I vote fairly and I dont like the idea of + or - 0 to 5 is fine, by the way, I'm a dark user, so I usually need a good flash to keep me happy. And thats why I give alot of things 0-3 mostly 2, which Tom said. The whole thing about blam and protection points should maybe be taken off to prevent people from actually not watching the movie...which is there a way to make it so the person has to watch the movie? Also, put up the graveyard where people can vote on it if they want, maybe could be revived back. What I'd like to see, is maybe Tom and Wade delete alot of the entries on the site, THE SITE IS SO PACKED! 14,000 portal entries at least, and all the ad's and pictures...takes the site an hour to load :/. But just my suggestion. I figure if you can maybe take off those porno ad's at the bottom, seeing how they are quite pointless, it would help alot. PeAcE~! -KamI
At 1/9/03 11:53 PM, Blazen86 wrote: You should make it that all users have to get to a cerain lv before they can actualy collect blam/protection points.
Then maybe they would watch the movie insead of blamming it first.
no, main blammers are high levels... lvl 01s cant do much..
well im still gonna blam everything that deserves to be blammed whether they put effort into it or not. What is wrong with people who send in sh!t like the stuff on the movie (a tribute to blaminators) and they sey they put so much effort into it but it sux dick. But i guess if my experiance points r at risk than ill watch the movie before i most likly blam it, but i guess im starting to protect stuff even though my experiance points r 2 low to make a difference.
At 1/10/03 12:01 AM, Blam-Clock wrote: well im still gonna blam everything that deserves to be blammed whether they put effort into it or not. What is wrong with people who send in sh!t like the stuff on the movie (a tribute to blaminators) and they sey they put so much effort into it but it sux dick. But i guess if my experiance points r at risk than ill watch the movie before i most likly blam it, but i guess im starting to protect stuff even though my experiance points r 2 low to make a difference.
Have you even attempted flash? Probably not. SO how do you know what a good quality movie for an average flash user is? To me you know nothing about quality, but just blam anything that hasnt been submitted by someone like synj, section8studios or other pros
Movies by Blam-Clock:
- none -
So much text to wade through, and so much to consider when you're trying to find out your personal belief on this whole issue.
Is this anti-blamming?
No, it's not. It's anti-crap. NG has always been such.
The biggest flaw with blamming is that something someone wants to blam is a viewer's personal opinion. They may find the topic offensive, or the joke trying to be portrayed as cruel or crass, where others would just chuckle and move on. Newgrounds was never a place for a provincial sort of view, viewers have to see the forest for what it is.
And, if in terms of keeping that forest a healthy entity, some plants and weeds must be pulled, be they flash or be they viewers.
There was talk of a +/- System, and initially I nodded my head, but the world is not so nice in that it falls into black and white areas. The current 0-5 system allows for a very good way to place what you believe a movie is, the more the range, the more the ability to express your opinion. Arguably, yes, you could throw in a neutral to this equation, +, O, -, I believe was what was mentioned, but I believe that a lot of the votes would tend toward the center. I cannot make that generalization about everyone, but even then that system doesn't have numbers it would work with. You're voting positive, great. How much does that raise the rating? What about neutral? It does nothing but give the score it currently has? A simple system of three has too many flaws... with the current system implemented yes there are problems, but at least they are thought into more than the others.
Of course, that range also brings into consideration those that do not care in the slightest, and that range that once helped express valid and justified views, is now just thrown to the wind and used to chip away at a submission's rating. C'est la vie. Some people have the rose-tinted glasses, others threw those glasses away in disgust years ago.
The note of the idea of having to watch the movie before voting was something I've been curious about for a long while now. I always wondered if the voting system could be on a thirty-second delay or something like that after a page loads, so that gives ample time to watch, or if not watch partially load a submission. By the time a user is able to vote, they possibly could be more likely to watch it if they normally wouldn't, etc. Of course, by the same idea, they could just load the page and alt-tab to something else they are working on, or go watch TV.
I was toying with the idea that to vote on a submission, you would need some sort of reference code, somewhat like the Portal ID but it would be containted within the flash at some point, but it would require changing the flash files after they are submitted to NG and that's just... messy.
I really have no idea when it comes to coding things, with cookies and all that, but would it be too 'out there' to suggest that when you open up the window for a submission, that some little pop-up opens that you can then vote for the movie in that? Most Flash on NG is smaller than the optimal part of the screen, a mini-vote bar wouldn't be too detrimental to the viewing experience, and would at least require users to do the bare-minimum to vote on a movie. Click on the View Link.
- Beo
At 1/10/03 12:04 AM, ArcticAvalanche wrote:At 1/10/03 12:01 AM, Blam-Clock wrote: well im still gonna blam everything that deserves to be blammed whether they put effort into it or not. What is wrong with people who send in sh!t like the stuff on the movie (a tribute to blaminators) and they sey they put so much effort into it but it sux dick. But i guess if my experiance points r at risk than ill watch the movie before i most likly blam it, but i guess im starting to protect stuff even though my experiance points r 2 low to make a difference.Have you even attempted flash? Probably not. SO how do you know what a good quality movie for an average flash user is? To me you know nothing about quality, but just blam anything that hasnt been submitted by someone like synj, section8studios or other pros
Movies by Blam-Clock:
- none -
Movies: I dont make em i just break em. And i know a pro movie when i see on, although my account is new, iv been going to newgrounds since pico1 and transformer movies were on so shut up.
At 1/9/03 09:52 PM, WadeFulp wrote:
:0 is there for one reason, a submission is stolen, offensive, malicious, or complete and utter crap that you know the submitter just threw together to submit something. It's not for "Oh, I didn't really like this, it's not my thing". That is a 2, and maybe a 1 if it's poorly done.
I see 0 differently. If I don't like the movie, because I think it sucks Im not going to give it a 2 or a 1, if I think it sucks it is getting the full 0 from me. If I don't like the movie, and I want it gone, I am going to vote the lowest I can so it will hopefully be blammed quicker. If I find a movie is crap, and vote a 1 on it, and it survives RIGHT at the threshold, it could have been my 0 that could have killed it. But because I decided to vote a 1 instead now the piece of crap will stay on newgrounds.
The point is... Don't lose your dinosaur.
While I strongly enjoy getting more power through blams, I agree that content has been shit on far too much on the portal lately, and I'm very pleased that Tom and yourself are doing something to curb the irresponsible behavior.
Not that I have any flash skills whatsoever, I've only once even seen the program run....
Power to the people (unless they're too dumb or mean to use it right) !!!
At 1/9/03 11:58 PM, ooalien182 wrote: This is proof right here...."Death to the Insect"... it's getting blammed... yes, it's pretty pointless and features a stick man... but it at least deserved a 1 for effort... it's better than most of the crap, although it is still pretty dumb itself...
I thought that movie was funny. It was short, but I loved the sound effects, and the art of the bug and stuff was kinda cool. It was going to be blammed. Now I wouldn't punish anyone for blamming something like that because it's kinda on the edge. However I manually protected it so it maybe turd of the week. ;)
At 1/10/03 12:14 AM, Blam-Clock wrote: Movies: I dont make em i just break em. And i know a pro movie when i see on, although my account is new, iv been going to newgrounds since pico1 and transformer movies were on so shut up.
First of all, you moron, dont disgrace clocks more by showing your stupidity. Secondly, this is suppose to be a site where EVERYONE can display their work. Usually pros have websites, but why cant other people display their work here... maybe to get discovered or to get tips on how to be better. People like you ruin newgrounds. I have been coming since 98 so you shut the fuck up.
At 1/10/03 12:03 AM, Kamikaze7 wrote: Those porno ads are stupid, I guess they can stay if they make a difference, but whatever is keeping the site from running well (mostly the portal entries) should be deleted so people with ghey comps like me can watch shit too ^^.
Uh, we just had a massive upgrade, the site has been running very well for me, it's not for you? Are you on 28k or something?
I thought that movie was funny. It was short, but I loved the sound effects, and the art of the bug and stuff was kinda cool. It was going to be blammed. Now I wouldn't punish anyone for blamming something like that because it's kinda on the edge. However I manually protected it so it maybe turd of the week. ;)
Good goin', man =)
You ever pick up a video game mag? You see how they rate video games? Yeah, I think that would solve your problem. Sure I give you Flash Masterpiece a big fat ONE for "entertainment value", but for all that hard work you put into it I gave it a 5 for "production value" . . . I'm just saying add a few more catagories. Solves your problems, and gives the creators a little feedback in the process. . . . just a thought.
At 1/10/03 12:07 AM, ChillingEmblem wrote: Don't you think sending warning emails is a bit much?
Yeah, that's why I apologized. However, if we find people who are abusing the system (voting 0 on things everyone else is trying to protect, basically voting 0 on everything good and bad) we will deal with them.
I have an amazing Idea! Get rid of blam points, save points and levels, then maybe when people aren't gaining from blamming, they will vote fairly. Oh yeah, and maybe it will stop the elitist bullshit in the main BBS, veterans, n00bs, it sooooo annoys me, that instead of listening to my opinion, someone just says 'Shut the fuck up n00b'
I feel grouchy.
hmm...
First off I think that Newgrounds if they want to make this place fair need to set standards for the ratings becuse someone might think to herself hmm.. this looks good ill give it a 3, while her friend might think its good and give it a 4, what if they both liked it the same, why would one give it a 3 and one a four? does this matter to the flash they watched becides a score?
Should the scale be changed or modified so that the 0 means what its meant to be (What ever it was meant to be origanaly)
for a :
0 - the flash would be one of the kind that you would blow the whistle on.
1- the flash would be one where the joke was overused (i.e. tricky, sticks, so on and so forth)
2- the begining of the threshold for a bad movie but still deserving to be on the portal.
3 -Somewhat enjoyable flash.
4- a good flash movie/or game.
5- a great flash.
I don't know why people would just vote 0 for everything becuse from what I know protection points work just like blam points. I believe I am fair with my voting.
Maybe if NG got rid of the point system for blamming and protecting then the blammers would stop trying to remove all flash, (except for the truely crappy ones).
I realize that the final decision is up to the admin of NG and they will do what ever they feel will be best for this site. Good luck Tom, Wade, and Liljim.
Maybe if NG got rid of the point system for blamming and protecting then the blammers would stop trying to remove all flash, (except for the truely crappy ones).
I agree with this completely... If it wasn't for the BLAM points being easier to get than PROTECTION points, the blammers wouoldn't have a point, a goal, a purpose... and perhaps they'd quit ebin' assholes
If you want to warn people about abusing the system that is ok. Then if they continue then they deserve their ass being punted. Like I said before someone who has 1,000 Blams and almost no protects are just going for collecting points. Maybe awarding a 1.5 blam point for people who voted 1's and a 1.5 protect point for those who voted 3 or 4 since they are on the border. That way, people who vote fair have a higher chance of reward since they aren't maximizing their blam/protect chance.
I have seen some good work get unusually low scores and still voted 3 or 4. BUT these whiny bitches who put in substandard work and cry about getting blammed get a F***IN LIFE!!! If I went to my boss/client and submitted substandard code/product, guess what???? THEY FIRE MY ASS!!!! They don't give you a trophy for coming in last. Either put the time in like Legendary Frog or get creative with a interesting/fun concept like Eskimo Bob, Godfart, Clock Crew etc....
I don't understand why this is stirring up so much rage. If you guys don't like the way things run, go start your own website, and take your bickering with you. Newgrounds- the concept, the actuality, the people that run it, and the fanbase- are all a revolution far ahead of anything I've seen of its kind. This place is phenomenal, and Tom and Wade bend over backwards making this place enjoyable for everything. Hell, take a look at all the upgrades and readjustments.
This shouldn't be as big of a deal as everyone is making it. Plain and simple, if you're just voting zeroes down the line, you're being an ass, and they're calling you out for that. If you're voting with the majority, then you're in the clear. The people they're going after are the ones who are voting the same, no matter what the general populus thinks. Why can't you all get that through your heads?
Guys, keep up the good work, it's nice to see you're spearheading troublemakers. While I can see where people are getting upset, they don't realize (as I think Wade posted once) that this will only eliminate the .001% of the buttheads out there voting ludicrously.
I can't help it if the majority of what I vote on is complete garbage. Would you rather we leave shit like these Tricky The Clown movies to clog the portal instead of blamming them like they deserve?
It's not fair to punish those of us that vote fairly and just happen to watch a lot of crap.
If Apple Jacks aren't going to taste like real apples, then they can get a regular job like everybody else.
Wade, seriously whats the difference between the 0 and 5 and they way u guys want it? Look if u vote 0 or 1 i think its gonna lower the score of the entry and u get a blam point. If u vote 2,3,4,5 i think (except maybe 2) its gonna raise the score and u get a protection point.
Thats why I like the + and - idea.
At 1/10/03 12:31 AM, boredashell wrote: I have an amazing Idea! Get rid of blam points, save points and levels, then maybe when people aren't gaining from blamming, they will vote fairly. Oh yeah, and maybe it will stop the elitist bullshit in the main BBS, veterans, n00bs, it sooooo annoys me, that instead of listening to my opinion, someone just says 'Shut the fuck up n00b'
I feel grouchy.
Sorry to break this to ya, but that crap has been going on since the rating system was created. Even way back in the "way back" before people even worried about getting Blams, much less blam points, people would vote unfairly. I think that if Wade and Tom are going to get on people for voting 0 on everything they should do the same for people who vote 5 on everything, that way it is fair. I am a Blamm0r who blams a LOT of movies, but before you get too down on me I just wanted to ask you to clicky my profile link and take a look at my Blams / Protects. I think that people need to realize that the Blam Club is not just about Blamming, it is about improving NG. I am going to continue to vote 0 if something is halfassed, I am going to continue to be a dickhead to people that deserve it and I am going to continue to flip off shitty drivers.
As to the rest of that, you can't force anyone to respect you, you have to learn who is worthy of ypur respect and who isn't and figure out who is going to be worth your while to listen to.
Anyhoo, I am off to blam some crap in the portal, y'all keep me so BUSY with the shit that gets posted...
