OH WHAT THE FUCK?!?

THE MIZ? REALLY? Why doesn't WWE just flat let someone else win the MITB? Its obvious that they're not listening to every single person in the arena that's chanting for CM Punk.

THEY JOBBED HIM TO THE MIZ!!!!

At 5/13/08 10:22 PM, pepeatumi wrote: OH WHAT THE FUCK?!?

THE MIZ? REALLY? Why doesn't WWE just flat let someone else win the MITB? Its obvious that they're not listening to every single person in the arena that's chanting for CM Punk.

THEY JOBBED HIM TO THE MIZ!!!!

Was gonna watch ECW just now. Fuck that. Punk jobbing to Miz :(

I missed ECW, but read the results. With all the matches they have had, Miz was bound to win at least one of them. And besides, if they made both he and Morrison look like they could never ever beat Punk, why would anyone care when they have a tag title match? Miz and Morrison have made big improvments so seeing them win is not so bad of a thing.

True that Punk isn't exactly being booked strong. Was their match at least any good?

What did you think of the rest of the show?

At 5/14/08 09:15 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: True that Punk isn't exactly being booked strong. Was their match at least any good?

What did you think of the rest of the show?

Much better than last week's. It was damn fine show, both Miz vs Punk and Kane vs Morrison were good matches, Kofi had a nice exchange with Shelton backstage which showed that Kingston is more than just the happy-go-lucky guy that can jump high. Estrada apparently signed himself to a contract and is now an actual member of the ECW roster.

There was also a 3 on 3 divas match which was better than expected... Mostly because Natalya Neidhart and/or Victoria were on offense for the most part.

Kane lost to Morrison, but only after getting hit with one of the title belts. Again, what annoyed me was that Punk lost totally clean AND then got beatdown to end the show aswell. The funny thing is that Punk was easily the most over guy on ECW (And according to reports the most over guy on both the SD and ECW tapings. But really, who cares about the fans?

At 5/13/08 10:22 PM, pepeatumi wrote: OH WHAT THE FUCK?!?

THE MIZ? REALLY? Why doesn't WWE just flat let someone else win the MITB? Its obvious that they're not listening to every single person in the arena that's chanting for CM Punk.

THEY JOBBED HIM TO THE MIZ!!!!

The Miz is an annoying, uncharismatic, unfunny piece of SHIT, and the fact that they had CM Punk job to him shows one again how fucking RETARDED the WWF has gotten. He ought to just change his name to "CM Fucked" because they keep raping the guys character like this.

Fuck the Miz, seriously. fuck him and his awful fake ass mohawk. GOOG GOD I hate that guy.

At 5/14/08 11:24 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Kane lost to Morrison, but only after getting hit with one of the title belts. Again, what annoyed me was that Punk lost totally clean AND then got beatdown to end the show aswell. The funny thing is that Punk was easily the most over guy on ECW (And according to reports the most over guy on both the SD and ECW tapings. But really, who cares about the fans?

That was my point too, and I said this to a fellow Punk fan today, this also should be building to Punk going back to the Anaconda Vice or something more, because at this point he has now lost twice in 4 days because a guy find a way out of GTS. So to my mind, he NEEDS to get the win Sunday, and I'd like to see the finish be that whoever he beats finds the out from the GTS, but Punk hooks the Vice or something so you can put over "wow, Punk is smart, he realized his pet move wasn't working so he switched it up". I don't understand the reasons why they hurt this guy, like I say, I've been impressed as hell with everything I've seen him do in ROH or FIP, they picked up easily one of the best guys in the business right now as an all around performer, and they just waste him. I'm not saying he needs to be world champion tomorrow, or even this year, maybe not even next year, but they should at least be establishing him as a top level mid-carder (I know that sounds weird, but what I mean is he should be on a plain like a Hardy, or an RVD, or a Jericho I think in terms of how he can and should be booked in always having a program, being carefully managed in his wins and losses, etc) but apparently he hasn't become "one of the boys" or whatever other nonsense they can concoct this week to justify the stupidity. Hopefully he's headed for a win though on Sunday, I could get into a situation where he and Kane are working as tag champions, and just the idea of Punk as a champion of any kind makes me happy.

Maybe Punk will turn on Kane at the PPV for a suprise heel turn. He lets Miz and Morrison beat on Kane for most of their match, then he cashes in his contract and wins the ECW title in an "Edge-like" move. I'm not sure how the fans will take to a heel Punk, but its a possibility. Personally I think he has a better chance as a face at this point.

I missed ECW, but I heard Kane lost his tag match agaisnt that faggot gay miz? As long as it was not Kane who got pinned things will be easier...... Why is it that the WWE always makes the person who we want to loose, win? I mean look a few months back with the whole Big Show, Mayweather thing!

At 5/15/08 01:17 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Maybe Punk will turn on Kane at the PPV for a suprise heel turn. He lets Miz and Morrison beat on Kane for most of their match, then he cashes in his contract and wins the ECW title in an "Edge-like" move. I'm not sure how the fans will take to a heel Punk, but its a possibility. Personally I think he has a better chance as a face at this point.

The most worrying thing is how feasible that sounds. That seems to go best with how they're pushing Punk right now.
I'd like a heel Punk, but cashing in MITB for the ECW belt? Would anyone buy that people want that belt?

It's time for my when-I-can-get-one-in post. :P About to catch TNA at my neighbor's - luckily he now has a TV in the comp room! ^_^ (Well, it's been there for a little while.)

I see I missed some interesting things on TNA Sacrifice. My neighbor doesn't particularly like TNA, so PPV's are a bit out of the question..... But, apparently, my boy Kaz won the first-ever Terrordome match. (he's from the OC, and I'm from the OC, so I'm biased towards him by default. :P)

At 5/13/08 10:56 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: While I was glad to see Jeff again, I am in agreement that Umaga should not have been the guy doing the job. Jeff has more than likely learned his lesson this time (fingers crossed) and even though he messed up before he is still hugely over. WWE knows this, so they could have chosen anyone to lose to Jeff, but Umaga was the unlucky one.

Thank god Jeff's back; I thought he'd be dropped again for a while. >_< MAYBE he won't do this again........AGAIN. Someone should play that part of the Hardy Boys' DVD where he mentions the 'twisted spiral of drugs' (or whatever he said) over for him a few million times.

Other than that Raw was ok. Cade and Murdock split, Santino and Carlito lost due to Santino being an idiot, and HBK kicks Jericho's lights out. I'm not sure why they are going this route, why are they making Jericho look stupid? It makes me want Jericho to put Shawn in the Walls for a long time.

My neighbor told me about Jericho getting the boot; :P it's not like I hadn't guessed that would happen beforehand, though. It was inevitable.

Cade & Murdoch, I'm not surprised about, either; however, Murdoch doesn't do too well on his own, which could mean bad things for his future if he doesn't manage to pull something out of his ass.......or stop wrestling & take up a singing career. :P

At 5/13/08 10:22 PM, pepeatumi wrote: OH WHAT THE FUCK?!?

THE MIZ? REALLY? Why doesn't WWE just flat let someone else win the MITB? Its obvious that they're not listening to every single person in the arena that's chanting for CM Punk.

THEY JOBBED HIM TO THE MIZ!!!!

THE FUCK YOU SAY!? WHAT THE FUCKING SHIT IS THAT!? STUPID FUCKING CREATIVE, ONCE AGAIN SHOWING THAT THEY HATE ECW ORIGINALS!

At 5/14/08 11:24 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Estrada apparently signed himself to a contract and is now an actual member of the ECW roster.

Hah......he can actually wrestle?

There was also a 3 on 3 divas match which was better than expected... Mostly because Natalya Neidhart and/or Victoria were on offense for the most part.

Considering that Natalya & Victoria are 2 out of 3 of the only Divas that can actually wrestle like wrestlers (the 3rd being Beth Phoenix), that's not a surprise.

Sorry to double-post, but the look on Sonjay Dutt's face just now was fucking priceless. :P

Would people buy that the ECW belt is wanted? Sure in the sense of it being a title belt and the inherent meaning that is attached. Whoever has it is better than others. Is the ECW belt as meaningfull as the other world titles? No. But with some of the fueds that have been fought over it, it isn't worthless. Though that time Vince held it sure made it hard to believe.

At 5/15/08 09:39 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Would people buy that the ECW belt is wanted? Sure in the sense of it being a title belt and the inherent meaning that is attached. Whoever has it is better than others. Is the ECW belt as meaningfull as the other world titles? No. But with some of the fueds that have been fought over it, it isn't worthless. Though that time Vince held it sure made it hard to believe.

Kane worked in a tournament for the World Title this week.

THE ECW CHAMPION TRIED TO WIN THE WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE ON SD!! They didn't say "oh, he's trying to be a double champion" or "wow, that's how prestigious the World Title is, OTHER world champions want it", it just came off like Matt Hardy trying to win it, it's a mid-carder wanting to better his title lot. If Punk were to cash in for that belt, he'd look like an idiot, unless the idea is for him to dominate, beat everyone on ECW, and become like Bobby Lashley was when he was champ, somebody who is the ECW champ, but is portrayed as being completely above anybody else on that brand.

Boy was it great seeing my all-time favorite Jeff Hardy make his return on Raw. I'm looking forward to a Chris Jericho and Jeff Hardy rivalry, but for now I guess he'll be missing JD.

For Smackdown tonight I'm also hoping to see Matt Hardy pull off another win, I'm glad he's making his way up top now. But the fact that we have to see another Edge vs. Undertaker match disappoints me, this is getting a little old.

At 5/16/08 12:15 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: If Punk were to cash in for that belt, he'd look like an idiot, unless the idea is for him to dominate, beat everyone on ECW, and become like Bobby Lashley was when he was champ, somebody who is the ECW champ, but is portrayed as being completely above anybody else on that brand.

And to be honest, who actually sees that happening? Even if they did start to push Punk and have him dominate the entire brand, that would be a horrible idea, given the amount of young talent there is on ECW.
It may be the C-brand, but the future of the WWE could have a solid basis in some of those guys, like Kingston, Benjamin, Burke, etc.
I like it the way it is now: They have a veteran on top, and he can work with the young guys to give them credibility. But Punk needs to be elsewhere.

So...

Anyone else feel Vickie Guerrero's worn out her welcome on our TVs every Friday?

I really hope this Edge-Taker BS will be done and overwith after the next PPV...

At 5/16/08 06:47 PM, l0vemetal wrote: So...

Anyone else feel Vickie Guerrero's worn out her welcome on our TVs every Friday?

Oh God yes. Her voice is like listening to small animals being tortured. She's just not that great an on screen character. While I can understand and applaude WWE for giving her a job in order for her to provide for her family in the wake of her husbands death, I don't think she is a good choice for an on screen character. Though she isn't the worst we've seen, that (dis)honor goes to Steph McMahon, who I never want to see on TV ever again. Honestly I liked the balance that we had when Teddy was GM. A face manager on SD to even out the heel one on Raw and ECW.

Now don't take this the wrong way. Yeah I just dissed the only two female GM's WWE has ever had, but I have zero problem with a woman in that role. Know who I'd like to see in that position that is not only a face, but people absolutly love? Trish Stratus. Wouldn't that be awesome?! Or even Molly Holly. Both have better skills on the mic, and are way more comfortable as on screen characters. As long as we keep Chyna away for good all will be fine. Hell I'd keep Vickie over her(it).

As far as the Taker/Edge fued... I like it man. Both guys are awesome in the ring and I just enjoy the work they have done. I'll take a dumb storyline if it leads to a quality match.

At 5/16/08 03:43 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: But Punk needs to be elsewhere.

Agreed one hundred percent, Punk has done everything you can do on that show, and it'd be a good idea to send him to SD! at this point, especially as it prepares to move to a network with less penetration, it can use all the guys fans love watching it can get, plus, Punk is ready for the bigger shows at this point. I hated the way Lashley was booked personally, and I've hated a lot of ECW's booking of late because it's just seemed to be designed to say that only one storyline (the title) is important, and even that top storyline is only really good enough to jerk the curtain at PPV. If it's a minor league, fine, but if it is, then when a guy is ready for the majors, you need to call him up so that everyone understands what the show is for, and how it should be viewed.

SD wasn't bad. I think my favorite match of the night was the tag match between Big Show/Finley vs. MVP/Henry. Second would have to go to Matt Hardy and Benjamin. That gets second due to it ending just as it really started to get going. If they had a longer time to wrestle it would have been much better. I tend to ignore the womens bouts since other than being occasional eye candy these fights have no eventual meaning. There is no title on this brand for them to fight over, just braging rights. And while I can get behind good womens wrestling bouts, we rarely get to see that.
Punk and Palumbo had an ok match. For anything with Palumbo in it's that probably the best we can hope for.

Vickie got out of there unscathed, and even worse, Teddy is out of the picture. :(

You know whats funny? I didn't even realize that this Sunday is the PPV. It was only after Cole and Foley started to say it over and over did it hit me. I now more than ever feel like there are just too many of these damn things. Not enough build time for angles and matches. If they take a few out they would be in much better shape. more time to work on storylines and develope how they want things to go in a more efficient way.

And hey Outlaw, we're only a few weeks away from ONS! Then NOC!! Then GAB!!!

Seriously WWE, cancel ONS, it has no meaning anymore, move Night Of Champions into the slot you'd use for that, keep GAB over in July, and then do Summerslam. WWE needs to cut down on PPVs and stop loading things up like this. Now that everything is tri-branded, there's no reason to have this many shows other then just straight greed, and with the economy the way it is, they just are gonna keep losing more and more buys. Plus, with so little time to build to anything, you wind up with the same matches and feuds on each and every show because there's no time to convincingly build something new.

With the PPV tomorrow, what are some of the predictions?

I think Edge has a good chance of getting the title back. My prediction there is that he locks on that chock hold which ends the match in a DQ in Edge's favor.

As for the cage match. HHH isn't going to lose the title soon so there is my choice.

At 5/18/08 12:09 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: With the PPV tomorrow, what are some of the predictions?

Edge needs to win somehow, maybe DQ, or the angle was pretty damn dumb. Push it at least another show, maybe two, get it to summerslam maybe, I'm hard pressed to think of another heel that could be used here.

H and Orton...hmmm, running to the cage this quick...maybe H wins by escape, but Orton gets to somehow get the rematch...I'm not a fan of Orton, but like a lot of people have said, if they want him to be a top guy, he needs to get some real solid wins over The Game to try and establish him. If the boy fails, he fails, but you gotta go as far as you can and see if it's doable. That's my problem with almost everything they do lately, they just beat guys down forever, and then try to say "he's a top guy now because we say so" or they start pushing a guy, and then stop and don't protect him. Stupid stupid stuff, they need to start thinking more long term and at all levels of the card.

At 5/18/08 06:36 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: The fact alone that I nearly forgot to do this surely says that this PPV wasn't hyped enough. But anywho, it's time for The D-Lucks Judgment Day Predictions!!! Normal drill: winners in bold, match types in italics.

1. Women's Champion Mickie James vs. Beth Phoenix vs. Melina (Triple Threat Match)

Frankly, how can Mickie lose after holding the title for about 3 weeks? To be honest, I see Melina teaming up with Mickie to have revenge on Beth for how she's been treated by her recently, and then Mickie takes out Melina for the pin. With melina doing the job, Beth is kept strong for future matches with Mickie and although Melina has talent, she is the most likely one of the three to do the job tonight.
Mickie to retain.

I concur this one. Mickie James was always facing Beth Phoenix week after week and she kept losing opportunities on Phoenix's title. When she won the Women's championship on the 3-hour special of RAW. I think she is more stronger and better.

2. Big Show vs. Mark Henry

Yes, apparently this match is taking place tonight. Which really gives the impression that they care at all about promoting the PPV. If it is taking place, then I don't see Big Show losing to someone who's done nothing but trash talk to him the last couple of weeks. If the tag match on SD! was any indication at all, Show should have no problem taking out Henry tonight. Although it would make Henry appear to be on the de-push side of the pendulum by losing to Show in their first singles match since the fued started, I don't think enough people are into this match or even know its occurance to really care. Show to win.

The World's Strongest Man vs. The Biggest Athlete in Sports Entertainment. Obviously, I prefer Show to win this one. No doubt about it. Although, specifically, strongest is the best compared to the biggest but the disadvantages doesn't matter.

3. JBL vs. John Cena

Tough one this. On one hand, Cena hasn't fared well on the last two PPVs (shock horror) and seems about due for a win. On the other hand, that win would end this fued pretty quickly and JBL is supposedly being made to look strong recently, despite tapping out to Cena at Backlash. So with the whole swings and roundabouts system being taken into consideration, I feel Cena will win tonight, although by JBL getting himself DQ'd through chairs and whatnot. That way both men are kept looking strong, and Cena can claim he never really lost anything (and I suppose JBL can claim the same seeing as he was left standing at the end of the match).
So.... yeah, basically Cena to win via JBL getting DQ'd.

JBL, is should I say, one of the dirtiest wrestlers in the world of sports entertainment but Nature Boy Ric Flair is the numero uno on that category, he's indeed a legend. Anyway, on that fight, I should give Cena a credit on this because although he has a mismatch on this, I know he can beat Bradshaw by hitting the FU and applying STFU on that damn rich man.

4. WWE Tag Team Champions The Miz and John Morrison vs. ECW Champion Kane and CM Punk

Even though the events on Tuesday's ECW point to the contrary, Miz and Morrison simply MUST win tonight for the sake of the belts. With Miz and Morrison as champs, the SD tag belts have sort of began to mean something again, with them being put on the line more often than not and with planty of legitimate tag teams as challengers, such as Jesse and Festus.

Punk and Kane as tag champs will ruin the belts' credibility again.

They really don't need them and this match is really unnecessary, unless it's a platform for Punk turning on Kane and announcing his intentions for his title, leading to Miz and Morrison getting the win. If Punk and Kane win, then the belts will be nothing but a prop once more, and teams such as Jesse & Festus and Moore & Yang will essentially become redundant.
So, for sake of the belts, Miz and Morrison to retain tonight.

The dynasty of Morrison and The Miz will be over this Sunday. That's it. 100% sure on this one. But anything can happen in this match, I dunno if it will be an upset or a guarantee win for the MITB and the Big Red Machine.

5. Intercontinental Champion Chris Jericho vs. Shawn Michaels

Well, Jericho's been made to look an absolute fool over the last couple of weeks. Surely it only makes sense that he gets some measure of revenge tonight for it. And of course with Batista cutting a promo on SD! pretty much guaranteeing that he'll be looking for HBK tonight, HBk has an even smaller chance of winning and if he does, it'll make both Jericho and Batista look pretty weak and stupid.
Really, it's a question of when Big Dave shows up; before, during or after the match. I'm guessing before or during, most likely before, so that HBK suddenly really does have to fight on an injury, and Jericho can relish on it.
To be honest, I see Jericho getting the win tonight regardless, but it'll be interesting to see how this one pans out.

I think Shawn gonna win this one. Well, tensions have been building between Shawn and Y2J over the past few weeks. Well, Y2J kept telling to Shawn's face that he didn't injure his knee at backlash wherein he it the Sweet Chin Music on Batista to win that match.

6. Edge vs. The Undertaker (for the vacant World Heavyweight Championship)

I see Taker winning back the belt tonight, mainly because we perhaps saw the beginning of the break-up of La Familia on SD! Friday night, with Chavo and Bam walking out. Although it would make sense in some respects to have Edge win the belt tonight so this fued can continue for a bit longer and perhaps culminate in a gimmick match at another PPV, I don't know if I see it happening. So I'm going with the safe bet that Taker wins back his belt tonight.

Taker will regain his title that he never lost. Stupid Vickie Guererro, she stole and vacate the title for no reason. Anyway, the Undertaker had an opportunity for the title and this past two weeks on SD!, she made a Championship Chase for the No. 1 Contender for the World Heavyweight Championship on Judgement Day. Well, Batista won that match then Edge came and won that match. Stupid Vickie.

7. WWE Champion Triple H vs. Randy Orton (Steel Cage Match)

Blah. Highly unlikely that Orton wins tonight. Surely this will be the last or penultimate chance Randy gets at the title seeing as it's a cage match, and I'm sure HHH is in for a healthy run with the title before dropping it. Trips could do with a fresh challenger anyway, and it looks like tonight's where he puts Orton out of the picture. Yeah, Orton will be de-pushed slightly, but never mind. From a logistical standpoint it makes sense for H to win.
So that said, HHH to retain the title tonight.

I seconded on your opinion. HHH is back on the top and he is the King of Kings and he's back on his throne. Well, Orton wants to take his title from a man who took it from him. This is a must-see match to watch.

I'd really like Jericho to win tonight. After being made to look like a fool he really needs the win. I think their match will be a potential show stealer since both guys are awesome in the ring, and their past work together is outstanding.

Was Big Show vs. Henry made official? Its not listed on wwe.com so it might not be on the show.

At 5/18/08 11:13 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Pwinsider claims the match is taking place as wwe.com lists it as taking place on the Smackdown results page, or some similar page on the site.

But now they removed it, except for the Power 25 listings, there's also talk of MVP vs. Jeff Hardy!

Seriously, they need to stop doing this kind of shit, you need to announce the card totally before a show and promote it. Last minute additions are stupid as hell

At 5/18/08 06:16 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: But now they removed it, except for the Power 25 listings, there's also talk of MVP vs. Jeff Hardy!

Seriously, they need to stop doing this kind of shit, you need to announce the card totally before a show and promote it. Last minute additions are stupid as hell

What are you on about? That tactic is totally successful, just look at the last PPV they did that with.

At 5/18/08 06:39 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: What are you on about? That tactic is totally successful, just look at the last PPV they did that with.

Oh, of course, how could I have forgotten about such a modern classic and it's fantastically high buyrate! I mean, that's totally why they never did it again obviously, no way they could draw so high a number again...yep, no way they could ever do a number that high again for a show like that.

At 5/18/08 07:16 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Oh, of course, how could I have forgotten about such a modern classic and it's fantastically high buyrate! I mean, that's totally why they never did it again obviously, no way they could draw so high a number again...yep, no way they could ever do a number that high again for a show like that.

Why else would they have cancelled it? They obviously wanted to retire it while it was still a fresh classic.
I guess the consolation is that Henry/Show would never be a huge draw, so they aren't going to lose too big numbers by not advertising it. But I don't see why they'd want to put MVP/Jeff Hardy on, when it is a potential money making match down the line. Not only does it not add to the buyrate for the show, but it could detract from future PPV buys if they ever decide to put those two together again.

So... who's posting the live results as they happen? ;-)

At 5/18/08 07:57 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I guess the consolation is that Henry/Show would never be a huge draw, so they aren't going to lose too big numbers by not advertising it. But I don't see why they'd want to put MVP/Jeff Hardy on, when it is a potential money making match down the line. Not only does it not add to the buyrate for the show, but it could detract from future PPV buys if they ever decide to put those two together again.

I wonder if the idea isn't just to have Jeff get beat here, MVP just really really fuck him up, and that helps the issue with Matt, or could even lead into another Hardy Boyz reunion with MVP finding a partner.