At 5/6/06 05:07 PM, -Luis- wrote:
Im somewhat increasingly disappointed in this thread... the massive downvoting and just obscure unconstructive e-mails/reviews are against what we were trying to do.... the point was to raise awareness not have people conclude that we are all a bunch of whiny pubeless preteens.
You may think youre getting him back but your just making the whole group look bad and immature.
-L
I thought my email was quite constructive. I tried to be nice to him as much as it hurt me:
Hi, I'm sure you get hundreds of emails about JRF, but please read this. It's not just an email hurling abuse. So please, just spend a few moments reading it. I know it's quite long, but i think it could sort out the whole "negOne" situation in a way that willplease all.
JRF2 rocks, and I can understand that you put a lot of effort into it, and probably feel that with everyone telling you neg should get more credit, that people are under-estimating just how much work you have done. You have obviously put in more work than negativeOne; you came up with the idea, did all the art, voice acting, animation, and all of that is excellent.
But, programming of the game is also very important. Just open the fla document and see the lines and lines of code in all different movieclips, frames and levels. Just think that all that code wasn't just copied and pasted in 20 minutes from some other game he had made, it was all written by negOne purely for JRF. Not only that, but with all that code, there was probably hundreds of mistakes made on his first attempt. Imagine going through all that code trying to work out which "(" shouldn't be there, or where he spelt "hitTest" wrong. Programming isn't just about writing a few lines of code, it's about learning, problem solving and patients.
I'm pretty sure that the main reason you don't want to co authr neg is because you want people to think of JRF as a "vastcool" game, which is fair enough. It's you're idea, and people should know that, from your point of view, it wouldn't be fair if someone was getting the same amount of credit as you, but if you co-authored negOne, he wouldn't get as much credit as you. For starters, when someone typed in negativeOne on the NG search bar, JRF2 wouldn't even appear on the list of his submissions. You would still get the same amount of credit.
Lets compare this with the "decline of video gaming" series(http://www.newground..m/portal/view
/253824). If you ask anyone on newgrounds who created that, the answer would be "the super flash bros", even though it can quite easily be seen that Double_Helix was co-authored. People would still see JRF as a vastcool series, even if negOne was co-authored. The people of newgrounds recognise that if someone is co-authored, they don't necessarily have an equal part in the production of the flash, just something quite big to do with the flash (and believe me, programming it is quite a large chunk of the game).
The way i see it, theres two possible outcomes:
If you don't co-author negOne, half the people viewing JRF2 will think it's a vastcool series and will give you all respect; the other half will think that negOne did half of it and will think you're a dick for not co-authoring him, you will probably be seen as a sort of villain on newgrounds, you won't be able to find a good programmer for the next game, and the score of all future submissions by you will most likely suffer, not to mension ConspiracyGames.
If you do co-author him, people will realise that nge had a part in the production. The game will still be under your name and no one elses, you will be the first and most important author on the authors list, it will reduce any damadge done to your reputation, stop people from complaining, JRF will still be seen as a vastcool series, you will find it easier to find a programmer for the next episode, it will not reduce your popularity (infact it will increase it), and it will not reduce traffic to your site.
I believe that co-authoring neg would benefit for everyone, it may make you feel like you've given in and are a weak person, but trust me, thats not how people will see it. I hope i have managed to put my opinions across as i hoped, but if not thank you for reading (if you are still reading this).
Good luck with any future games,
Cybex
