At 2/9/08 04:58 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: The key problem is that Vince constantly splits talented team up or bury them when they were poised to have a great run. Just look at MNM.

I'd say Johnny Nitro was extremely lucky that he got split from Mercury when he did. Nitro could have easily got lost in the shuffle when Mercury got released, whereas he has achieved moderate success as it is.

Well, it looks like everyones pulling for Jeff, according to WWE's current poll.

At 2/9/08 06:42 PM, sixonenine wrote: Well, it looks like everyones pulling for Jeff, according to WWE's current poll.

I think the WWE uses poll results to tweak results...I never vote in there.

At 2/9/08 06:42 PM, sixonenine wrote: Well, it looks like everyones pulling for Jeff, according to WWE's current poll.

Has Vince ever listened to the fans? No! Jeff can get 99.99% votes, it will not change the fact that HHH is going to win the EC.

At 2/9/08 08:57 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Has Vince ever listened to the fans? No! Jeff can get 99.99% votes, it will not change the fact that HHH is going to win the EC.

I think that Trips will win the EC. Jeff should win MITB. At least MITB guarantees a title win down the road.

At 2/9/08 07:06 AM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Unless they decide to go the obvious route of Dreamer and Delany, but I'd be fine with that too.

I think that's the way to go. If Delaney is gonna be the Mikey story over again, then Tommy should be his mentor, his Mic Foley leading him to success. Then you can transition that into the Edgeheads either cheating to beat Delaney and win the belts, or just plain taking advantage of the poor kid's inexperience. Then you do the bit of Delaney apologizing to Tommy for the loss, swearing he'll get those belts back, and voila, instant WWE tag title feud.

This is all yes a complete 100% rip of the progression of the Mikey Whipwreck & Cactus Jack vs. PE angle, but it worked then, it'd work now. If only WWE is smart enough to use it.

At 2/9/08 09:00 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote:

At 2/9/08 08:57 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Has Vince ever listened to the fans? No! Jeff can get 99.99% votes, it will not change the fact that HHH is going to win the EC.

I think that Trips will win the EC. Jeff should win MITB. At least MITB guarantees a title win down the road.

No because it'll be HHH vs Cena at wrestlemania. I know that's how it'll be. The RR hinted at it.

At 2/10/08 12:03 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: This is all yes a complete 100% rip of the progression of the Mikey Whipwreck & Cactus Jack vs. PE angle, but it worked then, it'd work now. If only WWE is smart enough to use it.

It's a pretty decent angle right now, and I honestly want to see where WWE will take it. By doing what you said it will get some attention back to the tag titles and give Dreamer and Bandage man some time to shine. Also it makes for an esier tag title transition since if the Edgeheads went after Miz and Morrison it would be heel vs. heel.

At 2/10/08 12:15 AM, Black-Lightning wrote: No because it'll be HHH vs Cena at wrestlemania. I know that's how it'll be. The RR hinted at it.

Hey, I just saved 40 dollars, yesssssssss!!!!!!!!!
I am not going to waste a cent as long as Captain Invincible headlines WM.

At 2/10/08 03:33 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Alright, Fantasy booking done. That was off the top of my head so its probably really rough, but, whatever. I liked it.

Well...you like it? That means that Vince will not like it. Why am I sensing that Taker's WM streak is going to be over this year? Vince, do not go that low if you want to live to see another day afterWM!

At 2/10/08 08:22 PM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: Well...you like it? That means that Vince will not like it. Why am I sensing that Taker's WM streak is going to be over this year? Vince, do not go that low if you want to live to see another day afterWM!

I think you've totally lost the plot if you think Vince would even consider ending Taker's streak now. Edge doesn't need the rub.

At 2/10/08 08:25 PM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: I think you've totally lost the plot if you think Vince would even consider ending Taker's streak now. Edge doesn't need the rub.

Vince has done crazier things before...like I said, I will not be UTTERLY surprised if Vince jobs Taker out at WM.

Red, love the angle, with Tommy though you can stick him in a managerial role as mentor to the Punk/Delaney connection, that way when Punk is cycled out of the feud, Dreamer can step right back in. Think what The Hardcore Chair Swinging Freaks Balls Mahoney and Axel Rotten did with Masato Tanaka in ECW.

DoD...dude, get off the fucking crack, I'm begging you to get off the crack. You embarrass yourself when you post insanely illogical and dumb stuff like Taker losing at Mania, he won't. The whole point of a build like this if he gets Edge is that the babyface gets fucked, and fucked, and fucked, until the big matchup where he beats the heel's ass and takes his title. It's wrestling 101.

You should apply for a job as a WWE writer. You come up with better stuff then they do. Though to be fair, they have to write quite a bit on a short length of time so it can't all be good.

Ok so I saw TNA and I saw a wrestler by the name of "Sharkboy"?? WTF kind of personality is that?! Why does his so called personality mimic that of stone cold's?? It pisses me off because he's making a mockery of Steve Austin. Even his fuckin' music is the same!!!!

WTF!??

At least that name was more clever than "Tiger Mask"

seriously... Tiger Mask and Curry Man. Curry man. He tastes great, according to the announcer.
(I marked and licked the screen)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY858ez-_
5g

If they dont wanna take this shit seriously, I wont either.

At 2/11/08 01:22 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: lol, you damned casuals. Tiger Mask is a legend in Japan (there have been four over the years I believe) and curry man is actually someone you've seen before. The curry-man gimmick is just a succesful alternate personality played out in Japan. Its pretty entertaining if you ask me.

I know, but damn those are some uncreative names. Good match they had though.

Oh man, JBL has a scary fucking clothesline when he shoots.

At 2/11/08 05:58 PM, PantyWipe wrote: Oh man, JBL has a scary fucking clothesline when he shoots.

Clothesline from hell was JBL's finisher. He does not use it anymore.

At 2/11/08 01:22 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: lol, you damned casuals. Tiger Mask is a legend in Japan (there have been four over the years I believe) and curry man is actually someone you've seen before. The curry-man gimmick is just a succesful alternate personality played out in Japan. Its pretty entertaining if you ask me.

I'm excited to see the World X Cup back... But with Russo booking, I can just see the Americans beating those damned foreign heels. As Red said Tiger Mask has been around for a while, hell, he's the inspiration behind King (You know, from the Tekken series).

As for Curryman, there's always been this STUPID RUMOR that its actually Daniels under a mask. They're two different people. Daniels is bald, Curryman has hair. Daniels can't dance, Curry man is a great dancer. They're just NOT the same.

Besides, Curryman is hot, spicy, AND he tastes great. No one else can say that.

And the JBL clothesline in the vid wasn't all that great. The dude that took the move made it seem better.

Whats wrong with Sharkboy? He's an awesome wrestler and obviously has a great sense of humor. It's nothing new for a company to mock or parody the other. Just look at Gillberg, Oklahoma, the Uncle Ted skits, the fake Nash and Hall, and so on and so on.. No big deal really since his gimmick is all in fun.

Now, where was I? Oh yeah, I left off at the incest crap. >_<

My neighbor's cutting me off here, so I'll catch up more later.

At 1/27/08 12:51 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Oh no....

Source: Wrestling Observer Newsletter

Vince McMahon has given his approval for a storyline involving incest. We first reported on the angle tat would involve Ohio Valley Wrestling wrestlers Katie Lea and Paul Burchill last week. The angle would likely take place on either ECW or Raw, because there is some concern that it would get the wrong kind of heat if it were to take place on SmackDown -- which is on network television.

McMahon has wanted to do an incest angle for years. He once suggested that he be the father of his daughter Stephanie's baby. As revealed on the McMahon DVD, Stephanie turned down the angle. According to her, Vince was to reveal himself as the father of her baby; when she said no, he pushed for Shane to be the father, but she turned that idea down as well.

The incest idea was first batted around in 1999 where Ken Shamrock and Ryan Shamrock (his storyline sister) would end up as lovers. Ken nixed the idea and that was the beginning of the end of his push at the time. There is some irony in the angle as Ken and Ryan ended up as a real-life couple at around the same time frame.

I think I'm going to cry...... DON'T HAVE BURCHILL RETURN THIS WAY!!!! His career will be ruined much like Vito after the transvestite angle went south. LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES, VINCE!!! Oh, wait - look who I'm talking to..... >_<

Seriously.. Does anyone here honestly want to see a storyline like this?

No, but I think I'd be speaking for everyone in this crew.

Why does Vince love incest so much?

Because he's a sick fuck, obviously. And a nutcase.

At 1/27/08 08:18 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: It's good to see Paul Burchill will be getting back on TV. Who knows, this may turn out quite well for him.

Are you insane?

Did anyone really think that being Captain Jack would prove as successful as it was for Burchill?

Actually, yes.

At 1/27/08 11:11 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Roddy Piper and Jimmy Snuka were surprise entrants.

I KNEW I SAW RODDY ON THE RECAP THING!!!!

At 1/28/08 08:41 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Punk got hit by everyone's finisher? Don't they reserve that for heels or people the crowd wants to see get beat up? Apparently WWE hates their mid-carders with a passion,

No, that's what happens to ECW originals.

At 1/28/08 11:52 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: *Angrily makes picture*

Lol, DAH-DAH-DAH-DAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!

He can leap tall Indian wrestlers in a single bound......he's faster than a speeding midget in leprechaun attire.......stop me, please.

It was cool to see Paul Burchill again. It sucks that are diving right into the incest angle. I'm glad Kendrick didn't get squashed, but I would like to see him win some time soon

Also, Jeff's double knee atomic drop was awesome. Great main event. I can't wait until a week from now to watch the No Way Out on the internet. : )

At 2/11/08 11:06 PM, boloneyman wrote: It was cool to see Paul Burchill again. It sucks that are diving right into the incest angle. I'm glad Kendrick didn't get squashed, but I would like to see him win some time soon

Burchill's "sister" is smoking hotttttttttttt... :$

Also, Jeff's double knee atomic drop was awesome. Great main event. I can't wait until a week from now to watch the No Way Out on the internet. : )

Yes, the match indeed rocked, I will be surprised if it did not end up with a candidate of MOTY.

I'm glad Burchill is back, but man he is going to have to work his ass off to make this lousy story work.

I've noticed something.. Each time they take a cruiser from SD due to them being on such a roll or is a big fan favorite, they make them total jobbers on Raw. London, Kendrick, Tajiri, Hurricane, Super Crazy, Chavo and so on. Vince must really hate the cruisers.

Man that main even as just awesome! Both HBK and Jeff put on one hell of a performance, and I'm really happy that Jeff was able to pick up the win.

We're probably going to see Vince vs. Finley at WM.

Jericho and JBL had a good match too. Y2J really needed the win here so I'm glad he got it.

At 2/12/08 12:38 PM, The-Redangleprince wrote: Paul Burchill. Now, this guy got the pirate gimmick over, so who is to say he can't make this incest angle work?

It's the difference between silly, and disgusting. The pirate gimmick was silly, but Burchill made it work, and probably he was bolstered by the popularity of the Pirates Of The Carribbean movies making pirates cool again, and giving Burchill a bit of a template to help make that work. When Pierre Oullette did the same gimmick, with no movie (and admittedly, less skills on the stick and in the ring) it flopped.

This angle is just something that nobody wants to see. I mean, seriously. This reminds me of Billy and Chuck all over again, except where Billy and Chuck worked somewhat because most people won't admit their homophobic, there's an almost universal gag reflex when it comes to the idea of incest. There's almost no way to progress this angle really without it ending up with sickening segments like them kissing, or simulate sleeping together. At least they are trying to portray Burchill and Lea as a seriously evil duo, and not as comedy. That should give them a good opt out claus on this since if it isn't working they can just stop mentioning the "brother-sister" aspect, do a worked shoot or something to explain it away, and let them continue in the roles. But I just don't see this angle going anywhere good since this IS WWE were talking about here.

Anyone else notice how awesome the promos were tonight? I mean, Ric Flair never fails on the stick, but Kennedy and Cena were really good tonight too. Cenas was short, to the point, and drove home the fact that Orton screwed up and hes 100%. Kennedy, on the other hand, has really upped his mic work since starting against Flair. Hes acting more and more heelish rather than relying on his microphone summoning powers to get over. I'm digging it, and hopefully this program with Flair will end with him still on the rise despite the loss at No Way Out.

Cena needs to stop being pushed in the mold of Hulk Hogan, or the Rock, or somebody who talks on and on for 20 minutes. If they find Cena can do that, always make it work, then it's worth doing it of course. But just saying "Ok John, your the top babyface, and this is what the top babyface does" it's ridiculous because every performer is different. The use of Cena since his comeback has been really effective, the fired up ex champ gunning for what he never lost.

Flair can blow rings around Kennedy in terms of promos if he wanted to, so it's very wise of Kennedy to up his game, and do things differently then he has before. When the actual match comes, time to put those working boots on too. Kennedy may have lost his golden ticket, pre-ordained push to the top, but there's no reason he can't still break into the main events through good old fashioned hard work and excellent performances every time out.

Also, Santino is still awesome.

Yes, he should probably get another run as IC champ or something, that belt is doing nothing on Hardy, may as well turn Santino into the new HTM, and use the hilarious chicken shit heel he plays to better advantage.

Jeff vs Shawn was a very cool match. That said, I'm not sure it was an amazing all time classic like others have been saying, but it was enjoyable to watch and take a ride and watching Michaels try an play the heel without being a heel. Hardy getting the win wasn't as hot as I'd thought it'd be, but thats probably because it was taped and I knew the outcome.

I missed that, damn computer problems, I'm glad Jeff got that win though, after losing clean to Orton, he needed it.

I really miss the old Triple H. Clean shaven, flanked by Flair, and an absolute bastard of a heel. His chamber video package reminded me of that guy. I hope he turns heel soon. I wouldn't mind seeing him with the belt for a few months if he did.

I don't think the fans want to boo him now, and it seems like he's really enjoying being a babyface and making fun of his immediate family and all that happy stuff. I don't think they need to fall back on him as champion at this point though, I think it's time to try and keep the veterans into the pattern of "always a bridesmaid, never a bride" when it comes to main events. You have to build the future starting now.

Provided of course he feuds against Jeff.

I think that could be very good stuff.

I had my doubts on Santino. After his face run flopped I didn't think he would make it as a heel. But to my suprise he has really turned his character around into someone who is fun to hate. I just hope he and Carlito can elevate each other in some way. If Santino gets the IC title it would only be natural that Carlito, being a former IC champ himself, would want a shot at it.

Seeing Stevie tonight and the huge reaction he got was one of the best feel good monents I've seen in a long time. The crowd popped huge for him and he had their full support. I can only imagine how good that must have been for Stevie himself. I'm very glad to have seen that.

At 2/12/08 10:22 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: Seeing Stevie tonight and the huge reaction he got was one of the best feel good monents I've seen in a long time. The crowd popped huge for him and he had their full support. I can only imagine how good that must have been for Stevie himself. I'm very glad to have seen that.

I'm not sure I'd define the reaction as "huge", it was good though. I'm glad they did that vignette last week and gave Stevie that squash win this week. I think they have a talented veteran in Stevie who maybe won't be champion, but he can help bring along guys they want to elevate to that level.