I don't think throwaways have to be such a bad thing. They could work if we just made sure the process and outcome are fun and worthwhile. Problems I've seen with past attempts at this thing mainly center around:
1) Too big a scope for the time - No one wants these things to be a project. It should be possible to turn out a bare-bones version of the requirements in less than an hour.
2) Too much of a competitive angle. People shouldn't feel like there's no worth in them participating if someone else is just gonna make a "better" one. We should give everyone room for creativity so things can each have their own charm instead of just being a sorted-by-quality list.
3) By the same token, everyone who participates with a sincere effort should get a wee review. I know for sure that the reason I never got into the Weekly Animation challenges at Synj's old forums was because people only really paid attention to the submissions of regulars or outstanding animators. Things come off cliquish, and that really narrows the idea's reach.

Anyway, hope these points are considered.

At 10/10/06 12:00 PM, darc-fayer-bleiz wrote: That would be incredibly fun. We could make a "inscriptions" table. And then some days later, some script to randomize pairings between animators and ASers. Total fun.

Here be the Randomizer!

At 10/10/06 02:53 PM, NegativeONE wrote: Anyway, hope these points are considered.

All excellent points and are important aspects if this is going to succeed.

At 10/10/06 03:02 PM, ViktorH wrote:

At 10/10/06 12:00 PM, darc-fayer-bleiz wrote: That would be incredibly fun. We could make a "inscriptions" table. And then some days later, some script to randomize pairings between animators and ASers. Total fun.

Here be the Randomizer!

Ha, that's pretty cool.

Yeeeeeeaaaahh boy

lets get it started then

At 10/10/06 01:37 PM, Luis wrote:

At 10/10/06 01:31 PM, orb wrote: Also, you never answered my question of whether it would be to make a game out of it or just to add graphics for fun.

Well i was just adding graphics for fun, i think it still has some ways to go if you do plan on turning it into a game, not sure what those pieces are but i think it needs more beef and engagement before you can label it as such.

Yeah I was originally programming it to be a minigame in a crime lord type of game I'm just starting work on with BeaverElfEater. Strangely my usual role of artist has been reversed so that I am the programmer.

At 10/10/06 03:04 PM, DFox wrote: All excellent points and are important aspects if this is going to succeed.

Definatly we gotta take all of this into account.

At 10/10/06 03:02 PM, ViktorH wrote: Here be the Randomizer!

Thats pretty cool! Great going. :D

At 10/10/06 03:34 PM, orb wrote: Strangely my usual role of artist has been reversed so that I am the programmer.

Heh, yeah.
You're doing pretty good though.

At 10/10/06 03:02 PM, ViktorH wrote:

At 10/10/06 12:00 PM, darc-fayer-bleiz wrote: That would be incredibly fun. We could make a "inscriptions" table. And then some days later, some script to randomize pairings between animators and ASers. Total fun.

Here be the Randomizer!

Did I do something wrong? I love the idea, but I entered a bunch of names separated by enters (maybe that's the problem lol... spaces?) and it didn't pair them all.

oh yeah I was supposed to separate by spaces wasn't I.

Silly me.

I'd love to see this idea come through, this looks like it could be a lot of fun.

At 10/10/06 03:43 PM, orb wrote: oh yeah I was supposed to separate by spaces wasn't I.

No, commas.
I said that in the description.

Example,
ActionScripters: ViktorH,orb,liam
Animators: chluaid,Blaze,dElta

RANDOMIZE!!1!

Teams:
ViktorH + DElta
orb + chluaid
liam + Blaze

Just an example.

My bad. I figured it out as soon as I pressed the post button. I figured no big deal. Anyways, I say we do the minigame idea. I say we have one giant game that somehow has a plotline that brings you through tons of minigames that each team makes one of. I say [insert another fight club reference here].

Alright I'm done being annoying, or so I hope.

At 10/10/06 03:50 PM, orb wrote: Alright I'm done being annoying, or so I hope.

That's actually clever, you know.

At 10/10/06 03:45 PM, ViktorH wrote: Just an example.

Damn you made me happy as if Adam actually started coming here and mingling with common folk

At 10/10/06 04:16 PM, Luis wrote: Damn you made me happy as if Adam actually started coming here and mingling with common folk

nothing short of gunpoint would get him down here on a regular basis.

sooooo....when is this godly thread going to be made???

At 10/10/06 05:47 PM, 23450 wrote: sooooo....when is this godly thread going to be made???

As soon as Luis stops being a lazy jerk.

<3

"common folk" lol.

At 10/10/06 05:47 PM, 23450 wrote: sooooo....when is this godly thread going to be made???

Now now. Luis is a patient fellow. After all, he waited a full half hour before starting up Animation Main after I suggested it...

<4 Luis...

I'll do it after my nap. im grumpy right now

Could someone fill me in on the last bagillin pages please? I've been away. What's this new thread were talking about? i'm too lazy to read you see.

In the meantime.... here's a funny pic i found. It's funny because it's true!

At 10/10/06 06:47 PM, reelbigcheese wrote: Could someone fill me in on the last bagillin pages please? I've been away. What's this new thread were talking about? i'm too lazy to read you see.

Here's the basics (hope I got this right):
-we want to somehow create a thread that will give all the regs in the flash forum a joint purpose. We want to give people something to do in their free time rather than just answering noobs all the time, but not something that will take up too much time like a full project
- we want to include both artists and actionscripters, and if possible pair them up for joint efforts
- we are still in the idea phase so I don't think I'm at liberty to say one thing or another about the specifics of whether it would be lots of small things, or whether it would be like a giant collaboration but better, or whether it would be like a contest, or what.
- we want it to be 1338. 'cause 1338>1337

orb you need to work on blockslide

On a side note, what if we had a competition where an animator provides a sprite set and then multiple programmers try their hand at making it into a game, just to see what different people come up with for the same sprite set.

At 10/10/06 08:40 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: orb you need to work on blockslide

On a side note, what if we had a competition where an animator provides a sprite set and then multiple programmers try their hand at making it into a game, just to see what different people come up with for the same sprite set.

Well, that would be good, but as someone already said... It would have to be JUST for fun. Because, well... It would be impossible to submit it to the portal i believe.

i like the original idea better. :D

At 10/10/06 08:40 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote: orb you need to work on blockslide

true.

I like the idea of just throwing together a spriteset maybe a two artist set one does the main char and the other does other random sets.. and having actionscripters do an all you can eat type of thing.. where they can use all or part or whatever to try and build something unique out of it and sort of approach it backwards.

At 10/10/06 10:26 PM, Luis wrote: I like the idea of just throwing together a spriteset maybe a two artist set one does the main char and the other does other random sets.. and having actionscripters do an all you can eat type of thing.. where they can use all or part or whatever to try and build something unique out of it and sort of approach it backwards.

i would see it being kinda limting though. if there is no jumping sprite, the game cannot include jumping (just an example). all the games would be pretty much the same, with only slight differences. or im focusing on this all wrong and it will work out fine...either way im in.

At 10/10/06 10:26 PM, Luis wrote: I like the idea of just throwing together a spriteset maybe a two artist set one does the main char and the other does other random sets.. and having actionscripters do an all you can eat type of thing.. where they can use all or part or whatever to try and build something unique out of it and sort of approach it backwards.

That sounds pretty cool, Luis. I've never done a spriteset before, it sounds like an interesting thing to do and I've been meaning to give another go at doing some game stuff. I hope this works out. Keep hammering out the details and I'll look forward to the thread. =)

well its only as limiting as you make it, im sure people could spin it around to where maybe the main character isnt the one supplied but one of the enemies supplied i dunno im thinking outloud. i think there needs to be more definition of a gameplan before i open the doors to it. otherwise itll fail.

At 10/10/06 10:26 PM, Luis wrote: I like the idea of just throwing together a spriteset maybe a two artist set one does the main char and the other does other random sets.. and having actionscripters do an all you can eat type of thing.. where they can use all or part or whatever to try and build something unique out of it and sort of approach it backwards.

That'd be pretty cool.
Though I was thinking one day, what if there was a giant collab of flash authors to make a a game? A game that is uber complex but done by a bunch of programmers and animators/artists so it would become possible.

At 10/10/06 10:34 PM, JoystickX wrote: Just an idea, would make things fun :)

Yeah that would be fun, but at the same time it's that sorta thing that'll just fall flat on it's face when someone drops out or something. Check out that flash regs collab someone started in the summer (RBC, Fuzz, Cybex.. one of them i think) and you'll sorta see what I mean.

Some sort of zany structure that'd one get people into a routine for game making, and also produce something by the end. So maybe give the team a week for there project, day 1: basic sprites (run, static, jump etc), day 2: backgrounds, day 3: music

etc etc

(btw, no order there, they were just examples).

If we gave ourself a structure that people had to work to i think that'd be good.

At 10/10/06 10:39 PM, Mogly wrote: Some sort of zany structure that'd one get people into a routine for game making, and also produce something by the end. So maybe give the team a week for there project, day 1: basic sprites (run, static, jump etc), day 2: backgrounds, day 3: music

etc etc

(btw, no order there, they were just examples).

If we gave ourself a structure that people had to work to i think that'd be good.

That would also help people who are begginning at animating because all they need to do is make simple animations that are less then a second but they still will be able to make a bunch of them too.

At 10/10/06 10:32 PM, Luis wrote: i dunno im thinking outloud.

You seem to do that alot. :P

Well, i dont know, i still rest by the first idea. I dont like the idea of making spritesheets just for the amazing fun itll be.

we'll settle in on something by this weekend. I Promass.