You guys are just mad cause you never win lol

RE: AGRNY @ AG! ):<

At 12/28/06 09:58 PM, Buzzwerd wrote: You guys are just mad cause you never win lol

actually, we're mad because AG is corrupt and lazy. so FUCK OFF.

):<

Good Forum service

What's a good forum that I could set up that would be mildly easy to make a skin for or easy to find one, that I could set up for my new site?
(doesn't need to be free)

At 12/28/06 10:35 PM, Trunks wrote: Good Forum service

What's a good forum that I could set up that would be mildly easy to make a skin for or easy to find one, that I could set up for my new site?
(doesn't need to be free)

well...when i had my greatboard (which was bought by Forumer) they come packed with really nifty skins. if you aren't against the idea of having a forum not on your domain, try forumer

RE: AG Conundrum

At 12/28/06 10:34 PM, Rammer wrote: actually, we're mad because AG is corrupt and lazy. so FUCK OFF.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that, but I do think their ranking system needs a revamping. The NG scoring system is too wishy washy to be used as basis of a contest, especially with such large awards.

Not even NG themselves use their scoring system as a basis, they use a judges panel. If that doesn't say anything, nothing does.

Re: AG

I liked their other contests where you won money if you got any score above 3.65 i got 50$ for a game from them once..

But when you are making a game to get a reward rather than just for yourself and to improve your skills it gives you an entirely different perspective on what you are creating.. i never enjoyed making the games for the contests as much as just making them just for the comments from people...

At 12/28/06 10:39 PM, Peturo wrote: i never enjoyed making the games for the contests as much as just making them just for the comments from people...

I wouldn't say I only make them for the money, but I can say that it isn't entirely for comments. The NG comments are boring. They are always the same: Good job! lol, This game sux, it needs to be harder, wow, you sux @ flahs, :). I do like to receive feedback, how the game played, what made it bad, and most importantly, how to improve. But the problem with depending on the NG reviewers for these answers is they never come through. If your game isn't popular it goes through judgment and disappears into the abyss that is the portal. If you are lucky you will have a review count in the double digits. And out those, you will be REALLY lucky if any of them are worthwhile. The review system isn't really a review system at all, it's used more for comments than anything else.

/rant

See, I make alot of games. And I love making games, I'm not a big football guy, but I think that must be what it feels like to you see your games score bounce around. So why not make the games I'd be making anyways, and get a little money on the way. If your plan is go out there and try to win a contest, then when you lose you have nothing to look forward to anymore. So if you think the system is flawed, then leave, its almost free money. Plus, if you're good enough where you actually deserve the money, other people whom you may think have a better system will contact you. You can only really win or get nothing, you dont lose anything at all.

RE: AG Conundrum

At 12/28/06 10:46 PM, Buzzwerd wrote: See, I make alot of games. And I love making games, I'm not a big football guy, but I think that must be what it feels like to you see your games score bounce around. So why not make the games I'd be making anyways, and get a little money on the way. If your plan is go out there and try to win a contest, then when you lose you have nothing to look forward to anymore. So if you think the system is flawed, then leave, its almost free money. Plus, if you're good enough where you actually deserve the money, other people whom you may think have a better system will contact you. You can only really win or get nothing, you dont lose anything at all.

i'm not really angry that i lost, i'm angry that people who broke the rules won! like Dingo said, the way they show how the games won really needs to be revamped; the voting system can get insanely corrupt when contests are made from AG.

At 12/28/06 10:46 PM, DingoEatingFuzz wrote: Rant

HA no i meant actual comments from my friends and you guys... not from the little comments box on the submission, those are mostly just spam or people thinking they know how to make games better than you and express all the little problems with the game that could have been changed but seemed too much work at the time and honestly just unnecessary even though i knew they were there and i was hoping no one would notice and then someone shines a bright spotlight on the minor bug and all of a sudden everyone starts commenting on how some minor little detail makes the whole game crap and gives it a review score of like 4 making this game you spent hours on have an average of like 6-7.... ok done.

Re: Good Forum service

i like the vanilla forum from lussumo its a little different to the standard one and looks really neat...

like rammer said, im probably never working with AG anymore since the halloween experience. I made a game with rammer, and im not pissed because i didnt win, hell, im not even THAT pissed because people who didnt deserve it won. I'm mostly pissed at how lame some people be JUST for a prize.

I would bet everything i have that there was at least some moron 0ing all submissions on the halloween collection on sight. I hate that kind of people, the money oriented bitches just wanted a bit of money and since their game couldn't gain it on their own, they 0'd other people's works so that their game had a "higher" score.

Lets face it, the animation and art on Halloween reprisal was EXTREMELY time consuming and stressfull, i put all my heart and soul into that game. And it got in with a freaking 3.50. EVEN Asteroids, which was made in a day got a better score than that, and the artwork was WAY worse than the one on HR.

</rant>

Re: Blaze Rant

Man i know exactly what you mean my christmas game is on 3.27 now and the first day it was on 3.60 every day it has been lowered since... its just annoying what people will do, thats why i also liked the other way better where there was like 3-4 months to submit games and everyone could win a prize cause then it was more just rewarding people for their hard work rather than this highly competitive and lets face it greedy form that it has taken lately...

Hmm. Yes, I know what you mean, but I mean, I bet you vote on your movie and give it a 5. You can only do it once, so one 0 isnt going to do much. Just get your friends to vote 5 on your own, that should work. See the only people that worry me, are people in the contest that proxy. That really pisses me off, and the problem is you cant know who it is. You just watch helplessly as your score drops. That's why I like FP, even though that also lowers your score, other people are scared of getting caught or something. Ive never been proxied while on front page. Its always before or after that it goes down incredibly and steadily.

At 12/28/06 11:23 PM, Buzzwerd wrote: Hmm. Yes, I know what you mean, but I mean, I bet you vote on your movie and give it a 5. You can only do it once, so one 0 isnt going to do much. Just get your friends to vote 5 on your own, that should work. See the only people that worry me, are people in the contest that proxy. That really pisses me off, and the problem is you cant know who it is. You just watch helplessly as your score drops. That's why I like FP, even though that also lowers your score, other people are scared of getting caught or something. Ive never been proxied while on front page. Its always before or after that it goes down incredibly and steadily.

Yes, I'm aware i can five my own submissions, but that's beyond the point. My point is that people shouldn't be 0'ing other people's hard work just for their own glory, it's cheating. I swear, as soon as Halloween Reprisal got in (at around 1 am...), i was überly dissapointed at the score. And not only that, the next morning at around 8 am, i saw the game. Kept refreshing the page and i could see how there was everytime one or two more votes, and the score kept dropping. It got in with around 3.62, in one day, it got down to 3.48.

My friends could probably have helped it get up again, but as i said, it's beyond the point. It's the people that put your work down what frustrate me.

yeah that is really true the games that got on the front page had a lot higher scores than the ones that didnt, (i know that sounds stupid because games on FP normally have higher scores anyway cause they are good but have a look at the other 2 that go on FP, they got 3.16 and 2.84) but overall in that contest it was very low scoring winners.. i mean, 3.40 for 10th place....

heh, AG isn't only about the contests. The real prizes and money come from private sponsorships. No competition from people, nobody desperate enough to sabotage your game so you don't make money, just money for a game. Plus, it doesn't rely on NG score as much for the sponsorship. The base sponsorship for Paths 2 going to be pretty hefty, and only $300 in bonuses is from the NG score.

I know what you mean about the contests though, after Aqua Slug's score was basically destroyed (not that 4.00ish is bad, but compared to other contest entries and the fact that it passed with a 4.4ish score only to fall drastically etc you get the picture), I sent Dan an e-mail about using the NG score as the main judgment criteria for contests.

I can't find the email in my history of 2005 emails in the past year or so, and I can't find his response either, but I believe he mentioned something about offering bonuses for armor game staff picks and stuff, to hopefully even out the effects of the NG's scoring system with some honest judgment. And this was implemented with the halloween and christmas contests.

So basically, I sort of agree with you about the contests and how they are handled and scoring based off of the NG score and such. It's a gamble in the end, which is why most of my contest submissions have been small minigames (aside from aqua slug). The real charm of Armorgames is the sponsorships, not the contests. Sure, the contests are fine and dandy for a beginner, but once you've established a relationship with them, I seriously recomend taking the route of sponsorships, cause it's much less of a gamble than a contest, and it's easy to work out a deal that makes you happy. If you don't like the estimate of $xxx for a game, simply mention that and ask what you could do to raise it to $xxxx for it, dan's pretty flexible when it comes to this stuff. (I recomend talking to dan about estimates, not inglor, cause dan's the one who actually pays you).

Armorgames has been really good to me throughout the past year and a half, and while some aspects of the contests I disagree with, they have still treated me well, and I have no regrets for having them sponsor my games. Just talk to dan about it, he's a pretty flexible guy and doesn't like seeing developers feel the way you did about the haloween contest.

yea well anyone who isnt an ng celebrite gets screwed over. why is that fair.

At 12/28/06 11:46 PM, Luis wrote: yea well anyone who isnt an ng celebrite gets screwed over. why is that fair.

who said it was?

New Posting Style

Did we give up or something?

Anyways...

RE: Armor Games

I think a new system would work GREAT, if only they had a panel of judges selected from the winners of the last contest or handpicked to judge all the games, then it would be much more fair. Frontpage games sometimes are voted on by people who have no idea what a real game is, but had an account and saw the game, played and voted low because they're stupid.

heh

At 12/29/06 12:01 AM, Rammer wrote:

At 12/28/06 11:46 PM, Luis wrote: yea well anyone who isnt an ng celebrite gets screwed over. why is that fair.

who said it was?

bye

:)

Re: AG

Oh, Rammer. Geezus, the guy was a day late. I think the same favor would be extended to you if you were a day late. If you want to be crazy upset at Armor for day late entries and updating their site a bit late, then bring it somewhere else.

jmtb02 vacation
I'll be in Florida tomorrow. Maybe I'll be around, maybe I won't. Don't be going and making "haha jmtb02's gone" threads. I'll be working on the AS Contest #1 on the plane, so get your AS2 skillz ready for January 3 contest (NG Tshirt up for grabs, my treat).

RE: AS Comp

I'm ready, I'm ready, put me in coach!

Flash Forum Class of '06

That is one sexy pic, John. I believe I rofled 9 and a half times. But why am I barfing? :D

Flash Forum Class of '06

Yay, I'm in there, but what the hell am I doing/wearing? lol

At 12/29/06 02:14 AM, Trunks wrote: Flash Forum Class of '06

Yay, I'm in there, but what the hell am I doing/wearing? lol

I believe you're going super sayan :)

Re: 3D stuff

Wow thats impressive, did you actually make it in 3D or is it FBF or actionscript... how did you make it?

At 12/28/06 01:49 PM, PinkSkull wrote: did i miss anyone?

why yes...yes you did

Re: 3d
I'm guessing he coded it because I've done something similar before.
It's called mode7 and it's fairly easy to code. Something like
object.onEnterFrame=function(){
this._yscale=30;
this.obj._rotation+=2;
}
and have a movieclip called obj in it.

At 12/29/06 03:39 AM, Vengeance wrote: Re: 3d
I'm guessing he coded it because I've done something similar before.

Well if he were to do it that way, why not just squish it using the free transform tool and use a motion tween?

RE: Flash Forum Class of '06

At 12/29/06 01:57 AM, DingoEatingFuzz wrote: That is one sexy pic, John. I believe I rofled 9 and a half times. But why am I barfing? :D

You're actually eating fuzz, but yeah, it looks like you are hurling.

And no, I didn't draw any penises anywhere in this picture. Shame on you.

RE: AG Conundrum

At 12/28/06 10:52 PM, Rammer wrote: i'm not really angry that i lost, i'm angry that people who broke the rules won! like Dingo said, the way they show how the games won really needs to be revamped; the voting system can get insanely corrupt when contests are made from AG.

Hang on, you were bitching about this at the time; I feel like resolving it.

I appreciate that it's annoying having your game beaten by one that was submitted late, nut ity was a single day! If it were you who Dan was being flexible for you'd be thrilled. Personally, I'm happy that the AG staff are cool about things like this rather than being total Nazis about deadlines and things. It's not like it was submitted in Easter or anything.

And if you're thinking of the game using copyrighted music, then how much did that really add to the game? It takes like a half hour to go to the audio portal and find some (arguably much more suitable) tracks for your games, which should be a holiday compared to the grueling hours of work you put in prior. The rules about copyrighted songs are generally for the author's protection rather than anything, and so that if the artist does get pissed off and demmand some of the prize money then AG can't say that they didn't give any warning.

At the end of the day, making a game isn't easy. It's silly to act like the hours of work someone put in are totally invalidated because they were a little late finishing, or used a copyrighted song, and only the hours you put in are meaningful.

So stop bitching >:|