At 5/24/07 12:23 PM, Dinomitekid wrote: hey! that was completely uncalled for. WCW was way better than the wwf and it made what the wwe is today.

Yeah...Eric Bischoff is a lier. ECW made both those companies successful by giving them the undercard (and in WWE's case main event) level talent that tent poled their shows, not to mention they produced cutting edge TV with concepts that WCW and WWE later borrowed (or blatantly stole) and incorporated into their own shows. If not for ECW, probably both of those companies would have gone under from just stagnating and nobody caring.

Go read the death of WCW and then you can tell me otherwise if that was uncalled for.

Lance Storm has posted a nice bit about Helms and is worht reading.
http://www.stormwrestling.com/052407.html

At 5/25/07 12:09 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Lance Storm has posted a nice bit about Helms and is worht reading.
http://www.stormwrestling.com/052407.html

Anybody else afraid WWE is gonna wait like 6 months in...then just fire Helms? They've done it before, and I'd bet Helms would have been on the bubble anyway before he went down to injury, once that CW belt came off, he became expendable. Hope I'm wrong, but I can just see the headline now...

At 5/24/07 11:01 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I hope that at ONS this whole thing finally ends. No more Vince/Lashly fued, no more of this crap. I don't think fans can take too much more of that crap. WCW proved that if you present garbage long enough, fans will simply leave.

How can the feud end? Look, Vince is still the ECW champion. The feud will not end until Lashley destroyes Vince. When was the last time that a major heel win a feud? Last century? The creative team is surely getting VERY CREATIVE.

WWE? I'm In!

At 5/25/07 06:27 AM, RoadKnee12 wrote: WWE? I'm In!

Post again and add a bit to the conversation and we'll make it offical.

There is going to be a three hour Raw on June 11th. It will most likely have much more guys from Raw and SD on it to fill up the time.

At 5/25/07 11:10 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: There is going to be a three hour Raw on June 11th. It will most likely have much more guys from Raw and SD on it to fill up the time.

The early word on that is that it will probably be a "Night of The Champions" (*coughClashoftheChampionsripoffcough*) in which every title will be on the line. But does that include the CW title?

At 5/25/07 11:17 AM, pepeatumi wrote: But does that include the CW title?

We have a CW title? Crap, I didn't even realise we had a cruiserweight division.

Wow. What idiocy.

I missed SD tonight and have no tape.. how was it? I read the results so I know whats going on, but how were thge matches?

At 5/26/07 12:49 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I missed SD tonight and have no tape.. how was it? I read the results so I know whats going on, but how were thge matches?

Jimmy Yang vs Chavo was good but had no crowd heat (go figure). Matt Hardy and The Miz put on a good match, and The Miz is really showing some improvement, if he keeps it up he might become a commodiy, at least for the mid-card.

The ME was the usual in a Fatal-Four way, a couple of guys fight on the outside and the others fight in the ring... It was decent, but you couldn't expect much when you had Batista and Henry in the ring at the same time. Londrick vs Regal/Taylor was good while it lasted, and it also looks like we might see London and Kendrick vs Regal/Taylor vs Deuce and Domino further down the road.

MVP cut a great promo and it looks like his feud with Benoit isn't over just yet (Which is awesome). Vickie is now Teddy Long's "assistant" and the rest was just filler (*coughBOOGEYMANcough*).

Going forward... Some news on RVD.

There has been much speculation that Robert Szatowski (Rob Van Dam) had signed over his ring name to the WWE, but that’s not the case. So, if Szatowski was to sign with another company outside the WWE, he can choose to go by the alias Rob Van Dam without having any legal issues after leaving the company.

Meltzer said that, so take it for what its worth.. I was looking forward to seeing Rob in TNA as Brother Rob Cage or Robert Vandamius Damian.

And SNME is going to suck.. Here are the matches announced so far.

- WWE Champion John Cena(R) and the 7-foot, 3-inch 420-pound titan The Great Khali(TM) squaring off in a prelude to the highly anticipated rematch for the WWE Championship at the "One Night Stand(TM)" pay-per-view on Sunday, June 3rd.

- Batista(TM) and Chris Benoit(R) battle World Heavyweight Champion Edge(R) and United States Champion MVP(TM) in anticipation of title match showdowns at "One Night Stand."

- The WWE's strangest and smallest going head-to-head in a match that can only be seen to be believed.

So there you have it, a day before they wrestler on PPV, Khali and Cena will go at it free TV.. My guess is that Khali wins at SNME, and then Cena retains (Shocking, I know).

And yes, it seems we'll see Little Boogey vs Hornswoggle... I feel like crying.

Can I join WWE Club, I watched SD tonight some of the matches were all right I like Miz VS
Matt Hardy,the feud between Vince and Lashly won't last long Lashly will destroy him soon.

At 5/25/07 11:17 AM, pepeatumi wrote: The early word on that is that it will probably be a "Night of The Champions" (*coughClashoftheChampionsripoffcough*) in which every title will be on the line. But does that include the CW title?

My assumption is it'll be every title and hopefully we'll get a couple of switches that can rejig a sagging division or two...or maybe we can see some unification matches or something because the way WWE structures their PPV's now adays, they have too many titles

ONS will suck. Let me guess, Cena will own Khali again, Batista/Benoit will destory Edge/MVP and Lashley will finally beat Vince. RIGHT?

At 5/26/07 05:57 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: ONS will suck. Let me guess, Cena will own Khali again, Batista/Benoit will destory Edge/MVP and Lashley will finally beat Vince. RIGHT?

Actually.. Batista/Benoit vs Edge/MVP will happen the day before ONS, at Saturday Night's Main Event.. With that said, you're probably right in your picks. Batista and Benoit will probably win at SNME and then lose at ONS... and it'll be the same thing with Cena. He'll lose on Saturday, but the next day (with the title on the line) he'll beat Khali and retain.

At 5/26/07 01:59 AM, Dead-Body-Man wrote: Can I join WWE Club, I watched SD tonight some of the matches were all right I like Miz VS
Matt Hardy,the feud between Vince and Lashly won't last long Lashly will destroy him soon.

Post again and we'll make it offical.

What day is SNME going to be?

At 5/26/07 11:45 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: What day is SNME going to be?

Next Saturday... June 2 at 11:30pm EST. The day before One Night Stand... And the WWE has done a terrible job at promoting both events.

At 5/26/07 11:59 AM, pepeatumi wrote:

At 5/26/07 11:45 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: What day is SNME going to be?

Next Saturday... June 2 at 11:30pm EST. The day before One Night Stand... And the WWE has done a terrible job at promoting both events.

I am going to have to miss it because there is a fishing tourament June 2,If you guys watch it tell me what happens.

may I join this club?

also, what tv network is Saturday Night's Main Event?

At 5/26/07 07:57 PM, IND658 wrote: may I join this club?

also, what tv network is Saturday Night's Main Event?

I believe it's going to be aired on NBC(like the last one).

Hi guys. I just recently bought a used copy of The Ultimate Ric Flair Collection at Deja Vu Records earlier today. I'm planning on watching it tomorrow because I'm currently watching Space Ghost Coast to Coast right now.

At 5/26/07 11:59 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Next Saturday... June 2 at 11:30pm EST. The day before One Night Stand... And the WWE has done a terrible job at promoting both events.

I think they've resigned themselves to the idea both events will bomb, and I don't see WWE wanting to do anymore SNME when they're contract is up for renewal, it's done nothing for them or NBC. With two weeks to build the show, can ONS really be anything but Judgement Day redux? Which was basically Backlash redux? Which was then basically Wrestlemania redux...see my point? WWE needs to start dropping more PPV's, and not just at the end of the year and quietly not do those shows next year, they need to drop shows NOW, turn the GAB into a television taping, same to Cyber Sunday/Taboo Tuesday, those shows are both always disasters creatively and financially.

At 5/26/07 11:56 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I think they've resigned themselves to the idea both events will bomb, and I don't see WWE wanting to do anymore SNME when they're contract is up for renewal, it's done nothing for them or NBC. With two weeks to build the show, can ONS really be anything but Judgement Day redux? Which was basically Backlash redux? Which was then basically Wrestlemania redux...

Agreed. People don't want to buy the same PPV two to three times in a row, and they sure as hell don't want to buy a PPV every two weeks if the card will remain unchange.

As for ONS, gotta agree with that as well... The tagline for ONS should... Its Judgment Day, with weapons!!

At 5/27/07 12:07 AM, pepeatumi wrote:

At 5/26/07 11:56 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: I think they've resigned themselves to the idea both events will bomb, and I don't see WWE wanting to do anymore SNME when they're contract is up for renewal, it's done nothing for them or NBC. With two weeks to build the show, can ONS really be anything but Judgement Day redux? Which was basically Backlash redux? Which was then basically Wrestlemania redux...

true,true. the existing rivalries have been streched and twisted to the point of not being as interesting anymore.

I will probably miss SNME anyway.

I wonder why they hold Nitro back so much? All because he and Melina are an item? wtf is wrong with WWE these days?

At 5/27/07 12:33 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I wonder why they hold Nitro back so much? All because he and Melina are an item? wtf is wrong with WWE these days?

I could try to explain it, but NG has a character limit :).

It basically is Vince has never been as smart as he, and his supporters and cronies think he is. He listens far too much to his son-in-law and daughter who are alternately pushing for thier own benefit and are utterly clueless as to how to make things work. Plus a creative team that hasn't figured out how to be creative while still pleasing the boss, lazy a-holes. The shows will never get better until these issues are addressed, if they aren't, things will just continue to slide and WWE will slip further and further into the hole.

At 5/26/07 11:13 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Actually.. Batista/Benoit vs Edge/MVP will happen the day before ONS, at Saturday Night's Main Event.. With that said, you're probably right in your picks. Batista and Benoit will probably win at SNME and then lose at ONS... and it'll be the same thing with Cena. He'll lose on Saturday, but the next day (with the title on the line) he'll beat Khali and retain.

I think that the company is waiting for HHH's return. Remember, when Cena made Hunter tap out at WM22. No rematch has been scheduled yet. With HBK out of the title picture, HHH is the last hope.

At 5/27/07 05:22 AM, Dream-of-Duke wrote: I think that the company is waiting for HHH's return. Remember, when Cena made Hunter tap out at WM22. No rematch has been scheduled yet. With HBK out of the title picture, HHH is the last hope.

Word is that HHH will feud with Orton upon his return and you know what that means.... Jobbing time for Mr. Orton.

As for the people who are getting pushed nowadays... Vince needs to realizt that isn't the 80's and pushing muscleheads is not the way to go. Mcmahon was doing well in the terms of the evolution of the wrestler, from musclehead (Hogan) to guys who would bend the rules and win matches, without being 6'5 and 270 (guys like Rock, Austin and the younger HHH).

The problem is that instead of progressing by using the 21st century wrestler (People who can mat wrestler as well as high-flying) Vince has decided to regress back to the formula he's used in the 80's (The aforementioned muscle-heads).

Look at some of the guys that are the most over in the roster.... Edge, Kennedy, MVP, Matt and Jeff Hardy, Orton, Rob Van Dam, CM Punk... These are the guys that personify the 21st century wrestler, these are also the guys who are getting squashed, or aren't getting the push they deserve to due to Vince's stuborness.

And like Avie said, it doesn't help that "Creative" is just a bunch of yes me who will bend over for whatever the Boss wants. Add Stephanie who has the same mentality, and Vince sees no reason to change the product, despite the fact that sales are as great as they once were, and other competitors (UFC) are kicking the WWE's ass in in PPV sales.

At 5/27/07 10:11 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Word is that HHH will feud with Orton upon his return and you know what that means.... Jobbing time for Mr. Orton.

At least something good will come of HHH's backstage politics.

At 5/27/07 10:16 AM, HeartbreakHoldout wrote: At least something good will come of HHH's backstage politics.

Not from a real money making standpoint. Sure at first having Orton be a jobber to HHH seems fine, but if they do that long enough, the time and money spent on getting Orton to main event status will be flushed down the tubes. As much as some of you dislike orton, he does bring something to the table, and if he is beaten so much that the crowd views him as a jobber then his use is gone.