Warning : College

Oh one thing i DID want to mention was that you shouldnt get caught up in the college just for the name... it matters slightly but not nearly enough as you think..

Trust me.. you may feel like the shit going to an expensive school but you will DEFINATELY feel it in your wallet once you finish school... and there is nothing worse than having a fucking huge bill to pay as you start your career... so either make sure you have wealthy parents.. or just find a school that you feel comfortable in.. im a firm believer that if you are talented and work hard you can score the same or even better opportunities than someone who went to some fancy shmancy school.

At 12/7/07 12:46 AM, Luis wrote: Also Nogfish is going to Maryland College of art and Design... i also applied there.. its a good school
i dont care for baltimore.. to many black people... omg i sound so racist.

Ahem. Maryland INSTITUTE Collage of Art and Design.
I applied there and got in as well. Their new (Probably after your time, Lu, yeh codger) design building is a fantastic space! I think I definitely would have ended up there if it wasn't in fucking Baltimore...especially the area around the school, not exactly to my taste. But it's closer to DC and thats a plus. One of my best friends who I went to Pratt (brooklyn) Pre-college with goes there and loves it.

mmm ... Gi-go goes to savannah college of art and design... dont know much about it but i heard its good.

Another school you hear a lot about. It's a cool school and I hear the area is beautiful, but one thing to look out for is that it is not acredited. That means if you drop out or transfer none of your credits will be worth anything anywhere...So thats kinda shit. One perk, though, they have fantastic internet radio broadcasts, hahaha.

other schools ive heard good things about is NY school of visual arts.

I got in there as well. Very good school and if you get in your couldn't be in a better location, the heart of Manhattan. I ended up not going though, I don't know why. Munniez, prob.

I didn't get into RISD, which pissed me off because if I had known I wouldn't have spent 20 fucking hours on that god damn bike drawing. If you have any pictures of yours, Luis, I'd LOVE to compare. That is probably one of my favorite drawing I have ever done to date, and it's been thrown away by a fucking school that rejected me. But, all in all I wouldn't have gone either, probably. It's GOT THE FUCKING NAME, I mean it's RISD, it's THE art school to go to.

I couldn't agree more with what you said though, school is what you make it, not the name. Sure, Seth McFarlene is a great example and there are hundreds more who have been enormously successful that came from that school. Still, school is what you make it.

One mindset that I was dead straight on when applying to schools was I am going to be pretty happy where ever I go. I'm an easy going person and while not all of you might feel the same as me, I figured whereever I ended up, even if it was my saftey school, I would have made friends and been happy. I had never been to Philadelphia before I started applying to uArts but I couldn't be happier here and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else in the world.

You all will come to think the same, wherever you end up.

I just had a great discussion with a friend of mine on whether photography is a fine art. It then evolved to if it took the skill level and dedication of a more traditional medium like oil painting. I didn't really have an opinion but it's such a weird topic seeing as how photo seems like a really pick up and take a pretty picture now.

My opinion is still undecided but I thought it might be cool to talk about.

Colleges

I'm finishing up my portfolios right now and doing the required drawings that some schools want like RISD. I'm not exactly sure where I want to go yet but location is probably going to be a pretty big factor in choosing where i want to go...I'll let you know how that goes. It would be pretty awesome to go to a school with another NG reg though :)

RE: Further Education

At 12/7/07 03:29 AM, BritishMoose wrote: You Americans are spoilt for choice. I'm assuming that a vast majority of all the above colleges mentioned are prestigious - there aren't any in Britain, which really pisses me off.

Meh. All our institutions fall into one of four camps. Oxbridge, Redbrick, Plate Glass or Former Polytechnics (in about rough order of prestigiousness and age). I went to a Former Poly which somehow still holds itself as the bastion of European Gaming Education, which I'd believe if some of the lecturers I had weren't half as clueless as I was.

Far as I know America's falls into similar holes - Brown, Yale and Harvard forming the Oxbridge, and everything else slipping somewhere between the three categories.

Projects
My series and game projects are still in the deep brainstorming stage. My website's awaiting me learning AS3 and PV3D. The various projects I've got with Moose and Kirk are slowly moving towards a stage where we can actually talk about them.

At 12/7/07 12:49 AM, Luis wrote:

At 12/7/07 12:47 AM, jmtb02 wrote: -UC Davis

wellllll how do you like it? I almost think it would be cool to make a thread about it and have people provide feedback.. i mean you can only know so much from a few days visiting and from the typical bullshit you'd expect from visiting college websites.

luis you ever heard of CCS?

At 12/7/07 06:46 AM, As-Soul wrote:

wellllll how do you like it? I almost think it would be cool to make a thread about it and have people provide feedback.. i mean you can only know so much from a few days visiting and from the typical bullshit you'd expect from visiting college websites.

luis you ever heard of CCS?

They're aight.

Current Projects
I have started a short animation about the band Oasis because i saw a funny article recently and thought it would be a good short flash.

I'm also in the middle of writing a mafia series which i hope will do well, it'll be ages till i start animating it though.

Current Project
A black and white serious short about a hitman, it will probably be a sequel for an older submission. I was thinking of casting famous (dead) people for the main characters.

I study architecture/urbanism at the Technical University in Delft.

Personally i think the american college system really sucks. Anyone should be allowed to study what he wants if he has the intelligence for it. Separating the wealthy from the poor to only let them have a chance to study what and where they want is plain unfair.
In Holland the government gives every student a monthly amount of money to help out and every university is accesible for anyone with a normal budget. There are even countries in the middle east where all universities are funded by the government and education is accessible for nothing to anyone.

Re: COLLEGE

absolutely ridiculous. thats what i call anyone who goes to a big name school because its a big name school. clearly, youve never taken time to do the studies that going to a big name school will affect your starting salary some measly 5-10%, and that the largest impact on your salary will be your reception to on-the-job training.

college is what is referred to by economists as a "signaling function." they see that not only can you be trained, but that you have the dedication and determination to deal with long term goals and requirements. it really, in the end, is just a piece of paper. the difference is that yours will cost a good $20,000 per year more than mine.

i go to a really nice private university near charlotte, nc. my degree costs $12,000 per year, which the school has awarded me a full-ride (plus some), which means the school pays ME to go to uni. digipen quotes $31,215 per year. basic tuition at MIT is $34,000+ before other costs. and in the end, the difference will be, at most, a $7,000 difference in starting salary...

I study Computer Sciences at the University in Utrecht. It's my first year and I'm liking it so far, the next semester will be focussing more on multimedia and Flash, so I can't wait for that.

At 12/7/07 12:49 AM, Luis wrote:

At 12/7/07 12:47 AM, jmtb02 wrote: -UC Davis

wellllll how do you like it?

Up late two word posts lol.

Anyway, UC Davis is providing an alternative way to learn new media right now, which is through this major called Technocultural Studies. It is a study of the interface of man and machine, making it heavy in technology theory (not like engineering, but like how humans have grown to fear tech or how cyborg theory evolved in the 1970's). But it also starts you off with a foundation in digital media, teaching you Flash, Maya, Dreamweaver, Final Cut, and Protools so you can create your own artwork.

This is NOT a normal digital media major by any means, but you definitely get the leg up on everyone else because you learn the theory of why people use tech and that sort of hubbub, not just teaching you to tween movieclips. You learn about how the media industry really works, and what alternative artwork is hitting the mainstream.

Course list for the major.

Be advised that this is the least commercial that tech art can get. I made a giant video mixer that chopped up video fragments of Christmas and interlaced them into a giant media player, and that was my project one year.

Youtube video for people who don't like to read.

I went to 3 years at BYU (Brigham Young University). It has a fairly well-reknowned animation department. I was accepted into the fine art program, then got rejected from the illustration program, and ended up in art education. Then I dropped out to start a bunch of businesses and haven't gone back to finish off my remaining 2 semesters.

Tuition is subsidized for Mormons, so it was only like $1,800 per semester for me.

This film from the BYU school of technology won the 2004 student Emmy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SEuf_yESkRA
http://www.et.byu.edu/news_emmy.htm

It's just a preview (not the full length film).

It's from 2004, but that was my era at the school so...

One day I'll go back and finish off my useless degree.

colleges
in israel you have to go to the army so you get to college when you are about 23...
and there aren't many colleges...anyway to what

luis about what you said about starting your career in debt what is your day job ?

Work Experience

In about May I have to spend 2 weeks working somewhere as part of a thing we do for school. However we have to arrange it now and I'm no sure what to do. I'm interested in programming though I'm not sure I want to be a games developer. I just don't really want to spend my career doing it, it's a fun hobby though. However I am interested in Engineering, mainly electronics and programming stuff (maybe robots?).

Though I have no idea if there's anything like that where I could get my work experience. I mean a place that develops electronics wouldn't be suitable, because it would be one product and then just being produced in a factory. Any suggestions?

At 12/7/07 12:57 PM, patu1 wrote: colleges
in israel you have to go to the army so you get to college when you are about 23...
and there aren't many colleges...anyway to what

no there's many, and a lot of people say it's better to start at 23 because they already got a good idea of what they want to study.

At 12/7/07 10:38 AM, authorblues wrote: Re: COLLEGE
i go to a really nice private university near charlotte, nc. my degree costs $12,000 per year, which the school has awarded me a full-ride (plus some), which means the school pays ME to go to uni. digipen quotes $31,215 per year. basic tuition at MIT is $34,000+ before other costs. and in the end, the difference will be, at most, a $7,000 difference in starting salary...

I agree, when i applied to risd it was like 30k... theres no way i can afford that... and as i've said you really pay for it when you get out of school... you may be making $7000 more but all that 7 grand is going to goto paying off that school... its a harsh harsh reality the day after you graduated you start to get bills from your school.

Anywho, not to sound like a total negative nancy, i also applied to The School, in chicago which i heard is pretty good.. i never checked it out.

Pratt was too pricey and living in NY is too pricey so those schools were out of the question..

Senti: I think i still have my bike drawing in slide format ... its funny to think back on it... i remember that shit vividly. lmao

At 12/7/07 10:38 AM, authorblues wrote: digipen quotes $31,215 per year. basic tuition at MIT is $34,000+ before other costs. and in the end, the difference will be, at most, a $7,000 difference in starting salary...

When I was looking for a college I didn't worry about salary, I went immediately to the course descriptions and recommended course schedules for certain degrees.

What appealed to me about Digipen was it's reputation, location, and courses. It's right in the heart of the game industry, so it didn't bother me that it's on the west coast. I figure, I'll probably end up there anyway if I want a good job in the game industry, so why not move out there for college anyway. Plus, being in the same town as nintendo and microsoft, they offer internship opportunities in those big name companies.

Also, for course schedules, Digipen appealed to me because it offered most of the normal computer science courses, along with a lot of courses on graphics and simulation programming. In other colleges, their computer science programs had maybe one class on either of those subjects, which is not nearly enough to learn a useful amount. Plus, I love math and physics, and Digipen does have a lot of math and physics courses which sound interesting.

And on reputation, I know it;s not really the most important thing about choosing a college, but when it's basically the only college out there that has a good reputation for it's game design program, (and not just a good reputation, a great reputation), then it does hold a lot of weight.

You might think people are silly for wanting to go to big-name colleges, but remember they earned their reputation somehow. It's not just about starting salary, it's about the quality of the education too.

At 12/7/07 11:38 AM, jmtb02 wrote:
Anyway, UC Davis is providing an alternative way to learn new media right now, which is through this major called Technocultural Studies. It is a study of the interface of man and machine, making it heavy in technology theory (not like engineering, but like how humans have grown to fear tech or how cyborg theory evolved in the 1970's). But it also starts you off with a foundation in digital media, teaching you Flash, Maya, Dreamweaver, Final Cut, and Protools so you can create your own artwork.

This is NOT a normal digital media major by any means, but you definitely get the leg up on everyone else because you learn the theory of why people use tech and that sort of hubbub, not just teaching you to tween movieclips. You learn about how the media industry really works, and what alternative artwork is hitting the mainstream.

That sounds rather interesting. It seems a bit pointless to me to just study how to animate or how to use certain software. Iv thought of maybe studying animation too after i finish architecture, but i fear that i might just get some classes that reproduce what is written down in the animators survival kit. I think that perhaps going to an modern artschool or a school similar to the one you mention in your example may prove to be alot more challenging and useful.

At 12/7/07 12:49 PM, BoMToons wrote: I went to 3 years at BYU (Brigham Young University). It has a fairly well-reknowned animation department. I was accepted into the fine art program, then got rejected from the illustration program, and ended up in art education. Then I dropped out to start a bunch of businesses and haven't gone back to finish off my remaining 2 semesters.

HOLY SHITE! A MORMON SCHOOL! lol wow i want to go there for animation so bad. i saw pajama gladiator, it was great, and i'm excited for their new sterioscopic one that comes out in june!

Anywho, not to sound like a total negative nancy, i also applied to The School, in chicago which i heard is pretty good.. i never checked it out.

i assume you are talking about Columbia. i got in there too, they have a great philosophy on learning.

At 12/7/07 03:47 PM, As-Soul wrote:

At 12/7/07 12:49 PM, BoMToons wrote: I went to 3 years at BYU (Brigham Young University). It has a fairly well-reknowned animation department. I was accepted into the fine art program, then got rejected from the illustration program, and ended up in art education. Then I dropped out to start a bunch of businesses and haven't gone back to finish off my remaining 2 semesters.

HOLY SHITE! A MORMON SCHOOL! lol wow i want to go there for animation so bad. i saw pajama gladiator, it was great, and i'm excited for their new sterioscopic one that comes out in june!

Yes, lots of good stuff coming out of the BYU animation dept. I just found this article about some more recent 3-D animated stuff:

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/63583

AS-Soul: RULDS2?

At 12/7/07 03:58 PM, BoMToons wrote:

AS-Soul: RULDS2?

aRe yoU Learning Disabled or Something too?

....that's not very nice to ask bomtoons

At 12/7/07 04:19 PM, Coaly wrote:

At 12/7/07 03:58 PM, BoMToons wrote:

AS-Soul: RULDS2?

aRe yoU Learning Disabled or Something too?

Lmao.

UN2GL

At 12/7/07 05:04 PM, Cheektoghetto wrote: UN2GL

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At 12/7/07 05:22 PM, Coaly wrote:

At 12/7/07 05:04 PM, Cheektoghetto wrote: UN2GL

UN2SMCAGTFOPLZTX

Lmfao, translate plz?

I'm too lazy, all i see is GTFOPLZ

At 12/7/07 03:49 PM, As-Soul wrote: i assume you are talking about Columbia. i got in there too, they have a great philosophy on learning.

My little sister goes to Columbia currently... i think shes doing a photojournalism major. I just remembered that good for me i still care about my family. lmao

Crap! is there any way to get v cams to work in a quicktime movie?
I have all these camera movements in my newest cartoon and I need to make a version to upload to youtube.

PLEASE! I NEED YOUR HELP!