Infinity
That's the idea. What confuses some people is that infinity itself is not infinite. Because that would be impossible. So it's really x/0 = ~infinity.

At 2/3/07 02:48 AM, Fion wrote: I sorta like the sound of your tape recording theory, but then you'd have to have a certain amount of time after which it would stop recording, go back to the start and record all over again, this I find impossible because there is no universal time, time exists seperately on each individual planet.

Not nessessarily. Once again, that goes off of one of man's concepts: That everything must have a beginning and end. Picture a tape that never had a beginning and will never run out. Or better yet, a circle that just keeps looping without ever stopping.

The hard part about all of this theory talk is that we have all of the concepts of man to wade through. Concepts that we created to put solidy to things we didn't understand. A great example is intellegence.

Man says that humans are the most intellegent being on the planet.
But we base intellegence off of things WE consider intellegent.

If for example, cats came up with the concept of intellegence, humans would be considered morons. They would base intellegence off of ability to rest for the hunt, stalk prey, avoid danger, and attack only using their body.

We suffer from depression, unhappiness, heartache and imperfection, but mainly because of other concepts we've defined.

If we didn't set the standards, there would be no way to measure how poorly we're doing. Who says that anger isn't joy? I feel more alive when I'm angry than I do when I'm happy.

In that light, most animals are more intellegent than humans, if you ask me.

The same goes for time, especially infinity. We see everything having a definitive beginning.

But where did your life start? As a baby? As a sperm? As aminos and protiens in your father and mothers genes? Them as sperm? Them as aminos and protiens in your grandfather's sperm....blah blah... as a collection of nutrients? As single celled organisms? As elements in discord without proper structure? Where did your life "start?" (I'm beginning to hate concepts of "beginning" and "end")

Basically, all of the concepts we've come up with completely jade our ability to think open minded because we're basing all of our thoughts off of ideas created to explain things beyond our understanding.

At 2/3/07 04:30 AM, Johnny wrote: Not nessessarily. Once again, that goes off of one of man's concepts: That everything must have a beginning and end. Picture a tape that never had a beginning and will never run out. Or better yet, a circle that just keeps looping without ever stopping.

But they way I see it a circle must have an end also, we can measure diameters and such therefore there must be a length of a circle, I think your former example would be better with simply no end and no beginning, mostly agreeing with some of your other comments that this is how most things are, simply no beginning no end, just existence.

The hard part about all of this theory talk is that we have all of the concepts of man to wade through. Concepts that we created to put solidy to things we didn't understand. A great example is intellegence.

Man says that humans are the most intellegent being on the planet.
But we base intellegence off of things WE consider intellegent.

If for example, cats came up with the concept of intellegence, humans would be considered morons. They would base intellegence off of ability to rest for the hunt, stalk prey, avoid danger, and attack only using their body.

What you say makes sense but in reality I would consider that this would not be intelligence because the human race has created the concept of intelligence and in that defined it, we basically define intelligence how we see fit and it being created and not debated by any other species makes us the most intelligent and that won't change any time soon.

In that light, most animals are more intellegent than humans, if you ask me.

I dont entirely understand where you got that from, care to explain a little better?

Basically, all of the concepts we've come up with completely jade our ability to think open minded because we're basing all of our thoughts off of ideas created to explain things beyond our understanding.

Well the fact that you think that, in my opinion proves you wrong, if yoyu can go against it obviously it can be done. Your no supreme being not to say your not intelligent or anything but I think that if you can see that humans are jaded by concept then others surely can see this to making it so that we arent so much so. Surely some are, but no where near all.

Hope not to sound too assholey and rude

Time alterring

At 2/3/07 02:48 AM, Fion wrote: After reading various Douglas Adams books I am inclined to agree with you on that one. I think that if time travel were possible (which I dont actually think to be the case) that we would not experience any change in current time situation, everything would just sort of fall into place.

And it's the view in Bill & Ted, ofc ^.^

I love the view on time altering in the Adams books. It's a sort of totally British 'Oh, it'll all work itself out on its own in the end. Let's have a drink!' type of thing.

There's always the Pratchett trousers analogy; when time changes one reality shoots off one way and the original stays the same.

And then there's just the general fact that it's never going to happen anyway so arguing about it is like arguing about how elephants could breathe in space.

At 2/3/07 05:40 AM, Paranoia wrote: And then there's just the general fact that it's never going to happen anyway so arguing about it is like arguing about how elephants could breathe in space.

I gotta make that game.

Time

Freezing time depends on what you think time is.

if you went aorudn the wolrd fast enough to keep the time zone at 12AM then time would not move would it?

if you go by the whole, wolrd sotp spinning idea, then everything on earth would zoom off the face of the earth in a horrendous apocolypic hilerity.

if u go by everyone else freezing in place, that would mean u either go out of phase with the universve, where graivty and the air still exists in a non forzen form, orsomehow everything else inthe univre just stor somehow you beocme able to move so fast that everythign else seems to stand still.

Time travel on the other hand.. thats just paradoxical and complex.

If time travel is possible in our life time, it'd be trvel to the future via stasis. if backwards time travel is possible, no one would do it anyway since thye may alter the future, unless they were ment to go back in time to do that action in order for the future to happen the way it does.

:D

RE: Time Altering

At 2/3/07 05:48 AM, ArthurGhostly wrote:

At 2/3/07 05:40 AM, Paranoia wrote: And then there's just the general fact that it's never going to happen anyway so arguing about it is like arguing about how elephants could breathe in space.

If it gets a trunk extention. It can keep that in the atmosphere, while it's body floats about outside of it. (:

Yeah but even before it technically reaches space there are huge numbers of miles of area where the atmosphere isn't dense enough to support life :P

At 2/3/07 06:10 AM, CitricSquid wrote: Who did you vote for?

I really wish I could vote, hopefully I'm getting closer.

At 2/3/07 06:10 AM, CitricSquid wrote: Who did you vote for?

How did you get to vote? Did you have a front page submission last month?

The ones i remember voting for are LSF, that one about atlantis, corey episode 2 and some other ones.

RE: Monthly voting

At 2/3/07 06:10 AM, CitricSquid wrote: Re : Thread down the shitter?

Wow, been gone 3 day's and the threads going shit.

Monthly voting?

Who did you vote for?

<3 fuzz, cybex and Shirty.

I voted for

on the account I'm depositing for

from memory
1: Drakojan Skies
2: Space duck
Um, I remember I had Cat Fling, and David Firth's entry.
We are Native American Cats
Few more entries I can't seem to remember at the moment

At 2/3/07 06:22 AM, Cybex wrote:

At 2/3/07 06:10 AM, CitricSquid wrote: Who did you vote for?

How did you get to vote?

eitehr he voted or got a pic of someone elses vote :)

i cna't rmeber who i voted for, it was ages ago.

Chibi-Robo!

One of the last great 'cube games is completely sold out.. but i want it :'(

Animation course

has anyone ever done a course in animation at uni or collage, or somehting simular that they would recommend :)?

Only thing at uni i'd image i'd be able to do ;)
:D?

Voting
Nice, i get to vote this month too! First time i have, or at least noticed i can :P

At 2/3/07 06:10 AM, CitricSquid wrote:

<3 fuzz, cybex and Shirty.

Yeah yeah, I appreciate that my coding got noticed XD

At 2/3/07 07:23 AM, Paranoia wrote:

At 2/3/07 06:10 AM, CitricSquid wrote:

<3 fuzz, cybex and Shirty.

Yeah yeah, I appreciate that my coding got noticed XD

Yeah, AS'ers seem to not get noticed as much. I got the pm for someone wanting to host it, i got the pm saying someone liked it alot.. I told him you would appreciate it if he sent the pm to you as well. Did he ever?

At 2/3/07 07:28 AM, fuzz wrote: Yeah, AS'ers seem to not get noticed as much. I got the pm for someone wanting to host it, i got the pm saying someone liked it alot.. I told him you would appreciate it if he sent the pm to you as well. Did he ever?

Doesn't look like it.

It's that whole Neg affair all over again :P

The Tut Collab 07 - Delayed

I've decided to delay the Tut Collab 07 till flash 9s release (unless it isn't released before September.) So that it can be one of the first Flash 9 Tuts and include more information that before, not just the same, redone.

Pm me if you have any Questions. Someone asked me to post this somewhere, sorry fi it's the wrong place :).

Re: Monthlies

I can't vote this month, but good luck to everyone. If i could pick, I'd put Fuzz/Paranoias 1st, Fuzzes other animation 3rd, Shirts Animation 1st, His game 4th, and Cybexs' other one 5th, and i don't know about any others :D.

Sorry if i missed anyone :(.

At 2/2/07 06:40 PM, PinkSkull wrote: If everything is possible then impossibility is possible too, therefore everything is not possible, because impossibility isn't...

That quite depends on your order of definitions, if you define impossibility possibly first, and then all the other things possible, nothing would be impossible and therefore although you defined the impossibility as possible at first, it would automatically be defined as impossible since everything after that is possible and in order to have an impossibility, something needs not to be possible.

^according to this, now, do all problems have solutions?

First prove it to be true.

I'll need to think about the question again, damn toast, you think too deeply to be the spammer everyone says you are, you are confusing me...stop it!

Spamming isn't in my nature, it's in the forum's nature. And besides, I don't spam that much o_O I know I've got my reputation here as a reg spammer but come on, I don't spam a lot. Link me to at least 5 spam posts I've made this week.

At 2/3/07 04:10 AM, OldGust wrote: Everything is NOT possible.

One example of impossibility except impossibility itself please. It was already said that everything is not possible, except if you exclude the impossibility. It's also a bit confusing when you think about it, because when you say everything is possible, I would imagine you're talking about all the terms known and used by us human beings. It's like ignoring the impossibility when you say everything's possible, but aren't there any other terms we don't know of that might be impossible?

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In my theory, if you can modify and alter everything, then everything's possible. Which means that even if you prove that everything's not possible because the impossibility wouldn't be possible, you could just undefine the impossibility and delete it from the human vocabulary. Then it would be technically considered to be true to say 'everything is possible'. Like when someone talked about the example where you're locked in a box that can't be opened and you need to get out, the solution would be to modify its structure to make it breakable, but that's of course if (as mentioned above) you could modify everything.

PS: Has anyone actually read my previous post? :P

At 2/3/07 10:20 AM, Toast wrote: PS: Has anyone actually read my previous post? :P

nope :D!
This whole thread is a bit messed up right now..

shame </3

Fuzz, your game was awesome!!! Nice art and well coded. Good work fuzz.

You weren't bad either, paranoia.

:pinkskull
so in your thory we are all movie clips ????

Logic Questions

These are really starting to hurt my head :P.

My Portfolio
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Opinions are appreciated, please :). Btw, the music player gets songs from my ftp, so it may take time to load. It's taken me 2 hours so far, no loader, so it may take a few secs to load.

At 2/3/07 04:46 AM, Fion wrote: But they way I see it a circle must have an end also, we can measure diameters and such therefore there must be a length of a circle

I meant as in you could keep going around and around. ( Man came up with measurments and numbering systems anyway. =p )

What you say makes sense but in reality I would consider that this would not be intelligence because the human race has created the concept of intelligence and in that defined it, we basically define intelligence how we see fit and it being created and not debated by any other species makes us the most intelligent and that won't change any time soon.

You said exactly what I said. I'm saying if cats determined what was good for the survival of the species, humans would fail. I know humans defined intellegence. Its exactly what I said. I'm saying IF cats conceptualized OUR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT INTELLEGENCE IS.

In that light, most animals are more intellegent than humans, if you ask me.

I dont entirely understand where you got that from, care to explain a little better?

Have you ever seen an anorexic cat on the brink of death, starving itself because it was trying to look like the skeleton of a supermodel on TV?

Ever seen a cat kill itself after being picked on because it wasn't like the rest of the cats?

Ever seen a cat on Ritilin because its momma cat couldn't understand why the baby cat wanted to play instead of stand still and behave?

What if real intellegence is the ability to live a gratifying, satisfying life? If the real conceptual definition is to be happy?

In that light, we'd lose.

Basically, all of the concepts we've come up with completely jade our ability to think open minded because we're basing all of our thoughts off of ideas created to explain things beyond our understanding.

Well the fact that you think that, in my opinion proves you wrong, if yoyu can go against it obviously it can be done.

Not really. There are plenty of times we can see problems, but we can't fix them. If I could turn off my human nature that tells me that everything has a beginning and end, then I would transend to an understanding above humans.

I still have those hard wired beliefs but I can see the flaws in them. I'd love to get completely beyond them and truly understand. Maybe one day, I will. Right now, its kind of like being in a really bad relationship. You can see the problems, but don't really have a solution...yet.

But then again, thats why those concepts were created, wasn't it? To explain what we couldn't COMPLETELY understand.

Hope not to sound too assholey and rude

Nah.

Take another concept, the afterlife into consideration. My thoughts on death? You turn off. There is a point before you have memories and thought, so why is it so outlandish to think that goes away? Do we pride our own existance so much that we have to believe there's something else afterwards? There is no "How am I going to feel?" "What's it going to be like?" There will be no you. Ever been to sleep and not had a dream? Ever been knocked out? No thought. Nothing. I can't even say "blackness" because you have no site. I can't even say "you" because "you" don't exist anymore.

It hard to COMPLETELY imagine that, because we're trying to imagine a point where we won't be able to imagine. We always ask the question "what will it be like?" because that's what our human nature begs us to ask... when there really isn't an answer for that.

No one could describe what it would be like because there would be no sensatation or thought to give it the substance needed to describe something.

At 2/3/07 05:50 AM, Lord-Sonx wrote: Time

Freezing time depends on what you think time is.

I'll give you that.

if you went aorudn the wolrd fast enough to keep the time zone at 12AM then time would not move would it?

The clock not moving wouldn't mean however that seasons didn't change and that you didn't age....so you were balls on with the "depends on what you think time is." statement.

if you go by the whole, wolrd sotp spinning idea, then everything on earth would zoom off the face of the earth in a horrendous apocolypic hilerity.

Depends really. If it just STOPPED, we'd be fucked. The earth is rotating at about 1100 miles per hour and the law of inertia say that objects in motion will stay in motion, so yeah... everything, including moutains and oceans would be ripped right the hell off of the surface. Bedrock and what not would probably remain.

Actually, if it slowly came to a halt over a million years, we'd be fine because the earth has mass. Because it has mass, it has gravity.... regardless of whether or not it stopped spinning. Also, because of its tangital velocity around the sun, we would continue orbiting it. You wouldn't have day night cycles anymore, there would be strange weather effects and the tides would be effected a bit (since the sun does effect them, just not as much as the moon) and other inconviences. We wouldn't fly off of it though.

At 2/3/07 06:58 AM, Lord-Sonx wrote: Animation course

has anyone ever done a course in animation at uni or collage, or somehting simular that they would recommend :)?

Only thing at uni i'd image i'd be able to do ;)

D?

RE: Animation courses

im not as of yet, but i will probably take some when i go to collage next semester (if i pass LA that is). They will be 3D animation courses. I have to say, i do enjoy 2D animation, but it really isn't something i would make a career out of. Im just not good enough an artist for it. Still cant draw deacent chicks. : (

Re: 3d Animation

Modeling also requires alot of art, As you 99% of the time with a complex character draw different parts of the body from two differen't perspectives then scan them into maya or 3d stuido depending on what your using.

And I'd say if anything 3d animation is more tedious then 2d for any complex movement, but that's just my opinion, but starting in 2d will definetly help you, best of luck and you sould take it

Portfolio

UPDATED Please use this to comment, the other one was faulty :(.

3D Animation

I've never tried 3D Modeling, is it harder than general drawing, or equal, or just more fiddly?

At 2/3/07 12:49 PM, Depredation wrote: Opinions are appreciated, please :). Btw, the music player gets songs from my ftp, so it may take time to load. It's taken me 2 hours so far, no loader, so it may take a few secs to load.

Over FTP? Wouldn't that mean including your access in the adress? 'ftp://dep:penis@server.host.tld/public/song'
? Just use your HTTP.
Also the songs are safe to start with play.attachSound ('song.mp3', true); play.start (); as the player takes care of buffering.

Post 300 =)

Re: 3d animation again

its different, it can take 40 hours to fully model rig and weight as well as create blend shapes (used for lip syncing eye blinks and what not) but then you never have to model it again. But the skeletal system in a good 3d model can have 30 to 40 independent joints that you have to be concious of at a time.

I'd say it takes longer but its a different set of skills then 2d animation, but all the practices of exageration squash and stretch hold true so it's usally not to hard a crossover once you get the hang of the program (which can take 80 to 100 hours of fiddling around just to know the basics)

But at this point for me creating to the best of my abilities a 2d animation takes me around a quarter of the time it takes me to make something 3d that's to the best of my abilites. That numer probably changes for people.

Sorry if that got off topic i springboarded from your question.

If your comp has the specs and your a student with around 300 bucks to shell out
try: www.academicsuperstore.com go to 3d animation and look under maya.
It's usually a 3000 dollar program but Alias is really good about student discounts (1000% off)
If your not a student you should definetly take some classes before buying it.

Don't know if I'm 'Reg' enough yet, been kinda hard with school and midterms, but I'd figure I'd comment on some stuff.

Re: Portfolio
Looks pretty simple and nice. I love the reflection effect. However, what part was faulty with the last version? With the newer one, I still can't view the Web Design/Awards/Contact tabs. But it's simple, smooth transitions, and a nice effect. I like it.

Re: Animation Courses
I am in my first year of college now in something completely unrelated to animation in lots of ways, but I have been thinking about it lately. I still have most of the semester to go, but I have been checking out different programs for animation in Canada recently, seeing what kind of stuff there is.

It sounds interesting, but as was mentioned earlier, my problem would also be worrying about whether I could make stuff good enough for a portfolio to get accepted (into good places). I mean, I am sure they don't expect you to be an expert going in, but I wish I knew how good they at least expected you to be.