Is this fatal four way going to be under elimination rules or first pin wins rules? Lots can happen with four people involved, I just hope JBL isn't the winner. I'm no Cena fan, but I'd prefer him over JBL.

It has been made official that we are going to see HBK vs. Batista at Backlash. Should be a fairly good match.

At 4/10/08 08:23 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I just hope JBL isn't the winner.

I doubt it. He's really just in there to make up the numbers. Stop us from seeing a repeat of the Wrestlemania RAW main event and to add another heel into the mix.

I had a pretty good idea earlier.

After Backlash Edge will be looking for another way to get a title shot, so he challenges CM Punk for the MITB brief case. They can feud over it with Punk coming out on top. Since Punk has already lossed to Edge a few times, it will give him a push in the right direction. Personally I don't think it will hurt Edge too much either.

At 4/9/08 07:22 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Oh no.

OH DEAR GOD NO.

I smell Trump/Rosie II on the horizon.

Onama is God.
Why hasnot Hillary Clinton quit? She has no hope.

At 4/10/08 05:07 PM, boloneyman wrote: After Backlash Edge will be looking for another way to get a title shot, so he challenges CM Punk for the MITB brief case. They can feud over it with Punk coming out on top. Since Punk has already lossed to Edge a few times, it will give him a push in the right direction. Personally I don't think it will hurt Edge too much either.

Or they can make Punk challege Edge/Batista (heel) later this year for the WHC.
The WWE has made it clear that if anyone is going to challenge Punk for the breiefcase, it is going to be Y2J.

At 4/10/08 05:16 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: It would hurt Edge a ton, seeing as hes pinned Punk clean I think twice in the past months and Punks still just barely beating Miz. Besides, why would he challenge for a shot at the title when he could just go straight for the title to begin with? I mean, hes got the GM in his pocket so he can get a shot anytime he wants really.

I have to agree. Punk is a good talent, but look at how he's been booked. He is NOT A MAIN EVENTER!!!! It's as simple as that, WWE has abused the hell out of this guy and a win over somebody like Edge tomorrow isn't gonna save him because even if it doesn't hurt Edge, do you really believe it'll help Punk or make him seem worthy? WWE needs to start really getting behind him for a long, sustained push, not trying to do some quick win over a headliner to build him. I just don't see that being the answer here.

ive been hering shawn michaels is getting a wwe title run by summer as one last ride before retirement

At 4/10/08 07:09 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I have to agree. Punk is a good talent, but look at how he's been booked. He is NOT A MAIN EVENTER!!!! It's as simple as that, WWE has abused the hell out of this guy and a win over somebody like Edge tomorrow isn't gonna save him because even if it doesn't hurt Edge, do you really believe it'll help Punk or make him seem worthy? WWE needs to start really getting behind him for a long, sustained push, not trying to do some quick win over a headliner to build him. I just don't see that being the answer here.

The thing is, who is there for Punk to feud with to build himself? It wouldn't be believable for him to beat Jericho. Neither Umaga. And there's few other people on Raw in the right position.
On ECW, I guess you could have him feud with Benjamin, but that would hurt the push that he's been getting. After all, there ain't no stopping him nooooooooooooow.
Maybe he could go against Chuck Palumbo on SD!

At 4/10/08 10:11 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Maybe he could go against Chuck Palumbo on SD!

Sure, SD! is probably the best place for him because there's enough decent mid-carders for him to fight and beat and it'd be believable. People are behind him, but he still needs to show he's more then just the best guy on ECW, which is kind of like being the tallest midget, or the smartest retard at this point. Being MITB winner should absolutely make Punk worth more then your standard mid-carder, but that build is no good if he isn't getting wins. So yeah, pair him with Umaga, or Mark Henry, or some bigger guy or something...preferably some bigger guy that will help with match quality and stuff, and let Punk get some wins, that way he can be built into a point where he can credibly fight and beat a Jericho, or a world champion. There's no reason for WWE to not be using the briefcase to elevate him, otherwise, why the hell give it to him.

Thing is, while Punk and Miz had a great match on Tuesday, they have had matches before and Punk has won before. Punk has beaten pretty much everybody on ECW, so it's time he moved on and went to another brand. I agree that SD! is the best place to send him so that he can not only be built up, but be seen more as SD! is watched far more that ECW. That exposure can really help when it is time to cash that contract in.

At 4/11/08 06:12 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: I think whats best for Punk is SD! as well. He could work against Palumbo, Kennedy, or Khali, then move up to MVP or Umaga. I DO believe that working against Trips or Orton would be a quick fix, but it'd be better to build him up like they did with Jeff.

I forgot about Kennedy. That would definately be a believable feud to start off with.
Kennedy is only a mid-carder, and the fact he got screwed out of his MITB is a good basis for the feud. After that you can move Punk over to SD!, say in the draft lottery, and give him a few good feuds with the mid-carders there.

At 4/11/08 06:12 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: I think whats best for Punk is SD! as well. He could work against Palumbo, Kennedy, or Khali, then move up to MVP or Umaga. I DO believe that working against Trips or Orton would be a quick fix, but it'd be better to build him up like they did with Jeff.

He'd have to be booked very strong, and the H won't do that with him. Orton wouldn't give him much momentum unless he beats him because people don't like Orton, and that's from a "god take the belt off this undeserving prick" standpoint, not a "I really hate this guy and want him to get beat" standpoint. Basically, he wants Edge-heat, but he's got X-Pac-heat

SD! was good last night. Seeing Big Show deck Khali was awesome!

Miz and Morrison put on another good match, as did Matt Hardy. I loved how MVP wouldn't let Coach talk. Finally, the wrestlers "hate" someone more than Cole. lol They really were down on Coach this week to, as even Cole would ridicule the guy. When Cole is making fun of you, something needs to change.

I was a bit confused by the main event since you had face vs. face, but the match itself was definatly watchable.

Yeah... That Russian guy sucks.

At 4/12/08 09:41 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I was a bit confused by the main event since you had face vs. face, but the match itself was definatly watchable.

I think that they did their best to protect Fetsus by not having him tap out considering that Edge had an off week.

Yeah... That Russian guy sucks.

I said it in his debut. He is making Masters look good. Hey, at least Masters had a good entrance.

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At 4/12/08 05:20 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: "I've got an idea of what we're gonna do with you...we're going to send you out there with no music, no lights, no explanation, and a lot of anger. No worries, you'll get over huge!"

obviously, he didn't complain.

Why would he complain? He loves DUBBLE DUBBLE E.

At 4/12/08 05:20 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: "I've got an idea of what we're gonna do with you...we're going to send you out there with no music, no lights, no explanation, and a lot of anger. No worries, you'll get over huge!"

obviously, he didn't complain.

I hope that he jobs to Taker ASAP in an 1-minute squash which should put his pathetic push to a pathetic end.

At 4/12/08 06:14 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Man, you best stop picking on my man Orton brudda. Hes a good heel, despite what you and your buddy Dave Scherer think. No, hes not Edge, but its not like he could be with Trips, Cena, Michaels, and Jericho running the show over there. RAW is the land of dominant bayfaces. For Orton to thrive in that environment, I'd say he's doing pretty good for himself.

It isn't terribly hard to do when management seems to love you also, just ask JBL about that too...

Plus, ratings aren't great under Orton. Not that I'm necessarily blaming it all on him, a bad product is a bad product no matter who's on top, but SD! ratings are consistent, even with a heel champ on top, RAW fluctuates, so I think while you can't pin declines and what not squarely on Orton, you can at least say that the guy is not bringing any new interest in, or helping to really maintain what interest is there.

Not by themselves, which may be why WWE is clustering all the main eventers in one match and storyline. What will really draw is better fueds and matches, which is something the Raw brand has been having problems with lately.

One of Raw's ig problems is that the undercard is severly lacking. Sure there are some bright spots here and there but on the whole it isn't very good. SD! at least has a stronger undercard going for it.

At 4/13/08 10:02 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Not by themselves, which may be why WWE is clustering all the main eventers in one match and storyline. What will really draw is better fueds and matches, which is something the Raw brand has been having problems with lately.

One of Raw's ig problems is that the undercard is severly lacking. Sure there are some bright spots here and there but on the whole it isn't very good. SD! at least has a stronger undercard going for it.

The most worrying thing is that most of the Raw undercard who are severely lacking are people who came from SD!, and did look really promising on Smackdown. You have Carlito, Kennedy, JBL, Londrick, etc.
Smackdown is a consistently better show than Raw, which probably explains why the undercard on SD! does look good.
Maybe Raw should poach some of the Smackdown creative in the next draft, rather than wrestlers.

At 4/13/08 12:55 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: But who could? You think Cena or Trips regaining the belt is going to bring viewers in? Jeff had a shot, but he screwed himself over and the ratings didnt exactly jump when he was suddenly in the hunt. Jericho? Kennedy? Umaga? Santino "Hey, I've got a shirt now" Marella? I really don't see any one man being able to bring up the ratings.

Let's see...Orton won the WWE title in October, 2007. With that being said, it has been six months since he had the title. The reason why people hate Cena is because he is extremly boring in the ring as he wins every match with the same set of moves and talks like a little kid. People are also tired of him "beating the odds" and looking invincible in the process. Personally, I think that a long reign (5+ months) means tough task for every major champion. How well can they fare as the fans are getting tired and bored because their reigns seems to be endless. If the champion can be a little bit entertaining in mic, the rating will decline in slower pace. I have been watching wrestling for many years, and it is very rare that the rating keeps on a high level in a long reign regardless who the champion is. Also, RAW is facing the problem of lacking of true WWE championship contenders. Now that you have HBK and Batista feuding. Jeff should have been in the mixture, but he self destructed. Umaga has been destroyed as a character because he has jobbed to every single top star clean ever since losing to Cena. Y2J is now the IC champion and will need to defend his title against Carlito or Kennedy.So now you have Cena and HHH in the ME scene along with Orton. At this point, WWE has no choice but throwing JBL (who has done nothing to establish himself as a major threat) into the ME level because nobody wants to see Orton vs Cena vs HHH 10 times in a row. Personally, the self destruct of Jeff Hardy hurts the company more than anything else. With him not of the equation for a long time, and combine the fact that Punk was not booked strong before winning the MITB ladder match. WWE is forced to have the same group of guys in every ME, that is another reason why the rating went downhill.

At 4/13/08 01:07 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote:

At 4/13/08 10:51 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: Maybe Raw should poach some of the Smackdown creative in the next draft, rather than wrestlers.

Screw you, you leave our writers alone >:^} ( Live with your Bunnymania and Snitsky.

Believe me, I can live without Orton as my champion and JBL as his challenger. Normally I don't get to watch Raw anyway, being at Uni in the week.
I'm grateful that Smackdown is consistently good, being the one I can watch. Here's hoping that Kozlov gets over quickly so he can be drafted away.

I think WWE at this point should at least try an Orton/H feud for a little while while they try and build somebody like Punk. Orton isn't as strong a heel as he could be. Look at somebody like Edge, there's no doubt in your mind he's the top heel of his brand and nobody else on that show can touch his performances, Orton really isn't, plus, I think he has never quite shook off the mid-carder stink he had on him from just before he became champ. The guy just doesn't do it for me, but an inept creative crew damn sure don't help either.

Orton has his faults, but he is far from the worst champion we've ever had. I think one of the problems with his title run now is in the way he has been booked. He's been given the role of the heel that just barely keeps the title each time he defends it. His last few title wins were with some other force helping along, like JBL attacking Jericho, HHH giving the pedigree to Cena, and so on. If he had been booked a bit more dominant I think it would be a bit different.

I guess WWE is making either Orton or Regal a tweeneer since they are having a match tonight. Course it's taking place in the UK so Regal is the hometown favorite.

You know... The fact that one has made one post mentioning that SAMOA JOE FINALLY WON THE TNA TITLE, should let you know just how badly TNA screwed things up with him.

from pwinsider.com:

Sources have informed me that the word going around backstage at Raw in London today is that next week's Raw, which is a three-hour event, will be built around a one-night "King Of The Ring" tournament. From what I've been told, the belief is that the whole tournament will be held over the course of the show next week, with all tournament matches being held that night. I have not gotten this confirmed, but I believe it will be an eight-man tournament.

Man.. I really hope this is true

At 4/14/08 03:19 PM, pepeatumi wrote: from pwinsider.com:

Sources have informed me that the word going around backstage at Raw in London today is that next week's Raw, which is a three-hour event, will be built around a one-night "King Of The Ring" tournament. From what I've been told, the belief is that the whole tournament will be held over the course of the show next week, with all tournament matches being held that night. I have not gotten this confirmed, but I believe it will be an eight-man tournament.

Man.. I really hope this is true

Interesting if true. I do miss King of the Ring. My question is what would it be for? Maybe a title shot down the road?

At 4/14/08 01:09 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: I think WWE at this point should at least try an Orton/H feud for a little while while they try and build somebody like Punk. Orton isn't as strong a heel as he could be.

Edge has the edge on the mic. But hey, it is pretty rare for a heel to go over top faces cleanly in nowdays. So far, Orton has gone over Jeff, HHH and Cena cleanly which is as strong as a heel can be booked.

At 4/14/08 11:37 AM, pepeatumi wrote: You know... The fact that one has made one post mentioning that SAMOA JOE FINALLY WON THE TNA TITLE, should let you know just how badly TNA screwed things up with him.

I don't tend to follow TNA, it's inane.

At 4/14/08 07:57 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Edge has the edge on the mic. But hey, it is pretty rare for a heel to go over top faces cleanly in nowdays. So far, Orton has gone over Jeff, HHH and Cena cleanly which is as strong as a heel can be booked.

He went over H after being beaten by H earlier in the night, and then beating him after he'd been brutalized by Umanga in a second match. He beat Cena at Mania off of H's pedigree, stealing the pin as it were.

I'm excited to see the King of The Ring again, I always loved that concept, and if done properly it could really be a great way to elevate somebody. I think it might not even be a bad idea to maybe go back to the idea WWE was doing in the 80's where the King of The Ring was like a title that one could win. I know, I know, there's already a dirth of belts out there that don't matter, but this could be a great thing that could cross brands and really help make guys. Or we could just go back to the annual concept of one a year and it puts somebody over. Either way, I'm glad as hell WWE is bringing this one back, as it's a great thing they unnecessarily mothballed.

I'm happy for Joe pep, I am, the man has worked hard and put up with a lot of shit. He earned this, but I mean, can anyone but the most hardcore Samoa Joe fans stomach that product long enough to watch him work? Not to mention, as you and everyone else has pointed out, it's so long overdue it's criminal. Joe is the guy you build the company around...so of course TNA will pull a WCW and let him beat Steiner, then it'll be right back to a match with Angle where Angle beats him. Prove me wrong TNA, I'm begging you to.

ECW Founder Tod Gordon has announced his retirement from the business. It's really a shame how Tod doesn't get the credit he should for what he did in ECW, he was a great performer there, a good businessman, and he always gave the fans a good show when they came out. Paul may have been the creative genius, but Tod was definitely much more then just a "money mark". Good luck to Tod and I hope things work out for him.