At 7/31/06 10:39 PM, IgnorantSentient wrote: Oh, and how dare you say that Israel knowingly and purposefully attacks civilians, thats disgustingly untrue and you have no proof to back yourself up so just go hang yourself or something, make the world a better place.

I agree. If Israel blows up the wrong building, fingers are immediatly pointed that "Israel kills children, Israel hates muslims". I could go on a rant about how some muslim orginizations kill innocent people on purpose, you know the ones I'm talking about.

Even better, let me know the last time israel blew up the wrong building. you do that, and I'll show you a building where the reason for being blown up was removed before anyone got there.

Oh, you mean the Suez Crisis? The attacks on Egypt were justified.

Of course they were, that's exactly my point. And the american attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan were justified too. And Hitler's attack on Poland. And everything that happened after the assassination in Saraevo (WWI)... get my point? If you NEED a war, there will always be someone to crush a plane into a couple of buildings or blow up a church. There are international, overnational forces, which make sure stuff like that "happen". Yes, terrorrists KILL people, but this doesn't mean that jews are the victims and are forced to bomb civilians. I totally agree with drDAK.

At 7/31/06 02:56 PM, DiabloCloud wrote:

At 7/31/06 01:34 PM, morefngdbs wrote: I'm going to try to simplify what is going on in Lebanon.
The Israeli armed forces are attacking Hezbollah Terrorists (cowards actually) that are in Southern Lebanon.

PLZ can you explain why r they cowards? do you mean cauze they hit the Israeli army and run? if you don't know, this is how the resistance in all its history had worked.

They don't hit and run, they hit and protect themselves with children. They have human shields, that's what makes them 'cowards'. Do you ever listen to news or you only read terrorist sites? I suppose you don't know why so many children die in Lebanon, Hezzbollah's important people and bomb carriers USE CHILDREN. A rocket carrier has been spotted with 2 children on the rockets, do you think THAT is not cowardness?

These cowards are a larger & better financed armed faction than the Lebanese armed forces.
These cowards are financed & supplied directly by Syria & Iran (Iraq was a supporter not anymore Yay!!!!!!!) There are also mant other mideastern Gov.'s that secretely help finance this terrorist action.

you r saying that Hezbollah is larger and better than the Lebanese army. then why dosn't the USA help the Lebanese goverment by supplying it with weapons instead of trying to disarm Hezbollah? and you say that Hezbollah is supplied by other countries... can you tell me who supplies Israel? isn't the USA the one that supplies Israel? than there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.

The war isn't between Lebanon and the Hezbollah, it's between Israel and the Hezbollah but at the same time Lebanese civilians are used as human shields. Now tell me, WHY should America provide Lebanon with weapons? How would that help?!

There is a difference between supplying a country that serves as a strategic place in the middle east and disarming a terrorist group, you know...

The Lebanese Goverment is not strong enough to be able to remove the Hezbollah faction out of its territory.

Can the USA help the Lebanese Gov and army by giving us the prohibited weapons that she is giving to Israel to kill civilians in lebanon?

It's not like in movies where there's an army with laser guns and an army with pink plastic guns and the laser guns army wins...

and why isn't Israel punneshed for using these weapons. maybe because the USA controls the security council and all the United Nation organization.

I'll have to laugh at that silly argument, sorry... Why should Israel be punished for using guns that are used in the whole world? :P

These cowards are using the citizens of Lebanon as human sheilds to wage war on Israel.

how r they using them? just tell me.. if(and only if because it isn't true) Hezbollah is firing missles from somewhere next to the houses... than why hitting the houses!?

'If because it's not true'? Where have you been, of course it is true, it happened, it's not an imaginary world. The missiles have been hidden inside houses where many children and women residents of Lebanon live, and the Hezbollah do that on purpose. They hide among the weakest to then blame Israel for committing 'Horrible unhuman acts', as the Hezbollah leader says.

that isn't true.

O rly? Then I assume all those people, especially children, simply like to dance on rockets, right? And sometimes an evil Israeli missiles lands on those rockets and kill the poor children who were only having fun on the rockets... right? Maybe READ articles about the current situation and you'll know how Lebanese childrens are used as shields by the Hezbollah.

this is surprizing.. all the groups against the USA and Israel are terrorists.
why is this... are they Gods so that they don't do anything wrong? what about what they done in Iraq... wasn't they(USA) the terrrists!?

Ah, I understand your strategy. You make up imaginary facts, and then when you run out of ideas you simply go off subject. What does all this have to do with Americans in Iraq? Israel has proofs that the Hezbollah is funded by Iran.

At 7/31/06 03:47 PM, troubles1 wrote: lol we all know muslims ar fags muhamid can suck my dick !!! islam is the infidal... isreal is helping to get rid of the terrorust crap that that would be you.. i hope they drop a bomb on your house...

I hope you were joking because if you weren't you can suck on your daddys dick and die on it, you piece of crap.

All the war because of 2 Israeli "Recruits", I don't think Israel would start a war over them. Pffft, I never saw Hezbollah enterning Israel for the 6000 Arabs captured, I think this war is a waste of time and a death house.

At 7/31/06 04:15 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 7/31/06 10:06 AM, CadillacClock wrote:

Except for the fact that several Hezbollah members were elected to the Lebanese government. And an act of war is an act of war, whether it be big or small. Just because the American government will allow blatant hostilities to our armed forces with no response for a decade doesn't mean Israel has to.

Casualties of war are generally justified, but not when they're intentional.

When a military enemy surrounds themselves with civilian targets, the civilian targets generally die. Sad, but hardly a case that Israel is happily killing civilians. They weren't targeting the civilians.

why isn't israel showing us the missle base that she is firing at near the houses or IN THE HOUSES!!! they do have the pic. don't they!?

It's biased; yet, it shows the other disturbing side to this war. As such you have to wonder who the real evil is. The Hezbollah, Lebanese, or the Israelis.

It's really not hard to see who the evil is. Hezbollah. No question.

how do you suppose the Lebanese has to defend themself?

At 7/31/06 10:42 AM, drDAK wrote:

Our biased media makes Israel look like the bad guy. It's kinda like the rest of the world, people piss and moan about Israel, but never say a damn thing about the cowards they're fighting.

yes and you say that because you have seen the pics in that site(mine) in you media?

At 7/31/06 02:56 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: PLZ can you explain why r they cowards? do you mean cauze they hit the Israeli army and run? if you don't know, this is how the resistance in all its history had worked.

Let me start by saying, type coherently.
Next, they're cowards for: deliberately targeting civilians NOT surrounding a military target, surrounding THEMSELVES with innocent children, etc.

as i have said before... let Israel show us the video's of the missle bases surrounding the innocent children...

you r saying that Hezbollah is larger and better than the Lebanese army. then why dosn't the USA help the Lebanese goverment by supplying it with weapons instead of trying to disarm Hezbollah? and you say that Hezbollah is supplied by other countries... can you tell me who supplies Israel? isn't the USA the one that supplies Israel? than there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.

Hezbollah is IN the Lebanese government. We would be directly funding a terrorist group.

Why doesn't the USA support the army... Hezbollah doesn't have control over the army.

Can the USA help the Lebanese Gov and army by giving us the prohibited weapons that she is giving to Israel to kill civilians in lebanon?
and why isn't Israel punneshed for using these weapons. maybe because the USA controls the security council and all the United Nation organization.

You have zero clue how the world works. The US controls the UN? What a joke.

if Bush says we have to stop the war than it will be stopped!!!
if the USA wanted to condemn the isareli doing in Lebanon than it will be condemned(in the security council).

how r they using them? just tell me.. if(and only if because it isn't true) Hezbollah is firing missles from somewhere next to the houses... than why hitting the houses!?

You're an idiot. "How are they using the citizens? You mean by hiding in them and then firing at Israel so the citizens take the wrath? I don't see how that's cowardlyor using the citizenry at all!"

how can you use a 5 or 6 or 7 or... years old boy for hidding from the strongest air weapons in all the Middle East?

that isn't true.

Your knowledge of the subject is far from complete enough to comment on this.

can you give me some of your knowledge...(haha)

At 8/1/06 03:39 PM, DiabloCloud wrote:

how do you suppose the Lebanese has to defend themself?

….from what?

To add to my last--Hezbollah is in no way defending the Lebanese. They do have social services, but are not defending the Lebanese in any way.

At 8/1/06 03:48 PM, Dragon_Smaug wrote: To add to my last--Hezbollah is in no way defending the Lebanese. They do have social services, but are not defending the Lebanese in any way.

in 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon...
nobody stoped her. what if she wanted to do another invasion... who will stop her?
the Lebanese army can't for sure.

At 8/1/06 03:48 PM, Dragon_Smaug wrote: To add to my last--Hezbollah is in no way defending the Lebanese. They do have social services, but are not defending the Lebanese in any way.

Hell yeah. Hezbollah is furthering the Iranian and Syrian agendas. No Middle Eastern state aside those mentioned WANTS Hezbollah or Hamas to exist. They just create problems for everyone- Arab or not.

At 7/31/06 10:28 PM, -Glaciar- wrote: No, my friend, YOU are the deceived one (I still dont want to use offensive words). Remember how Britain attacked Egypt, or why the US government decided to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. Things are always not what they seem to be, but you have to know what to look for.

We invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring al Quida. We attacked Iraq because they had been initiating hostilities to us for a decade and ignoring the UN resolutions. Not that either of those or even the Britain/Egypt example are of any importance to this debate.

There are many books written on this subject, you should read some. But then you would be considered racist, so make your choice by yourself.

You ask me to educate myself, then say if I do, I'd be a racist. Dear God, that's the stupidest thing I've heard today. And quite possibly the dumbest technique of trying to sway someone I've EVER seen. And I've read over 100 books on the subject. Even the conspiracy theorists admit there is cause to invade these contries.

I'm not defending Hezbollah. Just hoping not to see the jews pretending to be victims after the whole thing... again...

They are victims fool. If I throw a rock through your window in the middle of the night, you are not "pretending to be a victim", you are a legitimate victim of my malicious action, and you are right to do something in your recourse...like call the cops. So on a larger scale, Israel is having rockets fired into their country by Hezbollah.

I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy awakening.

I'm sorry, chuckles, but you don't have clue one what you're talking about.

And I repeat, only an idiot would accuse Israel of trying to create an empire when they are constantly ceding land. And if you refuse to ackowledge Israel giving Palestine land (Gaza and the West Bank), then you're just stupid and unworthy of further consideration.

At 7/31/06 10:36 PM, drDAK wrote: Yeah... you're a really moral person. Shove it. Do not pin point this on Islam, I could retort many time over about Judaism.

No, you really couldn't. And I pinned it on the Islamic monsters (that would be Hezbollah since you're not all that quick). But if I really wanted, I COULD pin it on Islam, and again, you wouldn't have two things to say. Sorry, but I won't be lectured to by some PC deluded ideological hippie who's never actually ever read the Koran.

See what religion does?

Yea, Christianity and Judaism are responsible for all the great things in history. Islam is responsible for horrible attrocities. To this date, Buddhism has never done ANYTHING wrong. You fail.

Help should have been requested before they started a war, Israel is saying "we can do this without international troops, lets go ahead and bomb away". Sure, it's spur of the moment, but there would be no argument here if Israel did the right thing to begin with.

International troops aren't going to help them, buffoon. You don't know a damn thing about this. Hezbollah started transgressions, and Israel responded. Why in God's name do they need YOUR permission to defend themselves. That's like me punchng you in the face and you being forced to ask every neighbor on the block (and I'm still beating you) if you can fight back. And it has to be a unanimous vote, so you better hope you don't have any pacifists on the block who NEVER approve of fighting...or you better hope you don't have to ask my family or friends.

I understand, and agree.
Ideas are what make peace. Peace is what we need.

Peace can come about when Hezbollah stops killing Israeli civilians on purpose.

Both sides are wrong.

No, Hezbollah is wrong. Israel is in the clear.

At 8/1/06 08:00 AM, -Glaciar- wrote: If you NEED a war, there will always be someone to crush a plane into a couple of buildings or blow up a church. There are international, overnational forces, which make sure stuff like that "happen".

It's all a conspiracy. Sorry, but your stoner friend's word or some paranoid crackheads rantings are irrelevant to this debate.

Yes, terrorrists KILL people, but this doesn't mean that jews are the victims and are forced to bomb civilians. I totally agree with drDAK.

And we'll continue to regard you as a moron.

At 8/1/06 03:39 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: why isn't israel showing us the missle base that she is firing at near the houses or IN THE HOUSES!!! they do have the pic. don't they!?

Are you stupid?

how do you suppose the Lebanese has to defend themself?

Get Hezbollah out? Surrender? Stop using women and children as shields? Shrugs. Just a couple of ideas.

yes and you say that because you have seen the pics in that site(mine) in you media?

This is war dum dum, we don't pause for photo ops to convince 12 year olds of the justness of the cause.

How about the Lebanese government moaning about Hezbollah using civilians as shields? That works for me.

as i have said before... let Israel show us the video's of the missle bases surrounding the innocent children...

Yea, you keep going on about these videos. I counter this. Let Lebanon show us the videos of the evil Israelis plotting to kill nothing but civilians. Your argument fails.
there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.

Why doesn't the USA support the army... Hezbollah doesn't have control over the army.

Because it would be funding a government partially run by terrorists. What a stupid question.

if Bush says we have to stop the war than it will be stopped!!!

Which is completely irrelevant to the UN, and not true to boot. We won't send troops to Israel, even if Bush wants.

if the USA wanted to condemn the isareli doing in Lebanon than it will be condemned(in the security council).

It was condemned anyway and we support Israel, you lose.

how can you use a 5 or 6 or 7 or... years old boy for hidding from the strongest air weapons in all the Middle East?

By hiding the missles behind his house. What? Am I arguing a mentally deficient child?

can you give me some of your knowledge...(haha)

Yea. Look above. And unlike yourself, I don't just walk around asking about the videos to every intelligent point. When you have something smart to add, then we can talk.

At 8/1/06 03:25 PM, SupportGlobalWarming wrote: All the war because of 2 Israeli "Recruits", I don't think Israel would start a war over them. Pffft, I never saw Hezbollah enterning Israel for the 6000 Arabs captured, I think this war is a waste of time and a death house.

Yea, because no one's ever attacked Israel or demanded the release of prisoners. Being purposefully blind serves no one well.

At 8/1/06 04:17 PM, HighlyIllogical wrote: Hell yeah. Hezbollah is furthering the Iranian and Syrian agendas. No Middle Eastern state aside those mentioned WANTS Hezbollah or Hamas to exist. They just create problems for everyone- Arab or not.

Palestine wants Hamas to exist. Saudia Arabia is a big fan of both Hamas and Hezbollah. The UAE doesn't mind them. It's not like the region is a big group of sane people, and Iran and Syria are the exceptions.

DiabloCloud, if you really want to see 'pics' of the rockets in the building, why don't you email Israel's prime minister? He'll surely be kind enough and email you a few non-photoshopped pics.

At 8/1/06 04:33 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 7/31/06 10:28 PM, -Glaciar- wrote: At 8/1/06 03:39 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: why isn't israel showing us the missle base that she is firing at near the houses or IN THE HOUSES!!! they do have the pic. don't they!?

Are you stupid?

how do you suppose the Lebanese has to defend themself?

Get Hezbollah out? Surrender? Stop using women and children as shields? Shrugs. Just a couple of ideas.

do you know that in these instant, Hezbollah are winning this war. the Israeli generals themselfs stated that it is impossible to disarm Hizbollah, and every day 10 to 20 Gulany soldier from the israli army are dying. do you think Hezbollah cares obout his dead members. in fact he celebrates every dead soldier in his troops.

yes and you say that because you have seen the pics in that site(mine) in you media?

This is war dum dum, we don't pause for photo ops to convince 12 year olds of the justness of the cause.

than why your medias are showing you the israeli doings and killing the civiliens? why are they hiding these photos?

as i have said before... let Israel show us the video's of the missle bases surrounding the innocent children...

Yea, you keep going on about these videos. I counter this. Let Lebanon show us the videos of the evil Israelis plotting to kill nothing but civilians. Your argument fails.
there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.

i showed you the civiliens that israel have killed. israel has killed 800 civiliens since the war had begun. why isn't israel showing us the pics of Hezbollah's bases that she is bombing near the houses or in the houses or wherever you want them to be.

Why doesn't the USA support the army... Hezbollah doesn't have control over the army.

Because it would be funding a government partially run by terrorists. What a stupid question.

ah yes... Hezbollah will steal the weapons that the USA is giving to the Lebanese army!!??? r u talking seriously!? and the government is against Hezbollah so she won't fund it. so how is Hezbollah being part of the government affect the fortification of the Lebanese army!?

if Bush says we have to stop the war than it will be stopped!!!

Which is completely irrelevant to the UN, and not true to boot. We won't send troops to Israel, even if Bush wants.

but Bush sent weapons to Israel in this war to help her!

if the USA wanted to condemn the isareli doing in Lebanon than it will be condemned(in the security council).

It was condemned anyway and we support Israel, you lose.

r u playing with me! how was Israel condemned and not punished?

how can you use a 5 or 6 or 7 or... years old boy for hidding from the strongest air weapons in all the Middle East?

By hiding the missles behind his house. What? Am I arguing a mentally deficient child?

if the missles were behind the houses then why hitting the houses?

can you give me some of your knowledge...(haha)

Yea. Look above. And unlike yourself, I don't just walk around asking about the videos to every intelligent point. When you have something smart to add, then we can talk.

how old r u?

At 8/1/06 05:09 PM, -Toast- wrote: DiabloCloud, if you really want to see 'pics' of the rockets in the building, why don't you email Israel's prime minister? He'll surely be kind enough and email you a few non-photoshopped pics.

they should show us these pics without asking to show us that they have the right to attack civiliens. it's not just me who want to see them... 1.4 billion muslim wants to see them too and all the world wants to see these pics(if you don't want to than fine, but other people want)

At 8/1/06 05:12 PM, DiabloCloud wrote:

:do you think Hezbollah cares obout his dead members. in fact he celebrates every dead soldier in his troops.

It is because Hezbollah views their dead soldiers as martyrs who will go to heaven.

At 8/1/06 05:16 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: they should show us these pics without asking to show us that they have the right to attack civiliens. it's not just me who want to see them... 1.4 billion muslim wants to see them too and all the world wants to see these pics(if you don't want to than fine, but other people want)

Hmm, and I wonder why we don't see pics of every Jew killed by the Nazis, and while we're at it every pre-historic man killed by a mamooth. Do you want coke and pop corn with that or it's fine?

At 8/1/06 04:00 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: in 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon...
nobody stoped her. what if she wanted to do another invasion... who will stop her?

Israel won't invade Lebanon for nothing, Israel doesn't need to Invade Lebanon at all. Israel wouldn't have invaded Lebanon unless the Hezbollah would have kidnapped the soldiers and fired rockets towards us.
The Hezbollah isn't there to protect Lebanon, if it was it would have joined the Lebanese army. The hezbollah wants to kill as much zionists as it can and destroy Israel, it cares about no Lebanese.

the Lebanese army can't for sure.

Neither can the Hezbollah, especially when the Hezbollah people keep hiding among civillians.

At 8/1/06 05:12 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: do you know that in these instant, Hezbollah are winning this war. the Israeli generals themselfs stated that it is impossible to disarm Hizbollah, and every day 10 to 20 Gulany soldier from the israli army are dying. do you think Hezbollah cares obout his dead members. in fact he celebrates every dead soldier in his troops.

OK, so you admit Hezbollah are the bad guys. Good for you. However, Hezbollah is losing. Israel will level Lebanon to defend themselves (as they're doing). Hezbollah will either surrender or it will be eradicated. And 10 to 20 soldiers a day in a war is nothing. The Generals said that about disarming them as a prelude to war. They're not trying to "disarm them". They're killing them instead. Much more effective.

than why your medias are showing you the israeli doings and killing the civiliens? why are they hiding these photos?

Because the media hates Israel. It's run by the same people who refuse to cover the successes in Iraq and falsely report on war crimes. The same media that played the "massacre of civilians" in the one Lebanese building....who despite being dead for a few hours had no blood around them, and were ashy grey and decaying. The media reports what it wants.

there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.

Yea, it makes them our enemy and Israel's enemy. That's why we're supplying Israel with more weapons.

i showed you the civiliens that israel have killed. israel has killed 800 civiliens since the war had begun. why isn't israel showing us the pics of Hezbollah's bases that she is bombing near the houses or in the houses or wherever you want them to be.

Because it's a war, not a photo op. And they don't care about convincing a child.

ah yes... Hezbollah will steal the weapons that the USA is giving to the Lebanese army!!??? r u talking seriously!? and the government is against Hezbollah so she won't fund it. so how is Hezbollah being part of the government affect the fortification of the Lebanese army!?

I'll just simply repeat what you said to show how dumb it is.
"How will funding a government run in part by Hezbollah fund Hezbollah"

but Bush sent weapons to Israel in this war to help her!

Yea, and the UN condemns Israel. If the US controlled the UN, they'd support Israel. Thanbks for proving yourself wrong. :)

r u playing with me! how was Israel condemned and not punished?

Because the UN condemns people all the time and does nothing. Mostly it's because the UN has no real power. List of the countries that the UN has condemned: Iran, North Korea, Iraq, the US, Israel (every couple of days), etc. Yea, you just keep showing you have no clue what you're talking about.

if the missles were behind the houses then why hitting the houses?

Because they're missles.....duh.

how old r u?

Old enough to type correctly, make coherent points, know what I'm talking about and shoot down your pathetic arguments. Yourself?

Your inability to type a coherent argument is rather boring. As is the repeated reliance on the failed picture point in response to every. single. question.

But since I'm growing bored with you, and feel the need to crrush you completely.
From the very liberal CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2..east.main/index.html

Things you were absolutely wrong on: 25 IDF forces have died PERIOD, not per day. Israel is making severe gains in the war. They have killed approximately 15% of the Hezbollah forces. The Lebanese government confirms the Israelies are trying to evacute civilians and target only Hezbollah. Hezbollah is now on the defensive, and the attacks into Israel are tapering off (in other words Israel is winning). 557 civilians have been killed not 800.
So in plain terms, you have no clue what you're talking about.

http://www.foxnews.c..,2933,206514,00.html

Also confirming the pamphlets and evacuations of civilians.

You can admit you're wrong now.

Wow those comparisons between England and Lebanon were an original idea, eh?

At 7/31/06 02:56 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: that isn't true.

;
I quoted my friends who are from Lebanon & both still have family & are in contact with them.
Stateing "that isn't true" does not disprove what I have written.
You can rebutt what I have written & list a source to back up what you claim to show that my comments are fabricated.
What Mr. Toulaney & Mr. Basha told me about the Hezbollah have been documented & reported by world news services as well.
I stand by my previous comment(s)

At 8/1/06 06:06 PM, WolvenBear wrote: They're not trying to "disarm them". They're killing them instead. Much more effective.

When you 'disarm' a terrorist group it doesn't mean taking their weapons from them, it means stopping them, or generally destroying them.

The Hezbollah can't be winning, their goal is to destroy Israel - last time I checked Israel was still in one peice...

At 7/31/06 03:03 PM, Lidov wrote:

At 7/31/06 03:01 PM, ellek wrote: Dont ever belive propoganda

Don't speak like that... Propagandas are sometimes right, for example McDonald's is both yummy and healthy and they don't use paper as their bread at all.

Healthy? That's not right. Subways are healthy. McDonalds will give you obesity. LOL!

BOTTOM LINE:
Don't blame Israel.
The only reason Lebanese civilians are hurt, is because their goverment lets a terrorist organization take over their southern border.
Face the consequences.

At 8/1/06 06:06 PM, WolvenBear wrote: and shoot down your pathetic arguments. Yourself?

and feel the need to crrush you completely.

You see that's what I sometimes don't like about the Politics forum, I have a feeling people are really fighting about their arguments, no need to 'crush completely' and 'shoot the pathetic arguments' of someone who disagrees with you...

At 8/2/06 05:24 AM, Anti_Noob wrote: Healthy? That's not right. Subways are healthy. McDonalds will give you obesity. LOL!

Didn't you see all the adverts showing that McDonalds now use healthy oil and sauce? It's more healthy than fruit, I eat at McDonalds 3 times a day. :D

At 8/1/06 06:06 PM, WolvenBear wrote:

At 8/1/06 05:12 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: do you know that in these instant, Hezbollah are winning this war. the Israeli generals themselfs stated that it is impossible to disarm Hizbollah, and every day 10 to 20 Gulany soldier from the israli army are dying. do you think Hezbollah cares obout his dead members. in fact he celebrates every dead soldier in his troops.

OK, so you admit Hezbollah are the bad guys. Good for you. However, Hezbollah is losing. Israel will level Lebanon to defend themselves (as they're doing). Hezbollah will either surrender or it will be eradicated. And 10 to 20 soldiers a day in a war is nothing. The Generals said that about disarming them as a prelude to war. They're not trying to "disarm them". They're killing them instead. Much more effective.

HAHAHAHAHAHA... Hezbollah is losing!!!???
i guess we'll have to wait to see who will win and HAHAHAHAHA...

than why your medias are showing you the israeli doings and killing the civiliens? why are they hiding these photos?

Because the media hates Israel. It's run by the same people who refuse to cover the successes in Iraq and falsely report on war crimes. The same media that played the "massacre of civilians" in the one Lebanese building....who despite being dead for a few hours had no blood around them, and were ashy grey and decaying. The media reports what it wants.

by who? the BBC and CNN are run by those people who refuses to cover the successes in Iraq?

there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.

Yea, it makes them our enemy and Israel's enemy. That's why we're supplying Israel with more weapons.

i showed you the civiliens that israel have killed. israel has killed 800 civiliens since the war had begun. why isn't israel showing us the pics of Hezbollah's bases that she is bombing near the houses or in the houses or wherever you want them to be.

Because it's a war, not a photo op. And they don't care about convincing a child.

Oh yea... why no destroy all Lebanon then? if it is war than does they the right to erase families, villages, cities, countries...?civilisations...?

ah yes... Hezbollah will steal the weapons that the USA is giving to the Lebanese army!!??? r u talking seriously!? and the government is against Hezbollah so she won't fund it. so how is Hezbollah being part of the government affect the fortification of the Lebanese army!?

I'll just simply repeat what you said to show how dumb it is.
"How will funding a government run in part by Hezbollah fund Hezbollah"

i said fund the army not the government. there's the solution. and the army is controlled by Hezbollah too!?

but Bush sent weapons to Israel in this war to help her!

Yea, and the UN condemns Israel. If the US controlled the UN, they'd support Israel. Thanbks for proving yourself wrong. :)

why do they need to support her if Israel will not be punished?

r u playing with me! how was Israel condemned and not punished?

Because the UN condemns people all the time and does nothing. Mostly it's because the UN has no real power. List of the countries that the UN has condemned: Iran, North Korea, Iraq, the US, Israel (every couple of days), etc. Yea, you just keep showing you have no clue what you're talking about.

why does it exist then? only to condemn... what does the security council do?

if the missles were behind the houses then why hitting the houses?

how does the UN plan to solve the Iran nuclear problem than?
and the UN interfered in the Korea problem back in 1950 or so

Because they're missles.....duh.

how old r u?

Old enough to type correctly, make coherent points, know what I'm talking about and shoot down your pathetic arguments. Yourself?

Your inability to type a coherent argument is rather boring. As is the repeated reliance on the failed picture point in response to every. single. question.

But since I'm growing bored with you, and feel the need to crrush you completely.
From the very liberal CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2..east.main/index.html

Things you were absolutely wrong on: 25 IDF forces have died PERIOD, not per day. Israel is making severe gains in the war. They have killed approximately 15% of the Hezbollah forces. The Lebanese government confirms the Israelies are trying to evacute civilians and target only Hezbollah. Hezbollah is now on the defensive, and the attacks into Israel are tapering off (in other words Israel is winning). 557 civilians have been killed not 800.
So in plain terms, you have no clue what you're talking about.

i'm Lebanese... how can you know more than me in these things???
are you telling me about the number of civilians killed in lebanon?
i told you your media isn't showing a thing about the casaulties and you justify your argument with informations from the same media?

http://www.foxnews.c..,2933,206514,00.html

Also confirming the pamphlets and evacuations of civilians.

You can admit you're wrong now.

are you a dictator or something!

At 8/2/06 06:48 AM, DiabloCloud wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA... Hezbollah is losing!!!???

Oh stop that, it looks like you're trying to look like an idiot on purpose, you know...

i guess we'll have to wait to see who will win and HAHAHAHAHA...

Hezbollah's goal: Destroy Israel and kill the most Israeli civilians they can.
Israel's goal: Disarm he Hezbollah.
Do you think the Hezbollah will manage to kill all the civilians in Israel before they are disarmed? You're a funny little one.

by who? the BBC and CNN are run by those people who refuses to cover the successes in Iraq?

Each country has its own strategical position, little one, and some countries prefer to show what they want their people to believe, not always the truth, or only one truth (example: saying Israel kills civilians but not talking about the thousands of Hezbollah rockets that have been fired).

Oh yea... why no destroy all Lebanon then? if it is war than does they the right to erase families, villages, cities, countries...?civilisations...?

Now I understand why he wanted to flame you, you DO sound like an idiot. sorry. You post stuff without knowing anything about the political situation of Lebanon and Israel. Israel doesn't want to kill Lebanese civilians, you nubcake, they are trying to disarm the Hezbollah who are hidden by human shields - which are Lebanese civilians. And what about the Hezbollah? Do they have the right to fire over 1500 rockets on Israel? Stop being so damn ignorant and read some articles before trying to disprove people.

i said fund the army not the government. there's the solution. and the army is controlled by Hezbollah too!?

... Yeah why not give Lebanon super duper coolzor lazer guns to kill the Hezbollah? Wars are more complicated than that, little one, a lot of Lebanese civilians support the Hezbollah and two Hezbollah members are highly placed in the Lebanese government. Your meaningless argument would just start a more meaningless civil war.

why do they need to support her if Israel will not be punished?

Uhh... what?! Why the hell should Israel be punished?

i'm Lebanese... how can you know more than me in these things???

Hmm let's see... The internet, news, government articles...? It's just like I could say I'm Israeli so I know more than you, it's utterly stupid. Just because you're there doesn't mean you know more.

are you telling me about the number of civilians killed in lebanon?

Those civilians are killed by Israel BECAUSE of the Hezbollah, and Israel said they are sorry for every single civilian they had to kill in oreder to protect their country.

are you a dictator or something!

Are you stupid or sometyhing? Stop running away from arguments that disprove your points.

At 8/2/06 07:08 AM, -Toast- wrote:

At 8/2/06 06:48 AM, DiabloCloud wrote: HAHAHAHAHAHA... Hezbollah is losing!!!???

Oh stop that, it looks like you're trying to look like an idiot on purpose, you know...

i guess we'll have to wait to see who will win and HAHAHAHAHA...

Hezbollah's goal: Destroy Israel and kill the most Israeli civilians they can.
Israel's goal: Disarm he Hezbollah.
Do you think the Hezbollah will manage to kill all the civilians in Israel before they are disarmed? You're a funny little one.

who said to you that Hezbollah want to destroy Israel?
every day Israel comes up with a new lie. they said they Killed the leader of Hezbollah, today they said that they have captured three Hezbollah members.where are those captives?... how do you still believe that Israel will disarm Hezbollah?
if she could, she would have done it in 3 or 4 days... you know israel beat the egyptien army in 6 hours.. and now in 21 days they have nothing but lies.

by who? the BBC and CNN are run by those people who refuses to cover the successes in Iraq?

Each country has its own strategical position, little one, and some countries prefer to show what they want their people to believe, not always the truth, or only one truth (example: saying Israel kills civilians but not talking about the thousands of Hezbollah rockets that have been fired).

your media are only talking about Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel. i wonder how they have missed the 800 civiliens killed by israel in Lebanon?

Oh yea... why no destroy all Lebanon then? if it is war than does they the right to erase families, villages, cities, countries...?civilisations...?

Now I understand why he wanted to flame you, you DO sound like an idiot. sorry. You post stuff without knowing anything about the political situation of Lebanon and Israel. Israel doesn't want to kill Lebanese civilians, you nubcake, they are trying to disarm the Hezbollah who are hidden by human shields - which are Lebanese civilians. And what about the Hezbollah? Do they have the right to fire over 1500 rockets on Israel? Stop being so damn ignorant and read some articles before trying to disprove people.

you know that Israel started the war over Lebanon not Hezbollah. and the Leader of Hezbollah said from the first day that they don't want an open war. they just want to make a trade to get back our prisoners in the israeli prisons, cause the Diplomatic solution didn't work with Israel. that is why they kidnaped the two Israeli soldiers.

i said fund the army not the government. there's the solution. and the army is controlled by Hezbollah too!?

... Yeah why not give Lebanon super duper coolzor lazer guns to kill the Hezbollah? Wars are more complicated than that, little one, a lot of Lebanese civilians support the Hezbollah and two Hezbollah members are highly placed in the Lebanese government. Your meaningless argument would just start a more meaningless civil war.

if you live in Lebanon you will find out that Hezbollah isn't the problem. our president support the resistance(Hezbollah). maybe for Israel and the USA but we don't have a problem with Hezbollah.

why do they need to support her if Israel will not be punished?

Uhh... what?! Why the hell should Israel be punished?

you said she was condemned than she should be punished.

i'm Lebanese... how can you know more than me in these things???

Hmm let's see... The internet, news, government articles...? It's just like I could say I'm Israeli so I know more than you, it's utterly stupid. Just because you're there doesn't mean you know more.

do you invent these things? it is sure that i know more than you... i live in Lebanon and you say you know more than me about Hezbollah and our conflict with Israel!?

are you telling me about the number of civilians killed in lebanon?

Those civilians are killed by Israel BECAUSE of the Hezbollah, and Israel said they are sorry for every single civilian they had to kill in oreder to protect their country.

just explain one thing...we said that the missle bases were near the houses... why hitting the house? if not why doesn't Israel use smart bombes that damages only the missle base but not the house? and being sorry doesn't bring back all the dead civilians.
man the USA said sorry for Abo Greab in Iraq. how stupid can the world get.
those pics you are seeing in that site are from the massacre of Qana that Israel has commited in 1996. you know these civilians were hiding in a UN(Unifil) building. but still Israel hit them... was Hezbollah in or near the UN building than?
and she once hit an Ambulance carrying kids inside in 1996... was it a missle base too? you see Israel are hitting Civilians on PURPOSE. and unless Isreal shows us the pics of the missle base near that house in Qana(that they hit on July 30 2006) she will always be guilty for killing innocent people.

are you a dictator or something!

Are you stupid or sometyhing? Stop running away from arguments that disprove your points.

that wasn't an argument. you said that i was wrong. i wasn't running away... i was just trying to be polite but i guess that is something you don't learn in school.

At 8/2/06 11:49 AM, DiabloCloud wrote: who said to you that Hezbollah want to destroy Israel?

Woah, you're either just kidding or you really are an idiot :P It was already stupid enough to want to see 'pics of the rockets', and now this?! Please, please answer the following questions:
- Do you ever read articles about what's happening out there?
- Do you ever listen to news?
- Do you know what common sense is?
- Are you serious?
Both Hezbollah and Iran have officially declared they want the destruction of Israel.

every day Israel comes up with a new lie. they said they Killed the leader of Hezbollah,

Lol no, they never said that.

today they said that they have captured three Hezbollah members.where are those captives?...

Why should they tell anyone? You think they want to show the whole world where the hold their prisoners?

how do you still believe that Israel will disarm Hezbollah?

...

if she could, she would have done it in 3 or 4 days... you know israel beat the egyptien army in 6 hours.. and now in 21 days they have nothing but lies.

Israel is not a woman, it*. I'll just ignore the second part because of its ignorance and silliness.

your media are only talking about Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel. i wonder how they have missed the 800 civiliens killed by israel in Lebanon?

Can you link to a source that shows that? I'm not sure it's 800. Israel does what it can to disarm Hezbollah terrorists, and if those terrorists hide within children and women then there is nothing that can be done about it, though the Israeli government said it was sorry for every Lebanese civilian it had to kill.

you know that Israel started the war over Lebanon not Hezbollah. and the Leader of Hezbollah said from the first day that they don't want an open war. they just want to make a trade to get back our prisoners in the israeli prisons, cause the Diplomatic solution didn't work with Israel. that is why they kidnaped the two Israeli soldiers.

The second part of your paragraph disproves the first part, you admit that they kidnapped the soldiers and therefore started the war.

if you live in Lebanon you will find out that Hezbollah isn't the problem. our president support the resistance(Hezbollah). maybe for Israel and the USA but we don't have a problem with Hezbollah.

Perhaps that is what you think, so that means your resistance, as you say, uses Lebanese CHILDREN to protect important leaders and rocket carriers? Oh come on...

you said she was condemned than she should be punished.

??? I never said Israel was condemned for anything.

do you invent these things? it is sure that i know more than you... i live in Lebanon and you say you know more than me about Hezbollah and our conflict with Israel!?

Gee, just because your home is placed there doesn't mean you know more, I read a lot of official articles and I know what's happening, I never said I know more than anyone else but you definately don't seem to know much.

just explain one thing...we said that the missle bases were near the houses... why hitting the house? if not why doesn't Israel use smart bombes that damages only the missle base but not the house?

They were hidden INSIDE the building, not behind it, and the missile also killed dangerous Hezbollah members in the building.

and being sorry doesn't bring back all the dead civilians.

Oh so tell me, does the Hezbollah bring people it killed with rockets back to life?

man the USA said sorry for Abo Greab in Iraq. how stupid can the world get.

How stupid can YOU get?!

those pics you are seeing in that site are from the massacre of Qana that Israel has commited in 1996. you know these civilians were hiding in a UN(Unifil) building. but still Israel hit them... was Hezbollah in or near the UN building than?

You have no source of information to prove that. And the dozen of pictures there aren't a lot, millions of people died in previous wars.

that wasn't an argument. you said that i was wrong. i wasn't running away... i was just trying to be polite but i guess that is something you don't learn in school.

Sorry, but you don't seem very polite to me... What does it have to do with it anyway?

At 8/2/06 11:49 AM, DiabloCloud wrote: who said to you that Hezbollah want to destroy Israel?

Uh... the Hezbolla themselves?
They know that they cannot truely destroy Israel, but they are trying to break the Israeli spirit and morale.

every day Israel comes up with a new lie. they said they Killed the leader of Hezbollah, today they said that they have captured three Hezbollah members.

Israel never said that. If you are to claim something, give some proof.

if she could, she would have done it in 3 or 4 days... you know israel beat the egyptien army in 6 hours.. and now in 21 days they have nothing but lies.

So... you are complaining about the inefficiency of the IDF, yet you do not want it to kill civillians? This is taking so much time because Israel is being extreamly cautious.

your media are only talking about Hezbollah firing rockets at Israel. i wonder how they have missed the 800 civiliens killed by israel in Lebanon?

I am currently residing in Israel, and the media speaks about casulties on both sides.
So don't make pointless assumptions about things you know nothing about.

you know that Israel started the war over Lebanon not Hezbollah. and the Leader of Hezbollah said from the first day that they don't want an open war. they just want to make a trade to get back our prisoners in the israeli prisons, cause the Diplomatic solution didn't work with Israel. that is why they kidnaped the two Israeli soldiers.

You forgot one little crucial detail: the Hezbolla has been firing rockets at Israel for years. This is not about the kidnapped soldiers, this is about neutralising a threat to Israel.

if you live in Lebanon you will find out that Hezbollah isn't the problem. our president support the resistance(Hezbollah). maybe for Israel and the USA but we don't have a problem with Hezbollah.

I think that you do have a problem with Hezbolla. Without Hezbolla, Israel would have never attacked targets in Lebanon. So, isn't it better not to have Hezbolla?

you said she was condemned than she should be punished.

This argument means so little sense I will ignore it.

do you invent these things? it is sure that i know more than you... i live in Lebanon and you say you know more than me about Hezbollah and our conflict with Israel!?

Like -Toast-, I am Israeli. And anyone around the globe could be as well informed as me if he does some research. Moreover, you have shown such political ignorance that you cannot claim to know more than anyone. Go and get informed better, by information from both sides. For example, you could go to ,Haaretz site which is an Israeli newspaper.

just explain one thing...we said that the missle bases were near the houses... why hitting the house? if not why doesn't Israel use smart bombes that damages only the missle base but not the house? and being sorry doesn't bring back all the dead civilians.: man the USA said sorry for Abo Greab in Iraq. how stupid can the world get.
those pics you are seeing in that site are from the massacre of Qana that Israel has commited in 1996. you know these civilians were hiding in a UN(Unifil) building. but still Israel hit them... was Hezbollah in or near the UN building than?
and she once hit an Ambulance carrying kids inside in 1996... was it a missle base too? you see Israel are hitting Civilians on PURPOSE. and unless Isreal shows us the pics of the missle base near that house in Qana(that they hit on July 30 2006) she will always be guilty for killing innocent people.

The Hezbolla is not an organised army. It doesn't have "missle bases". It has a couple of guys with weapons hidden in their basements. They Hezbolla DELIBERATELY cover their weapons with civillians so that Israel won't dare to attack them. An example for this I heard several days ago in the news: a Hezbolla rocket convoy was spotted by the IDF. And on the rockets themselves, were children. Hezbolla is using Lebanese civillians as shields. Israel is not attacking innicent people, it is attacking Hezbolla who are hiding behind innocent people. Hezbolla is a blight on Lebanon, not a "liberator", as it claims to be.
They are the ones you should be blaiming for the destruction in your country.

that wasn't an argument. you said that i was wrong. i wasn't running away... i was just trying to be polite but i guess that is something you don't learn in school.

And calling someone a dictator is polite?

Please, try to see things also from an Israeli point of view. Innocent people in Israel are suffering too.We all wish for this war too end quickly and without too many deaths.