At 4/2/09 10:07 PM, MichaelHurst wrote: Oh my...I'm ashamed of myself.

I was such a noob. (I was Noobish-Pineapple, by the way).

I can't believe I'm going to say that... But that may have been worse then my first few posts.

At 4/2/09 09:40 PM, K-Guare wrote: Bill says Charles is lying,
Charles says Tom is lying,
Tom says both Bill and Charles are lying.
Who is telling the truth?

spruce up those next 10 minutes of yours.

Lying about what?

At 4/3/09 07:31 AM, Paranoia wrote:

At 4/2/09 09:40 PM, K-Guare wrote: Bill says Charles is lying,
Charles says Tom is lying,
Tom says both Bill and Charles are lying.
Who is telling the truth?

spruce up those next 10 minutes of yours.

Lying about what?

You are SO out of the loop.

At 4/2/09 10:46 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote:

At 4/2/09 09:40 PM, K-Guare wrote:

At 4/2/09 08:20 PM, ImpendingRiot wrote:

Bill says Charles is lying,
Charles says Tom is lying,
Tom says both Bill and Charles are lying.
Who is telling the truth?

spruce up those next 10 minutes of yours.

Charles is possibly telling the truth. If we assume Charles is telling the truth, that renders Bill's statement a lie. If Tom says BOTH Bill and Charles are lying then the fact we're assuming Charles is telling the truth renders Tom's statement a lie as well.

I always enjoyed these kinds of problems.

what you said, it seriously doesn't make sense to me
unless bill was telling the truth, which he isnt because i believe what this guy just said.

Either Bill or Charles lying will make sense. Tom can't be telling the truth otherwise both Bill and Charles will by lying which means that there's a contradiction:

Either Bill or Charles lying will make sense. Tom can't be telling the truth otherwise both Bill and Charles will by lying which means that there's a contradiction:

I haven't beem spending two hours working that out - I just came back to it thirty seconds ago.

Cant use the name Penguinz as the blammed submission has the name :(

Bastard.

At 4/3/09 11:02 AM, Paranoia wrote: Either Bill or Charles lying will make sense. Tom can't be telling the truth otherwise both Bill and Charles will by lying which means that there's a contradiction:

YOU GOT IT!

At 4/3/09 11:02 AM, Paranoia wrote: Either Bill or Charles lying will make sense. Tom can't be telling the truth otherwise both Bill and Charles will by lying which means that there's a contradiction:

If Tom is telling the truth, then the two others have to be lying, or he wouldn't be telling the truth because he says they both lie. Therefore, Charles is telling the truth, so his statement that Tom is lying is true -> contradiction

If Bill is telling the truth, then Charles is lying, and therefore his statement that Tom is a liar is a lie. Therefore, Tom is telling the truth when he says both Charles and Bill are lying, and therefore Bill isn't telling the truth -> contradiction

If Charles is telling the truth, then Tom is a liar, therefore Tom is lying when he says Bill is a liar, and therefore Bill is telling the truth by saying Charles is a liar -> contradiction

This is a paradox if you say that none of them can be wrong in what they say. At least one of them has to be wrong - regardless of whether he's trying to lie or tell the truth.

is it possible all these characters are the in fact the same person with a multiple personality disorder?

That's what I think's going on with this whole forum...

Well, this is what I came up with;
Assume Bill = A,
Charles = B,
Tom = C.

A says !B,
B says !C,
C says !A && !B
One important thing is the AND that C used,
If either A or B is telling the truth, C has to be lying.
Now let's make a table:

Where it says 'if A', that means
if A is telling the truth, and it lists the other results.
T means true, F means false,
X means both, which cannot happen.

First Column:
A is telling the Truth.
Because A is telling the truth, B is actually lying,
Because B is lying, what C says is logically true.
BUT, C can't be telling the truth, because
C says that both A && B are lying.
Because A is not lying, what C says is acually false,
and since that does not agree with what B said,
this option is not possible.

Second Column:
B is telling the Truth.
Because B is telling the truth, what C says is logically false.
A cannot be telling the truth, because B is not lying.
C is saying that both A && B are lying, since they are not
both lying, this statement is false.
C's statement is actually false, as B has said.
This option is possible.

Third Column:
C is telling the Truth.
Because C says that A && B are lying,
both their statements are logically false.
BUT because C said A is lying, that means his statement
about B lying is false, meaning B is actually telling the truth.
This does not agree with C's supposedly true statement, so,
this option is not possible.

To keep this from getting too confusing, I'm not going to
give an explanation as to the possibilities of two people both being
telling the truth. In this situation, that is not possible.

So using the process of elimination,
Charles is telling the truth, and Bill and Tom are both lying.

Okay, maybe I've wasted just a litttle more than 10 minutes. :]

Actually, I misread the problem the first time around...

Bill says Charles is lying,
Charles says Tom is lying,
Tom says both Bill and Charles are lying.

Simple process of elimination should suffice here...

o Tom telling the truth and Bill and Charles lying leads to a contradiction

o Charles telling the truth and Bill and Tom lying... works so long as you assume 'Bill and Charles are lying' to be a single statement

o Bill telling the truth and Charles and Tom lying leads to a contradiction

o Any scenario in which Tom tells the truth along with one or both of the others obviously brings a contradiction

o Bill and Charles telling the truth, ditto

So Charles telling the truth is the only situation which can concievably work.

We had that question in Drama.

Yup.

Charles was my initial option but then i confused myself and now Im not sure of it. If only one statement is true surely it doest work. if you start at charles is true it mentions nothing of bill...

I had a problem like this in a math comp

In a village, there are only two types of people: those who tell the truth, and those who lie, and everyone knows everything. You arrange 25 villagers in a line without knowing who is a liar and who isn't. Each person in the line says the one in front of him is a liar, except the first one in the queue, who says everyone behind him is a liar.

How many liars are there in this line, and how many are not liars?

This one is easy though.

Based on the last answer,
I'm just going to guess there's 1 honest person, and 24 liars.

Breaking news: Luis disapproves a collab. :O

Fuck you guys what are you talking about now its all bullshit
I lurk too much and dont post cus i have nothing inteersting to say about it, not that you do either its just u like posting, talking about people like paranoia and ng unit or whatever and some other guys.

Dont talk so much bs its boring but i spose its been too far now to stop. but it is quite annoying sometimes..

obligatory drunk post
but honestly if i wanted to spell right i could just that i cant be assed.

At 4/3/09 08:49 PM, SweetSkater wrote:

obligatory drunk post
but honestly if i wanted to spell right i could just that i cant be assed.

more like bitterskater.

At 4/3/09 08:49 PM, SweetSkater wrote: Dont talk so much bs its boring but i spose its been too far now to stop. but it is quite annoying sometimes..

More like HitlerSkater, sorry people say things in posts on forums mein fuhrer.

@toast: I think the answer is 12. The one at the front must be lying and the rest alternate between telling the truth and lying.

At 4/3/09 08:49 PM, SweetSkater wrote: Fuck you guys what are you talking about now its all bullshit

You've changed, man. It's very sad.

This shit is addictive yo.

At 4/4/09 05:17 AM, UnknownFury wrote: @toast: I think the answer is 12. The one at the front must be lying and the rest alternate between telling the truth and lying.

The pattern is liar - not liar - liar - not liar. There's 25 people, which is not a pair number, therefore the last one is a liar too. That means the number of liars = number of none liars + 1, so there's 13 liars and 12 not liars.

i don't know if by "the answer is 12" you meant 12 liars or 12 none liars, but you probably got it right.

I really like those liar riddles, they're very fun to solve.

http://xkcd.com/246/
hehehe

At 4/4/09 10:24 AM, Xeptic wrote: This shit is addictive yo.

Bookmarked for future procrastination. :3

At 4/4/09 10:24 AM, Xeptic wrote: This shit is addictive yo.

I second this.

Nice find :)

If you want procrastination, look no further!

It's actually more-or less helpful for revising classical mechanics, too. Well, my exam results might disagree, but WHATEVER.

At 4/4/09 07:19 PM, Paranoia wrote: If you want procrastination, look no further!

It's actually more-or less helpful for revising classical mechanics, too. Well, my exam results might disagree, but WHATEVER.

Falling Sand has always been the sandbox game for me. Although Sodaplay was quite good too, not sure if it's still up though.

I'll download that Phun thing later to give my opinion :P

saturday should be renamed slackurday cause i'm having fun not thinking at all and slacking off, i think my brain melted during the week.

Omegle is great