At 11/19/04 10:46 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: There are rumors of a possible ECW return. I'm hoping so.

When I get some money, I am soo buying the ECW: Rise and Fall of ECW. Aw man it's gonna be sweet.

At 11/19/04 04:44 PM, Master_Inuyasha wrote: When I get some money, I am soo buying the ECW: Rise and Fall of ECW. Aw man it's gonna be sweet.

It's worth every penny, it's an awesome, awesome look back at ECW, WWE deserves a lot of credit for going out and letting the true story of ECW be told, and not the "The History of ECW according to the WWE"

At 11/19/04 05:23 PM, The_Redangleprince wrote: Red's Rant

BRILLIANT

Oh! Lets fuck with the tag team division again! Lets make Regal and the Retard champs. Well, it's better than La resistance remaining champs. Wait, no it isn't. But what does it matter, the titles are disgraced, there IS NO Tag Team division anymore.

It was either rhyno and tajiri or hurrincane and rosey

Mohammed Hassan....Mohammed Hassan....This guy can't work the mic. But dammit, I agree with him. even if it is just an angle, America has treated middle eastern Americans like shit these past few years. Don't even try to say that you havn't. because you have.

Arhabs naw I leave to camel riding suicide bomber alone. I discrimante those dirty mexicaos.

Rosey V.s. Nova...... -_- Zzzzzzzzz

have him in reg. match not bullshit simon system infomericals

Oh boy...J.B.L....Not Taker, Guerrero, or Booker T have stopped him. It's sickening. This no talent hack is gaining victories over his superiors.

When they say he was getting a long title reign.

CCC and Jesus. *dances* They is cool, but since I haven't had any cable, theres no way I know if they gots any talent. Does he deserve to be U.S. champ? You tell me. But please, don't let Cena be the one to take it from him.

pleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

sorry6x I dont see SD sat. midnight

Josh Matthews getting his chance to fight! I liked this guy in T.E.1, I picked him to go all the way. I hope he gets a permanent wrestlers position, but not as a jobber. As a heel, BWHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Yeah J.M. has a heel when it snows in cuba.

You want the truth? Well, you just got it. Fuck the Faces, Hazza for Heels!

You want reply w/ quote you have it.

At 11/19/04 06:28 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: It's worth every penny, it's an awesome, awesome look back at ECW, WWE deserves a lot of credit for going out and letting the true story of ECW be told, and not the "The History of ECW according to the WWE"

The only preview I've seen is the one with(I think) Cactus Jack and the other guy calling for chairs. The the whole damn audience throws everysingle one of thier chairs into the ring. Crazy, talk about hardcore fans, and you can't say that about most WWE fans either. I hope they bring it back. I on occasion catch TNA, but it's a snore fest, to boring for me............

i've been to a ecw style show once. it was crazy, on teh ticket is said, bring a weapon, so I did and they collected them all in a garbage can and later when it was time, they brought it all out and they went mad with them. Brawling in the crowd, doing crazy stunts... I miss those shows...

I saw bring ECW back. The hardcore stuff has gone missing and we need a break from the monotany WWE gives us.

I think i might join but im not sure my friend might join because he loves wrestling.

ok then.. When you make up your mind I'll give you a number if you want to join. one for your friend too.

At 11/20/04 12:25 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: I saw bring ECW back. The hardcore stuff has gone missing and we need a break from the monotany WWE gives us.

I agree whole heartedly. Bring back an invasion of hardcore matches dammit, those were fun as hell to watch.

At 11/18/04 08:09 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: no, but there a re some sites that proviode live coverage. They don't show it to you but I think they let you listen to it.. You can't get everything for free...

actually you can on wretlingmedia.ru

I never got to watch ECW, but the wreslers they had sound cool. Like RVD, Tazz, Tommy Dreamer. They are all or were great wrestlers

At 11/20/04 12:40 PM, The_Redangleking wrote: I agree whole heartedly. Bring back an invasion of hardcore matches dammit, those were fun as hell to watch.

It's not just that, I miss being able to watch story lines that were about what it should be about, two guys who hate each other letting it all hang out in the ring. I miss the kind of respect that guys were allowed to show after matches (like Jerry Lynn and RVD). I miss titles that had importance, remember that? Remember when titles mattered people? No, sadly...I'm forgetting too.

People confuse ECW with simply being a hardcore promotion, I went to some of the more organized, later shows (if you watch a tape of the Massacre on 34th street, you can see the back of my head, and my father's hat, only time I ever had floor seats at any show), shows where only one or two guys still did hardcore, and crowd brawls, where you saw more just balls out high risk wrestling. You saw real tag teams fighting it out for the Tag Belts, I love tag wrestling personally, and it's sad as hell that Vince is getting like Bischoff did in WCW where he dosen't seem to know what to do with it, so he's devalueing it. Now's the time to bring ECW back I think, the buzz that's been created by the DVD, and the overall quality and interest the DVD will create, just says to me that now is the time to get the most recognizable guys onto a new ECW, call in guys like Storm and Dreamer who aren't working as much, and set them up as trainers and on air personalities, hell, Tommy can still probably wrestle on occassion, but may in fact have more value in a management role since ultimately, if the brand is going to succeed, and be for real, you have to mix new talent in, and as we all know, we ECW fans were a hard group to please. Put Paul Heyman in charge, he's wasted with Heidenreich, and he's wasted as part of a booking team where his ideas are not valued, and his imput is ignored because he's not towing the company line.

Honestly, Vince has to do something, and I really have always felt like the best way to make the idea of competitive brands work is to simply fold one of them into a legitimate "rival" company, and make it look like they really do hate each other, ECW has the fan base, and while yes, the DVD does acknowledge a lot of what Vince did positive, there's still enough negative ammo that can be grabbed from the past (Triple H over Tazz anyone?) or from the now (Paul E. not being used well on the booking team), to turn ECW and the WWE against each other, and make it believable.

i only got to see one ecw match and that was when rvd won the tv title.

I couldn't agree with you more aviewaskewed. Wrestling in general has gotten lax, and it needs the kick in the ass to get something going. And ECW was one hell of an ass kicker.

At 11/21/04 11:33 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I couldn't agree with you more aviewaskewed. Wrestling in general has gotten lax, and it needs the kick in the ass to get something going. And ECW was one hell of an ass kicker.

It certainly showed the bigger companies they're style needed to change, and now it seems like Vince has forgotten all those lessons and just wants to go for raunchy, tasteless angles, that are never going to draw anyone into watching. He has a creative team that isn't horribly creative to begin with, but is even worse now because Vince has to have his fingerprints all over every show. I think if he folded the Smackdown! brand, and allowed it to run for the most part independently as ECW (what I mean by independently is that he can install a management team and all, but he stays the hell away from it, let's Paul E. book it, and the people he chooses to help him, do their job) and I really think that not only would Vince see his ratings and profits rise, but it would also work as a competitor for RAW, and a way I think to reign Vince in more (which he damn sure needs) and stop him from putting idiotic and offensive things like the current Arab gimmick, or Lita's Miscarriage on television. If he had someone nipping at his heels, threatning him, or even just the perception that someone could, I think the quality of the shows could really improve again.

At 11/21/04 11:33 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: I couldn't agree with you more aviewaskewed. Wrestling in general has gotten lax, and it needs the kick in the ass to get something going. And ECW was one hell of an ass kicker.

Yea, I loved the WCW when it was around, mainly for the fact that people didin't comeout everynight and bitch, that and for Disco Inferno. The WWE just needs to stop letting Evolution, or anyother wrestler from comming out and bitching why they should be such and such, or what they think of something. They only get about 7-8 rounds on RAW. Where if they took out all the retarded whining of wrestlers and interviewers and crap, they could squeeze out close to 14 matches I'm sure.

Yeah, but I don't know, somewhere along the line Vince decided rambling interviews were good. I can deal with a vignette or a good promo, so long as it's pushing the show along, but yeah, when Evolution is out and taking twenty minutes to just say "we rule, and this guy that pissed us off last week is going to get him tonight" well, that's too much, and it's costing guys an oppurtunity to be showcased. Less Evolution and Triple H all over my tv in general would be a blessing.

At 11/22/04 01:25 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: Less Evolution and Triple H all over my tv in general would be a blessing.

How about NO Evolution and HHH. That would make me happy. I myself am a face, I don't really like heels except for Snitzky. I like him cause he's so insane. >:)

hey heels are needed. Wouldn't be all tha fun if it was just faces. Though sometimes it seems like it.

At 11/22/04 07:54 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: hey heels are needed. Wouldn't be all tha fun if it was just faces. Though sometimes it seems like it.

I know, it feels great when a face wins a title in the midle of a show when the heels are winning. The greatest storylines are when the heel person keeps on winning, and winning, then the face overcomes all of the adversity. I love the celebrations when they win a big hard fought match. You can see the emotion they have for wrestling.
But i personally am a face supporter, didnt use to like RKO, but i do now. lol

ohhh your just the kind o' guy red dosen't like. But hey you know what you like.

At 11/22/04 06:23 PM, Outlaw88 wrote: ohhh your just the kind o' guy red dosen't like. But hey you know what you like.

Yea, Reds a heel. *beats* I'm just sick and tired of the stupid whining all the wrestlers do, just shut the fuck up, and wrestle goddamn it!!!

You pulled the wool over may stupid people hhh but I knew it was a haux when hhh was lieing on the floor.
IT was pritty funny how beniot won Spear oops falls out of ring.
And nice monday night football parody at the beginning. Boo who ABC you showed a nakked female.
Omg Molly Go-Round Pin sweet.
I was sad that batista had to take his rage out on y2j why not maven.

HHH keeps the title next. then in two weeks come on y2j

Raw phrase of the day King: Eugene cant remember what he had for lunch.

Would you mind posting a review? I missed RAW, and I don't know who the G.M. was and would like to know please.

At 11/22/04 07:54 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: hey heels are needed. Wouldn't be all tha fun if it was just faces. Though sometimes it seems like it.

This is true, you need heels, GOOD heels, in fact, I'd say a great heel can be more important then a face. Heels are the one's who really have to carry a lot of feuds, since the big money in wrestling is always the son of a bitch heel with the title being chased by the babyface challenger, that chase draws the money, and then comes the payoff at the big show where the face finally up ends the bastard and takes the prize.

It's why Orton will meet, and beat, H at Mania. My only concern is that H will just keep smashing people along the way until Mania comes, putting everything on Orton after he wins the belt, then like Benoit, he'll have a decent run, beat H a few times, but ultimately wind up beaten by The Game again, and pushed down to mid-card status. Triple H has shown a real inability to handle being in a position of power while being a wrestler. He does what's good for Hunter, and not what's good for the company. Frankly, Triple H is a great wrestler, probably one of the best of all time, but you know how he's going to get remembered by 99% of us? He's going to be remembered for the fact that like so many other guys, he got himself into a position of power, then used it to push himself down everyone's throat, running down any guy who could potentially threaten his overness. He devalued the heavyweight title he carried, he hurt the company, and overexposed himself to the point of becoming a joke (fuck, I think even the casual fans gotta be getting an idea of how shit works up in Stamford by now). Like I've heard elsewhere, H can put that title on himself enough times to break Flair's record tenfold (he's stated it's his goal to beat Flair's record) but it's not going to make a lick of difference because from the time he started doing Stephanie, nobody with knowledge of what was going on perceived H as really earning anything he got anymore, he began to get viewed as a guy who was getting things based on where he's at on the political food chain. Paul Levesque (H's real name) is not the draw he was, Vince Mcmahon needs to see that he can't keep relying on guys like Hunter to carry the show, the ratings are telling him so, but he refuses to see that. Hey, won't it be interesting to see what Triple H does when he wins his 30th Heavyweight Title in an empty arena match, and there was no special stipulation to make the arena empty?

well said!
That football parody was great, funniest thing of the night.
Have you noticed that they no longer refer to E&C as brothers? True they aren't in reality but they were storyline wise. I find it strange that they just drop it like that.
Oh god... it happened... they signed Visera to Raw...

WWE NEWS: Big update here, Last night at a SD house show Bob holly beat the crap out of Dupree for real. Here is an eye eitness report and the follow-up report.:

This was the story of the night. Started out fine with Haas and Suzuki in decent back and forth action. Dupree and Holly tag in and something went wrong because Holly starts to shoot on Dupee.

It starts with a front facelock that was definitely not a work and worked itself into a stretch and then Holly dumps Dupree out to ringside and starts potato-ing him with legit punches and kicks. Dupree ducks outside where Holly follows and goes at him hard again with the hardest chair shot I have ever been witness to. He actually THREW the chair into Dupree's head and neck as Dupree offered up his back. At this point Dupree's eye has swelled shut and he has a lot of noticeable bumps on his face. Holly has him on the ground at ringside (right in front of us , we were second row) and proceeds to kick him in the face three or four times. Dupree is covered up, but at least one kick connects. Holly backs off enough for the finish, a Dupree salt shot to Haas on the top turnbuckle (Dupree was yelling at Haas to get his attention for the spot because Holly was after him again) who gets rolled up by Suzuki while Dupree runs for the back with Holly and Finley in tow. This was BRUTAL. Think Matt from TE got it bad? Hopefully they can make up Dupree's face for TV on Tuesday! This was the talk of all the wrestlers, referees, and security for the rest of the night.

the follow up

We've been told that there was a tag team match in Syracuse last night featuring Hardcore Holly & Charlie Haas v. Kenzo Suzuki & Renee Dupree under hardcore rules which got out of hand. Apparently during the match, Holly approached Duepree on the outside and slammed him in the head with a ridiculously stiff chairshot.

Dupree was seen laying in the fetal position next to the ring until Holly came over and just started nailing him repeatedly with some of the hardest punches a fan said he has ever seen.

When Holly was finished and got up, Dupree's left eye and all of the surrounding area was RIDICULOUSLY swollen. Dupree got up and walked over to get his belt, Suzuki makes the pin in the ring and it's over. But, as Dupree is grabbing the belt, Holly is going towards him at which point Rene notices and starts running to the locker room, not in a work type of way but in a I fear for my life type of way, and Holly runs after.

Haas and Suzuki eventually leave.

damn.. I wonder what they'll do...

The most recent update: From www.wrestlezone.com

More has come in (and we expect even more) regarding the Bob Holly/Rene Dupree shoot that broke out at the Smackdown house show on Sunday.

Holly gave Dupree a legit chairshot to the head, legit punches, and legit kicks during the match due to what is believed to be just a case of him snapping over several different issues the two have had backstage over the past few months. As reported earlier, Dupree has a lot of heat on him backstage with a lot of guys, but especially Holly because he was driving Holly's rental car and got a ticket in it. Holly then had to fly to another city to get the ticket taken care of.

Dupree has been a big disappointment within WWF both from the perspective of management who had high hopes for him. It's really hard to imagine that Holly's actions will be considered acceptable by management. We'll keep you posted.

At 11/23/04 08:22 AM, Outlaw88 wrote: Dupree has been a big disappointment within WWF both from the perspective of management who had high hopes for him. It's really hard to imagine that Holly's actions will be considered acceptable by management. We'll keep you posted.

That wouldn't make me sad if Dupree left, I don't care for his attitude and white poodle. That and everytime I turn back around from reading a book from one of his matches, the camera guy is all up on his package. >_< He was and okay guy a first, but now he has gone downhill fast. The last match I saw him in was on Velocity with BookerT, and Booker put him to shame. It was a no contest.

Bob Holly needs to be fired, Perry Saturn was fired after only one incident of shooting on an opponent, and it was on a weekend show that no one watched. Holly has now shot on two people during the course of his time in WWE and frankly, he gives them nothing except a mid-card guy to be thrown at the champion when they're desperate and have no one else. I respect that Vince has tried to help ol' Hardcore and keep him working.

Holly has a chip on his shoulder, that's obvious, Holly feels he has not been allowed to attain the level of success he thought he could. He cannot conduct himself like a professional, he's proven that time and again, and he gets off on proven he's "tough" by beating up guys who put their trust in him in the ring. Hardcore Holly is the worst kind of guy in the business, and it makes me wonder who he fucked or blew to get off the indies in the first place. He should be fired immediately, WWE has been promoting safety, so do the safest thing and fire this hack.

WCW was good but the anounsers were too dramatic

and wats with the rock?he makes a movie and disapears for months when triple H makes on and he didn't go anywere!

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