At 7/8/13 12:22 AM, egg82 wrote: Say, for example, that something goes wrong and it turns out IE doesn't follow some standard you need it to? Well, you're screwed

No you're not. IE11 still has a user agent; it's just not a comparable one used by all previous versions. It just means that legacy code won't be able to detect IE11. You will still be able to write new code to do it: instead of searching for MSIE in the user agent you will now need to search for the existence of Trident, or rv 11.0, or both. It's incredibly stupid on Microsoft's part (they've been doing a lot of stupid things lately) but it's not impossible to detect IE11.

At 7/8/13 12:22 AM, egg82 wrote: The problem is Microsoft's hiding their browser from anyone trying to code for it. Currently, you're able to say "if IE then do this, else do this" because IE follows its own rules instead of the standards every other browser uses.
With IE 11, they're now hiding their browser so you can no longer say "if IE do this" because apparently they're so confident in their browser that they're going "you don't need to know which browser the client is using" - which is really, really bad for developers.

Actually, it's better to detect if a feature is available than to detect if the browser is IE. After all, there are browsers other than IE, Chrome, Firefox, Opera and Safari that people do use, and they may also lack features that IE lacks.

Nevertheless, I believe Microsoft's move is not aimed at reducing this practice...

I didn't pay much attention to this facebook graph search, and frankly it doesn't seem like it's all that useful in its current stage. I just realised, though, how much of a threat it poses to google and all other general search engines.

Google is amazing in its sheer breadth and size. It mines data from billions upon billions of sources. And yet, to what extent do people really use the power of google? I'd bet that a large portion of google searches are just simple practical every-day life related searches, like looking up restaurants/stores in a certain area, finding doctors, researching information for travel plans. Probably another big portion is to look up answer for common questions like household problems, health issues, etc. Of these two areas, I predict that facebook will completely take over the first one. Google has an immense breadth of sources, but facebook has what really matters: social information about you, and the ability to provide you with search results by using your and your friends' social information. Reliability by using the people you know and trust.

Right now, for example, I am making plans for a holiday in the philippines. As an avid user of google, I am very happy to go look through 20 links, and read up on reviews and articles pertaining to the security ratings and general ratings of every filippino airline. It's not too time consuming for me, but it may be for people who are not as agile with the internet. Now think about facebook graph and what you'll be able to do with it as they keep developing. I am concerned with the security of philippine based airlines. One way is, as I mentioned, to do an exhaustive internet search and read writings of people I don't know (but can trust to varying degrees based on their writing, and on the website in question). Another option is to do a facebook graph search for friends who have flown in the philippines. Which airlines did they choose? Maybe I want to narrow down the search a little bit. Look up only friends whose judgement I trust. Maybe I can, as part of the search options, limit my search to people from a certain group in my university, to a branch at my workplace, to my family, etc.

I think that as the facebook-using world keeps going, facebook is going to own more and more information of better and better quality. In my fantasies, this will fuse with nano computers and a proof that P=NP, to create a climax of the age of information. A race of virtually-omniscient men. (virtually, here, works in both senses of the word ;)). Although -- at that point, the information technology wouldn't really have anything to do with facebook graph search anymore, lol.

At 7/8/13 01:13 AM, Diki wrote: No you're not. IE11 still has a user agent; it's just not a comparable one used by all previous versions. It just means that legacy code won't be able to detect IE11. You will still be able to write new code to do it: instead of searching for MSIE in the user agent you will now need to search for the existence of Trident, or rv 11.0, or both. It's incredibly stupid on Microsoft's part (they've been doing a lot of stupid things lately) but it's not impossible to detect IE11.

I swear I read that they removed "Trident" from the user-agent. Guess not.
They've added "like Gecko" to the end of it, so if you search for "Gecko" first IE'll look like Firefox (or was Firefox GreaseMonkey or something like that?)
Simple solution is to check for Trident first, I suppose.

Also, it looks like searching for features won't work with IE. They've renamed or removed most of their functions that were strange...
Maybe search for DirectX compatibility if you're not into user-agent strings or are working client-side?

At 7/8/13 10:59 AM, Innermike wrote: Funnily enough, I stopped using Facebook well over a year ago and virtually all my friends have dropped it now in favor of a twitter/instagram combo. The way Facebook pushes friendship always felt really gross and artificial to me, whereas I find twitter much more natural. But that's just me, and facebook is a force of nature these days.

I'll quit facebook when @MSGhero gets removed for inactivity. Not sure what their policy is about that, and it's not like I have a trademark on the name.

So I bought a hex-core 3.6 GHz processor (which can be overclocked to 4.1), a 1TB external SSD, a 360 pad, and a studio microphone.
I might buy a capture card or a render card, but i'll need to test the processor out first.

I'm pretty excited :D

At 7/8/13 09:20 PM, egg82 wrote: So I bought a hex-core 3.6 GHz processor (which can be overclocked to 4.1), a 1TB external SSD, a 360 pad, and a studio microphone.
I might buy a capture card or a render card, but i'll need to test the processor out first.

I'm pretty excited :D

What are you planning on doing with any of that?

At 7/8/13 09:26 PM, MSGhero wrote: What are you planning on doing with any of that?

http://www.youtube.com/theEgg82
http://www.twitch.tv/eggy82
/shamelessplug

in all seriousness, it'll be used for gaming/recording, and developing of course. Those three things take up a LOT of resources.
(Seriously, have you ever tried to record with fraps? Goddamn...)

At 7/8/13 09:29 PM, egg82 wrote: in all seriousness, it'll be used for gaming/recording, and developing of course. Those three things take up a LOT of resources.
(Seriously, have you ever tried to record with fraps? Goddamn...)

Yeah...lots of editing with vdub even with the full version of fraps.

At 7/8/13 09:36 PM, MSGhero wrote: Yeah...lots of editing with vdub even with the full version of fraps.

not editing so much as rendering/converting/encoding. Also, I use Audition to edit the vocal track and Premiere to put it together and edit the video.
I also use it to render, but since Premiere just passes it along to Media Encoder, I suppose I use that to render.

I actually noticed fraps slows my system down a significant amount, since it uses most of my HDD's I/O capacity by itself, effectively bottlenecking my entire system. It also dumps firggin' massive files, which I don't entirely have the space for (too many games)
My solution was the external. SSd means faster I/O, and 1TB means it won't be full for a very long time. I might even dump a few games on it, since it's USB3 compatible and I have the ports.

In short, i've been using PlayClaw for things recently. It's not the best software, but it's decent and it uses my processor to compress the frame before it just dumps it on my disk. Even at 100% CPU, everything still runs much faster.
So, i'll need to do some comparisons with each software when I get the new hardware in, since i'm effectively "upgrading" both of them. Yayy, more work.

At 7/8/13 11:25 AM, egg82 wrote: They've added "like Gecko" to the end of it, so if you search for "Gecko" first IE'll look like Firefox (or was Firefox GreaseMonkey or something like that?)

To be fair anyone who sniffs user agents to perform browser detection is doing it wrong anyway.

And it's Firefox that has "Gecko" in its user agent because Gecko is Firefox's rendering engine. Greasemonkey is just an add-on for Firefox to let users install scripts on-the-fly.

At 7/8/13 11:25 AM, egg82 wrote: Also, it looks like searching for features won't work with IE. They've renamed or removed most of their functions that were strange...
Maybe search for DirectX compatibility if you're not into user-agent strings or are working client-side?

The correct way to do it is by using Modernizr. It should eliminate any need for you to write code specific to any one modern browser.

And if you're not writing code for client side then the JavaScript won't be executed in a browser or use the DOM so it won't matter.

This is also incredibly off-topic for the Flash reg lounge. :)

At 7/9/13 01:06 AM, Diki wrote: And it's Firefox that has "Gecko" in its user agent because Gecko is Firefox's rendering engine. Greasemonkey is just an add-on for Firefox to let users install scripts on-the-fly.

Ah, yeah, i'm not as familiar with web browsers as I should be.

The correct way to do it is by using Modernizr. It should eliminate any need for you to write code specific to any one modern browser.

Hopefully it'll work with IE 11 O.o

And if you're not writing code for client side then the JavaScript won't be executed in a browser or use the DOM so it won't matter.

what about HTML5 games? That's my main concern. As much as I really don't give a crap about HTML5, i'm still a tad worried about the devs there.

This is also incredibly off-topic for the Flash reg lounge. :)

mehbeh :3
it'll go back to Flash at some point soon as it always does, it's just kinda dead here and off-topicness seems to work for a small amount of time.

Flash-relatedness

At 7/9/13 06:49 AM, Innermike wrote: Also, screenshot since I can't stop trying to derail this thread.

Excuse me but wtf are you derailing it from? Have you read ANY of the first 2000 pages of this thread? Why are people suddenly behaving like the reg lounge is supposed to be flash related? This is so sudden. I don't recall even one instance of someone making a reference to things having to be flash-related here, or derailing the subject - besides the last 2 pages, where it has been mentioned 3 or 4 times.

This is a flash reg lounge as in a lounge for flash-regs, not a flash-lounge for regs.

I'm a little bummed out with where the reg lounge is atm. The lounge always played a very important part for me in being able to go and start a discussion with a bunch of people about anything that's been on my mind. Lately I can barely incite a short reply or two before whatever subject I bring up is dropped.

At 7/9/13 06:49 AM, Innermike wrote: Anybody know what jobs are easy to get with no work experience that are pretty easy to keep? As in like straightforward, low risk stuff, assuming long hours and a fair bit manual labour is not a problem, just looking for a low barrier to entry (minimum customer interaction is a plus of course).

Also, screenshot since I can't stop trying to derail this thread.

Are you a designer? Then I would suggest: junior designer :P
Where are you based?

At 7/9/13 12:18 PM, Rustygames wrote: Are you a designer? Then I would suggest: junior designer :P
Where are you based?

Know anywhere a programmer can get work?
AS3, Java, OOP PHP with MySQL, JS with JQuery, some C# with XNA, some C++, HTML4 and some 5, CSS3...
And a few others that are so out-of-date they may as well not be mentioned xD

At 7/9/13 02:46 PM, Innermike wrote: Unfortunately I don't think I can go anywhere and say "Uh uhm well I know some computer stuff and like, yeah... :("

That's the problem, really. You can't just say "I know this and this" because nobody believes you without some kind of cert. Which costs money. Which requires a job. Which requires a cert. Which costs money...
Or you need job experience to get a job. Which requires prior experience. Which requires a job. Which requires prior experience...

I recently got turned down for a job at McDonalds so my self-esteem is at an all time low.

Yeah, I applied at over two thousand places here. Got one interview, and no job. This crap's tough x.x

At 7/9/13 03:48 PM, egg82 wrote:

At 7/9/13 02:46 PM, Innermike wrote: Unfortunately I don't think I can go anywhere and say "Uh uhm well I know some computer stuff and like, yeah... :("

That's the problem, really. You can't just say "I know this and this" because nobody believes you without some kind of cert. Which costs money. Which requires a job. Which requires a cert. Which costs money...
Or you need job experience to get a job. Which requires prior experience. Which requires a job. Which requires prior experience...

I recently got turned down for a job at McDonalds so my self-esteem is at an all time low.

Yeah, I applied at over two thousand places here. Got one interview, and no job. This crap's tough x.x

Maybe you should consider trying something else? Maybe your cover letter is too generic? Maybe you come off really immature? maybe you didnt proofread? maybe you come off lacking confidence? I think one of the best things you can do is have someone (or several people) read through your CV/resume and cover letter. Sometimes its easy to overlook stuff.

My general gut is if you've applied to two thousand places and have gotten little bite, then maybe its worth looking into tweaking your system?

I find that you might be able to get in to places via internship. My first job started as an internship and i ended up staying there for almost 10 years. Its a drag to not be instantly IN as a fulltime employee, but if you have little experience then its not a bad option to look into. The small sacrifice of like giving a couple months of the summer and working in from the bottom could yield a bigger payoff down the line.

I created this thread so im always getting notifications in my feed of new replies, so feel free to discuss whatever you want. This thread is more about the one little private community than it is to discuss flash exclusively. I figure we would have run out of topics by now if thats all we did.

At 7/9/13 02:46 PM, Innermike wrote:

Last time I checked you were planning to apply to Imperial college and stuff, did you actually end up applying or are you taking a gap year or have you just decided to forgo college or what?

If you do not mind a little manual labor try landscaping jobs or groundskeeper job at a golf course. Those jobs do not require any experience, they just require you to be able to do the work and lift stuff. Also, since it is manual labor, there maybe multiple openings because most people hate doing those jobs.

At 7/9/13 04:12 PM, Luis wrote: My general gut is if you've applied to two thousand places and have gotten little bite, then maybe its worth looking into tweaking your system?

Never said it wasn't my fault, i'm pretty sure it is :P
Might be that my resume is completely empty. Though that does raise the issue that to get a fuller resume i'd actually have to work somewhere.
Volunteer work always looks good. I did semi-voluntary sales for a company once and managed to sell a product to about 90% of the people at whatever convention-thing we were at. They gave me a job offer, but I was at JC at the time, so I couldn't take it :(

I find that you might be able to get in to places via internship.

Oh, I completely forgot internships exist. Not a whole lot of them out here; at least not advertised well. I'll have to check again.

I created this thread so im always getting notifications in my feed of new replies, so feel free to discuss whatever you want. This thread is more about the one little private community than it is to discuss flash exclusively. I figure we would have run out of topics by now if thats all we did.

I don't really mind the occasional (or not-so-ocassional) off-topic stuff around here. I just enjoy conversations in general because I tend to learn a thing or two.

At 7/9/13 05:19 PM, egg82 wrote: Oh, I completely forgot internships exist. Not a whole lot of them out here; at least not advertised well. I'll have to check again.

I usually keep a pulse on this site: http://www.authenticjobs.com/

They sometimes have pretty cool freelance projects and jobs all over the world. They tend to be 'designer' heavy but there might something in there that might catch your interest.

Also dont be shy about using self projects in your resume/portfolio. Particularly if you are new to the professional world. Most places welcome and appreciate it, as they more or less have to judge whether you are worth while purely on what they see. Most (good) places are after people who are good thinkers and genuinely interested in growing. I remember alot of people here in this lounge having all sorts of experiments and explorations. Game Jam's could also work. I still use some of my collaborative stuff I've done here in my portfolio, not necessarily stuff I was doing on the clock. Its mostly stuff I'm proud of and represents my interests and passions and stuff.

I need to find me an internship for next summer, sitting around all day is boring. I'm taking an online class that's part of my CS minor, but it's more of an annoyance since it's just twice a week. I did some research this past spring, and the prof said that looks really good on resumes. I guess the other thing is that I should apply to more places, even if they aren't in the Texas through Georgia region which I'd prefer.

There's an internship/co-op fair in Septemberish, but you have to be a grad/masters/phd level for them to hire you on the spot. Hopefully I can get an interview this time around...

At 7/9/13 01:18 AM, egg82 wrote: what about HTML5 games? That's my main concern. As much as I really don't give a crap about HTML5, i'm still a tad worried about the devs there.

HTML5 games are just basic JavaScript being used to manipulate images in a canvas element. It will work fine. Even in IE.
You also should care about HTML5. It's going to take over Flash (and about fucking time Flash went away).

At 7/9/13 02:46 PM, Innermike wrote: I recently got turned down for a job at McDonalds so my self-esteem is at an all time low.

Keep in mind that if you make yourself seem too intelligent or qualified you are less likely to be hired for menial labour such as McDonald's because you wouldn't be expected to stick around as smart people tend to get good jobs faster than stupid people.

At 7/9/13 03:48 PM, egg82 wrote: That's the problem, really. You can't just say "I know this and this" because nobody believes you without some kind of cert.

That's why you should make a portfolio. It's how I've gotten programming jobs without any certification (I also wouldn't want to work somewhere that considers certification to be valuable).

At 7/9/13 08:09 PM, Innermike wrote: ALSO
I keep forgetting to ask but does anyone have the grey star image thing you can use to feign icon transparency? Like egg82's but just plain grey.

you're in luck, that's the one I actually have

At 7/9/13 08:09 PM, Innermike wrote: I started to realize that I probably would make terrible use of time and just end up wasting copious amounts of time and money, I suck at being in education.

Good on you for realising this before you applied. Pretty much everyone I knew from my college course started uni and dropped out before their final year exams.

I decided it would just make more sense to spend maybe a year or two (or more who knows) doing something that isn't too mentally straining and build up an actual portfolio of work in any free time I have then go from there. I know it's not much of a plan but ech.

Freelance work might be something to fill your time and give you a start to your portfolio. It's good because once you get your foot in the door, your client list only grows. But not web design freelance. God, don't do that.

At 7/9/13 05:52 PM, MSGhero wrote: I need to find me an internship for next summer, sitting around all day is boring.

I've always been wary of internships for some reason. I'd feel like I was being exploited even though I know I'd benefit a great deal from the experience.

At 7/9/13 08:32 PM, Sam wrote: I've always been wary of internships for some reason. I'd feel like I was being exploited even though I know I'd benefit a great deal from the experience.

One of my friends got one at VMWare, and they start interns at $40/hr or so. Of course, only silicon valley- and petroleum-based companies will offer that. Honestly, I'd be ok with pretty much anything for now just to see what areas I want to eventually work in.

They wouldn't let him on their starcraft 2 team cuz it could be viewed as paying him to play on their team.

Also Sam (and Glaiel if you're lurking), the video games forum brought up a ng dota 2 guild.

At 7/9/13 08:43 PM, MSGhero wrote: One of my friends got one at VMWare, and they start interns at $40/hr or so.

holy fuck!

At 7/9/13 11:33 PM, egg82 wrote:

At 7/9/13 08:43 PM, MSGhero wrote: One of my friends got one at VMWare, and they start interns at $40/hr or so.

holy fuck!

Didn't expect that would amaze you... They're bankrupt to this guy, considering that it's the "old ugly deprecated PHP"..

At 7/10/13 12:05 AM, TheNavigat wrote: Didn't expect that would amaze you... They're bankrupt to this guy, considering that it's the "old ugly deprecated PHP"..

so you're telling me that I can code better PHP than he can, and he's getting $170 an hour, and i'm jobless?
this just in: up is down, and backwards is really forwards. Hah, tricked you!

At 7/9/13 08:32 PM, Sam wrote:

At 7/9/13 08:09 PM, Innermike wrote: I started to realize that I probably would make terrible use of time and just end up wasting copious amounts of time and money, I suck at being in education.

Good on you for realising this before you applied. Pretty much everyone I knew from my college course started uni and dropped out before their final year exams.

hmm.. i dunno im kinda biased but i dunno if not going to college works for everyone. i HATED it but i found alot of good networking to come from it. I found college to be not as competitive as i thought. (i went to art school so maybe i was spoiled). i wouldnt necessarily recommend someone give up on college. Unless youre like a toast or some super smart mother fucker who has no need for human interaction then yea dont bother. But i think there's some value in going. Whether its enough value to warrant the price, well thats a personal decision really.