At 6/26/08 01:57 PM, mothballs wrote: may I also include that he is a faggot.

No you may not, it's against the BBS rules to use that word, the rules you agreed to be bound to when you first began posting here. Don't do that again or I'm gonna keep my ban hand strong, we're not screwing around about that stuff anymore.

It'll be interesting to see how WWE changes belts around Sunday and I think will also say a good deal about how hard a split we'll wind up getting (I'm willing to give them a somewhat pass for Tuesday, or even Friday if need be, since there's a lot of cross brand matches now on this PPV, and they need to promote them as much as possible and such).

At 6/26/08 02:47 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: Like I said, with la familia at edge's side, smackdown is losing it's ratings week after week after week.

Indeed. However, having Triple H on SD! now can't hurt them any.

In fact, last I knew, H was on the writing staff as well as being a wrestler. Is this still true today? And if so... hmm, what do you think the odds are of SD finally getting cleaned up of this "La Familia" filth? Though it may happen, I don't really see H writing himself getting screwed out of everything buy this retarded stable. Whether you like him or not... he's not exactly a low-name competitor. Tisk tisk.

Also, on a bit of a pase subject, when do we see 'Taker coming back? Maybe I missed it, but I don't recall even seeing his picture on the huge "select screen" on the draft edition of RAW the other day...?

Meh.

Taker's been "banished" from the WWE, so it wouldn't make any sense to have him in the draft.
I hope Edge retains this Sunday, because it's always best when the face is chasing the big evil heel faction. And no one wants another baby Dave title reign.
Plus it would make sense that Cena would get his title back now, as he's the top face again on Raw.

At 6/26/08 04:27 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Taker's been "banished" from the WWE, so it wouldn't make any sense to have him in the draft.
I hope Edge retains this Sunday, because it's always best when the face is chasing the big evil heel faction. And no one wants another baby Dave title reign.
Plus it would make sense that Cena would get his title back now, as he's the top face again on Raw.

Not to mention the fact that Taker had two or three cracks at Edge and didn't manage it. If Big Dave comes along and beats all the odds, to me it says something about The Undertaker. I know it wont greatly effect him because of who he is and the reputation he's built up, but still...

You stay away from Batista right at the top I think. Cena and Batista is a "dream match" for the newer fans, and I'm sure there's at least some curiosity for folks how that'd go down. It's a potential Mania main event so they shouldn't rush right to that, and they have options other then that program.

I think if H is smart, they leave La Familia together a bit longer, there's still money to be made there I think and you shouldn't break up something that is obviously working.

At 6/26/08 05:47 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I think if H is smart, they leave La Familia together a bit longer, there's still money to be made there I think and you shouldn't break up something that is obviously working.

Aye. But of course, and maybe it's just me, I watch 'rasslin to be entertained, as I'm sure we all do. And frankly, I just completely stopped watching SD all together as the time around Edge and Vickie got "engaged" it just seems like the same garbage over and over. I occasionally flip to the main eventers, and I believe it was last week, they're begining to pull the same shit on Batista they were pulling on the Undertaker. I mean, a major heel stable storyline is one thing - the Corporate Ministry is still one of my favourites to date - but I mean come on. There's just no elevation to it - Edge wants the title, so for about a month or two the whole Familia will screw over anybody standing in his way, with no conflict or twists.

Honestly... What is your opinion on where "La Familia" is going? It just seems like they're pulling together a bunch of one-trick pony shows in my opinion - they're building them up to be this unstoppable force with Edge obviously just sticking around to get the upper hand on everybody, and that's exactly what it is. Edge is constantly getting his way and there's no stop to it... I mean, if it was at least interesting with some shake-up and twists, that would be one thing... but it just seems like it's going nowhere and it's never going to stop. For instance... Chavo got upset and walked out on La Familia for a match, only to have things patched back up the following week. Wow. WHAT A TWIST. Just seems like the only thing the fans are waiting for in this storyline is when it will end.

I think the group serves it's purpose, it's all about making sure Edge keeps his belt, and making Edge and Vickie the most vile heels. Storylines like this are pretty simple and one trick, even things like the Corporation or whatever was a simple formula of the heel champion being protected by the people in power, with the babyface trying to somehow over come. It's hard to do now because it's been done nonstop for nearly a decade now. I think this version of it is good though based on the talents of Edge and Vickie, and I think it's a good spot for the Edgeheads as they'll learn and improve from being around Edge. As for Chavo, I still think he may break away at some point, they seemed to plant that seed as Edge was all hugging him and going "I'm gonna be your Uncle Edge" and Chavo didn't seem to like that idea too much.

We'll see where they go with it, but for now, I think they are an enjoyable part of the program

At 6/26/08 07:46 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: We'll see where they go with it, but for now, I think they are an enjoyable part of the program

Especially when you consider how TNA book things. I'm no expert on TNA, and i haven't actually watched it in ages, but the last time I did you had Jeff Jarrett, Gail Kim, James Storm etc, all coming out all the time.
It was a clusterfuck, everybody involved in everything, and the storyline was just so contrived and nonsensical that i just didn't know what was happening. If you didn't like it, you couldn't ignore it because it spread out over every match on the show.
At least with La Familia, it's a simple concept: Edge has loads of cronies who stop people from getting to him and his title. It's confined to certain pojnts in the night, and you can still enjoy all the other matches because they don't involve La Familia.

I think Cody is going to turn on Holly and team with Ted Jr. I say this because I can't think of anyone to fill that mystery partner spot since the most likely candidate of DH Smith was moved to SD.

Jericho also has a mystery opponent, but I think it will be HBK. Who else could it be? If it is someone else I fully expect HBK to get involved somehow.

Maybe CM Punk will be Jericho's opponent. He doesn't have a match on the ppv, and having the guy with the briefcase have some gold would lend him some credibility. Either way HBK will be involved somehow.

At 6/27/08 11:40 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Maybe CM Punk will be Jericho's opponent. He doesn't have a match on the ppv, and having the guy with the briefcase have some gold would lend him some credibility. Either way HBK will be involved somehow.

Neither Punk nor Hardy have matches, two of the biggest face's in the business :/

WWE shook things up! Made almost every title match a last chance leading in to the PPV becaue of competitors changing brands, I like it. Punks change was good but if he keeps his kinda loosing, sometimes winning setup to nothing I will get mad. If Punk jobs we riot! I hope WWE will get teddy hart for teds tag titles match. I like the idea of trips, edge, taker matches. Also about the ecw title people need to remember raw will tour with ec dub so Kanecan be on one show and go to the other or fight raw and ecw stars for the title maybe make it the hardcore title again but the 24/7 rule made the matches less hardcore to me.

At 6/27/08 06:15 PM, MudkipsPiano wrote: I have a big feeling Cena will walk out champion. And I hope so, because I've always had massive respect for him. Prove me wrong Newgrounds, or else I might be the only one with this opinion.

This is one of those times where its very hard to predict what WWE has in store for us. I'm glad for this since if we knew what would happen all the the time it wouldn't be fun to watch. All I do know is that there will be a title change on Sunday. Who ends up losing is a tough call. Cena might win, but so could Batista. The end result is the same, Raw gets a face champ, with another face chasing the title.

As for respecting Cena... Yeah I do, but I respect most of the wrestlers. They all put their bodies on the line each night to entertain us, and that deserves some respect. True some don't try as hard, but Cena is one of those who busts their ass eash and every night. I can respect that. Am I a fan of his? Not really, but I can imagine worse being at the top, so I can at least stand him.

At 6/26/08 05:47 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: You stay away from Batista right at the top I think. Cena and Batista is a "dream match" for the newer fans, and I'm sure there's at least some curiosity for folks how that'd go down. It's a potential Mania main event so they shouldn't rush right to that, and they have options other then that program.

Agreed. For some of us, Batista vs Cena might not be appealing as a match-up, but for the majority of the fans (And the WWE) its one of the few big money matches left (With Cena vs Taker at WM being another). I think we'll probably get some teases between the two until the Rumble, then we'll get the build for a possible match between the two at WM 25.

I think if H is smart, they leave La Familia together a bit longer, there's still money to be made there I think and you shouldn't break up something that is obviously working.

That's a big if. I don't know why, but I see HHH feuding with Edge and "defeating" La Familia in a matter of months, puttin an end to them. I'd like to see an Edge-HHH feud, but I get the feeling that HHH will remain atop the SD brand for the next couple of months.

Who's ready to see Edge vs. Matt Hardy? I certainly know I am.

At least, they said they were going to have this match last week.

Matt Hardy and Edge put on an awesome match last night. It was by far the best match of the night. Rest of the show was ok too though there wasn't as many stand out things like that match was.

A Edge/HHH fued is inevitable. One is going to lose a title and the other will chase the one who didn't.

At 6/28/08 12:21 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: A Edge/HHH fued is inevitable. One is going to lose a title and the other will chase the one who didn't.

Aye. I'm still hoping H's title reign lasts a little longer (ie: H retains and Edge loses)... Not very likely to see a belt swap between the two brands, but a fun little thought to entertain. And besides... if Edge is left belt-less after NoC, it'd give him a reason to start fucking H over, as seems to be the pattern.

But on a different note, I do suppose this "wedding" between Edge and Vickie is just crying for interruption. Perhaps a Taker return? Or does NG reckon it's a little too early for him to be comin' back? Seems to be a good opportunity for one to make a big "impact" as far as feuding with La Familia goes, and it'll be pretty fun to see. Maybe even the debut of a "counter-stable" of faces to rival La Familia? Ah well... who knows.

I'm sure the wedding will be interupted somehow. My guess is HHH himself getting involved and ruining it. I have no idea what WWE plans to do with Taker, maybe he will go to Raw.

Good stuff as always D. I think you are right on the money in terms of what I think may happen. I'm also rooting for Miz and Morrison, so lets hope WWE is smart enough to not do that.

At 6/29/08 10:47 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Good stuff as always D. I think you are right on the money in terms of what I think may happen. I'm also rooting for Miz and Morrison, so lets hope WWE is smart enough to not do that.

Meh, as much as I hate to say it, he's probably right. With there being so many overall possible outcomes crunched into NoC, it's hard to tell, as usually PPV victories don't depend on "if this guy loses this guy's going to win" ... only time will tell.

I'm still pulling for H to win and Edge to lose, but that's just a "playing favourites" scenario there... No way it'll happen... =[

I don't know how to call this PPV. I heard there was no Smackdown Women's match anymore, we don't explicitly know who the challengers for the tag belts or the IC belt is, and things at the top could go either way.
I think they've kept things moderately unpredictable this time.

The Quicken Loans Arena box office in Cleveland, Ohio has posted an advertisement for the upcoming September Unforgiven PPV on the walls inside. It features John Cena on the left side with the WWE Title over his shoulder with Mysterio and HBK beside him. The right features Jericho, Batista and JBL. The bottom of the poster says "The War to End it All" and "Tickets on sale soon". This could be a sign that Cena will win the WWE title from Triple H tonight.

So it seems we've reached our destination...

THA WINNARZ

John Morrison & The Miz retained their WWE Tag Titles.

Matt Hardy retained his United States Championship.

Mark Henry defeated Big Show and Kane to become the new ECW Champion.

Cody Rhodes teamed up with Ted DiBiase to become the new World Tag Team Champions

Kofi Kingston defeated Chris Jericho to become the new Intercontinental Champion.

Mickie James defended her title, and nobody cares.

With some help from La Familia (but of course...), Edge retained his World Heavyweight title against Batista.

Out of nowhere, Triple H retained the WWE Championship against John Cena (Don't think many saw that coming).

Overall, a pretty nice WWE PPV, if not for then matches then just for the twists and turns alone. Honestly... who saw both Edge and Triple H retaining? Damn.

H and Edge retaining is a very interesting idea, and I think it's a great chance to create a "what's gonna happen feel?" especially if WWE smartly hard splits from here on out. You can do a deal then where Punk could then get one of those belts back, and there's an oppurtunity to build him here in doing so.

You can have Punk coming out on RAW saying he's the only one with a chance to bring a top title back to RAW and he is now the man on RAW. John Cena can then come out, or even better, have Cena open up RAW apologizing for not getting the job done and have Punk come out and kind of rip him a bit. I'm not suggesting turn Punk, I'm saying you have Punk come out like "John, your supposed to be mr. heart, mr. passion, but when the going gets tough you just quit? Where is your Pride? I got the oppurtunity to bring a belt here anytime I want, but your just gonna give it all up?" something like that, I'm not running on a great amount of sleep due to mod meat, but the point is that you can do something where Punk fights Cena in like a one off at the bash to give Punk a credible win over a top guy. Then Punk challenges Edge at SS, beats him, with H holding off Edge's cronies and help, and then Edge and H can feud, Punk can maybe turn heel based on the "I'm the only person that could get the job done and bring this belt back to RAW, fucking worship me" a lot like his last heel turn in ROH I figure. Lot's of possibility here...but again, they will probably blow it.

At 6/30/08 06:56 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: From the looks of things, best PPV for a while last night. I didn't expect to see Kofi coming out against Jericho and while I'm glad he's getting a push with the IC title, his greenness may present a slight hitch, but hopefully it won't and personally it shouldn't be a problem. He's entertaining enough to pull off a good run with the belt I think.

I think it puts the IC belt back where it should be: Firmly in the mid-card, rather than the upper-card. Jericho should be challenging for World title or having high profile feuds, and the IC title gets in the way of them (who would believe HBK would want the IC title off Jericho?)

I think we all saw Mark Henry winning the ECW belt, good move on WWE's part there. Also, isn't this the first title Henry's won in WWE since his return like way back in 2005?

Isn't it his first title since the European title?

Wow, both Edge AND Triple H retained. Didn't expect that, I was sure that Cena would win the belt back to Raw. This will certainly be interesting to see what happens now that no top belt is on Raw; perhaps Punk and Cena will have some sort of altercation like avie said. It makes sense and would portray Punk as one of the top guys on the brand.

These are interesting times. It would seem MITB would be the only way to bring the title back.

Interesting times indeed. I didn't seen both Edge and HHH retaining, nor did I expect Kofi to be the guy Jericho faced. If they have both WWE and World championships on the same show for a long amount of time would they do a title unification?

Punk could make good on his threat to chellenge Edge during his wedding. That contract is good for anytime and anywhere which is to Punk's advantage.

Yeah this is Mark Henry's first title since the Euro belt, which he technically didn't win, so this is the first belt mark Henry has won.

I'm glad Miz and Morrison retianed. Like I said they have been doing great in terms of being a legit team and they deserve to lose those belts in a better way.

Raw is going to be weird with no champion.

At 6/30/08 08:34 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Interesting times indeed. I didn't seen both Edge and HHH retaining, nor did I expect Kofi to be the guy Jericho faced. If they have both WWE and World championships on the same show for a long

But wouldn't they then have to make Raw a new top title? A new title would have no credibility to it...

Punk could make good on his threat to chellenge Edge during his wedding. That contract is good for anytime and anywhere which is to Punk's advantage.

I think that makes the most sense. They can't have Raw go into GAB without a top title or a Raw superstar at least challenging one of the top belts.

Well, i'll be damned. HHH really put up a fight against Cena last night, I was really surprised he was able to beat him. I'm gonna enjoy seeing this guy on Friday nights.

Kofi Kingston winning the IC title was really a surprise. And I can't tell you how happy I am that it happened. After he got drafted to Raw, I thought he would never turn into a main eventer like I wished. I'm going to love seeing him being a mid-carder on Raw.

I'm not sure how ECW feels, but they pretty much can't survive much longer. Losing Kane, Kingston and CM Punk and only gaining Matt Hardy is kinda sad. Maybe it is only an hour long, but still. It sucked enough already.

NoC was good. HHH/Cena was a much better match that I expected. Both seemed to give it there all, the crowd got behind them both, it had a "Wrestlemania" feel about it.

Nice to see Kofi get some gold so early in his career. Gold of a decent calibur as well. Proof that the WWE consider him a solid, future guy. A nice twist as well. Did anyone actually see the mystery oponent being the Jamican Sensation? I know I didn't. I didn't see him winning either. Nice that the WWE seems to be becoming more unpredictable.

Glad Miz/Morrision retained, although credit where credits due, I actually enjoyed the Hornswoggle match. Again, better than I expected. The little guy pulled of his best performance in his WWE carrer in my opinion.

Hardy/Chavo was a bit of a dissapointment. No build, and not a paticularly enjoyable match. I expected something more fast paced from two speedy guys. i still stand by my opinion that having the US title on ECW is pointless. They've (rightfully) got there belt back, why do they need another? Come to think of it they've got the tag belts as well. The C show that just has enough talent to make one belt necessary, shouldn't have another belt that SD! really needs.

Edge/Batista was a little meh for me. I'm getting a little sick of the familia storyline. Still, HHH will hopefully spice things up a little as should the return of the deadman. HHH/Taker combine there efforts (possibly at SS) to defeat Edge and co once and for all. Then those two can fued away, all the way to WM! maybe. Although aren't the WWE looking at Edge/HHH at Mania? If so, have Edge win the Rumble (it's been years since a heel's won it) and have them go at it in a triple threat at Mania. That has the possiblity to be excellent. Obviously CM Punk takes one of the belts over to RAW (probably the WWE one) and the three mentioned earlier fight it out over the WHC.

The other tag match was boring and predictable. Hopefully the new champions will fued with someone other than Holly and a new partner. Never really been a fan of Bob. The women's match was skipped as usual. Apparently the second women's belt (like it's really needed :/) is going to be decided at this weeks SD!.

That everything, or am I missing one? Oh yeah, the ECW match. Started well, Kane getting injured really hurt it. Show and Henry didn't seem able or willing to wrestle each other. Then when Kane got back up it all exploded again. Henry looked legitamatley overwhelmed (both words there probably spelt wrong) at being champion. Good for him I say. It's been years since he's had a championship, and while not my favorite wrestler, a guy who's put years into the company deserves something, even if it is just on ECW. Don't know who he's going to fued with over it though (please, please, please not Show). I guess the sensible choice would be Matt, but that's looking unlikely with him being the US champ still. I can't think of many other faces on ECW apart from Dreamer. And WWE would rather put on Knox/Henry than Dreamer/Henry. Still, it'll be interesting to see who rises to the occasion.

There we go, that wraps up my thoughts on Night of Champions. Other opinions?