At 11/27/06 05:20 AM, ShirtTurtle wrote: just a lonley animation i did.

http://denvish.net/ulf/1164619683_Gooo.php

I liked the water hitting him, nice facial expression on him too.

I just uploaded some more of my experimental animation to youtube and would love some comments, either here or on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmzwAsDkuE rotoscoping featuring JPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkSDQcadRfY little clay fight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLO_MpKQ4o stop motion bit

Thanks guys

At 11/27/06 04:23 PM, Mogly wrote:
I was under the impression you were something like 23 ImpendingRiot.

that's what I thought too, so I checked his age first. But it kinda helps his point, its much easier to do things with animation, and film too at younger ages and get it out there.

At 11/27/06 05:08 AM, TheHappySheep wrote:
He is like the best argument against tablets available.

Luis is like that skinny guy that eats McDonalds twice a day and is perfectly healthy

just thought of it

and yes there is such a man

At 11/27/06 04:55 PM, Coaly wrote:

and yes there is such a man

Lol me. Or the old me. A while ago.

At 11/27/06 04:49 PM, TheHappySheep wrote: I just uploaded some more of my experimental animation to youtube and would love some comments, either here or on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmzwAsDkuE rotoscoping featuring JPI

Awsome, thats realy cool. How do you know JPI? You could probably submit that to newgrounds and get a decent score

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkSDQcadRfY little clay fight

Tis cool, although not as good as the other two

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLO_MpKQ4o stop motion bit

Cool again. I was thinking of getting a mighty mouse, how much better is its sensitivity and smoothness? I could get one for £30 and i love there style <£

Thanks guys

At 11/27/06 04:49 PM, TheHappySheep wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmzwAsDkuE rotoscoping featuring JPI

nice, rotoscope isn't very special, you could do good things with it though

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkSDQcadRfY little clay fight

nice, fast, but it looked nice

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLO_MpKQ4o stop motion bit

good, and not too short, i had a bad experience with a mac today, dunno if it was the mac or the mouse or something i didn't know, the window i had up kept fading out when i was doing nothing, the most i did to make it fade out was move the mouse, and then the bitch started running really really slow and i couldn't save and then class was over!

run on sentence...

I left a comment on youtube THS. :D

You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w&NR

At 11/27/06 05:12 PM, Blaze wrote: You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

Their so hardcore :P.

No bad guitar for an 8 year old, lol.

Anyway, sorry for posting this again, but i really, really need soem help, please :(.

At 11/27/06 05:08 AM, TheHappySheep wrote: You obviously didnt view all his tutorials because one of them is called "drawing with a mouse" and explains that he only ever uses the mouse.

i did watch that one, but i could have sworn he said that he usually used a mouse, but sometimes a tablet. my memory must be crapping out again >_>

He is like the best argument against tablets available.

and then there's adam philips, being the best argument for tablets! :P

as well as embarrassing skaijo :P

the button for that thing is quite obscure. as far as i know, not too many people know about it, so, neh.

Luis
I also like to fbf all on one layer, to me its more practical and i dont like to have a depot full of limbs

heh, you should see the running weekly animation i did. every limb is on its own layer. i think it helped me there, but i need to try FBF'ing real things on one layer to get a nice taste of both styles.

On occasions I need to mask something specific i'll just set it outside the master mask, i dont usually like to use masking unless it will seriously save me time.

yeah, you said that in the tutorial, but what i meant was if you had something, most likely in the background, that had to be masked, but was above one thing inside your master mask, and under another thing.

Thanks for all your comments guys. To clear some stuff up. me n JPI go to the same uni and do the same animation course except he's the year below me. I dont actually own a mac or really have much clue about using them, that mouse is froma uni computer, i just borrowed it for my animation (got it covered in tea too).

I have another 3 videos I plan to upload, one i already uploaded but it wouldnt play properly and 2 more that i havent finished compressing so they are still over 100mb. If anyone wants to leanr more just add me on msn, my email's in my profile.

When I got a mail telling me you had commented on the rotoscope one, Blaze, I knew it would be something to do with james :P. You crazy kids with your christmas game rivalry.

At 11/27/06 05:12 PM, Blaze wrote: You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w&NR

is that you, Diego? :D

At 11/27/06 05:12 PM, Blaze wrote: You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w&NR

Luis?

At 11/27/06 05:32 PM, Coaly wrote:

At 11/27/06 05:12 PM, Blaze wrote: You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w&NR

Luis?

Lol i love the little "huh!" every so often in that song.

At 11/27/06 05:32 PM, Coaly wrote:

At 11/27/06 05:12 PM, Blaze wrote: You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w&NR

Luis?

Blaze ): <

and your sig gives me gas with oily discharge. of course, i mean that in the best way possible.

At 11/27/06 05:36 PM, fuzz wrote:

At 11/27/06 05:32 PM, Coaly wrote:

At 11/27/06 05:12 PM, Blaze wrote: You won't believe what your video linked me to THS, lawl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TviTCFAGr6w&NR

Luis?

Lol i love the little "huh!" every so often in that song.

i love the way the mic stand is as low as it can go, and the kid has to tiptoe to get it.

oh and i vow that i will post a bit more. ive been lacking :(

At 11/27/06 05:24 PM, Rammer wrote:

At 11/27/06 05:08 AM, TheHappySheep wrote: He is like the best argument against tablets available.

and then there's adam philips, being the best argument for tablets! :P

I don't think that's a valid argument. Phillips quality comes from his experiance, training and talent. I would say he could do the exact same quality art with a mouse, though it would take him longer.

For artists, lets be honest...

The ONLY difference between mouse and tablet is speed. Go ahead and argue pressure sensitivity and line thickness... I can mimic that with a mouse.

Neither tool gives you any extra art talent... one just allows some people to produce more quickly. If you take your time with the mouse, you can achieve the same thing.

You can either Draw human emotion, or you can't.... and no tool is going to change that.

Everyone knows Luis draws with a mouse and drawing with a mouse is difficult. It completely differs from an artist's natural tool, the pencil. It's awkward to get used too.
He shows that you CAN get quality results with a mouse. That's why Luis gets a cookie.

Philips is using a tool that is familiar to him, only digital.

Give Luis a tablet and Philips a mouse and I can guarentee that each of their next cartoons with reflect the same quality as of the previous ones.

Remember, Philips is a professional animator. Any tool he uses to create art is going to reflect that.

That's why it's not a valid argument.

<3

At 11/27/06 08:47 AM, Luis wrote: I also like to fbf all on one layer, to me its more practical and i dont like to have a depot full of limbs and shit to recycle because to me i find that it looks too mechanical. Ive seen tutorials where they ask you to draw all your limbs in advance and what not but i hate that, because things start looking the same.

I'm like that, but I suck at both.

At 11/27/06 06:18 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote: Consider for a moment what a mouse can do that a tablet can't, and vice versa.

Both move and create pixels or vectors at the point of the cursor. One adjusts the pressure dynamically, the other requires the artist to make a second pass. One feels more natural to a user. The other takes getting used too.

I see what you mean, but take two people who've yet to do art, give them a mouse and give them a tablet, and see:

A. Who improves
B. Who outputs faster

I don't think either will improve based on their tool. Only based on the outside resources that they use, such as practice with emotions, anatomy, style, color and timing.

Of course, the tablet will output faster. I've always been a firm believer in that.

I just can't see why tablet isn't the obvious choice except for habit based familiartiy.

I agree. I'm not against tablet useage. I just disagree with most people's preconcieved ideas of them. I've drawn with the mouse for the last 14 years of my life. (staring with MS paint in Windows 3.11) I got amazingly adjusted to controlling a mouse.

I picked up a Intuos3 tablet about 6 months ago and have been using that since.

My quality has not changed one bit. I can draw/animate exacltly the same as with the mouse.
My speed has increased dramatically, however.

Once again, so no one twists my meaning.

I am not against tablets. I love them...

I'm against how people believe it will make them more talented artists.

I'm against people saying that "Luis is to Mouse, as Philips is to tablet." when they're at 2 drastically different skill levels.

I get into the same argument at work, doing carpentry. My dad is old school and uses a hammer. The newer guys use all pneumatic nail guns. I use both.

My dad's work always comes out better. The other guys are always done faster.

Both tools drive a nail into wood and have either manual (arm swing speed) or button settings for adjusting the depth of the nail... so what's the difference?

Experiance.

Since I learned from my father, but I'm still young enough to be new school, I can create amazing quality with the nail gun OR hammer... why?

Experiance.

If Luis learned to use a tablet, or my dad learned to use a pneumatic nail gun... only one thing would change for them.

Speed of production.

At 11/27/06 06:10 PM, Johnny wrote: I don't think that's a valid argument.

i was just kidding ¬_¬

hence the ":P" at the end of my sentence, there.

At 11/27/06 06:45 PM, Rammer wrote:

At 11/27/06 06:10 PM, Johnny wrote: I don't think that's a valid argument.

i was just kidding ¬_¬

hence the ":P" at the end of my sentence, there.

And yet, look what you've started! Trouble maker!

Go to your room!

Don't look at me like that, young man. This is my house, and as long as.... sorry... carried away.

Though, I still want a tablet.

At 11/27/06 06:39 PM, Johnny wrote: Speed of production.

You seem to be saying (and i agree) that one does not get better by using a tablet, it's just faster. One could argue though that animation is a time consuming process and quicker is definately easier.

At 11/27/06 06:57 PM, TheHappySheep wrote:

At 11/27/06 06:39 PM, Johnny wrote: Speed of production.

You seem to be saying (and i agree) that one does not get better by using a tablet, it's just faster. One could argue though that animation is a time consuming process and quicker is definately easier.

I knew someone was going to say that. You know what I mean.

I remember using windows 3.1 :P It was so lame, it had a few nifty games. Paint owned too. :D

Anyway, adding on to James' argument...

I've drawn with a mouse for like, forever. Last year i got a tablet for christmas, trust me or not, I barely EVER use it. Sure, it gets faster and the pressure sensitivity is a great add-on to have when drawing backgrounds due to different depths and whatnot, but the mouse is still my preferred tool for character design and animation. I only use the tablet for background designing, and it's not that often. However, Whatever i can achieve with a tablet can be easily created with a mouse aswell, it just takes a bit more patience, and sometimes, a rather clean or digital mouse.

Also Rammer, That's not me >:C You know I'm hawter (not to mention taller... and my voice isn't that high)

At 11/27/06 07:11 PM, Blaze wrote: Anyway, adding on to James' argument...

Who's James?

The one thing about a tablet that is nice, not necessarily making better, is it is used like a pen or pencil. Because of this it is more like drawing on paper. And for me, who is left handed and operates a mouse with his right hand, it could prove to be beneficial. Unfortunately I don't have a tablet though, so I don't know, but I do know that it is a pain to try and replicate my drawings on paper with flash because I draw differently. What is simple on paper becomes a painful, time-consuming process once I transcribe via flash and mouse.

for example, I can't draw circles worth my life with a mouse >:U

Argh, I was thinking about JPI because i recently saw THS' rotoscoping thing. SORRY JOHNNY. ;)

At 11/27/06 06:54 PM, Johnny wrote:

At 11/27/06 06:45 PM, Rammer wrote:

At 11/27/06 06:10 PM, Johnny wrote: I don't think that's a valid argument.

i was just kidding ¬_¬

hence the ":P" at the end of my sentence, there.

And yet, look what you've started! Trouble maker!

i know ): it's worse on deviantART, though. leave a bad comment and people flip. rtil was banned on sheezyart because he said some naruto fanart thing was unoriginal, and he told the 'artist' to make their own characters and such. caused quite an uproar.

Go to your room!

done! :D

Don't look at me like that, young man. This is my house, and as long as.... sorry... carried away.

i'll look at you any way i want! and right now, i'm checking you out. mmph!