At 6/14/10 05:00 AM, citricsquid wrote: school is not about teaching you things, it's about teaching you how to learn.

It's not. The only thing it teaches is to sit on your ass and take bullshit. It might be appropriate preparation for many for what they're going to be doing the rest of their life, but it has nothing on real learning.
The things you do in your free time are learning.

At 6/14/10 07:08 AM, citricsquid wrote: isn't the difference that math is "absolute". It's based on a few absolute principles

These principles are called axioms. To prove things in math, you need to take a set of axioms from which you can compose theorems, the axioms comprise a theory, and theorems are truths that can be proven within the theory. Theories are thus like objects that you can compare to see what difference the difference in their axioms makes.
Up till the twentieth century, mathematicians were looking for the 'ultimate' set of axioms that could be used to prove all truths. The theory would thus be 'complete'. They also had to take care not to accidentally include an axiom that would allow contradictory truths to be derived from the theory, because this would make the theory 'inconsistent'.
Then Godel used arithmetic to prove that there is no consistent complete theory. This led to a high suicide rate among mathematicians in the thirties.

But thus the entire point is that there are no 'absolute principles'. So there isn't an ultimate reason for 1+1=2, but you need to adopt a theory to work with symbols, and with any reasonable theory the equality would be a fact.

And there are more interesting questions in math, like P versus NP and the Curry-Howard correspondence. Give me your best guess about those and I'll explain them too. :p

At 6/14/10 08:55 AM, citricsquid wrote: fuck math

Clearly you find math DREADFUL criticsquid

Tom-

At 6/14/10 09:13 AM, Toast wrote: does it?

If I could argue with that then I'd have too much spare time.

I love seeing so many football games in the portal :) Games like this one is my guilty pleasure, I can play them for ages

At 6/14/10 01:40 PM, knugen wrote: I love seeing so many football games in the portal :) Games like this one is my guilty pleasure, I can play them for ages

I was on a 1000 streak and the ball went right between my two gloves. what the FUUCK

thanks a lot knugen, there goes my night. im not gonna be able to let go of this before i get a perfect score at least on the first level.

At 6/13/10 11:20 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 6/13/10 07:06 PM, Archon68 wrote: Evolution is a theory

evolution IS a theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#List _of_notable_theories

It is also a fact. Sort of.
We can observe the process of evolution for one, which may be what Archon was getting at. In just the same way that gravity is both a fact and a theory - we observe a mechanism or process and name it, before theorising on how it happens. The Wikipedia article linked above explains it better than me (it must have also been where I got the link to gravity - I read it years ago).
By no means is it wrong to call it a theory, but Archon isn't wrong to say that some of it is fact (although he could have worded it better).

At 6/14/10 09:13 AM, Toast wrote: does it?

"From this proposition it will follow, when arithmetical addition has been defined, that 1 + 1 = 2"
Whoops! They couldn't define addition!
We're still stuck with that sense of uncertainty that 1 + 1 may not equal 2. Well, not quite - I think addition has since been proven. But as Gust said, Godel then came along and ruined it all by saying that all their work didn't actually prove anything. Well, not in the way that they thought it did.

Anyway, enough maths talk. I'm revising for a maths exam and I know nothing (as the above makes clear to anyone who actually knows this stuff).

This sort of drama plays itself out in physics almost everyday. Ask anyone who put all their eggs into unified field theory, or string theory for that matter. It may be all very well and true, but to think it will explain everything (like Ken-star likes to say), or be immune from invalidation in 12 hours, is a complete falsehood.

Here's Doc's axiom : Physicists should not deal in absolutes. If they can't fight the urge, they should become accountants. The end. :D

At 6/13/10 11:20 PM, Glaiel-Gamer wrote:

At 6/13/10 07:06 PM, Archon68 wrote: Evolution is a theory

evolution IS a theory
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory#List _of_notable_theories

Because I base my knowledge of the world on what Wikipedia says is true. Also, great job misquoting me.

At 6/14/10 03:37 PM, Doomsday-One wrote: It is also a fact. Sort of.
We can observe the process of evolution for one, which may be what Archon was getting at.

That is exactly what I was getting at.

Evolution is basically defined as a change in a population over time. Anyone who says otherwise is a complete moron--you'd have to be blind to think that everything is exactly the same as it was before and ever will be. This part of evolution has been proven.

Natural selection is also, at its roots, a fact. It has been proven that "survival of the fittest" pretty much governs nature. Now, by "fitness" I of course mean the ability of an organism to pass on its genes.

The part of evolution that tends to be more of a theory is that the part of evolution that has been proven can lead to speciation. Sure, it makes perfect sense that, if divided, one species could turn into multiple species over a long period of time, but it has not yet been proven. It is also a theory that all organisms originated from a single common ancestor. Again, completely plausible yet unproven.

I didn't think I needed to explain all of this, but apparently I overestimated most of you.

This videoseems to explain a substantial amount of evolution. Although, like every science talk given at these conferences, they have to dumb everything down and shorten it to fit it into the talk. They never go into too much detail.

At 6/14/10 04:38 PM, HDXmike wrote: on another note who saw the live e3 thing today on youtube, ive always been a strict PS3 person but grab my nuts and call me shmoomple ive been converted to an 360 guy , the new console looks like a beast and its shipping in a few days. But mostly its because im a complete sucker for fable :3

Link(s)?

Just you wait, Sony will have something to knock your socks off later in the week.

At 6/14/10 04:38 PM, HDXmike wrote: on another note who saw the live e3 thing today on youtube, ive always been a strict PS3 person but grab my nuts and call me shmoomple ive been converted to an 360 guy , the new console looks like a beast and its shipping in a few days. But mostly its because im a complete sucker for fable :3

The new console is pretty much the same as the current one, only smaller... Maybe I'm just getting old and cranky, but gaming isn't as good as it used to be :/ I wonder what Sony comes up with tomorrow. MS seems to be all over the Wii casual crowd nowadays, I hope Sony doesn't follow.

At 6/14/10 04:57 PM, HDXmike wrote:

At 6/14/10 04:43 PM, Archon68 wrote: Just you wait, Sony will have something to knock your socks off later in the week.

shit ben i shouldve known , if Microsoft came up with that god knows what sony will come up with ? rainbow cookie dispencer PS3 app perhaps ?

You forgot to attach your SarcMark.

But really, Sony's bound to have something amazing up their sleeves. Besides, from what I saw of the "new" XBOX, it is centered around the youth and the elderly, rather than hardcore gamers. Sony is sure to follow with the PSMove, but there's no telling what else they'll have. Don't switch to the dark side before you see what Sony has in store.

At 6/14/10 04:24 PM, Archon68 wrote: I didn't think I needed to explain all of this, but apparently I overestimated most of you.

No, we just know the truth. Want to see how deep this rabbit hole goes?

At 6/14/10 04:18 PM, HDXmike wrote:

At 6/14/10 03:37 PM, Doomsday-One wrote: as Gust said

I cant even count how many times I've seen that

Sorry, do I say that often? Or do you mean people in general? I have this funny feeling that I've said it before.

At 6/14/10 04:38 PM, HDXmike wrote: But mostly its because im a complete sucker for fable :3

My girlfriend loves Fable. It's quite possibly the only 'proper' game that she does like. Give her any other RPG and she doesn't like it due to the camera viewpoint or something stupid like that.
Anyway, I haven't seen the thing yet (I'll probably do so tomorrow), but the Fable series leaves me feeling worried that the game will just completely break. A (from what I saw) large number of not-uncommon game-breaking bugs exist in Fable II which are yet to be patched, and what appears to be such a half-hearted approach to customer support will leave me feeling a little sick in the mouth when it comes to deciding whether or not to get the sequel.

my beef with sony is anytime they have something 'awesome' its way overpriced. That goes beyond their console. Their vaio laptops, their digital camcorders, etc.

At 6/14/10 04:59 PM, Xeptic wrote:

:MS seems to be all over the Wii casual crowd nowadays, I hope Sony doesn't follow.

Playstation Move, same idea as natal and the wiimote, originality!

Oh and there expensive ass 3d tv's that will cost £1400 upwards (I guess that's around $2000). i can't see 3d tv's lifting off while the need to wear silly glasses is needed. I like all the banners around the world cup stadiums ''imagine football in 3d''. Imagine having a wee party at yer house inviting all yer mates round only to find yer 1 pair of specs short! The poor sod will have to watch a blurry game!
I don't think we are ready for 3d tv's, the specs for me are to much hassle for family living room use.

Most of the movies that are coming in out in 3d really don't need it. It's nice I guess, but it seems like a "goto" device that shitty directors are using to distract the masses from their hole ridden plots, sub-par acting, and glaring unoriginality. This phenomenon proliferating on the small screen is straight up terrifying. I loved SantoNinoDeCebu's scenario of the arsed out guy at the flat, sans special glasses. The only way you could con a UK mate into watch blurry footy, is with tons of liquor. No eyeglasses required.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again:

Until 3D HD broadcasts happen on contact lenses, I couldn't a give a toss about it.

PS, I'd really a DVR for my brain too.

:)

At 6/14/10 09:47 PM, SantoNinoDeCebu wrote: i can't see 3d tv's lifting off while the need to wear silly glasses is needed.

3D contact lenses surgically implanted at birth ftw.

Eh, Microsofts conference for the most part was terrible but great to watch, anyone catch the amazing high five between Kojima and his bro?

Let the drooling begin:

At 6/15/10 01:30 AM, BoMToons wrote: Let the drooling begin:

drools all over it, nice and sticky.

At 6/15/10 07:18 AM, citricsquid wrote: that is a very sexy green wheely bin bomtoons.

sure smells like /b/ in here

I just made this for my product design coursework, it works well and it got me 100% for the marks so i'm pretty pleased with it. What do you think?

ecoSpeaker

The ecoSpeaker is the answer to sustainable portable music. The ecoSpeaker is a fully solar powered unit that plays all your music from no physical power input. The body is made from oak, sourced from a sustainable forest. It's water resistant, shock proof, magnetic field resistant and UV resistant, so feel free to leave it in the sun as long as you like! You can play music even if there is no charge, internal lead-free batteries hold enough charge to play hours of music. From the 3 powerful speakers you can get full stereo sound if you plug in your music player via the fitted 3.5mm input jack.

K. I'm back.

At 6/15/10 09:24 AM, funkycaveman wrote: I just made this for my product design coursework, it works well and it got me 100% for the marks so i'm pretty pleased with it. What do you think?

Is there a product already like it? It's a really cool idea. I'd buy one, how much would it retail for?

At 6/15/10 01:04 PM, Will wrote:

At 6/15/10 09:24 AM, funkycaveman wrote: I just made this for my product design coursework, it works well and it got me 100% for the marks so i'm pretty pleased with it. What do you think?

Is there a product already like it? It's a really cool idea. I'd buy one, how much would it retail for?

during my research I found there was a product called the Eco-Speakers (slight variation on the spelling and no solar panel) and it was a speaker made from a cardboard box. Other bits of research showed larger wireless (no 3.5 mm jack) versions made from plastic but they didn't work and they can't sell them any more. The rest of the solar powered speakers were concepts (see Gramo speaker) and none actually worked, the large plastic ones even had to be recalled after their release because their wireless sensors did not have enough power.

If retailed, each ecoSpeaker would be handmade to order (to reduce waste). And the one shown cost me about £50 in parts, this was mostly because I had to buy the electronics in batches. So it would roughly be £40 base cost and due to r&d I would say from £69.99-£129.99 ($100-$190).

If you are a bit of a techie like me, pm me if you want some photos of the inside, the electronic circuits or schematics.

The problem is I have no design protection, anyone can make exactly the same and sell it. So I think I will need to get some patents before I think about it commercially. That is why i'm not putting this on the general forum or showing the development pictures here.

Sorry if I said too much :3

Took these photos today in the garden:

At 6/15/10 02:44 PM, funkycaveman wrote: ecoSpeaker

That's actually pretty cool! Is that a final year project or just a project for a course? It looks like a lot of time and thinking went into it. It would be pretty cool if you could start selling it, even on a really small scale.

betatesting
Anyone feel like helping a brah out?

At 6/15/10 02:54 PM, Xeptic wrote:

At 6/15/10 02:44 PM, funkycaveman wrote: ecoSpeaker

That's actually pretty cool! Is that a final year project or just a project for a course? It looks like a lot of time and thinking went into it. It would be pretty cool if you could start selling it, even on a really small scale.

It was my final college product, so I was 17, made for my coursework but i've been wanted to do something like this. It has been in a classroom for a few months and the speakers still work! But if you leave it in your room overnight (pitch black) it is not very loud in the morning. The whole point was to combat the acrylic plastic used for basically all portable speakers today, most cannot be recycled and it uses oil in the polymer. Selling would complete this process. About 150 hours went into the project, we were only supposed to spend 60 hours :S Initial ideas were to make a solar powered boom box, might be my next project.

betatesting
Anyone feel like helping a brah out?

I can help you out, do you have msn or skype?

Sony just won E3, I think. They beat Microsoft at their own game with all of the exclusive content planned for this year.

At 6/15/10 04:53 PM, Archon68 wrote: Sony just won E3, I think. They beat Microsoft at their own game with all of the exclusive content planned for this year.

are you kidding?

they may have beat microsoft (it was a shit conference up until steam on ps3 and twisted metal), but nintendo completely owned this year's E3