Im looking forward to Ciena vs HBK

Never and I mean NEVER have that Bobby Lashley talk.... on ECW he said the dumbest lines. He should absolutely never say the word "bastard" cuz when he says it... it sounds so lame.

"You old bastard.. you will be a bald son of a bitch"... that's all he said and he said it as if he was reading some cards or something... very poorly done. The guy needs a mask and a voice.

At 3/27/07 04:17 PM, pepeatumi wrote:

At 3/27/07 03:53 PM, TheD-LucksEdition wrote: I'm DEEPLY concerned.

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All those card are subject to change. The WWE plans these things in advance so it doesn't necessarily mean that Batista will retain the title.

They're advertising him as champ on house shows right? WWE just will announce him for those shows as champion because he is champion right now. If they said "Batista vs. WHC Undertaker" it spoils Mania. As pep says, cards are subject to change, and the local advertising would change should Taker win the belt at Mania, but all WWE is saying with that is that the current guy with the belt will be working, it dosen't mean he'll have the belt when he shows up there.

Anybody else think they just set up CM Punk to win MITB tonight? Think about this:

Edge was playing mister manipulator with the staying out of the fray (which to me just telegraphs the fact that he'll try to be clever come Sunday and be the guy who falls off the ladder for the winner to pick up the victory, which suggests right now a BABYFACE winner...meaning it could only be Orton or Punk correct?), but who did he wind up sacrificing to the other team and letting get eaten? CM Punk of course! Now, I have heard WWE is not high on Randy Orton at all right now, to the point that he may get released at some point if he dosen't change the way he acts in the back and all that stuff. So it seems to me that WWE was perhaps sending Orton and those of us who pay attention a message by sticking on Orton on a team opposite Edge. Because if you wanna keep their breakup simmering, I say you put them on the same team, and have Edge do to Orton what he did to Punk. So I see Sunday going down as Punk going in looking for revenge on Edge, and getting it by making sure he stops Edge from winning the match, snatches the breifcase for himself, maybe then gets slotted into a three way match at Backlash for the briefcase (with Orton basically being like an obligatory add-in to continue feuding with Edge once Punk basically blows him away) and then of course, Punk retains and cashes it in sometime this year and hopefully winds up winning the belt. Because I just feel like he needs that win, and in a few months, Lashley should be established, but Punk should carry the ECW show in my mind, I've been saying that since December.

Nah, on the contrary they seemed to make CM Punk look good only cuz he was the hometown hero. They're making it look like they want him to win, so that Edge will get anothe cheap and unsatisfactory victory.

At 3/28/07 12:18 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Anybody else think they just set up CM Punk to win MITB tonight? Think about this:

Set him up tonight? More like they've been setting him up to win the MITB for the past couple of weeks. The whole New Breed angle with Burke trying to recruit Punk, we still haven't gotten an answer from Punk, maybe the New Breed helps Punk win the MITB, he turns heel and all of a sudden, Lashley has a legitimate challenger for the ECW title... And one of the few guys who could feud with Lashley and make the fans care about the product.

About Orton, I guess that means he's the "big superstar" I've been hearing about. If it was me in charge Orton would have been gone already. He hasn't made nearly enough money to make up for all the trouble he's caused so far in his young career.

And if you've noticed it seems they're only talking about Punk, Edge and Orton as the possible winners of the MITB. They're the ones who have gotten the most tv time out of the eight men so it seems that the WWE is going to choose between the three.

I'm rooting for Punk and I hope that he does win it, but if anyone else wins the MITB... Please. let it be Kennedy.

Seeing Punk win that match would be awesome. But the setup does sound more like playing up to the hometown crowd rather than a message to Orton. In my mind Orton os on thin ice right now, especially with the drug scandal going on with his name being linked to so many drugs. A win for him at Mania would be like rewarding bad behavior.

ECW last night was from Grand Rapids, Michigan... Punk's from Chicago. Maybe on RAW they were playing to the hometwon crowd, but not last night.

I won't reveal the results, but here are the matches for this Friday's SD.

Matt Hardy vs The Great Khali (It'll make more sense when you see it)
Finlay vs Mr.Kennedy....Kennedy
MVP vs another jobber
Jeff Hardy vs Randy Orton
A 10 diva tag match.
CM Punk vs King Booker... In what apparently was a good match.

Austin will be on SD, and the show ended with the Taker/Batista segment that was announced last week.

At 3/27/07 11:58 PM, YoinK wrote: Never and I mean NEVER have that Bobby Lashley talk.... on ECW he said the dumbest lines. He should absolutely never say the word "bastard" cuz when he says it... it sounds so lame.

It's funny how Lashley tried to talk as deep as possible. They've cut down his lines, he just says a few phrases now.

Y'know, I keep forgetting to mention this, but WE'RE NEARING 600 PAGES. Shouldn't we do something for the 600th page? Sorry I didn't mention it sooner.....

At 3/28/07 12:04 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I won't reveal the results, but here are the matches for this Friday's SD.

Matt Hardy vs The Great Khali (It'll make more sense when you see it)

Hmmmmm.......interesting.

Finlay vs Mr.Kennedy....Kennedy

Sounds like a good match.

MVP vs another jobber

Oh, god; stop with the insanity.

Jeff Hardy vs Randy Orton

BOTH HARDYS!? Cool.

A 10 diva tag match.

What more can ya' say? ^_^

CM Punk vs King Booker... In what apparently was a good match.

Finally, I get to see Punk. Hopefully kicking Booker's ass. :P

Austin will be on SD, and the show ended with the Taker/Batista segment that was announced last week.

Sounds like an overall good night.

They aren't to bad so I say why the hell not?

From what I keep seeing, the people who guessed that Mercury was fired due to a wellness violation, are indeed correct. So much for the MNM team.

The match that stands out for me at Mania is still the MITB match. There is a lot of talent in there this year and it should be just a top to bottom awesome match.

At 3/30/07 12:29 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: The match that stands out for me at Mania is still the MITB match. There is a lot of talent in there this year and it should be just a top to bottom awesome match.

I keep hearing their going to give that match a half hour. I really am excited to see it now that I believe "The Torchbearer" CM Punk will pull this one off and make ECW 2 and 0 in MITB matches (I think RVD should count because he won that match and made it pretty clear immediately he'd be defending it in ECW and we all knew he was going over there when that was announced).

WWE.com has a feature up called "where are they now" and has a few former wrestlers talking about life after WWE. Luna and Honkey Tonk Man are there and it was interesting to read about what they have been up to.

At 3/30/07 12:54 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: I keep hearing their going to give that match a half hour. I really am excited to see it now that I believe "The Torchbearer" CM Punk will pull this one off and make ECW 2 and 0 in MITB matches (I think RVD should count because he won that match and made it pretty clear immediately he'd be defending it in ECW and we all knew he was going over there when that was announced).

Please, don't say that about Punk... You're getting my hopes up. I'm rooting for Punk but I still Kennedy will win the match, Orton and Edge will cancel each other out, Finlay, Booker and The Hardys have little to no chance of winning the match, but I don't know if the WWE is ready to give Punk such a huge push... Though it would make sense to push the guy who doesn't do drugs when you're in the middle of the most recent sterod controversy.

I've been thinking this for a while.... How is Punk not one of the posterboys for the WWE? Fact is his with his gimmick/lifestyle it would be pretty easy for people to get behind CM. And as stupid as this sounds, there's a lot of kids who are wrestling fans, so why not give them someone to look up to who doesn't smoke or do drugs and is succesful at what he does? I mean the guy appeals to everyone, girls like him, kids like him and all the smarks like him because of his ROH days, not even the WWE can screw up with Punk.

At 3/30/07 11:29 AM, pepeatumi wrote: not even the WWE can screw up with Punk.

If history has told us anything, I would say that they could find a way to screw things up with Punk.
Also, I'd rather have Kennedy win the MITB. Not to say I don't like Punk, but I think it would be an investment into a doomed project in ECW, not to mention the fact that ECW has already had one MITB winner, and that didn't work wonders. Plus, Smackdown hasn't had a MITB winner yet, and I think Kennedy is deserving.

I don't know if SD deserves it considering it has a winner in the royal rumble like three times in a row. Maybe Kennedy would jump to Raw if he won.

I never thought of what pep said, but it does make sense. Why not push the guy who is most definatly not going to get in trouble with this drug scandal? Even beyond that he is a solid worker who many fans.

At 3/30/07 12:56 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I don't know if SD deserves it considering it has a winner in the royal rumble like three times in a row. Maybe Kennedy would jump to Raw if he won.

I guess you're right, and ECW could use the rub they'd get from a MITB win. I really hope Kennedy doesn't jump to Raw. Smackdown is just about the only one of the shows that I can bear to watch, and Kennedy makes it for me.

I never thought of what pep said, but it does make sense. Why not push the guy who is most definatly not going to get in trouble with this drug scandal? Even beyond that he is a solid worker who many fans.

I wouldn't be against CM Punk winning, he'd be my second choice after Kennedy.

I'm thinking, as implausible as this sounds that it may end up with teams in the MitB. Almost making it a fatal-four-way tag.

Jeff Hardy and Matt Hardy would be an obvious choice to team up, for a start.

You guys remember the best of 7 series? Where Chris Benoit and Booker were fighting out for the US title (I believe it was the US)? Well, Booker got injured for a few weeks during it and hand Randy Orton represent him as a favour. Could Randy Orton call in this favour now at WM23...calling up Booker T to fight with him? I know the creative team have probably swept it under the rug, but the possibilities are endless....I can't wait!

Source: 411mania.com

Abe Coleman, likely the world's oldest living pro-wrestler, died at the age of 101 in Queens, New York on March 28. Coleman has claimed in the past to be the creator of the dropkick.

At 3/30/07 05:38 PM, LordKooler wrote: Source: 411mania.com

Abe Coleman, likely the world's oldest living pro-wrestler, died at the age of 101 in Queens, New York on March 28. Coleman has claimed in the past to be the creator of the dropkick.

Oh man that is very sad, the dropkick is by far my favorite move in all of wrestling. I read about him back in summer and have been checking in if he was still alive every now and then. I hope he gets a segment on Raw for creating such a popular move.

At 3/30/07 11:29 AM, pepeatumi wrote: I've been thinking this for a while.... How is Punk not one of the posterboys for the WWE?

Because Triple H and Stephanie didn't like him because they're against the guys that get over with the internet. They manage to swing this opinion with Vince because they justify it as "we create stars, not the internet, so we shouldn't push people the internet loves until we make them identifiable through us". Booker T and others have had the same problem, until WWE finds a way to make you "their guy" with a character they created, you will only get so far.

Plus, Punk got heat from Arn Anderson and I think Finlay because they felt like Punk dosen't deserve the reaction he gets because again, he's not a "WWE guy" that they've built up. It's completely immature and insane when you're trying to build a brand like they are with ECW, and create more recognizable talents that move merchandise and make money, to de-push a guy when he's hot, like they did with CM Punk, they seem to have gotten back on the wagon about that though. Honstly, ECW has gotten a little better of late, but there's definitely troubles ahead, RVD last I heard is leaving when his contract is done, and leaving in disgust, Sabu will probably be gone when his contract expires because he's felt for awhile WWE is going to fire him, and has consequently done nothing to endear himself to management. Balls is just a glorified jobber, I'm not sure they'll keep him, Sandman will probably be kept since there's no heat on him from what I've heard, Tommy is sticking. But all those guys have not really been pushed as mattering worth shit on the show, the New Breed are all heels with varying skill levels. Snitsky is trash. So it really behooves WWE to create another top star for ECW in CM Punk immediately, especially as the ECW on Sci Fi TV deal draws nearer to the halfway mark of it's completion. I think there's still a good chance Sci Fi will renew it because the ratings have picked up a little, and even though they aren't doing the numbers they did last summer, they are still usually the highest rated show on Sci Fi, so as long as that holds true, and WWE isn't going to do something insane like demand way more money then Sci Fi thinks the show is worth, they'll probably get picked up again.

It behooves WWE to make the ECW brand work, and I think they are building to a CM Punk MITB win, just because it seems to me like they want another face to win it again, and yeah, I totally agree with the points about with WWE having so many problems and scandals involving performers use of illegal drugs or performance enhancing substances, it really would be best for them to push a guy who is not only drug free (so far as I've ever heard anyway, that gimmick is a shoot) but advertises that fact so proudly, seems to me maybe Punk's day is coming. My only fear is that with him winning MITB, he'll wind up being turned heel and pitted against Bobby Lashley. Don't get me wrong, I've heard Punk can be an excellent heel, but I think at this point it'd be money down the shitter to turn him, especially if they lose perenial babyface RVD as everybody is saying they will.

Bottom line, ECW needs more talent, and more focus and love from WWE, they need a real renassaince for the brand (and no, that is not me leading into saying bring back more ECW Originals or bring back Paul E.) having ECW getting a rub from CM Punk being the sole ECW guy to walk into MITB and walk out with the briefcase could help that along. But also pushing their talents as equal to other guys on the roster (hey, how about we send Elijah Burke over to RAW or SD! and let them get a win or two over some mid-level guys on those shows like a Finlay or a Jeff Hardy? Is it really going to hurt those guys at all to lose? I don't think so).

I personally want to see a better and stronger ECW brand because of my personal fondness for what ECW was and meant, and for the promise that show had when the brand was relaunched, it's absolutely not too late to fulfill it, but the ball is entirely in WWE's court whether they'll do that or not.

an interesting thing I heard of what JR said about Mr. Kennedy is that he reminds him of Stunning Steve Austin. Too bad we'll never see a Mr. Kennedy vs. Steve Austin type match.

Batista seems to have improved his talking skills.

Lashley still sucks.... i'd take him off the roster... he's no good.

Umaga better win at WM
CM Punk better win at WM
Undertaker better win at WM
HBK better win at WM
ECW Originals better win at WM

At 3/31/07 12:45 AM, YoinK wrote: Umaga better win at WM

Not happening, no fucking way in hell is that happening, ECW easily picks up a win here. Too bad it'll do next to nothing for elevating Lashley up, and even less to elevate the title.

CM Punk better win at WM

I think he's got a better chance then I thought he did a week ago. Hopefully it's another win for the good guys here too.

Undertaker better win at WM

Can't see them being stupid enough to let Batista win here...well...I can, it's just that I don't really believe they will.

HBK better win at WM

Can see it happening, but only if the McHelmsley-Michaels Facgime (Steph, Hunter, Shawn) in the back have managed to convince Vince that DX needs to be broken up when H gets back and the title needs to be involved in it. I'm not sure Michaels brings anything to being champion other then maybe giving Cena a break, I think they're best bet is to keep it on Cena much as some of you hate him (and he personally dosen't do anything for me either). They should try to continue this feud for at least another PPV though.

ECW Originals better win at WM

Agreed, it's great that those guys are going to get the Mania payday and slot, because if anybody has paid their fucking dues, it's those guys. I still feel like the best way to eventually integrate guys from the NB into being "ECW guys" if they even give a shit about that anymore (and most probably they don't) is to have them do a job here, and then maybe take like a Marcus Cor Von and split him off and have the Originals kind of mentor him into being someone who's endorsed by them. I really hope Punk isn't somehow roped in here into screwing the Originals, but it kind of seems to me that either here, or with MITB, Punk will probably be showing us which way he's gonna go, and as I said earlier today, I think a heel turn is the wrong thing to do at this point.

hey WWE fans,
just a oppinion of mine i think after WM ((and the undertaker wins)) he will quit.
think about it 15-0 at WM and also holding the title, its a good time to quit and he is getting pretty old now. so if you think the same Pm me I want to see how many people think the same.

At 3/31/07 02:42 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

HBK better win at WM

They should try to continue this feud for at least another PPV though.

If they do continue it for another PPV, I'd want Cena to retain at Mania. The past few times Cena has lost the title, he's retained shortly afterwards, so I'd rather he just keeps it rather than getting my hopes up.

ECW Originals better win at WM

Is that match going to be extreme rules?

Rip Carlito's WWE career....

One guy who was really upset about being left off of Wrestlemania is Carlito. At the WWE THQ Superstar Challenge, Carlito won one of his matches and was reportedly overheard saying, and this is not a direct quote, "Great, I can win here and can't at Wrestlemania." He wasn't in the best of spirits. To add to that, his feelings have been confirmed in an article today in the Ottawa Sun.

"I'm out of Wrestlemania," he says. Carlito then takes a subtle shot at some of the people who will be wrestling at WrestleMania by saying, "Apparently, they had to make space for Kane vs. Khali and Melina vs. Ashley. How can I be at Wrestlemania? If I politic and kiss ass, I should make it."

Carlito also added, "I'm not going to cry or be bitter, there's always next year ... and I don't want to get fired. But they're showing disrespect by not having Ric Flair at Wrestlemania and even more disrespect by not having Carlito there."

He also admits to hating his current role in WWE as a babyface. "I absolutely hate being a babyface more than anything else," he says.

WWE has a strict policy about their talent speaking to the media, and frowns upon any negative remarks such as those made by Carlito. It is extremely rare to see a WWE wrestler make comments like this, and there will almost surely be repurcussions.

You what really sucks? Carlito is right. Khali and Ashley have matches at WM, and you can't make room for someone who could actually be a star, and for a guy who is probably the greatest wrestler of all time?

Anyways, I guess Carlito will soon join LAX... He knows Dutch Mantell and Konnan, he lives in Miami and he could challenge for either the X-Division or TNA title... See you in the Impact Zone.

Not a bad prediction at all there. Most of those I agree with, witrh the exception of the MVP/Benoit match. MVP is a rising star who could benifit greatly from a win at Mania.

Wow, I just noticed that there is only one match I am really looking forward to, and that is MITB. I have no doubt it will be the most entertaining match. This WM is shaping up to be worse than the last one.