At 6/25/06 08:37 AM, Piemix wrote:

At 6/24/06 12:00 AM, Yoyodog76 wrote: Grr, Smackdown got moved to saturday up here, it's pissing me off!

yes I know its pissing me off too!

Damn baseball.

Yeah, baseball sucks, In a few years, It's getting de-throned from it's title as America's favorite past-time, Yay for Soccer!

Time for my Vengeance predictions...

- Umaga vs. Eugene. Umaga will win in another squash.

- Kane vs. "Fake" Kane. . They've made Kane look weak against Fake Kane so the original will win (Just like the original Taker did many years ago in a similar storyline)

2 out of 3 Falls Match
- Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley. .. I'm going with Flair just because I want to go with Flair.

Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton. .. Kurt Angle will make Orton tap out again.

WWE Intercontinental Championship - Triple Threat
- Shelton Benjamin (c) vs. Carlito vs. Johnny Nitro. Carlito because well he's Carlito.

Extreme Lumberjack Match
- John Cena vs. Sabu. ... This match is setup so that Sabu wins so I'm taking John Cena as he overcomes the odds once again.

2 on 5 Handicap Match
- D-Generation X vs. The Spirit Squad. .. The Spirit Squad... Psych!! Nah DX will win.

WWE Championship Match
- Rob Van Dam (c) vs. Edge w/ Lita. .. Edge will win and start a feud with John Cena and RVD remains the ECW champion.

After the first two PPVs this month, One Night Stand and Slammiversary, my record stands at 9-4-1. Here are my predictions for tonight's PPV, Vengeance:

WWE Championship Match
Rob Van Dam (c) vs. Edge w/ Lita.

2 on 5 Handicap Match
D-Generation X vs. The Spirit Squad.

Extreme Lumberjack Match
John Cena vs. Sabu.

WWE Intercontinental Championship - Triple Threat
Shelton Benjamin (c) vs. Carlito vs. Johnny Nitro.

Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton.

2 out of 3 Falls Match
Ric Flair vs. Mick Foley.

Kane vs. "Fake" Kane.

Umaga vs. Eugene.

Here's some backstage reactions from last night's return to the ECW Arena:

While some of the fans may not have left last night's Extreme Championship Wrestling house show in Philadelphia with their hopes fulfilled, nearly every member of the old ECW roster that worked the show were all said to have been touched by the reactions they received from the old faithful. Rob Van Dam, Tommy Dreamer, and Francine were said to have been especially moved backstage by the reactions they got from the fans. Stevie Richards was telling a number of people backstage after his match that he felt reborn from the crowd reaction.

As for the ECW newcomers, Big Show loved the response he got and was said to have enjoyed himself. Kurt Angle, making his in-ring debut in the venue, was said to have a blast working in the environment. A second source, however, noted that Angle pretty much kept to himself after the match and didn't really interact with the locker room.

In regard to WWE developmental talents being brought into ECW, CM Punk kept to himself in the locker room and spent most of his time watching the rest of the show, although the feeling was he fit into the locker room. Mike Knox spent the majority of his time backstage watching the matches, but didn't really interact with anyone. The feeling among some I spoke to was that Kelly was in way over her head in front of that audience as she had no frame of reference and no background in wrestling.

Paul Heyman was said to have been happy with the reaction from the fans, and predicted to several backstage there would be dissenters in the crowd, according to two sources.

There was no "rah rah" speeches from Paul Heyman before the show addressing the locker room. Dean Malenko spoke to the wrestlers before the show, instructing them not to do anything over the rails or involving blood without getting clearance from the agents and to not take any undue risks.

WWE agent Steve Keirn sat at ringside taking notes on the show.

Big SHow loved the response he got?? Didn't he get booed and wasn't he eve told by the fans to never come back? Oh well that's understandable seeing as how Show has been a part of ECW for about three weeks.

I saw this and I'm wondering Avie since you're probably the biggest ECW fan here what are your thoughts on this?

A fight broke out after the ECW House Show last night at the old ECW arena in Philly. The fight allegedly involving about 10 fans was over the fact that a fan was pro-John Cena at the event and this allegedly upset a group of ECW fans.

The fight happened near the exit way after the main event between Kurt Angle and RVD. It was broken up by security after a chair was thrown in. After that, another fight broke out outside the arena. It was all over the simple fact that someone or a few people were John Cena fans.

I can't say for a fact that is true but if it is I can't believe it I can't stand John Cena but come on.

At 6/25/06 02:58 PM, pepeatumi wrote: Big SHow loved the response he got?? Didn't he get booed and wasn't he eve told by the fans to never come back? Oh well that's understandable seeing as how Show has been a part of ECW for about three weeks.

I guess this means that the initial intention was for Show to be a heel on ECW. I've suspected that since ONS, but inter-brand feuds tend to make face/heel alignments pretty unclear. I also recall that Cena made the same comment about the crowd's reaction to him at ONS.

My Vengeance predictions:

RVD vs. Edge
Edge, most likely using Lita as the distraction

DX vs. Spirit Squad
DX, hopefully ending the storyline, letting DX recruit some members

John Cena vs. Sabu
WWE isn't going to let Cena lose

Shelton Benjamin/Carlito/Johnny Nitro
Carlito, he needs to get some action

Randy Orton vs. Kurt Angle
Randy Orton, he needs to get some steam going heading into Raw.

Mick Foley vs. Ric Flair
Mick Foley, Edge will probably come down and smack Flair around so Mick can pick up the victory

Kane vs. "Fake" Kane
Kane, hopefully ending the storyline

Eugene vs. Umaga
Umaga, squash

Good predictions, but I don't necessarily agree with some. Here's what I would want to happen, and here's what I expect to happen:

RVD vs. Edge

What I want: RVD
What we'll probably get: Edge, thanks to the slut

DX vs. Spirit Squad
What I want: DX (duh)
What we'll probably get: Spirit Squad. The Shawn Michaels thing has gone on forever, and McMahon wants an excuse to strut around on RAW.

John Cena vs. Sabu
What I want: Sabu
What we'll probably get: Cena. Again, McMahon needs to satisfy his personal agenda

Shelton Benjamin/Carlito/Johnny Nitro
What I want: Carlito (excellent wrestler)
What we'll probably get: Carlito, I think it's his time to graduate from the midcard and be a main-eventer

Randy Orton vs. Kurt Angle
What I want: No preference. if Angle wins, it's always good. If Orton wins, he'll get a push and hopefully have some good main event matches on RAW.
What we'll probably get: Randy Orton. As boloneyman said, this will be his push back into RAW.

Mick Foley vs. Ric Flair
What I want: Flair (woo)
What we'll probably get: Mick Foley ala Edge and the slut (again, baloneyman seems right on track)

Kane vs. "Fake" Kane
What I want: Kane (to end is fucking movie plug)
What we'll probably get: Fake Kane. Why? The movie is old, and we don't need the plug anymore, but I can guarantee that McMahon wants to stronger tie the Kane/Fake Kane storyline and make it seem like less than a movie plug and more of a real storyline. Besides, how often are storylines ended when they should be?

Eugene vs. Umaga

What I want: Umaga
What we'll probably get: I'm guessing Eugene, via help from some WWE Legend in an annoying "let's try to give the fans what we can't anymore" fashion

At 6/25/06 03:09 PM, pepeatumi wrote: I saw this and I'm wondering Avie since you're probably the biggest ECW fan here what are your thoughts on this?

I think it's embarrassing for wrestling fans in general, as this is the sort of crap all the naysayers about the business always use to demean it. Those people are NOT real ECW fans, they're bottom feeders who are hopefully feeling really stupid now that they've gotten out of their drunken stupors today. If you want to shout down somebody who comes to an ECW show proclaiming their love for John Cena, that's fine, that's your right in my mind with the purchase of a ticket, and it's certainly something amusing to do during intermissions or a bad match. But to take it to the next level of actually attacking someone over it is beyond stupid.

Here's some news about a future Smackdown wrestler..

Sylvester Terkay is scheduled to be a regular on the Smackdown brand very soon. He's doing a "Bruiser Brody" gimmick.

For those who don't know who Bruiser Brody was he was one of the major influences in what is knwn today as "hardcore matches" I would talk more about Brody's wrestling career but let's just it sickens me to talk about how his life ended.

And to some other news??

You know how Orlando Jordan was supposed to have a bisexual angle before his release? It seems it wasn't just an angle.

Several of you may remember a few weeks back when we reported that Orlando Jordan had been traveling with a male friend to WWE events and was released shortly thereafter.

We had heard RUMORED reports about Orlando but chose not to report them. We have checked the authenticity of the following pictures and they are real. And for whatever it's worth, Orlando's official MySpace account has him listed under sexual orientation as "bisexual".

The picture that is mentioned can be found a Wrestlezone but personally I don't care much for this story but just felt like posting to view the opinions of the other members here.

Sad, Turkay sounds like he'd be of more use to the burgeoning ECW brand, a good feud for Angle after he's done working with RVD (which is going to be the money feud when ECW finally breaks away from WWE to work on it's own).

As for Orlando, meh, fuck whoever you like, it's none of my damn business.

A bit more news on the ECW fan fight last night it seems a Cena fan wasn't the reason a fight broke out..

Some photos and videos have been posted online (YouTube.com) from yesterday's ECW house show in Philadelphia. Dan also passed along word that "For the record: the fight that broke out yesterday was because of some idiot in a swastika. NOT a WWE/Cena fan. He was sitting in the same area as some WWE fans though. It basically looked like the guy just wanted to start a fight with someone."

Unless he swung first, there was no reason or those fans who engaged him to oblige this son of a bitch and give him what he wanted.

At 6/25/06 07:53 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Unless he swung first, there was no reason or those fans who engaged him to oblige this son of a bitch and give him what he wanted.

I agree but more often than not of someone in a swastika he's not exactly going to be the most popular guy in attendance but it still doesn't excuse the fans for what they did. It sucks because it happened on an ECW show so now some people might assume that ECW fans are just brainless idiots.

There was a fight and i missed it? I didn't even hear about this stuff here.... -_-

Also in ECW news, Sci-Fi has issued another newsletter. This week ECW is the LEAD feature, with two movie priemeres being advertised beneath it. I think that says everything that needs to be said about how Sci-Fi is now viewing the new ECW.

It makes sense its acutally a simple forumula... ECW=More ratings than made for tv D movies starring Lou Diamond Phillips.

Recap is on the way...I missed the first part of the PPV (you'll find out why in the recap), but I think the recap will still be worth it.

Hey.

Guys.

What's going on?

Vengeance happened over an hour ago and nobody has been posting.

I mean, RVD and Cena won. Come on, guys.

Post something.

so a fight broke out after an ECW show? Lets just hope this isn't the beginning of a trand for them.

As for Orlando... eh, that sort of thing really isn't our buisness to begin with.

I look forward to the recaps and reviews. I just got home from work and am eager to hear what went down.

At 6/26/06 12:30 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: so a fight broke out after an ECW show? Lets just hope this isn't the beginning of a trand for them.

As for Orlando... eh, that sort of thing really isn't our buisness to begin with.

I look forward to the recaps and reviews. I just got home from work and am eager to hear what went down.

Just got home. Writing the recap as we speak.

you want a re-cap here it is (in case you dont know already)

Umaga DESTROYED eugene (bet you didnt see that one coming!)
'Fake' Kane defeated kane
Ric Flair won the first to bouts in the best of three bouts against mick foley but then got messed up by foley
RVD beat Edge
Cena beat Sabu by submission
DX embarressed Spirit Squad (they are gay and i hate them)
Orton defeated Angle
i think thats it feel free to correct me if i forgot something

So, with rumors that Edge and Cena are going to have a Summer-long feud, we can safely assume that RVD will lose the belt tomorrow night.

Although it's good to see RVD get at least one successful defense before dropping it, the meeting between him and Cena was kind of depressing. It's like creative team thought "Yes, this way we shall get a Cena and Edge feud, BUT NO WE CANNOT HAVE EDGE BE THE CHAMPION. NO, NO, WE CANNOT HAVE THAT AT ALL!" O.O Considering that, it might not have been so bad for Edge to beat RVD.

Would it kill them to mix up Cena's feuds just a LITTLE BIT?! Even if Cena does regain it repeatedly, it would be nice to see a new champion now and then. Plus, it would look and sound better for both involved in the long run, because then people could call them multi-time champions!

Just one thing you forgot. Carlito got screwed out of the Intercontinental Championship by Nitro. Nitro capitalized on Carlito's Backcracker by pulling Carlito off Benjamin and getting the pin.

I think it also has to do with the internet plastering those house show lineups around where Edge and Carlito were advertised as champs, WWE got mad that their PPV could be spoiled that way. Ugh, why did they make Sabu tap? Why not just lose to an FU? Stupid move. The whole match to me is a giant missed oppurtunity to give Cena the Steve Austin treatment, and a golden oppurtunity to make him seem tougher. But I guess they figured a finish where they piss off all the fans of Sabu (like myself) making us even less likely to ever accept Cena was the way to go. Good move WWE!!! > : (

I ended up going four and three with my predictions. Man I hope Carlito gets in a feud with someone, he has got nothing going on for him.

Hi guys

just a quick question for anyone who saw vengeance, How was Fake Kanes performance in the match?

I saw the first time he done a chockslam and stuffed it up bad. I'd hate to see a person steal Kanes Character if he can't do it right.

Oh and does anyone know why the hell are they getting rid of Paul Burchill pirate gimic. I love it!

ok cya

WWE Vengeance Recap - June 25th, 2006

Tonight was an interesting night, as always. As usual, I headed on down to the local Hooters where the wrestling pay-per-views are shown pro bono, just as long as you buy food and shit while there. I certainly did.

As my friend Andrew and I settle down to our table, we wait for the PPV to start, being forced to listen to a broken record of PPV promos for 45 minutes. Finally, at 8:00, the fun was about to begin!

The DirecTV Show Begins!

This show was very exciting! We got to see the officially official DirecTV logo bouncing around the screen! It was exciting! You didn't know where the logo would bounce next! At one point, even, there were some artifacts on the screen, which the logo was going around and scooping up! Wow!

Huh? What the fuck does this have to do with wrestling? I don't know, either. Point is, the show didn't come on! To best describe this time period, allow me to depict it to you in handy, bullet form:

Handy Bullet-like List of Events
7:25 - Andrew and I arrive
7:59 - We get ready to watch the show
8:00 - DirecTV show comes on
8:00:11 - Annoying guy two tables over yells out "Hey, it's 8:00!"
8:00:14 - My response: "You can tell time! Good job!"
8:04 - Annoying guy yells "It's 8:00! Time to go!"
8:04 - I respond: "Actually, it's 8:04!"
8:10 - Hooters girl gets up on a chair and yells out "ATTENTION, HOOTERS!" I think to myself, "That's an interesting sentence..."

At this point, the Hooters girl says the following: "DirecTV is having problems right now. They said they will have the connection fixed in 10 to 15..." Everyone immediately yells: "BOO!" My friend Nima (at another table) gets his table to start chanting "Free Beer," which in turn gets the whole Hooters establishment to do so.

I didn't get a free beer.

During the time the show was not running, we missed two matches on the card. I won't bother to try to comment on them, so I will just list the results for those of you too lazy to go on www.wwe.com:

Match 1 - Randy Orton vs. Kurt Angle

Result: Randy Orton def. Kurt Angle via Victory

Match 2 - Umaga vs. Eugene

Result: Umaga def. Eugene via Not Being a Retard

That being said, let's get to the point where I was actually able to watch the fucking pay-per-view.

Match 3 - Woo! vs. Bang! Bang! in a best-of-three falls match

I shall note that 15 minutes after the Hooters girl said the connection would be fixed, it wasn't fixed. She lied. However, at 8:31, the connection came on which brought us to the point where Ric Flair was coming into the ring for his match vs. Mick Foley. Naturally, all the patrons at Hooters exploded, with the quintessential idiots going "Woo!" all around the place. Now, I have no problem with going "Woo!" when we see Flair on the TV, but these idiots have no sense of pitch. A bunch of grown men going "Woo!" sounded like an 8-year old girls choir. It pissed me off. I'm sure Ric Flair himself heard it an groaned.

It was at this point where everyone decided that they couldn't hear the match going on and decided to chant (loudly) "WE WANT SOUND!" Now, had these morons realized if they just shut the fuck up they could hear the sounds, it might have restored some of my faith in the intelligence of the general populace. But no. Instead, these idiots decided, "If we chant louder, we might be able to hear the TVs!" Point is, we couldn't hear the first 10 minutes of the fucking show because everyone there were idiots. That being said, let's get to...

Actual Match Commentary

The match was interesting enough. Foley's attempt at actually wrestling in a real match seemed to fail miserably. However, Mr. Socko did manage to make an appearance, apparently dressed like Ric Flair. Needless to say, Ric Flair did NOT approve, and Foley was not able to get the Mandible Claw onto Flair. Instead, Flair managed to (unbeknownst to the referee) have his way with Mick Foley's junk, incapacitating him for a short while.

Ric Flair then proceeded to go to the top rope to make his hopeless attempt at doing a turnbuckle move. Then, to the surprise of the universe, Flair connects to Foley from the top rope! WOW! That has to be the third time in 20 years that he's done that! Hooters was in an uproar, and I almost decked a Hooters girl in the face when I shot my fists in the air through sheer delight.

Foley then took over for a short while and mocked Flair by putting him in to a Figure-Four Leg Lock. Flair countered and managed to roll-up Foley into a pin. Flair had the first point to him.

Foley then got all pissed off, went outside the ring, and got a trash can from under the ring. He was going to hit Flair with it, but instead managed to trip him up with an epic grab-the-leg maneuver and put him in a Figure-Four Leg Lock of his own. The trash can was right behind Foley's head, and instead of tapping out, Foley hit Flair in the head, getting a DQ. That was two points, enough for the win. Flair was happy. Foley was NOT happy.

Foley basically beat the shit out of him after that, taking "Barbie" (baseball bat wrapped with barbed-wire) and hitting him several times. Flair spilled lots o' blood and basically bled a lot after that.

Result: Flair def. Mick Foley (via pinfall, via DQ)

Maria Acts Dumb as Usual

After the match, Maria proceeds to interview Carlito about his policy on those that are uncool. She mentioned that those that don't want to be cool are uncool, as per his description. She also mention that those that don't want to be cool are the ones that end up being cool. Carlito looks at her and basically says, "I have no clue what the fuck you're talking about."

After this, Torrie Wilson comes out and asks Carlito if he wants to hold her puppies. He naturally says yes, after which she gives him two puppies to hold. She and Maria then proceed to rub each other down for no good reason whatsoever. Carlito approves voraciously and is very pissed off when his music started and he had to go.

More recap coming...

Match 4 - Cool vs. Johnny Useless vs. Mama's Boy

I know he's not a mama's boy anymore, but it's still funny. Also, all the fans at Hooters managed to start a chant saying "Where's your Mama?" So funny.

Also, here's another note...is anyone else fucking exhausted by Johnny Nitro's entrance theme? Sure, MNM was okay to deal with, but now it's just annoying. Also, Nitro blocks our view from Melina when she does her leg-split thing into the ring. The Hooters fans actually booed when it happened because he was in the way of the camera shot. LOL.

Anyway, the match was rather blah, with the exception of a few good spots, mostly by Carlito. Nitro looked like he slipped up when he was thrown out of the ring (over-the-top-rope style) since he hit his upper back against the edge of the ring on the way down. As Shelton Benjamin and Nitro play outside the ring for a bit, Carlito decides to administer justice via a nice Moonsault from the turnbuckle all the way onto Nitro and Benjamin outside the ring. Carlito also had an awesome off-the-back roll-up onto Benjamin, but Shelton kicked out.

The true spot of the match was when Nitro was hung upside down on the turnbuckle. Carlito gets up onto the top turnbuckle over Nitro, planning to do some move. Shelton rushes over and gets Carlito when he's up there and proceeds to set up the Superplex. Johnny Nitro comes to and decides to assist Shelton in giving Carlito the Superplex, as he grabbed Shelton by the waist and assisted him down. It was quite the interesting thing to see.

The match eventually ended via a Backbreaker from Carlito to Shelton, which pretty much set him up for the pin. Johnny Nitro, unfortunately, capitalized and won.

So lame.

Result: Johnny Nitro def. Carlito and Shelton Benjamin, acquires Intercontinental Title

Vince McMahon Personal Segment

Vince decides to pep-talk Spirit Fingers, everyone's favorite group. He mentions that DX is a "disease" and Spirit Fingers better be the cure. They then run out all psyched to go out of his office and hang around for another hour until the match actually starts.

Vince then decides to inspect the penis pump on his table which was given to him by DX last week. He picks it up, thinks, then proceeds into the bathroom with it. Ten seconds later, we hear an explosion, and he comes out with green dye all over his face. It was awesome.

Match 5: Edge vs. RVD

Now, here's a thought. The entrance stage was comprised of a big giant "V" in the center (above the entranceway) with two big titantrons to each side. Now, one awesome gimmick that they could have done here was to have a big giant "R" on the left titantron and a big giant "D" on the right one. You can see how awesome this could be.

Anyway, the match was rather standard, but there was a lot of flipping going on. Some match highlights to note: RVD tried to spin kick Edge from the edge of the ring, but ended up missing and hitting himself in the nuts via the security wall. Ouch. Soon thereafter, Edge Powerbombed RVD onto the security wall as well.

Later in the match (back in the ring), RVD had Edge on the mat and was ready to do the Five-Star Frog Splash, but RVD couldn't do so in time. Instead, he tried to spin kick Edge, and hit the referee. Edge naturally goes for the belt right away, but RVD kicks him while holding it. Edge got bloody after that kick. In the end, Edge ended up going into a turnbuckle and destroying Lita (who was, naturally, holding a chair). RVD hits the Five-Star Frog Splash and picks up the win.

Good. Maybe this will be the end of Edge and Lita. Lita needs to stop being a slut and actually do some fucking wrestling for a change. Edge has had help enough.

Result: RVD def. Lita

The EC-Dub Segment

And yes, that's what I'm calling it. The chanters do NOT say the "W", they say "Dub." Anyway, Paul Heyman is in the back with the ECW lumberjacks (I guess). People were so fucking loud after they say Heyman and ECW wrestlers that I couldn't hear a fucking word that was said. This is the complete transcript as I heard it:

*GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* ...John Cena... *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* *GARBLED* ...ECW!
*Everyone cheers*

That's about it.

Match 6: Kane vs. Kane

Ah, yes. Vince McMahon's continuation of this storyline. His big bright idea to convince us that this whole thing was not just a push for See No Evil.

Anyway, Kane comes out and looks all mad. After that, Kane comes out and comes swinging immediately. Despite that, Kane was dominating early on. After that, Kane was able to make a nice counter and lead the fight for a bit. After this, a whole bunch of wrestling happened.

More importantly, I realized that I still have plenty of hot wings, but no more beer. I mean, I can tolerate my capsaicin well enough, but I can't take 5 or 6 strips of three mile island without any beverage at all...

...what's that? The match? Oh, right.

Result: Kane won.

the fake one.

Match 7: Sabu vs. John Seen-It

Now, John Cena got interesting for about three days after he lost the title to RVD at ECW:ONS. He was taking a lot of hits from ECW guys and showed the intestinal fortitude to take the damage. However, it's old already. I really was NOT looking forward to this match. Why? We KNEW that Cena would win. We just knew it! An sure enough, he did.

Some match highlights...Cena's head wasn't as mighty as Sandman's stick. Cena was then was set up by the ECW lumberjacks on a table with a kendo stick on his chest. However, before Sabu could get there, Cena hit him as Sabu came up to the ropes. Soon after, he F-Ued Sabu onto the edge of that table.

Result: What the fuck?

RVD giving props to Cena?

Again, people were LOUD in Hooters, so it was hard to hear. However, RVD basically said he respected Cena and wanted to give him a title shot. WHY? During this lovely dialogue, Cena mentioned that the spinner belt was "his life."

This means two things:

1) John Cena has no life.

2) Cena can be killed by destroying the spinner belt. I suggest we try to destroy it. It might actually fucking end this gimmick of uselessness.