They want people to pay 40 dollars for this PPV, and then they're still announcing the card the day of the show...online...I'm not bashing the online community, but probably not all of their fans have web access, plus, nothing screams "this show is a second tier show" then announcing stuff the day of. I think WWE is in for a nasty shock when they get the buyrates back on this and Backlash, single brand shows weren't WWE's problem, WWE's problem is like Outlaw pointed out earlier, and this confirms, they want you to pay money for shows they can't be bothered to properly build and promote.

At 5/20/07 05:36 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: WWE's problem is like Outlaw pointed out earlier, and this confirms, they want you to pay money for shows they can't be bothered to properly build and promote.

Agreed. Perfect example.... Hey Shawn, what you doing on Sunday? I'm doing nothing, why? I want to have a match with you... OK!

And that, that's the reason why HBK and Orton are having a match. Its gotten to the point that they don't even other to be CREATIVE and come up with an angle... And to think, these are two of the biggest names in the company, and they're still having a match at a PPV for no real reason.

Thank God for free PPV streams!

At 5/20/07 07:20 PM, pepeatumi wrote: And that, that's the reason why HBK and Orton are having a match. Its gotten to the point that they don't even other to be CREATIVE and come up with an angle... And to think, these are two of the biggest names in the company, and they're still having a match at a PPV for no real reason.

Yeah, I mean, the only reason Orton is getting this match is to make him look like a player so H can kill him. Why not just have Orton cut a quick promo on RAW about how he wants Michaels in a match because he's tired of nobody taking him seriously, and once he beats Michaels, he's going to destroy Triple H when he gets back? Is it complicated? No, is it neccessarily brilliance? No, but it's at least a storyline to give us some kind of reason for the match. WWE should never be asking their fans to pay for a match that dosen't at least have some kind of reason for it to happen. You can do that on TV, but not when your asking for 40 dollars of their hard earned cash.

A shocking announcement!!

All matches at One Night Stand will be Extreme Rules... Also, Punk won.

*sigh* a McMahon screwjob again. Except this time in the form of a crappy call by Vince. At least from what I hear the MVP/Benoit match was excellent.

So there you have it... The Undertaker had to use weapons to beat Khali, but it only took an STFU by Cena to beat him.

Now we know, that in Vince's eyes... Cena>>>>Taker.

At 5/21/07 11:47 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: ­

Khali's foot touched the bottom rope several times.

Source: PWInsider.com

- The upcoming Mick Foley A&E reality series will be titled "Wrestling My Family." The series has not yet officially been picked up but Foley was shooting footage for it over the weekend at the New York Wrestling Connection's school in Long Island and at the NYWC event in Deer Park, LI. The footage will likely be used in the pilot.

- WWE released Henry Godwin last week. He was last being used in Deep South Wrestling.

At 5/21/07 11:59 AM, pepeatumi wrote: Now we know, that in Vince's eyes... Cena>>>>Taker.

Cena is selling a ton of merch right now, so as long as he's selling the shirts and other crap, he's going to always be portrayed as the top of the top. It's the same thing that happened with Austin, Rock, Hogan, and any other top guy throughout history.

Some of you guys need to realize that your dislike of Cena is simply a personal preference, and that in hard cold reality, he IS a top guy who IS drawing money like it or not. I'm also wondering when some of you became fans, because many of you seem to react violently to long title runs, where as when I became a fan (around 92 or 93) that was common place. Are most of you just conditioned to the Attitude era of fast title switchs and shorter term champs? I'm really curious about this.

At 5/22/07 12:13 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Some of you guys need to realize that your dislike of Cena is simply a personal preference, and that in hard cold reality, he IS a top guy who IS drawing money like it or not. I'm also wondering when some of you became fans, because many of you seem to react violently to long title runs, where as when I became a fan (around 92 or 93) that was common place. Are most of you just conditioned to the Attitude era of fast title switchs and shorter term champs? I'm really curious about this.

Its not that at all... Hell, I was already a fan of the WWE during Diesel's lenghty title run, but even that paled in comparison to how Cena's been pushed... Shoved, actually.

I know he's drawing money, the kids love him and they tell their parents to buy the shirts, caps, replica belts and anything else that has Cena on it. The main probelm is that some of the guys with lenghty title runs (HBK, Bret Hart) could have a good to great match with just about anybody and although they weren't the biggest guys around, they were credible because they were so good in the ring.

And then we have someone like Cena, who is being portrayed as this unstoppable force that no one, can stop... And he does all this while being just a decent wrestler. I don't hate Cena. I'm sure hes' a great guy, what I hate is that he gets shoved down our throats despite the fact that its gotten to a point where...CENA DOESN'T NEED THE DAMN BELT!

You said it yourself, Cena sells, and he sells wheter he's the champ or not.

The other thing that's bothersome about Cena is who he beats... He beats people who have earned the respect of a lot of people, and he beats despite getting beat up for about 80% of the match.

I'm just going to stop here, because I could go on for a while about this...

Oh yes... And to be exact, I became a fan when I was fairly young (about 3) I still remember watching wrestling on ESPN of all places, and it was the first time I saw the likes of Teddy Long and Paul Heyman, but I also remember being a huge WCW fan (To this day I'm still a Vader mark) and going nuts when it was revealed that Rick Rude was the Halloween Phantom.

Woot! Double Post!

Fuck it.... To be exact, its Vince I hate. I hate how he's turned something that I would not miss come hell or high water, to something that I miss more often that not (Thank God for recaps) I guess I just like WRESTLING, not Sports Entertainment... Even less when its not entertaining at all. We all know what's going to happen, Cena will win, Lashley will win, the mid-carders will bust their asses and get absolutely nothing.

I hate what the WWE has become despite having more than enough talent to put on great shows on a consistent basis. But instead, Vince prefers to make the show all about himself, and his hand picked talent while ignroing the rest of the roster. I hate how he continues to piss on the legacy of ECW, a company which probably saved the business, simply by being ahead of the curve. I hate how the fans tell him that the product sucks and he still ignores them.

But more than anything else (and Styles was right in saying this) I hate the fans, for booing Cena yet instead of changing the channel, they decide to keep suporting this crap knowing that it won't change.

I've all but given up on the WWE, I know it won't make a difference, but I rarely watch RAW anymore, I'll see the couple of good matches that SD puts on, and I'll see Punk when he's on ECW... That's it. I don't buy shirts, the DVD's or the PPV's... And more people should do that, maybe then Vince will realize... That maybe he's doing things the wrong way.

Right now, Ring Of Honor is the only wrestling company I support... In a way, its our ECW. Its the company that's putting on great shows, and showcasing the best talent in the business, much like ECW did long ago... Its really the only thing keeping from just forgetting about wrestling completely.

And also this.... The line-up for next year's PPV's has been announced, and here are the names.

Royal Crap
No Way Out of The S-T-F-U
WrestleMARINEia
BackLashley
King of The Backstage Powers
McMahon Day
One Night Cena
SummerHam
Unforgiven Wrestlecrap Spectacular
No Mercy on The Fans
Cena Series
Cena Sunday
Armageddon a headache from watching WWE's BS month in and month out

The ones below are the ones that were given some thought, but won't be used.

UnCenasored
McMahon Heaven
Chain Gang Stampede
WWE Barely Watchable
McMahonboree
Cheapwave
The Great American Lashley
Lashley at The Beach
Fall Wrestlecrap Brawl
HalloCeena Havoc
World War McMahon to Remember
Cena-Cade

With tonights crappy Raw, I've got nothing to use in an argument pep. All I can really say is at least SD has stepped up with some high quality matches to even out the circus that is Raw.

Raw was such a bore. The Hardy match was the onth thing that really had my attention. I'm so sick of it being Monday Night Vince. While he hogs the air time, talented guys like Nitro, Super Crazy, Benjamin, and so on rarely get used if at all. They should have learned from the Invasion disaster that no one is interested in the McMahons anymore.

Avie- I became a fan during the attitude era so I guess I was conditioned to titles changing hands a bit more often. But I didn't mind a lot of the longer runs, like what Stone Cold and HHH had during the tail end of it. With Cena I think it boils down to the fact that my current mindset is that if I've seen one Cena match, I've seen them all. Most of his matches are down to a formula. He's either dominated through the match and then puts out a few moves and wins, or a straight up Cena move fest and win. A DQ and countout are thrown in a few times and thats that. Doesn't matter who he's in the ring with, it happens each time. It's on those occasions where he is dominated that seem to count for the other guy, since that is like saying they can t least do some damage.

I don't know much about ROH. I'll have to see if I can watch it.

I don't like Cena's push for the same reasons you guys do, but I respect that he really tries to get the most from the least, he's a lot better then Hulk Hogan was in this spot. I don't neccessarily like the booking either, but I understand that's how Vince feels he can make his money, and until everybody tunes out like pep suggested, that is the product we are going to get.

I really hope ROH's PPV effort come July will do good, and at least give us an alternative, because at this point? The only wrestling I sit down and watch and enjoy, is old ECW tapes I order online, it's almost 10 years old in some cases, but it's miles better then anything we've got going on now.

At 5/21/07 11:47 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: ­

OMG, Cena won???!!! I am sooooooooooo freaking surprised, :O:O:O NOT!

I forgot to mention that I thought the flair/carlito angle was done well. Carlito has gone back to spitting apples again. I'd still like to see Carlito pushed to a higher position on the card.

RVD and Punk vs Cor Von and Burke tonight...

I'm hoping that somehow this leads to a Punk-RVD match at One Night Stand, so that Van Dam can put Punk over on his way out of the E.

At 5/21/07 11:47 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: ­

How shocking! Is anyone else thinking of doing a Shoop da Whoop edit on that picture?

Well now that Cena has beat Khali and everyone else on the Raw roster, who else to face. I can't think of anyone. Edge moving to SD! was probably the smartest moves the creative management has done in a while. Things are mixed up and exciting over there now. That is saying a lot since Raw has The Hardys my all time favorites. All their matches are getting booked in the exact same way.

I've been a little busy this week, so I'm going to have to go back & read the last 4 1/2 pages. I'm not going to bother w/ mega-posting, as I'm already doing quite a bit of that over at another crew. :P I got to see RAW for the first time in about a year (due to letting the cable go); I was over at a neighbor's (he's been a wrestling fan for 25 years; also has a cable & a big-screen), and I was just in time to find out about Judgement Day:

1) Look, I'm one of the few that still likes Cena around here, but even I can't believe that Cena MADE KHALI TAP!?

Yes, for once, his status of 'invincible' is too much for ME to take seriously.

2) MVP ACTUALLY DID WHAT HE PROMISED. Wow. The creepy thing is, I'm actually glad....

And now I feel dirty for saying that........

Alrighty, I've made a decision: No one is doing 'segments' around here anymore. I think I may've started it (it seemed like everyone else dropped out of it after I did); yet, every time I make my comments on whatever wrestling show I've watched, you know what it basically turns out as, except for a name being tacked on above it?

A segment. So, technically, even though I'd said I dropped out of that, I haven't actually stopped DOING them. o_O

Considering I never got the chance to do one on RAW before:

Assi9's RAW...........Commentary

('Blah-Blah-Blah' just isn't doing it for me anymore; makes me sound irritating - which I already sound W/O it.)

I thought it'd be hard to pay attention to the show tonight, as my mom was also there; she hates wrestling - you know how it goes: "IT'S SOOOO FAKE! WHY DO YOU WATCH THIS SHIT?"

See? IT'S NOT JUST NOOBS ON THIS BOARD, EITHER. However, she didn't do as bad as that Friday a couple of weeks ago; I couldn't tell what the fuck happened w/ her in the background. >_<

Wuh-oh, Shawn Michaels seems to be out of the picture....goodbye, DX.....again.

Did you see the look on Vince's face when Shane was going down the list of his daddy's past Street Fight opponents, and he rattled off himself & Stephanie? Classic. WAY TO MAKE YOUR DADDY LOOK GOOD IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE, SHANE!!! And then of course the facts that he took the mic out of daddy's hand & made a match for him of which he was trying to avoid.

Shane'll get the belt tonight - over his sorry, daddy's-boy ass. >_<

Of course, Lashley had to go through hell again - only to kick everyone's ass again. Yet, the match of the night, IMO, was between him & Viscera. Why? You'd think that, with a match involving this worn-thin storyline, it'd be crap. Nope, quite the opposite - if my neighbor hadn't pointed it out to me, I would've accidentally missed Lashley clear Viscera like Superman clears tall buildings. :P (Pun not intended; I forgot about Lashley being called 'Superman' every once in a while.) It has to be the army training; you don't ever see Batista - of equal size - doing that to larger wrestlers. And then Viscera spin-kicks Lashley.....it's like the laws of physics don't exist anymore.

Masters is STILL half the man he was before he came back to the WWE size-wize; I guess he no longer gives a shit.

I now see where YoInK's coming from - Umaga DOES resemble a shriveled-up monkey dick; much in the same way that Shane acts like one. Telling Umaga to go back did absolutely NOTHING, as expected, although I did expect him to come barrelling back after Shane lost to finish Lashley off. I guess he was still confused that he was even sent back to begin with.

You all know how I like Ashley, but Candice Michelle was getting my attention last night - especially the cover. ^_^ Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. (Of course, she's a Playboy covergirl, too.) I need some backups anyway, as now I have to fight over Ashley w/ my neighbor - dammit.

Nitro &........Dykstra - no, doesn't have the same ring to it. And apparently, it didn't help them last against the Hardys, either. Nice to see the WGTT's still together.

Who's Khali's new little sidekick? For once, Khali actually seemed intelligent carrying on a conversation with him in the locker room (sorta' like watching a commercial w/ the Geico Cavemen), no matter how illegible it was. Then, of course, it was back to King Kong time once he went in the ring, but still nice to see a different side.

For everybody who hates Cena: I'm sure you all loved watching him become a human ragdoll as he got 2-Handed Choke Slammed - now THAT was believable.

Yup, Carlito DID get his wish of turning heel, all right - and STILL spitting in the faces of faces.

Poor Ric.....

Randy Orton's still an asshole.

The show wasn't bad; there wasn't anything I couldn't either watch or sit through - but that's basically most nights.

At 5/22/07 10:25 PM, Assi9 wrote: And then Viscera spin-kicks Lashley.....it's like the laws of physics don't exist anymore.

lol... Peop;le have always underestimated Viscera when it comes to athletic ability... Did I just say that?

You all know how I like Ashley, but Candice Michelle was getting my attention last night - especially the cover. ^_^ Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. (Of course, she's a Playboy covergirl, too.) I need some backups anyway, as now I have to fight over Ashley w/ my neighbor - dammit.

I"ll take Candice over Ashley any day of the week... I don't like the fact that you can see Ashley's rib cage... Eat a damn sandwich woman!!

Who's Khali's new little sidekick?

After a year and a half the WWE realized that no one can understand Khali.. So they got him a translator.

Yup, Carlito DID get his wish of turning heel, all right - and STILL spitting in the faces of faces.

Which makes sense... How can you be a face if you spit apple in people's faces?

Randy Orton's still an asshole.

And incredibly boring on the mic and in the ring... But he can do this. \_O__/

The ME of that Tuesday show was actually pretty good, and I loved how Van Dam sold The POUUUUUNCE. As for the rest, I didn't see it, but I assume it was crap.

And I heard that Thorn wrestled tonight sans Ariel... I already miss her.

At 5/22/07 11:33 PM, pepeatumi wrote: After a year and a half the WWE realized that no one can understand Khali.. So they got him a translator.

Who is a member of creative...instead of someone training as a manager, cause you know, why would we want to push a manager?

At 5/23/07 12:06 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Who is a member of creative...instead of someone training as a manager, cause you know, why would we want to push a manager?

Which is sad really. The art of having a manager seems to have died and thats a real shame. I miss having some great managers around.

At 5/23/07 11:47 AM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: Also, ZOMG.

I don't get Vince's fascination with Snitsky (Actually, I do... he's big) but the fact is the man is not scary... He's just really ugly with some bad steroid-acne. I don't care how many people he squashes, he's still the same baby punter with a foot fetish.

And from the looks of things, Van Dam will be jobbing to Snitsky at ONS... That's right, he won't put over Burke, Cor Von, or Punk, guys who will probably be in the WWE for a while, instead Snitsky will go over RVD, a man who has a good chance of getting a pink slip the next time the WWE decides to fire a lot of people.

Some sad news to report...

Jill Jarrett, the wife of Jeff Jarrett, passed away last night. Jill had been battling cancer on and off for a few years now and her health had gotten worse in the last two months. Jeff was going through great lengths to be with her virtually 24 hours a day, including when she was in the hospital. Even since returning to TV, he had been flying straight to the shows, then leaving right after, so he could go be with his wife.

My condolences to Jeff and his family..

And in a terrible twist of fate.... Jill passes away eight years to the day of the death of one of Jeff's best friends, Owen Hart.

My condolences go out to Jeff. I just hope he can rebound from this, since from what I undestand he has taken this whole thing very hard (and understandably so). I may not like the guy much but I'd never wish this on anyone.

At 5/22/07 12:13 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Some of you guys need to realize that your dislike of Cena is simply a personal preference, and that in hard cold reality, he IS a top guy who IS drawing money like it or not. I'm also wondering when some of you became fans, because many of you seem to react violently to long title runs, where as when I became a fan (around 92 or 93) that was common place. Are most of you just conditioned to the Attitude era of fast title switchs and shorter term champs? I'm really curious about this.

Not true, me friend Cory and I decided not to go to Wrestlemania, Backlash or Vengeance, because we knew Cena would be in it. Thats like a good 100$ Vince lost from 2 people, imagine how many other people are getting bored of cena and don't care buying the payperviews anymore because of that reason.

BATISTA is loads better than edge.

At 4/14/03 01:23 PM, Frank wrote: this is the wrestling club! Talk about anything that has to do with wrestling (preferably the wwe).
Wrestling, huh? Will you be separated the

WWE fans with ECW fans or what?

I residentevilfan shall be member #1

He can steal from Goldberg. He can steal from Lesnar, but now hes gone too far.

At 5/23/07 08:34 PM, Cereal wrote: He can steal from Goldberg. He can steal from Lesnar, but now hes gone too far.

I love it!!! Lol

Megagold, I seriously doubt Vince misses your 100 bucks in terms of what Cena draws, not to mention you instantly lose points with me for thinking that boo boo facing fuck Batista is better then Edge, the man is a jerk, and if he was really so great, the company would have put the belt back on him rather then moving Edge and giving it to him.

I've been very critical of Jeff Jarrett, as a performer, and as a owner of TNA. But right now I feel for Jeff Jarrett the human being, this is a tragic tragic thing, and having lost people to cancer, I can imagine somewhat the immense personal struggle Jill's battle must have been for him. I hope Jeff will continue to do what he loves, and I hope he will recover from this, this is a horrible blow at a horrible time. My condolences to his friends, his family, and his fans.

I hope that at ONS this whole thing finally ends. No more Vince/Lashly fued, no more of this crap. I don't think fans can take too much more of that crap. WCW proved that if you present garbage long enough, fans will simply leave.

At 5/24/07 11:01 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I hope that at ONS this whole thing finally ends. No more Vince/Lashly fued, no more of this crap. I don't think fans can take too much more of that crap. WCW proved that if you present garbage long enough, fans will simply leave.

hey! that was completely uncalled for. WCW was way better than the wwf and it made what the wwe is today. but i agree. that the feuds just keep getting gayer. like i dont want to see another fucking edge or randy orton feud for as long as i live I WANT TRIPPLE H Damnit!!! we have lost everyone but him, and i dont like these new guys. like john cena could never amount to chris benoit, the rock, stone cold, undertaker, HHH and all them! and when they run out of stars they get someone who everyone hates to start a feud with the champ. like right now there isint a damn person on RAW exept john cena(who i dont even like that much) BUT HERES WHATS REALLY PISSING ME OFF: NEVER ENDING FEUDS!!!!!!!!!!!! like CHIS BENOIT AND MVP WONT END, LASHLEY AND MCMAHON WONT END, I FEEL A CARYOVER FROM JUDGEMENT DAY WITH JOHN CENA AND KALHI BECAUSE THERES NO ONE ELSE TO FIGHT HIM

all im saying is. i want fresh shit, im tired of the same crap over and over and over