Check out this website and tell me what do you think of the goverment of Israel..
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don't you think the world has to make a move.
The new Democracy
Israel is just bad...
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At 7/31/06 04:44 AM, DiabloCloud wrote: Check out this website and tell me what do you think of the goverment of Israel..
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don't you think the world has to make a move.
The new Democracy
That site's not the official Israel Government site.
If you only read propaganda, you'll only be brainwashed.
Try these instead:
This one or
this one.
There is plenty of sites about Israel, but those are official.
haha, because the official isreali government sites BOUND to be non-baised
At 7/31/06 08:31 AM, emmytee wrote: haha, because the official isreali government sites BOUND to be non-baised
Oh, and the sites made by Muslim radicals ISN'T baised? Sure.
hmm, a website that sounds like al-jazeera... the terrorist hunt is on.
For the record...
a) only about 1/10 of the pictures on that site are from present day lebanon, if that many.
b) when there are people firing rockets out of schools, how can you stop them other than blowing up the school?
c) so what kids write on artillery, people did that in WWII and I don't hear you, or anyone else, bitching about that.
d) no, I don't condone the killing of innocent children, but there are things called the casualties of war, a war I might add that Israel didn't start and doesn't want, lebanon brought it on themselves.
You can find footage like that from any war, from anywhere in the world at any time, it's not hard, I don't get what your point is.
(P.S. if you want unbiased israeli accounts go to www.jpost.com (left wing) or www.arutzsheva.com (ultra right wing) usually the truth is somewhere in the middle, but occasionally one will be right.
At 7/31/06 09:54 AM, IgnorantSentient wrote: d) no, I don't condone the killing of innocent children, but there are things called the casualties of war, a war I might add that Israel didn't start and doesn't want, lebanon brought it on themselves.
Go to hell! How dare you talk in a patronizing tone to a country that did not want anything to do with this war.
Insert foot in mouth.
Now, I concur with the starter of this topic, Israel is not what it is cracked up to be by our biased media. Listen, I guess the facts that Israel has targeted (and killed) many Lebanese civilians have been "over looked", huh? What can we expect from such a "civilized" nation if they go around killing innocents in an attempt to root out the bad.
Had America done such a thing... people would be raising hell.
I'm going to try to simplify what is going on in Lebanon.
The Israeli armed forces are attacking Hezbollah Terrorists (cowards actually) that are in Southern Lebanon.
These cowards are a larger & better financed armed faction than the Lebanese armed forces.
These cowards are financed & supplied directly by Syria & Iran (Iraq was a supporter not anymore Yay!!!!!!!) There are also mant other mideastern Gov.'s that secretely help finance this terrorist action.
The Lebanese Goverment is not strong enough to be able to remove the Hezbollah faction out of its territory.
These cowards are using the citizens of Lebanon as human sheilds to wage war on Israel.
THis is exactly how 2 friends of mine from Lebanon now here in Canada spoke to me on this subject.
They also spoke of how people in communities controlled by the Hezbollah are virtual prisoners in their own country with no where to turn for help.
How so called Hezbollah courts try and execute people in Lebanon by their rules not the rule of law. there is no appeal, judged 1 minute executed in the next .
These cowardly terrorists are sending a constant barrage of missle attacks against the Israeli people & their Goverment is attempting to protect its own people.
So before you go trying to condem or Blame Israel or Lebanon, you should instead realize that it is just a very large well funded group of terrorists called the Hezbollah that is actually causing this terrible conflict.
BUT the real criminal Goveerments are the Syrian & Iranian's.
Those who have only the religious opinions of others in their head & worship them. Have no room for their own thoughts & no room to contemplate anyone elses ideas either-More
At 7/31/06 01:34 PM, morefngdbs wrote: I'm going to try to simplify what is going on in Lebanon.
The Israeli armed forces are attacking Hezbollah Terrorists (cowards actually) that are in Southern Lebanon.
PLZ can you explain why r they cowards? do you mean cauze they hit the Israeli army and run? if you don't know, this is how the resistance in all its history had worked.
These cowards are a larger & better financed armed faction than the Lebanese armed forces.
These cowards are financed & supplied directly by Syria & Iran (Iraq was a supporter not anymore Yay!!!!!!!) There are also mant other mideastern Gov.'s that secretely help finance this terrorist action.
you r saying that Hezbollah is larger and better than the Lebanese army. then why dosn't the USA help the Lebanese goverment by supplying it with weapons instead of trying to disarm Hezbollah? and you say that Hezbollah is supplied by other countries... can you tell me who supplies Israel? isn't the USA the one that supplies Israel? than there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.
The Lebanese Goverment is not strong enough to be able to remove the Hezbollah faction out of its territory.
Can the USA help the Lebanese Gov and army by giving us the prohibited weapons that she is giving to Israel to kill civilians in lebanon?
and why isn't Israel punneshed for using these weapons. maybe because the USA controls the security council and all the United Nation organization.
These cowards are using the citizens of Lebanon as human sheilds to wage war on Israel.
how r they using them? just tell me.. if(and only if because it isn't true) Hezbollah is firing missles from somewhere next to the houses... than why hitting the houses!?
THis is exactly how 2 friends of mine from Lebanon now here in Canada spoke to me on this subject.
They also spoke of how people in communities controlled by the Hezbollah are virtual prisoners in their own country with no where to turn for help.
How so called Hezbollah courts try and execute people in Lebanon by their rules not the rule of law. there is no appeal, judged 1 minute executed in the next .
that isn't true.
These cowardly terrorists are sending a constant barrage of missle attacks against the Israeli people & their Goverment is attempting to protect its own people.
So before you go trying to condem or Blame Israel or Lebanon, you should instead realize that it is just a very large well funded group of terrorists called the Hezbollah that is actually causing this terrible conflict.
BUT the real criminal Goveerments are the Syrian & Iranian's.
this is surprizing.. all the groups against the USA and Israel are terrorists.
why is this... are they Gods so that they don't do anything wrong? what about what they done in Iraq... wasn't they(USA) the terrrists!?
At 7/31/06 02:56 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: PLZ can you explain why r they cowards? do you mean cauze they hit the Israeli army and run? if you don't know, this is how the resistance in all its history had worked.
They are cowards because they launch missiles at us then go hide themselves among innocent civillians which they don't care about. I find it hardly courageous. If they were actually brave they would have fought us "face to face" without risking the poeple of Lebanon.
At 7/31/06 04:44 AM, DiabloCloud wrote: Check out this website and tell me what do you think of the goverment of Israel..
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don't you think the world has to make a move.
The new Democracy
Dont ever belive propoganda
At 7/31/06 03:01 PM, ellek wrote: Dont ever belive propoganda
Don't speak like that... Propagandas are sometimes right, for example McDonald's is both yummy and healthy and they don't use paper as their bread at all.
lol we all know muslims ar fags muhamid can suck my dick !!! islam is the infidal... isreal is helping to get rid of the terrorust crap that that would be you.. i hope they drop a bomb on your house...
First of all Lebanon attacked Israel not the other way around. The Lebanese government sanctioned and legitimized the Hesbala prior to the out break of hostilities. So if your going to feel sorry for them understand that the brought it on themselves.
At 7/31/06 03:00 PM, Lidov wrote: They are cowards because they launch missiles at us then go hide themselves among innocent civillians which they don't care about. I find it hardly courageous. If they were actually brave they would have fought us "face to face" without risking the poeple of Lebanon.
Thank you. Altough I will disagree on the part that Israel has the right to fire at the innocents. That, too, is hardly courageous. Innocents should never be harmed. Families die because rockets kill innocent people. Israel must wage a land war, not a dangerous missle based one. Destroying Lebanon's highways and its beautiful airport is not to be lauded.
At 7/31/06 10:06 AM, CadillacClock wrote: Not in every ones Country. Teaching children the acts of war and how to use the weapons given is some what disturbing.
You mean kinda like what almost every Islamic country does? You know: Iran, Syria, etc.
The Lebanese citizens wanted nothing to do with this war. It was a simple matter that Israel jumped onto. A matter which was not worthy of war terms. Now that the war has begun Israeli military leaders are under fire for using bombs with a higher rate of missing there target.
Except for the fact that several Hezbollah members were elected to the Lebanese government. And an act of war is an act of war, whether it be big or small. Just because the American government will allow blatant hostilities to our armed forces with no response for a decade doesn't mean Israel has to.
Casualties of war are generally justified, but not when they're intentional.
When a military enemy surrounds themselves with civilian targets, the civilian targets generally die. Sad, but hardly a case that Israel is happily killing civilians. They weren't targeting the civilians.
It's biased; yet, it shows the other disturbing side to this war. As such you have to wonder who the real evil is. The Hezbollah, Lebanese, or the Israelis.
It's really not hard to see who the evil is. Hezbollah. No question.
At 7/31/06 10:42 AM, drDAK wrote: Now, I concur with the starter of this topic, Israel is not what it is cracked up to be by our biased media. Listen, I guess the facts that Israel has targeted (and killed) many Lebanese civilians have been "over looked", huh? What can we expect from such a "civilized" nation if they go around killing innocents in an attempt to root out the bad.
Our biased media makes Israel look like the bad guy. It's kinda like the rest of the world, people piss and moan about Israel, but never say a damn thing about the cowards they're fighting.
Had America done such a thing... people would be raising hell.
Exactly. But notice no one condemns Hezbollah.
And I'm sory, but if you don't see constant condemnation of Israel by the UN and world community as "raising hell", I question where your head is.
At 7/31/06 02:56 PM, DiabloCloud wrote: PLZ can you explain why r they cowards? do you mean cauze they hit the Israeli army and run? if you don't know, this is how the resistance in all its history had worked.
Let me start by saying, type coherently.
Next, they're cowards for: deliberately targeting civilians NOT surrounding a military target, surrounding THEMSELVES with innocent children, etc.
you r saying that Hezbollah is larger and better than the Lebanese army. then why dosn't the USA help the Lebanese goverment by supplying it with weapons instead of trying to disarm Hezbollah? and you say that Hezbollah is supplied by other countries... can you tell me who supplies Israel? isn't the USA the one that supplies Israel? than there is no problem in other Gov. suppling Hezbollah.
Hezbollah is IN the Lebanese government. We would be directly funding a terrorist group.
Can the USA help the Lebanese Gov and army by giving us the prohibited weapons that she is giving to Israel to kill civilians in lebanon?
and why isn't Israel punneshed for using these weapons. maybe because the USA controls the security council and all the United Nation organization.
You have zero clue how the world works. The US controls the UN? What a joke.
how r they using them? just tell me.. if(and only if because it isn't true) Hezbollah is firing missles from somewhere next to the houses... than why hitting the houses!?
You're an idiot. "How are they using the citizens? You mean by hiding in them and then firing at Israel so the citizens take the wrath? I don't see how that's cowardlyor using the citizenry at all!"
that isn't true.
Your knowledge of the subject is far from complete enough to comment on this.
It is a shame that the government breaks the law more than the criminals it punishes.
At 7/31/06 03:52 PM, lapis wrote:At 7/31/06 03:47 PM, troubles1 wrote: lol we all know muslims ar fags muhamid can suck my dick !!! islam is the infidal... isreal is helping to get rid of the terrorust crap that that would be you.. i hope they drop a bomb on your house...You're hilarious, really.
why thank you my friend, its bad when these people blam isreal and theUSA and all our allies who are fighting to get rid of terrousts witch will make there country a safer place for everyone. i am sorry that innocent people get hurt but the fact is if we do nothing the islamic extremists will hurt more people.. i also understand that not all of islam is bad but lets face it no other religon is causing so much death, pain, and hardships on the world.. they have brought it on themselfs..
Israel is invading the independent country of Lebanon, killing innocent women and children - anything that stands on its way to domination in this region. So, where are the United States to defend the democracy and peace on earth? The americans invaded Serbia and destroyed churches which were 400 years older than the US itself, and all this for far smaller reason. Therefore, the US should have already invaded Israel and overthrown the government.
Yeah, but America spends billions of dolars each year to keep the economy of Israel alive. Protected by the greatest military force on earth, how do you expect the israeli people to show any mercy? No, this war aint gonna be ended that easily, thrust me on that. And no matter what the half-jewish Condoleezza Rice says, the USA wont do anything to stop Israel.
Yes, Israel is bad indeed! You should have noticed that for the past half a century.
At 7/31/06 04:13 PM, drDAK wrote: Thank you. Altough I will disagree on the part that Israel has the right to fire at the innocents. That, too, is hardly courageous. Innocents should never be harmed. Families die because rockets kill innocent people. Israel must wage a land war, not a dangerous missle based one. Destroying Lebanon's highways and its beautiful airport is not to be lauded.
Dude, those pictures gross me out too, but you're really ignorant. Innocents will always be armed in acts of war, there is no way around it because war itself is stupid and barbaric. How can you possibly say Israel has to wage a land war? Have you ever played Chess? Israel is so small it'd be like sending three-quarters of it's front row off to die. Israel can't afford the man power to occupy lebanon, and certainly no one rushed ot help Israel when they were being fired rockets at.
I understand you're idealistic, and that's fine. You can preach that this shouldn't be happening, but it is. And you certainly can't paint Israel as the bad guy because everyone is at fault, and it's always the innocents who get fucked either way.
I must lollerskate on this matter.
At 7/31/06 04:13 PM, drDAK wrote: Thank you. Altough I will disagree on the part that Israel has the right to fire at the innocents. That, too, is hardly courageous. Innocents should never be harmed. Families die because rockets kill innocent people. Israel must wage a land war, not a dangerous missle based one. Destroying Lebanon's highways and its beautiful airport is not to be lauded.
Why should they waste their soldiers lives? Hezbollah would still use human shields and innocents would still die. Every innocent dead's blood is on the Islamic monster's hands, not Israel's.
At 7/31/06 07:50 PM, -Glaciar- wrote: Israel is invading the independent country of Lebanon, killing innocent women and children - anything that stands on its way to domination in this region. So, where are the United States to defend the democracy and peace on earth? The americans invaded Serbia and destroyed churches which were 400 years older than the US itself, and all this for far smaller reason. Therefore, the US should have already invaded Israel and overthrown the government.
Yeah, but America spends billions of dolars each year to keep the economy of Israel alive. Protected by the greatest military force on earth, how do you expect the israeli people to show any mercy? No, this war aint gonna be ended that easily, thrust me on that. And no matter what the half-jewish Condoleezza Rice says, the USA wont do anything to stop Israel.
Yes, Israel is bad indeed! You should have noticed that for the past half a century.
You're an idiot. Hezbollah started transgressions and Israel is defending themselves. Only a buffoon would argue that Israel is trying to "dominate the region" when they continue to cede land to the Palestinian terrorists.
It is a shame that the government breaks the law more than the criminals it punishes.
At 7/31/06 08:11 PM, WolvenBear wrote: You're an idiot. Hezbollah started transgressions and Israel is defending themselves. Only a buffoon would argue that Israel is trying to "dominate the region" when they continue to cede land to the Palestinian terrorists.
That's how people want Israel to fight their wars; dragging it's own citizens out of their homes and giving those parts of the country away. The strategy is to keep doing it 'till the terrorists can't find parts of Israel to attack anymore. Take THAT terrorists!
I must lollerskate on this matter.
Hezbollah is the one locating their missile launching sites on and by civillian buildings. Hezbollah started it. Blame them.
And "Kiryat shmona" is the town that has been consistently struck by missiles.
Fuck hezbollah :)
At 7/31/06 08:20 PM, Nylo wrote: That's how people want Israel to fight their wars; dragging it's own citizens out of their homes and giving those parts of the country away. The strategy is to keep doing it 'till the terrorists can't find parts of Israel to attack anymore. Take THAT terrorists!
No, people want Israel to paint a huge three mile target on the ground, hand over a nuke to Palestine, have all their citizens stand in the target and sing We Are the World as Palestine locks on the missle. And heaven forbid anyone survives, because then they'd be "denying the world community". Until the last Jew stands at the edge of a pit of bodies, screams I surrender in French and then is executed, the UN and the Arab world won't be happy.
It is a shame that the government breaks the law more than the criminals it punishes.
Damn true. The terrorists will NOT stop until we stop them or until we capitulate. And WE WILL NOT SURRENDER TO TERROR.
Israelis are getting killed, and Israel's military doesn't hide its forces among civillians.
Oh, by the way, Hezbollah killed Israeli-Arabs.
You're an idiot. Hezbollah started transgressions and Israel is defending themselves. Only a buffoon would argue that Israel is trying to "dominate the region" when they continue to cede land to the Palestinian terrorists.
No, my friend, YOU are the deceived one (I still dont want to use offensive words). Remember how Britain attacked Egypt, or why the US government decided to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. Things are always not what they seem to be, but you have to know what to look for.
There are many books written on this subject, you should read some. But then you would be considered racist, so make your choice by yourself.
I'm not defending Hezbollah. Just hoping not to see the jews pretending to be victims after the whole thing... again...
I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy awakening.
At 7/31/06 10:28 PM, -Glaciar- wrote:
Remember how Britain attacked Egypt
Oh, you mean the Suez Crisis? The attacks on Egypt were justified.
At 7/31/06 08:11 PM, WolvenBear wrote: Why should they waste their soldiers lives? Hezbollah would still use human shields and innocents would still die. Every innocent dead's blood is on the Islamic monster's hands, not Israel's.
Yeah... you're a really moral person. Shove it. Do not pin point this on Islam, I could retort many time over about Judaism.
See what religion does?
At 7/31/06 08:07 PM, Nylo wrote: Dude, those pictures gross me out too, but you're really ignorant.
I know 10x what you do about this conflict.
Israel is so small it'd be like sending three-quarters of it's front row off to die. Israel can't afford the man power to occupy lebanon, and certainly no one rushed ot help Israel when they were being fired rockets at.
Help should have been requested before they started a war, Israel is saying "we can do this without international troops, lets go ahead and bomb away". Sure, it's spur of the moment, but there would be no argument here if Israel did the right thing to begin with.
I understand you're idealistic, and that's fine. You can preach that this shouldn't be happening, but it is. And you certainly can't paint Israel as the bad guy because everyone is at fault, and it's always the innocents who get fucked either way.
I understand, and agree.
Ideas are what make peace. Peace is what we need.
Both sides are wrong.
I don't understand how people in this topic can say that lebanon didn't start this war.
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Hezbolah started the war, as i recollect, by declaring open war on Israel. Hezbolah was at that time, and still is at current time, a part of the lebanese government. By condoning (by that i mean not denouncing, like many other nations) lebanon brings war upon itself, again, see above, a war it started.
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What kind of country uses the services of a known global terrorist organization anyway?
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Oh, and how dare you say that Israel knowingly and purposefully attacks civilians, thats disgustingly untrue and you have no proof to back yourself up so just go hang yourself or something, make the world a better place.
At 7/31/06 10:39 PM, IgnorantSentient wrote:
What kind of country uses the services of a known global terrorist organization anyway?
Iran, Syria, the Palestinian Authority administered areas...?
