michaels vs the undertaker well Looks like my source was right and you guys can believe me when i post something like a prediction of a ppv.

wow, its amazing that posted something that was being said on all the internet wrestling sites well before you mentioned it.

Not really, it was a dream match at that point. More of a "i would like to see that match" not to meny people knew it was happening. So meny people wanted to see it happen moths ago that they believed what they were saying.

sure can trust you and your amazingness.

Damn stright..

<remembers to ignore idiot>

You got it wrong, i Bust idiots...

Is MVP supposed to be a heel or a face.. or something somewhere inbetween?
I just watched his match on smackdown and im totally confused.
Is it even important?

It seems confusing to me too but it almost looks like that he is becoming more of a heel, I can not see him as a face at this moment they need another storong heel on smackdown not as much as edge but lesser.

At 2/20/09 01:46 PM, idiot-buster wrote: Not really, it was a dream match at that point. More of a "i would like to see that match" not to meny people knew it was happening. So meny people wanted to see it happen moths ago that they believed what they were saying.

It's been teased for 3 years, it's not like your "source" called something truly shocking like the Edge losing one world title and winning the other in the same night or anything. They just called something that had a very reasonable chance of happening and oh look, they got lucky and we're right. The nature of WWE is that they never seem to know for certain that far in advance what they're doing, up until Monday I kept hearing the Mania plans were written in pencil not ink (meaning that they were subject to change). So I don't believe your guy could have "known" that Taker and Michaels was a lock.

Is MVP supposed to be a heel or a face.. or something somewhere inbetween?
I just watched his match on smackdown and im totally confused.
Is it even important?

It seems confusing to me too but it almost looks like that he is becoming more of a heel, I can not see him as a face at this moment they need another storong heel on smackdown not as much as edge but lesser.

He's wrestling Shelton Benjamin, Benjamin is a stone cold heel. MVP is being cheered, and he doesn't seem to be out there calling the crowd names, so it looks to me like he is totally going face.

As far as the title situation, I think the Hardy's don't need the belt in their program yet, but I agree H and Orton is going to have the belt be secondary, though I imagine the match itself will be good. Honestly I'm now very blase about the title matches on both sides from a storyline excitement standpoint, but I know they should be really strong bouts when they actually happen. But without that "sizzle" it just doesn't feel like a Mania worthy title match to me.

At 2/20/09 02:09 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 2/20/09 01:46 PM, idiot-buster wrote: Not really, it was a dream match at that point. More of a "i would like to see that match" not to meny people knew it was happening. So meny people wanted to see it happen moths ago that they believed what they were saying.

It's been teased for 3 years, it's not like your "source" called something truly shocking like the Edge losing one world title and winning the other in the same night or anything. They just called something that had a very reasonable chance of happening and oh look, they got lucky and we're right. The nature of WWE is that they never seem to know for certain that far in advance what they're doing, up until Monday I kept hearing the Mania plans were written in pencil not ink (meaning that they were subject to change). So I don't believe your guy could have "known" that Taker and Michaels was a lock.

I have been hearing otherthings, there are 4 major matches set in stone for wrestlemania 1) HBK vs the undertaker and i was positive it was going to happen since before the royal rumble because there was speculation that he may main event wrestlemania a slim chance. but then i knew when jbl lost the match then it would be jbl vs hbk at NWO and from there i was sure that JBL was going to lose the match and that shawn would go on to another feud and the only other major superstar without a feud going into WM was the undertaker and it all made sence if you think about it. IF you want i could post the other matches "set in stone" for WM.