At 10/21/06 11:34 AM, Paranoia wrote:

At 10/21/06 11:25 AM, Paranoia wrote: I just want people to see and acknowledge my work. To appreciate the work and energy I put in is a bonus, as is to have the frustration of all of those years of being unable to create most of my ideas resolved in some small way.

lol, on second read that sounds really weird and pretentious.

I'd like to make some sort of money out of it too :P To stop people nagging me to get a real job if nothing else.

I think that on some level everyone wants to be acknowledged and as a persons creations are an extension of themselves, I think it's kinda natural to want folk to see your stuff.

Just now, I view most of the things I do as practise in helping me make better stuff. I'd like to ultimately be a games designer, so I see Flash as giving me a chance to make a portfolio.

I'd love to ultimately make games that reach out to people on a level beyond giving a cheap laugh or just entertaining. Stuff that approaches the level of some films and gives folk real food for thought or whatever.

Like that McDonalds game a while back kinda.

And yeah, mebbe I'm a bit arrogant to think I can do such things. But if we don't try, we'll never know.

At 10/21/06 11:44 AM, Paranoia wrote: A day in the life of a Flash creator:

I love how none of that includes actually opening Flash... ^_^

At 10/21/06 10:49 AM, Bezman wrote: Not been posting but reading through all of this.

Just wondering: what do you guys aim to do with your Flash productions? Is it simply to entertain or do you seek to perhaps educate or persuade? Is it just because you have nothing better to do? Are you perhaps making your Flash mainly for your own education? Is there something in the future that you're working towards, that you're slowly trying to pick up the skills for?

Basically - why do you guys bother making Flash games/movies/stuff?

Oh a whole lot of different reasons really. Sometimes i just want to make an entertaining flash (short skirt long jacket) and sometimes i want to make something more personal (renaissance). Sometimes I want to let it open for interpretation (alive) and sometimes i just want to bring something to the thoughts of the viewers and perhaps piss them off a little (autumn tree). Jinas will be all entertainment again but i hope to make some more profound work in the future. I dont know why i make flash. It's just something i do when im feeling creative or have a cool idea. I certainly don't do it to build an e-reputation or become popular on Newgrounds, i couldn't care less about that.

I'm looking to get into Flash development as a full time job, so at the moment anything I do (ie the game) is aiming to improve my portfolio - it needs a lot of improvement after my break from Flash. After that - and the original reason - is entertaining people. Its just a really nice feeling when you know you're making the internet even just a tiny bit more fun.

On the topic of the game, I need a bunch of you to beta test it tomorrow, so if you want to help out, shoot me a PM and I'll send it your way when its ready

Thanks ^_^

Tom~

its a good ideal keep it up1

I'm adding this line because NG reads question marks as blank posts for some reason...

At 10/21/06 12:47 PM, devinbush131 wrote: its a good ideal keep it up1

?

I do flash cause it's fun

Plus, i plan to program videogames as my career so it's kinda like training

I'm learning c++ for that reason also.

Making games is fun

i do flash because girls dont like me.

-hideous monster.

At 10/21/06 12:43 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: On the topic of the game, I need a bunch of you to beta test it tomorrow, so if you want to help out, shoot me a PM and I'll send it your way when its ready

Tom, when are you submitting? I want to make sure we are shooting each other in the foot for game releases (Firestorm and your own).

At 10/21/06 01:15 PM, Luis wrote: i do flash because girls dont like me.

-hideous monster.

I had no idea you were so complex :(

*hugs*

Hmm... I'm spotting some kind of division emerging here. People who want to do this seriously, and people who want to keep it a hobby... wonder how many people will have switched sides in five years time (assuming we're all still here...)

And I'd like to see Firestorm and Islands get released on the same day. It'll be an exceptionally interesting thing to see as the two front-page-guarunteers battle it out for Daily and Weekly 1sts...

At 10/21/06 02:29 PM, KaynSlamdyke wrote: Hmm... I'm spotting some kind of division emerging here. People who want to do this seriously, and people who want to keep it a hobby... wonder how many people will have switched sides in five years time (assuming we're all still here...)

Here's doubting it. I've seen 2 or 3 generations of regs come and go :P

At 10/21/06 02:25 PM, jmtb02 wrote: Tom, when are you submitting? I want to make sure we are shooting each other in the foot for game releases (Firestorm and your own).

Well the original plan was to submit early on sunday, but as with any project, there's been a few setbacks - nothing too major but it now looks as though we'll be submitting monday or tuesday.

Lol, I assume you meant 'aren't' shooting each other in the foot, and I think its best if we submit different days. If you wanna go for sunday thats cool, otherwise we'll have to keep each other up to date with progress

Tom~

At 10/21/06 02:44 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Here's doubting it. I've seen 2 or 3 generations of regs come and go :P

How do you define a generation? :P

I'm second gen, right? I'm an Inglor, Toasty and Ninja boy through and through!

At 10/21/06 02:44 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: Well the original plan was to submit early on sunday, but as with any project, there's been a few setbacks - nothing too major but it now looks as though we'll be submitting monday or tuesday.

lol, we were originally set for last Thursday, but as you said, things always come up. We are ready for a Sunday release, if that's okay. If not, we can wait. Thanks for keeping us up to date, I appreciate it much :).

At 10/21/06 02:51 PM, jmtb02 wrote:

At 10/21/06 02:44 PM, The-Super-Flash-Bros wrote: Well the original plan was to submit early on sunday, but as with any project, there's been a few setbacks - nothing too major but it now looks as though we'll be submitting monday or tuesday.

lol, we were originally set for last Thursday, but as you said, things always come up. We are ready for a Sunday release, if that's okay. If not, we can wait. Thanks for keeping us up to date, I appreciate it much :).

Ok, we definately won't release on sunday - I doubt we could get it done even if we worked through the night. If for some reason you get delayed, I'm sure we'll work something out, but I'll look out for it on sunday - it'll be a good break from the endless testing :)

Tom~

At 10/21/06 02:47 PM, Paranoia wrote: How do you define a generation? :P

I see newgrounds as consisting of three generations of flash artists/people, made a little chart below.

1st generation
Old school artists who were around when the portal was just a baby.. and when there was no blamming or monthly cash awards or none of that shit.

Brian Beaton, Mindchamber, Tommunism, Stamper, manuel fallman, psycho goldfish, edmund, synj, muaa, eric blak, tom fulp.. and others that dont come to mind atm.

2nd generation
These artists started to come into play when flash started really taking off and so alot of em didnt start out as raw as some of the first generation artists did.. if you look at old shit by me and mindchamber and others you'll see something thats very crude by todays standards.. we may even have gotten blammed in todays times.

Krinkels, Illwillpress, umop, marc m, vinnie v, afroninja, knox, sqeezy, alanthebox and othersesss

3rd generation
These are mostly teen artists that are oozing with talent and its somewhat exciting for veterans to sort of see talent being born and catchin it from the beginning.. well to me its exciting. also in the 3rd generation i see it as a full embrace of the flash scene which generated flash professionals to bring their touch to the ng scene.

Adam phillips, gel, and johnny utah, and waaay to many others to list you all know about 'em.

lol...

Like a year and a few months ago I was playing Muscomorpha, and I was like "Wow, cool game" (I'm a real 2D platformer junkie). Then I looked for it again about half a year ago, because it was so awesome, and I was like: "OMG, Luis made the art for this! How cool!"

And now, about five minutes ago, I was playing it again, and I was like: "OMG Neggy made the scripting for this! How the hell did I miss that!?"

Anyone else caught up with some old submission only to realise that someone you didn't recognise at the time actually made it?

At 10/21/06 03:43 PM, Luis wrote:

At 10/21/06 02:47 PM, Paranoia wrote: How do you define a generation? :P

generations

thats very true. Id propably stick michael swain in the 3rd gen as well.

At 10/21/06 04:36 PM, zoy wrote: thats very true. Id propably stick michael swain in the 3rd gen as well.

Is he a swan?

At 10/21/06 04:34 PM, Paranoia wrote: Anyone else caught up with some old submission only to realise that someone you didn't recognise at the time actually made it?

Well for Till death do us part I remember seeing that a long time ago, well a few years when I was about 13 I think (if that's possible), and I thought it was bollocks because I wasn't really intrested in emotional stuff, I think me and a friend where probably hunting for porn in unfamilliar places :). That's quite funny I think, I then remember seeing Luis made it and how it's a bit of a sweet irony.

Note: I don't know what a sweet irony is.

At 10/21/06 04:45 PM, Cybex wrote:

At 10/21/06 04:36 PM, zoy wrote: thats very true. Id propably stick michael swain in the 3rd gen as well.

Is he a swan?

If he is, im still very amazed that he can use a computer, let alone flash and the internet :p

At 10/21/06 10:49 AM, Bezman wrote: Just wondering: what do you guys aim to do with your Flash productions?

Since I've been getting all mushy and honest with you guys, I'll continue.

There are three things humans need to survive. Nurishment, shelter and entertainment.

When you're dirt fucking poor and homeless, you have trouble "buying" any of the above. The food, the government helps with in the form of food stamps. The shelter? Well, there are always compassionate suckers that take you in before your step father robs them blind, or you can sleep on a blanket in the woods if its warm. The third? Well, I've stolen my share of entertainment in the past, mostly books. Lots and lots of stolen books. Why? Because you steal one, and you're entertained for a week.

The only other thing you can do to solve the third problem is to create your own entertainment. I've done it my entire life because I was forced too.

Steal some army men, set them up... use a flipped penny to decide if a shot hit or missed. Dig trenches for them with your hands. Use branches as trees.

Steal some fake ass jewelry from a second hand store, bury it and give your friends a treasure map.

Make a guitar out of carboard and pretend you're in guns and roses.

Write, draw, write draw, write, draw repeat. Pray to Santa that you get a fucking SNES and only get a pack of markers... draw some more. Make comics. Make over 100 different characters.

Make cities and people out of paper in your room. Give them all personalities. Don't worry about friends, you'll be moving in a week or so.

They way I see it, I've been a game designer my entire life.

Then, at the ripe age of 12... my uncle came down to North Carolina, where I was living at the time, brought me to a hobby store and gave me a whopping $50.00. Now, some of the books I had stolen at the other store were part of the Dragonlance series and I loved them. At the hobby store, I saw that dragonlance was actually a game, produced by TSR, who manufactured Dungeons and dragons.

I saw a thing called "The Players Handbook," Some funky ass dice... and a "Dragonlance suppliment." The three of them together were like $45.00. So, I picked them all up. It was something I could teach to people in an hour... didn't cost any additional money. I was free to make up personalities and places. I could be someone else, someone less poor and run people through a world where I controlled everything. I could put them in a place I would love to be. It was the perfect hobby for someone that age, in that situation. I could change my own reality. I could use it to make friends.

I accumulated all kinds of shit. Little miniatures I stole. Suppliments I stole. Aside from a snag in the form of a hippy who thought it was devil worshiping, my mom believer her and BURNING ALL OF MY SHIT...I'm serious here, even though you might not believe me...(I managed to save the orignal players handbook and dice) I've been playing for the last 12 years at least once a week. From 13-16, I played 3-4 times a week.

Every session, you get to be a game designer...

Somewhere in that time span, I found a TSR-80 at a thrift store, thought it was a computer and bought it for $10.00. Learned to program in BASIC. 3000 lines and you forget a fucking period.

I tried to get a job at TSR (when they still were TSR) and talked to some of their paper and pen designers. They told me the same thing. Get a portfolio, write articles for dragon magazine and call us in a few years. (They got bought out by WotC and now hasbro)

Three years ago, I found flash. You mean I can draw shit and program shit and make games with one program?? Fucking sick. Too bad I keep adding and adding and making things more difficult... that's why I haven't released more. I can't be simple anymore.

So, 2 years ago, I was in a slump because my job sucked and my first two tries at college didn't work and I signed back up. I'll have my Game Software Development degree in about a year.

I've been a game developer my entire life.

There's your answer, in the form of a novel. =)

I read and appreciated your story Johnny.

In a satirical VAGUE manner may I add.. your repetition is apauling. 2/10.

At 10/21/06 05:11 PM, Cybex wrote: I read and appreciated your story Johnny.

same here, but am mad that he tricked me into reading a novel. I HATE NOVELS!!!

At 10/21/06 05:11 PM, Cybex wrote: I read and appreciated your story Johnny.

In a satirical VAGUE manner may I add.. your repetition is apauling. 2/10.

I will stab you in the face with an E-pencil.

At 10/21/06 05:19 PM, Johnny wrote: I will stab you in the face with an E-pencil.

No. You. Won't.

How many of you have your countries flag up? I have two British flags up and one England one from Speedway and the World cup..

Yep.

At 10/21/06 05:19 PM, Johnny wrote: I will stab you in the face with an E-pencil.

OGM.

Well Johnny, I gotta say you were really creative. When i was a kid i used to draw all the time, until my brother brought home a SNES, because he is like, 13 years older than me, he had already saved some money to buy one. :)

At least you got through it and are now happy. :D

I assume.

Reminds me sir! Remember i "owe" you a game? I have some kind of old graphics for a game i was making, and its already finished, if you would like to code it? its pretty simple, and i reckon you could do it in a few hours. :D

At 10/21/06 03:43 PM, Luis wrote:
3rd generation
These are mostly teen artists that are oozing with talent and its somewhat exciting for veterans to sort of see talent being born and catchin it from the beginning.. well to me its exciting. also in the 3rd generation i see it as a full embrace of the flash scene which generated flash professionals to bring their touch to the ng scene.

Adam phillips, gel, and johnny utah, and waaay to many others to list you all know about 'em.

All the people you mention here arent teens anymore :) And only because they didnt submit anything to the portal back in 2000 it doesnt mean that they started with flash solely because of newgrounds. When i started with flash 7 years ago, there wasnt even a portal. I mainly used it to design noob webpages with.
The generation classification should be more like this: Older generation: 30+ artists who were animating before flash was around (Adam Phillips, some others), new generation: Mostly the young artists who started animating when flash came around (Almost everyone here).
The flash medium is so new, that it doesnt make sense to talk of 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation yet in my opinion.

well i was refering to it in terms of the site and how its grown.. i know adam has been animating since i was a placenta. i just dont see him as fitting into deep newgrounds history

At 10/21/06 04:54 PM, Johnny wrote: So, 2 years ago, I was in a slump because my job sucked and my first two tries at college didn't work and I signed back up. I'll have my Game Software Development degree in about a year.

I got into Roleplaying after D&D3 got released. Besides, I was one of the kids who got given Vampire first and D&D second.

I actually now have my qualification from Uni that says that I'm qualified to make 3D Models and VR enviornments (it's only got the title Computer Studies though). Too bad no one wants to hire me - normally something to do with not being specialised in a single area.

As far as I know, not a single one of my friends who are graduating this year have jobs in the Games Industry yet either. Although two have set up thier own company. Hope you get a lot more luck than we did.