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Nah tsok. I'm too sleepy to even make sense of what's going on now.

Collab Threads that Should Be Locked
So there's this collab the mods have ignored because they're lazy. It doesn't specify which version of Flash to use, and the idea has been done to death. And most of the pages are just spam and degenerated into an argument about Egoraptor. The thread's even been crossposted in every forum.

So yeah. The mods should lock this thread

Oh it's a slow day today...

At 3/29/08 12:31 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: Collab Threads that Should Be Locked

I lolzed.

Pico
Anyone?

At 3/29/08 12:31 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: So yeah. The mods should lock this thread

At least theres prizes...

At 3/28/08 09:53 PM, DreamworX wrote:

But.. "Your job"? You're 16? ^^

Yeah, but I got a office job a couple of months ago. I just didn't make a new thread about it (*cough* rusty)
And even though it's not making games I'm developing in Flash there so I'm happy.
I decided to quit school.

Sorry if this is a bit personal feel free to turn me down, but how much do you get from it?

At 3/29/08 03:35 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote: I decided to quit school.

Best decision you will EVER make.

At 3/29/08 03:50 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Best decision you will EVER make.

Hobo = Best occupation around.
Haven't you heard? All the cool kids are doing it !

At 3/29/08 04:15 PM, Rudy wrote:

At 3/29/08 03:50 PM, DannyIsOnFire wrote: Best decision you will EVER make.

Hobo = Best occupation around.

Because everyone who leaves school will follow that path.

Please, I don't want to start a discussion about me quitting school and getting a job etc. It pays twice as much as my mothers job. That's all I want to say. END.

At 3/29/08 12:26 AM, Coolio-Niato wrote: Real Life

It's really overrated lately. Comments?

real life is too confusing right now (for me at least)

At 3/29/08 04:39 PM, GuyWithHisComp wrote: Please, I don't want to start a discussion about me quitting school and getting a job etc. It pays twice as much as my mothers job. That's all I want to say. END.

I feel like after highschool it's a waste for some people to go to university that have opportunities. I've gotten a ton of job offers in flash fields, some in places I reallyyyy want to work in, but my parents keep pushing me to get grades I'd use for university.

Ugh, anyone taking university just for the sake of it?

At 3/29/08 04:45 PM, Coolio-Niato wrote: I feel like after highschool it's a waste for some people to go to university that have opportunities. I've gotten a ton of job offers in flash fields, some in places I reallyyyy want to work in, but my parents keep pushing me to get grades I'd use for university.

Ugh, anyone taking university just for the sake of it?

I will eventually go, most likely, in some sort of animation program. The reason I'm not now is because I need to really practice and improve my traditional art to make a good portfolio. I went to Uni for a year, and saw a lot of friends that were changing up programs and deciding to settle with something. I didn't want to just settle for something because I could do it. Not to mention the whole experience stressed me out like crazy.

At 3/29/08 04:45 PM, Coolio-Niato wrote: Ugh, anyone taking university just for the sake of it?

no.

You can be just fine without university/college (depending on your country of origin), but it takes more work. Like if you have the skills necessary then you can make your own business without having to go to university, but running a business is tough. If you're in the right field, then having skills can get you a job even if you don't have a degree.

But at least for my field (console game programming), companies want to see experience before they hire you. However, that puts you in a loop, cause you need experience to get a job but you need a job to get experience. That's why there's entry level jobs where they'll hire you if you have a degree. A degree is sort of a proof that you know what your doing, cause companies don't want to test every single applicant for the job.

In a highly competitive industry, that degree will elevate you above people without the degree. If company A has to choose between person A and B, who have the exact same skills and knowledge and experience (none), but A has a degree and B doesn't, they'll choose A.

When looking for a job, companies don't want someone who can't finish a task, so seeing a dropout record for schooling is a bad thing, even if you have the right skills. That degree you earn is a sign that you can finish what you start, even if it takes years (kind of similar to why being an Eagle Scout helps for job and college applications).

Then again though, if you're starting your own business, and don't think that you need to learn anything else to do so, go ahead.

Also, if I so chose, I could make a living off of flash and drop out of school right now, but I won't, because I like learning and would rather program console games. At least I have a backup plan.

At 3/29/08 04:56 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

Also, if I so chose, I could make a living off of flash and drop out of school right now, but I won't, because I like learning and would rather program console games. At least I have a backup plan.

That last line spoke the most to me out of all of it. You are right about the person A over person B and dropping out doesn't fair well in anyone's eyes, but I see where you are going with this. I know many people who can make a living just off making flash, myself included, but I suppose in time, say 2 or 3 years, this won't appeal to me, and I'll have no backup for what other options I have. Taking Uni after it all would seem a waste of my youth years and by then many of my other friends who went through Uni will have graduated/gotten close to graduating.

Console Games are a field I too would like to explore but for now I'll just be learning Java even though C++ is the standard. It's close enough so meh :P.

Thanks Glaiel for the words of Inspiration.

At 3/29/08 05:43 PM, Coolio-Niato wrote: I know many people who can make a living just off making flash, myself included, but I suppose in time, say 2 or 3 years, this won't appeal to me, and I'll have no backup for what other options I have.

The point of a backup plan is not what you do if you get bored of your current job. You should always have your most ambitious goals at the top (so like you're ideal job preference wouldn't be teacher - garbage man - CEO, it would be CEO - teacher - garbage man).

It's similar to applying to college. You don't apply to [local university] as your top choice and MIT as a backup. When picking a career, put the hardest to reach career as your top choice. Chances are, if you spend too long in a lower level career before deciding to "fall back" on something more ambitious, it won't be there to catch you without a lot of additional work.

It's a lot easier to move down than it is to move up.

If I could make a livin' off flash like you guys, the only thing keeping me in school would be the $200 a month from an orphand fund I get as long as I'm in school.

Thankfully I feel like I've identified my key problems and are trying to improve.
To make a livin' off somethin' ya enjoy doin' should be the main goal of every person I think. If you like taking out the trash then be a garbage man, not the president of some large company or doctor.
I'd choose being some dude on the internet that's semi-e-famous and makes a living off flash game sponsorship, award money, site ad revenue, and merchindise profits over a lawyer, doctor, ceo, and even as a prime minister... any day!

But hey I'm just a poor hick that lives just outside the slums of the 3rd most expensive business city in Canada -- Chilliwack, B.C.

Programming is less complicated than real life. If you want the program to do something, it'll do it without questioning you. If you need to know what it's thinking, it will tell you and won't try to keep it a secret.

Real life for me lately has been a whole lot of trying to guess what people think of me (do they like me as a friend or more than a friend etc...), then once you get an idea something happens to change it completely. I'm almost looking forward to starting anew at college in the fall, but at the same time I don't want high school to end so soon, cause its been a fun 4 years but there's still a lot of stuff I feel like I missed out on.

Anyone else here going to college in fall feel the same way? It's probably just a result of knowing that a huge unavoidable change in my life is coming around the corner, and I'm going to have to try to deal with that without feeling like I'm abandoning everyone I know on this side of the country.

It's even driven me to make a facebook account so I can keep a contact book of everyone I know from highschool when I go off to college.

At 3/29/08 08:05 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: Anyone else here going to college in fall feel the same way?

I look back at my high school days. Sitting in the computer room all day working on whatever the hell i wanted. Didn't go drinking. Didn't take full advantage of being a stupid teenager. But man, college is so much better in every way. Graduated for less then a year and high school is completely out of my system. I could care less about it. So, you have something to look foreward to at least.

Uni
University is not about learning equations or computer languages... it's about learning how to think. Really, you can gain intelligence in life from your own means, but university will show you how to take something and make something of it... something completely different from knowing the GDP of a third-world country or the molecular structure of an organism.

Real Lifey Issues

Well, I'm a year behind you Glaiel, but I feel the same way. I'm taking my SAT soon, then I have to start looking at colleges. It is an odd feeling; I'm excited on being out of high school soon, and I get to meet new people etc, but I like my simple home life not having too much responsibilities.

As for guessing about the way people think about me, thats been my major issue this year. I just moved schools last summer and I'm still adjusting to the difference in social scene. It's so unfamiliar to me that I'm reluctant to try to meet people, afraid they might cast me aside within the social scene.

At 3/29/08 08:13 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Uni
University is not about learning equations or computer languages... it's about learning how to think. Really, you can gain intelligence in life from your own means, but university will show you how to take something and make something of it

ya but still some things are easier to learn through a professor than on your own. If you have a question as to why this piece of code doesn't work, rather than google search through thousands of unrelated forum topics you can ask the professor and he'll be able to help you then and there, so you don't waste time searching for an answer to a specific question that might have never been asked before.

At 3/29/08 08:15 PM, Cheektoghetto wrote:

As for guessing about the way people think about me, thats been my major issue this year. I just moved schools last summer and I'm still adjusting to the difference in social scene. It's so unfamiliar to me that I'm reluctant to try to meet people, afraid they might cast me aside within the social scene.

Social stuff should never really bother anyone. I know people who can't make sense of how they are seen in their schools and w/e and many are too embarassed to not say the "right thing" or act the "right way". Just the sooner you realize you should just you know, let loose and have fun with life, the sooner your social status will grow =) You and I both only have one year of highschool left so I say just make the best of it and go all out. Meeting people is easy!

Also, don't miss out on any school dances. Even if you have no one to go with, it's a ton of fun and makes you more social. I have too many friends that just don't go to dances out of embarrassment, which really sucks.

At 3/29/08 08:15 PM, Cheektoghetto wrote: Real Lifey Issues

Well, I'm a year behind you Glaiel, but I feel the same way. I'm taking my SAT soon, then I have to start looking at colleges. It is an odd feeling; I'm excited on being out of high school soon, and I get to meet new people etc, but I like my simple home life not having too much responsibilities.

As for guessing about the way people think about me, thats been my major issue this year. I just moved schools last summer and I'm still adjusting to the difference in social scene. It's so unfamiliar to me that I'm reluctant to try to meet people, afraid they might cast me aside within the social scene.

It's a lot harder once you're in the social scene, because you run into a loop where (in reference to finding a girlfriend) if you are good friends with someone, then you tend to stay just good friends, but if you don't know someone in the first place, or only know them by name, then it's hard to know if you like them or not until you become good friends. I don't know, maybe I'm just not bold enough to ask cause I fear the awkwardness of both situations.
This whole thought thing i've posted stemmed from a situation that happened 3 weeks ago when a friend of mine broke up, and then I had the feeling that she liked me, but I never knew for sure, and was about ready to ask her out when she hooked up with someone else. Mixed signals galore, showed me how confusing real life can be.

I figure it'll be easier to hook up with someone I just met, in an environment where everyone is looking for new friends (such as the start of college), but I'm not sure. Maybe that'll just make it more awkward instead of easier. I don't know, I'll just have to wait and see even though the whole "wait and see" philosophy hasn't worked well for me in the past, cause you wait, and by the time you see, it's too late. I guess I simply have to be more bold when it comes to meeting new people and socializing, which is my goal for the first bit of college (besides the whole learning thing).

College

I'm really looking forward to it. I got into everywhere I applied (I didn't have super high standards, all were state schools), and I'm going to be going to a decent school.

On top of that, I'm actually going to room with one of my best friends. Now, before everyone starts pointing to every negative story that's happened, my friend and I are enough alike that it shouldn't be a problem. If he had a vagina, I'd try and date him. Plus, we've been tight for a few years. Sadly, my BEST friend is going to a college way far off, which kinda sucks because I won't have someone to ridicule me and berate me for sucking at things he accelerates at... wait... what? Still, I have 2 or 3 friends who are going to go to the same college, so it's looking like it'll be fun.

But I think I'm looking forward to the freedom and new experiences at college.

It's a chance to start over, I guess. I've been a real dick to some people in the past and unfortunately people in my area enjoy holding grudges and being judgmental. Plus, I'd really like to find more people that have common interests with me. Nobody in my school really animates, let alone draws. All the people who draw, really, are uptight snobby bitches who just try and emulate Degas or Picasso and shit. I'm looking forward to meeting new people without my parents looming over my shoulder.

I'm already wary about partying and shit, but that's fine considering all I do is smoke cigarettes. I don't drink, I don't smoke dope, I don't shoot heroine, I don't trip acid or shrooms (but I'm probably gonna try in college, that I'm willing), and all that other shit. Sex is meh. I already get it and it's not that great.

I like the idea of not having 35 hours or mandatory school in a shitty, overcrowded building that smells like mushroom houses and shitty cheap cologne. I won't miss mandatory gym class and my stupid health teachers. I won't miss gay homework, but I'll still have some of that so it's unavoidable.

I'm stoked, and I can't wait to go. I have roughly two and a half months left and then I have "College Training", which is me living with 5 other guys in a one room cabin for 2 months while during the day we teach snotty little kids how to do shit and then during the night we play videogames or harass the local Wawa staff.

In short, I'm excited for this shit. Also, my major right now is Technology Education. Depending on whether or not I can teach Flash and Photoshop and Graphic Design and shit, I might change my major to whatever else Education that is. Worst case, I fall back onto an English Education major, which isn't bad because I like writing.

At 3/29/08 08:37 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: I don't know, I'll just have to wait and see even though the whole "wait and see" philosophy hasn't worked well for me in the past, cause you wait, and by the time you see, it's too late. I guess I simply have to be more bold when it comes to meeting new people

I learned that one this year. Around October I started having feelings for one of my friends, but I wasn't sure of what she thought of me. She was a huge flirt to a lot of guys though, so I wasn't surprised when she started flirting with me. I figured I'd wait for a few weeks and see if anything materialized, but nothing other than that base flirting happened. So I got sick of waiting and finally asked her out. And she said yes.

I think girls like it if you can come up to them, admit you like them, and ask them out. The only problem is does the girl like you enough to give you a chance :P.

At 3/29/08 09:17 PM, Cheektoghetto wrote:

At 3/29/08 08:37 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: I don't know, I'll just have to wait and see even though the whole "wait and see" philosophy hasn't worked well for me in the past, cause you wait, and by the time you see, it's too late. I guess I simply have to be more bold when it comes to meeting new people

I learned that one this year. Around October I started having feelings for one of my friends, but I wasn't sure of what she thought of me. She was a huge flirt to a lot of guys though, so I wasn't surprised when she started flirting with me. I figured I'd wait for a few weeks and see if anything materialized, but nothing other than that base flirting happened. So I got sick of waiting and finally asked her out. And she said yes.

I think girls like it if you can come up to them, admit you like them, and ask them out. The only problem is does the girl like you enough to give you a chance :P.

It's only worse in 2 cases:

First case, you wait and wait and wait and then you get stuck in the "Friend Zone".

ex. I have known a girl for about 4 or 5 years now. She and I are/were great friends. I liked her, but I was to cowardly to ask her out or tell her how I felt (yet we've still managed to make out and be touchy-feely). Regardless, I didn't act at all and when I finally did, she said it'd be weird because she'd feel like she was dating her brother. Then she went on to date about a billion other douchebags and she cries to me whenever she gets dumped. -_-

Second case, you misread the "signals" and ruin a friendship

ex. I've been on Academic Competition team with a girl for about 3 years, but I've known her through friends a little while longer. She's smart, attractive, nice, religious; all the shit I am not. Needless to say, she's an awesome person and of course, I had to develop feelings for her about September of last year. So, I decided to not be a pussy on this one and I asked her out. She said she liked me, but not in that way, and she hoped we could still be friends. That's great, but it doesn't stop a) the way I feel about you or b) that I just made it so that any time we see each other it's automatically awkward. *faicpalm.gif*

So, it's basically Russian Roulette with girls. I think that being able to understand your partner is the only thing that gays can wave above their heads of heteros. >:c It's like a fucking cheatcode.

At 3/29/08 09:27 PM, Radioactive24 wrote: It's like a fucking cheatcode.

A, >, v, ^, <, Square, Circle, White.

But it's more like playing Russian roulette with a completely loaded pistol and hoping one is a dud :P.

I hate the whole high school relationship scene too. It's so full of drama. That girl that I asked out in October is now going out with my best friend. The thing is everyone expects me to care! I don't, they're actually better together than she and I were. Everyone comes up to me and asks me when I'm gonna fight him. They just don't get it...

And my friend could beat me into a pulp, hes 210 pounds of pure muscle and he's trained in USMC hand-to-hand combat.

At 3/29/08 09:27 PM, Radioactive24 wrote: It's only worse in 2 cases:
First case, you wait and wait and wait and then you get stuck in the "Friend Zone".
Second case, you misread the "signals" and ruin a friendship

Which is why i've pretty much decided that I need to ask out someone new a week or 2 after i meet them in college. That way, i can avoid both those situations. If she says no, oh well it won't be awkward cause i don't have any feelings yet and I don't know her well anyway. And if she says yes, then it's good.