At 5/28/08 12:48 AM, pepeatumi wrote: I don't know what the move is called, but I've seen Sonjay Dutt do in the past. Needless to say, it looks awesome. Kofi is pretty much defying the rules of WWE. He only started feuding with Shelton a while back, other than that he's been in squash matches for the most part... And somehow, he's still managed to get over.

Kofi is special, but I'm not sure you want him off of ECW right now. I know the temptation is there, but I think you should keep bringing him along on the B show and move him over in a few months. Slow and steady is best sometimes, and if they do move Punk (and they should) then Kofi can be the top babyface.

With Punk? It is what it is, Chavo kind of needed that win, at least Punk was protected via the tights hook. Again, Punk needs to be off this brand and getting a featured push on one of the bigger shows, maybe a heel turn too, because Punk has always been a better heel then a face. Plus, as I've said a million times, get him on SD! hook him up with Edge, split 'em by Mania and you will have a money situation where Punk could cash in MITB and actually maybe win the World Title and look legit.

How is Undertaker "banished" from the whole WWE if he loses? Vickie is the GM of Smackdown, not the owner of WWE. And I doubt the higher-ups would want to let Undertaker go, ratings would go down. Also, if Kane loses the ECW championship, I'm never watching ECW again.

At 5/28/08 04:55 AM, bigjuicy wrote: Also, if Kane loses the ECW championship, I'm never watching ECW again.

I think there planning a Kane/Big Show fued, which should be interesting to watch.
Yet to watch ECW, but i've just read that Punk lost :( and Koffi had a good match :).

Kane will eventually lose belt, we're just not sure who at this point. If Big Show wins at ONS he will definatly be a force to recon with.

It's true that if Punk gets drafted to SD or Raw it will give Kofi a chance to step up and be the top face, but I think if he had the opportunity for some minor gold it would help him along the way of being a bigger star. The problem with ECW is that they don't have enough time for any other belts. Having the Tag belts on their show has helped though so maybe that will happen with the Raw tag belts.

At 5/28/08 11:22 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Kane will eventually lose belt, we're just not sure who at this point. If Big Show wins at ONS he will definatly be a force to recon with.

It's true that if Punk gets drafted to SD or Raw it will give Kofi a chance to step up and be the top face, but I think if he had the opportunity for some minor gold it would help him along the way of being a bigger star. The problem with ECW is that they don't have enough time for any other belts. Having the Tag belts on their show has helped though so maybe that will happen with the Raw tag belts.

I'd maybe give Kofi a run with the ECW belt before moving him over to the big leagues (SD!/RAW - Intercontinental/US). Remember, he really hasn't been on the show too long, and a title reign with a lesser belt could be a good learning curve for him.

At 5/28/08 11:22 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Having the Tag belts on their show has helped though so maybe that will happen with the Raw tag belts.

Which will probably wind up being the WWE tag belts. Because if Miz and Morrison are part of ECW still, and ECW is taped before RAW, they'll have to do some kind of way to swap the tag belts around. Which I've been for for awhile now, the WWE tag belts should be on the show with the WWE belt, and vice versa,

Just read this off PWinsider, some idiot hopped the rail and the SD! taping last night:

UPDATE ON SMACKDOWN FAN INCIDENT
by Mike Johnson @ 6:14 PM on 5/28/2008

Anthony Peter sent the following....I was at the Smackdown taping last night, and the fan did get to the wrestlers. He was in the section next to me in the lower tier getting pretty drunk. He hopped down and ran by the ramp right to the ring. I'm pretty sure he hit either Hawkins or Ryder in the back or the back of the head. Bam Neeley then hit the guy pretty hard before security got there.

Since I received the above from Anthony, I checked with additional sources who reconciled his sequence of events, so my earlier report that the fan didn't get to the wrestlers was incorrect. I apologize for the error.

I hope Neeley screwed this idiot up, there's never a good reason to hop the rail. It's amazing to me how dumb wrestling fans can be.

Well, here are my predictions for One Night Stand. Not sure if there's going to be an extra match, but for now i'll post what I think. (My predictions are bolded)

JBL vs. John Cena(First Blood): I can see JBL finding a cheap way to win, being that in a first blood there is no DQ. He always seems to do that, and if he does it again I'm going to have to shoot myself.

Batista vs. Shawn Michaels(Stretcher Match): I will never doubt Batista's strength, but I still think that Michaels has every chance of beating another main eventer. He is just too good, and I hope he wins as well.

Umaga vs. Jeff Hardy(Falls Count Anywhere): Umaga has been sucking dick lately, and I don't see him taking out a high flyer like Jeff Hardy, especially in a match like this.

Melina vs. Beth Phoenix(I Quit Match): Normally I don't make predictions on Diva matches, but this is the first extreme rules match with divas in history. If I had to guess, I would say that Melina will get beaten pretty bad. I'd fuck both of them though.

John Morrison vs. Big Show vs. Tommy Dreamer vs. Chavo Guerrero vs. CM Punk(Singapore Cane match): To be honest, I was never really much of a Big Show fan. He always was an arragent fatass that just dominated with no preferences. Him and Kane had a stare down on ECW, so it's pretty obvious as well.

HHH vs. Orton(Last Man Standing, WWE Championship): It's pretty hard to imagine Orton winning it right here. As much as I know Raw is unpredictable, it just can't happen. Orton beat HHH in a last man standing match at No Mercy last year when HHH went through 3 matches, as Orton went through 2. It was unfair, yet still a close match.

Undertaker vs. Edge(TLC match, World Heavyweight Championship): Before Cena, Edge was undefeated in TLC matches. But the Undertaker can't leave the WWE...he just can't. This is going to be a hell of a match, I guarentee it.

Well, those are my predictions. I hope the PPV doesn't suck, it looks really good just by looking at the matches.

At 5/28/08 10:27 PM, mothballs wrote: JBL vs. John Cena(First Blood):

It's possible JBL nails the cheap win here, and if they want to continue this at all, they need JBL to pick up the cheap win here. If they don't want to continue, then Cena wins and blows the issue off. I think it could go either way, too close to call...I think Cena needs to stay away from the title for awhile, so I'd probably give JBL the win here.

Batista vs. Shawn Michaels(Stretcher Match):

Michaels has the heart...Batista the strength. This should be a very strong match as Michaels is always great, Batista has been upping his game lately as well. House show lineups have him and Edge paired off, Michaels is still a floater...I'm gonna say Batista wins here after Jericho turns heel and incapacitates Michaels to end the match.

Umaga vs. Jeff Hardy(Falls Count Anywhere):

Umaga needs to leave RAW, Hardy is mr. popularity. I think Hardy goes over no question here.

Melina vs. Beth Phoenix(I Quit Match):

If you mean wrestling history, your on crack and sadly misinformed about the history of the business. Also, it's not even the first time in WWE history as I know Trish stratus worked at least one falls count anywhere match in her WWE tenure. I think Phoenix will most likely kill Melina here though as logically, who else is going to be going after Mickie and the Women's belt?

John Morrison vs. Big Show vs. Tommy Dreamer vs. Chavo Guerrero vs. CM Punk(Singapore Cane match):

Show wins, Punk probably jobs, because WWE is retarded. Whole thing will probably be a 5 minute Big Show squashes everybody situation.

HHH vs. Orton(Last Man Standing, WWE Championship):

I think Orton needs this win, especially if they want to keep this program a rollin. I'm not an Orton fan, but if WWE is serious about elevating him, then I think he needs a solid win or two over the game to make his reign matter. Also, somebody please set fire to the bling bling belt already, I know it probably pops the kids, but that shit looks stupid as hell.

Undertaker vs. Edge(TLC match, World Heavyweight Championship):

I don't see Taker leaving, Edge needs the belt more then he does at this point character wise and all, but I just don't know how you get out of this one unless heading into the draft Vince were to reinstate Taker should he lose this bout. Guess this is where Taker gets his revenge and pulls off the victory.

Well, those are my predictions. I hope the PPV doesn't suck, it looks really good just by looking at the matches.

On paper this looks like a decent card, and at a cheaper price tag, I'd check it out, but there's nothing new here and for 40 bucks, and the fact that it's the last show of the post-Mania crunch? No way, I think the buyrate blows, people wait for the DVD, and next year it's shit canned.

This is how it's going to happen, Big Show wins that match and goes on to face Kane, Now there are two possibilities, Kane beats Big Show and they feud for a while, or Kane loses to Big Show and goes back to Smackdown, to team with the Undertaker to take out The entire Guerrero family.

Show is definatly a favorite for that match, so if someone else were to win that would be a suprise.

The earliest extreme rules match, then dubbed a hardcore match, that featured the divas that I can remember had Sable, Luna and I think Jacqulin involved. It was right around the time the Hardcore Title was gaining popularity so it was somewhere in the Attitude era. Sable was the Womens champion at that point and was defending it in a hardcore match. Trish had a better encounter with Victoria a few years ago. However I think the match this sunday is the first I quit match to feature divas.

At 5/28/08 07:01 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I hope Neeley screwed this idiot up, there's never a good reason to hop the rail. It's amazing to me how dumb wrestling fans can be.

Agreed. And not for nothing, but if I'm going to mess with a wrestler, it ain't going to be with Bam Neely.

Also, this... According to PWinsider, this week's RAW scored a 2.9 rating, The last time RAW scored such a low rating was in 1997. And before people try to blame Memorial Day for the low rating, allow me to show you this.

May 28, 2007 - 3.2
The May 21st edition of Raw scored a 3.7, and the June 4th pulled in a 3.8, so the holiday was good for a .5 ratings drop last year.

May 29, 2006 - 3.8
Memorial Day 2006 actually saw the Raw rating rise up from a 3.7 on May 22nd. The week after Memorial Day saw Raw go up even higher, to a 4.0.

May 30, 2005 - 3.8
Another Memorial Day, another case of the Raw rating going up on the holiday, as it scored a 3.6 on May 23rd of this year. In fact, the Memorial Day rating was higher than the following week as well, which saw a 3.7 on June 6th.

May 31, 2004 - 3.2
The May 24, 2004 edition of Raw scored a 3.5, and the June 7th pulled in a 3.4, so there was a slight drop on the holiday this year.

May 26, 2003 - 3.7
Much like 2006 and 2005, the Raw rating went up on Memorial Day 2003, edging up slightly from a 3.6 for the May 19, 2003 edition. The rating would continue to climb the following week, with the June 2nd show pulling a 3.9 rating.

Those are the ratings for the last 5 Memorial Days (Again, thanks to PWinsider). Basically, there's only one reason for this rating... Crappy booking!

The first time undertaker used his now banned chokehold (gogoplata) Undertaker vs. Big daddy fatass

Like Buck and Dave said, unless the sweepstakes here is the hook to get people to watch while they change their booking process, this is a bad idea and a waste of friggin money.

Also, are there any Hogan fans left after all the disgusting crap that's coming out about him and his demon spawn who I wish was in gen pop?

At 5/29/08 02:38 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Also, are there any Hogan fans left after all the disgusting crap that's coming out about him and his demon spawn who I wish was in gen pop?

I've never been much of a Hogan fan, but after hearing what was said.. I flat-out hate the guy. I really want something bad to happen to him. Simply out, he's a piece of shit. The same thing applies to that little bitch Nick.

Those are the ratings for the last 5 Memorial Days (Again, thanks to PWinsider). Basically, there's only one reason for this rating... Crappy booking!

but, hbk vs jericho was the only good match this past monday.

Does anyone else find it weird that the ECW champion doesn't have a match at ONS? Why is it that teh champ of extreme is off the extreme PPV? Stuff like this just doesn't make sense.

As far as Hogan goes... I was never a fan of the guy. I always thought his work in the ring was lackluster at best, and his backstage politics was amung the things that killed WCW. He always put himself ahead of everything wether the fans wanted it or not. I don't wish harm to him and his family however. The car accident his son was in was tragic as innocent people got hurt. In short, I don't like Hogan, but I don't want him or his family hurt.

At 5/29/08 11:54 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Also, this... According to PWinsider, this week's RAW scored a 2.9 rating, The last time RAW scored such a low rating was in 1997.

I think this can only be good for the fans of wrestling. It's always been said that if you don't like a show, then don't watch it. Hopefully this will mean a change in the WWE, and hopefully it will mean a better wrestling show (which may happen after bribery fails as a tactic).
Or maybe Vince will never change, and he'll just rape every other brand in the draft and hope that boosts Raw's ratings. Which is a possibility given that SD! will change network soon.

At 5/28/08 07:01 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Just read this off PWinsider, some idiot hopped the rail and the SD! taping last night:

UPDATE ON SMACKDOWN FAN INCIDENT
by Mike Johnson @ 6:14 PM on 5/28/2008

Anthony Peter sent the following....I was at the Smackdown taping last night, and the fan did get to the wrestlers. He was in the section next to me in the lower tier getting pretty drunk. He hopped down and ran by the ramp right to the ring. I'm pretty sure he hit either Hawkins or Ryder in the back or the back of the head. Bam Neeley then hit the guy pretty hard before security got there.

Since I received the above from Anthony, I checked with additional sources who reconciled his sequence of events, so my earlier report that the fan didn't get to the wrestlers was incorrect. I apologize for the error.

I hope Neeley screwed this idiot up, there's never a good reason to hop the rail. It's amazing to me how dumb wrestling fans can be.

Not to me; at least 70% of the world today is made up of people that are that retarded. I also hope Neeley knocked his drunk ass out - you just DON'T do that.

I have the perfect headline for that: "Bam Neeley Bams Drunk Reeling" :P I'm sorry, but I had to; I don't know why, but I had to.

At 5/29/08 04:33 PM, pepeatumi wrote:

At 5/29/08 02:38 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:

Also, are there any Hogan fans left after all the disgusting crap that's coming out about him and his demon spawn who I wish was in gen pop?

I've never been much of a Hogan fan, but after hearing what was said.. I flat-out hate the guy. I really want something bad to happen to him. Simply out, he's a piece of shit. The same thing applies to that little bitch Nick.

Okay, I guessed I missed something; last time I checked, Ms. Hogan was the biggest problem - lying BOLDFACED into a camera about a video taping her saying how much she loved street racing....and now about the phone call recordings of her coddling her son, possibly out of guilt for her own stupidity.

Fuck.....what the hell? I had more to the post.....I must've accidentally copied over it.

Usually, TNA storylines aren't that predictable, but 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 says that (1) eventually someone 'from the audience' pulls an upset over Kong & gets the money-filled suitcase, and (2) Sonjay Dutt yells "I OBJECT!!!!!" during the Lethal / So-Cal wedding at Slammiversary. A little disappointing.

I didn't expect Christian to come to A.J.'s aid at the end, though - although it barely made a dent in the 'numbers game'. Seeing as A.J.'s been a bitch for everyone & their mother for the last 2 weeks in a row, I hope he beats Angle to within an inch of his life. :P

Ah, Kevin Nash's wit strikes again, introducing the 3 Stoogeholes to "Louie". I guess Louie doesn't play nice with others. :P

To Heartbreak, Vince will rape and pillage his own stuff and do whatever he can until the ratings and buyrates hit a point where he thinks action is needed. It happened when Attitude started, and it'll happen again. The question here is how low must it go? The giveaway is actually encouraging to me, not because I think it helps anything, but because I think once this tactic totally fails they'll have to start looking at their booking.

The last thing they will ever do is blame themselves, but they do understand the ratings are just terrible now and need to be addressed. But like I said, they will have to burn through every option until they finally say "ok, now let's look at creative...". I think we're closing in on that point, everything is a retread now, and if giving people money to watch fails, I think that will make them go back to letting the wrestlers have more input and while I don't think that'll make them start doing gangbusters tomorrow, I think it will make the customers they have happy, and get back some of the hardcores that will watch if they have a reason to. There are so many simple things they could do to fix things and get it at least to level 1 of rehabbing things, but they just don't.

But like I say, I think we're seeing some light at the end of the tunnel, if this stunt fails, and they have to spend actual money on a stunt that fails, then I think they'll have to start working to right the ship.

I just had a bad thought...... What if this whole "If Undertaker loses his match up he has to leave thing" is just a "Undertaker retirement" ploy?

Lets hope it's not a retirement thing for Taker. I figured he would go out at WM with a 20-0 streak. I think Taker has a few years left in him especially with the relaxed scheduel he has.

I'm waiting for the day Vince and Co. finally realize that what they do needs to change. Throwing money at the problem won't fix it.

At 5/30/08 10:58 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Lets hope it's not a retirement thing for Taker. I figured he would go out at WM with a 20-0 streak. I think Taker has a few years left in him especially with the relaxed scheduel he has.

That's exactly how I pictured it. 20-0 sounds so damn impressive. A fitting end to a legendary career.

At 5/30/08 08:43 AM, bigjuicy wrote: I just had a bad thought...... What if this whole "If Undertaker loses his match up he has to leave thing" is just a "Undertaker retirement" ploy?

No way, look at what they did for Flair, and for that company? Taker is in the same light or even bigger to them then Flair is. There's no way he retires on a B show, with 2 weeks of build unless he suffers a career ending injury. There's no way he retires here unless he's hurt seriously and nobody found out about it online. Which I don't believe for a second.

I enjoyed SD! overall tonight. They were all about ONS, putting it over all through the broadcast, and booking matches that put ONS competitors in. I also liked that Punk got the clean GTS win over Morrison, and they showed a unique way for Punk to get Morrison into position, and that Foley and Cole put that fact over. A good finisher is one you can apply at any time, from any position in the match up. They did a good job of that, and they continue to put over the fact that once Punk makes you Go To Sleep, you're out.

I think your predictions are spot on. The only one I think might be in the air is the Umaga/hardy match. They seem too evenly matched in terms of what they can do to hurt each other so to me thats a tougher match to predict. Who knows, they might give Umaga the win here.

Oh ya WWE club i'm in this sweet! hey who do you think is the hotest Diva in Raw, Smackdown, and ECW?

Source: Gerweck.net

Bryan Alvarez is reporting that Smackdown superstar Batista is scheduled to take a leave of absense from the company shortly. It is not believed to be a Wellness Policy related issue. The word is that he may be out until around Summerslam time.

What are your thoughts on this?

At 6/1/08 12:04 AM, LordKooler wrote: What are your thoughts on this?

Either WWE is going to need to stretch Taker/Edge, or draft somebody over to SD! to feud with the Dead Man post ONS. Batista is the logical next feud for Taker but there has been those rumblings of moving Umaga and that could be a very good, physical feud.