At 1/9/03 10:14 PM, The_Red_Soviet wrote: It seems to me this rating system is completely objective.
Are you sure you didn't mean subjective? I don't see how the rating system could be considered objective since ratings are almost wholy based on a users feelings.
If you can pull off getting rid of these people, more power to you.
Frankly, I've got something in the works, which i've been working on for two years. If anyone votes a zero on it I will be extremely pissed off. So I hope that by the time I submit it all of "those" people, will be gone.
At 1/9/03 10:20 PM, WadeFulp wrote:At 1/9/03 10:14 PM, The_Red_Soviet wrote: Maybe you should start taking a look at the authors submitting movies. Why punish us, the ones that help keep good stuff on the portal, and not punish those that resubmit crap over and over, or those that don't take the time to even attempt something good?
~ Quality Control
TRS
Don't listen to him Wade. The quality control people (i.e. red soviet) have been known to give really good flash movies zeroes just because someone is affiliated to the clockcrew. Check his reviews, he votes zeroes on alot of good movies, like StrawberryClock VI and L.
At 1/9/03 10:34 PM, fabulous999 wrote: There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points, why should they care who they hurt or help if they're being rewarded either way. I think the solution is to force people to view entries before they are allowed to vote, so maybe they'll feel bad about voting 0 for no reason.
You are the kind of person I was talking about. You only have two scores in your mind and you will probably never change that. On this website there is:
Crap>Kind of crap with effort>Average>Good story, Programming or art>Godly
and with that you can find a reason to vote 4 or 2
Have you guys considered changing the description of the number of the votes? I realize that they're humorous, but maybe if you said "Five- This movie is very good" "Zero- This movie took no effort and/or is offensive". Something like that might help some users.
I think there are just too many flash submitions on this site. I realize that is what this site it for, but there is what? 14,000 some portal entries, and I can tell you i havnet even seen a fraction of that amount. I think that those of you who are getting all excited over this new procedure need to calm down and look at what's actually happening. The NG staff are only watching those who give a well done flash a 0. That's the point. They are not out to get everybody who votes 0 on everything. Infact, keep up the blamming work. As I have said before, there are too many bad movies out there. I do think punishing the authors of these bad movies is a good idea. I mean, to a certain extent. Of course you can't really scream at a newbie flash user, but you can at the people who submit worthless crap that took approx. 3 min to make and is about 10 sec long if that. And anotehr thing against those people who vote 0 on everything, there are some VERY GOOD flash movies that deserve a high position in the ranks, however due to some fucker who doesn't care they receive a score lower than they deserve. Get rid of the crap, not the entries that make newgrounds a site I would want to go to.
At 1/9/03 10:34 PM, fabulous999 wrote: There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points
Mr. Beebo! Actually people who vote 0 ALL the time miss out on PROTECTION points, so they are dumb! :)
At 1/9/03 10:34 PM, fabulous999 wrote: There really should be a + or - voting system, I only vote 0 or 5 depending on whether i think the score should be higher or lower, if it's about right, I just don't vote. The reason people vote 0 all the time is becaue they're rewarded with blam points, why should they care who they hurt or help if they're being rewarded either way. I think the solution is to force people to view entries before they are allowed to vote, so maybe they'll feel bad about voting 0 for no reason.
Yeah -(o)+
neutral, plus or minus.
I know we are asking big things but ya know we all want the same thing! A nice NG! :)
Hey Wade, what happens if I should hit a dry spell in the portal and assist with 50 straight blams? Should I give an occasional crappy movie a 3 or a 4 just to cover my tracks? Don't get me wrong . . . I do vote fairly, and once I've learned flash, I would like people to vote fairly on my work, but what differentiates someone being a chronic 0-voter between someone who fairly blams?
Hmm, I suppose Wade, heh ok I'll look at it this way, I suppose I just read it differently, or you didnt quite convey your msg right in the first 1... but Wade, I agree that we shouldnt blam everything, once stuff drops off the new chart, or the top 50 chart, its virtually dead, so whats so much better about having it blammed, then just letting it drop off, into virtual oblivion?
At 1/9/03 10:58 PM, a_nonymous_zero wrote:
but what differentiates someone being a chronic 0-voter between someone who fairly blams?
What differentiates them is that fact that a chronic 0-voter votes 0's on bad AND good movies. The ones that deserve like a 3,4 or 5, they vote 0's becuase they are obsessed with blam points, experience points, etc. And somebody that fairly blams, i guess would be exactly what you have described him as: a person who fairly blams, as in, blams BAD movies. Possibly votes decent on good movies. NG staff are out to get those idiots who vote a 0 on somebody's hard work flash. As for you blammers , who blam fairly, you need nothing to worry about. As long as you ARE blaming fairly and there is nothing to worry about. And keep it up, get those shitty submissions of this site!
At 1/9/03 10:58 PM, a_nonymous_zero wrote: Hey Wade, what happens if I should hit a dry spell in the portal and assist with 50 straight blams? Should I give an occasional crappy movie a 3 or a 4 just to cover my tracks? Don't get me wrong . . . I do vote fairly, and once I've learned flash, I would like people to vote fairly on my work, but what differentiates someone being a chronic 0-voter between someone who fairly blams?
We don't want people to stop blamming crap. Basically you only have to worry if you're giving 0's to things all the time and a lot of them end up being protected. So if everyone else agrees it should be blammed you should be safe. Altough we feel there is a group of people gaining up and blamming everything, and we want to identify them and take them out.
Personall, I think thats it's pretty much futile to try and control how people vote. People who submit things to this site have to know that there will be the few people who will be jerks and vote zero, that is just a given. Also, I think it's more of an issue of opinion. I mean, the beebo movies get great ratings, plus I love beebo. But, what if someone watched the movie and thought that the idea of a smoking cat and a cursing pope was just the stupidest thing they ever heard of? How can you determine what votes are just people being stupid or what votes are legitimate? I don't see how sending people warning e-mails can possibly change this if you can't know what's going on in someones head when they vote zero.
At 1/9/03 11:09 PM, SilentBill wrote: ok this is funny...many of the people who agreed with wade have a record of like 200 blames and 10 saves
yet they say that they agree!
THOSE PEOPLE ARE FULL OF CRAP!
hell im 47/20 but thats better than 200/10!
yah am the same way but ppl submit bad horrible quality movies like a poorly draw stick figure even for a stick figure, have no plot, no intention to do anything. if ppl would not submit there like first flash they ever created and stuff but waited till they got better and ok at it would be different.
i'd like to see less of "this is my first flash" into "This is my first serious completed falsh" not some shit that they made fucking around with flash
At 1/9/03 10:36 PM, IgnatiusG wrote: Another idea might be sending blammed movies to a "graveyard" where, if enough users agree, they can be resurrected. Sort of a veto-type system, checks and balances and whatnot.
We already do have a "private" graveyard where we can view blammed content (it never really gets deleted nowadays), and eventually we will launch a public interface, so everyone can visit the graveyard and potentially resurrect dead movies - but that will be a whole new can of worms. :)
-Tom
Most people should have more blams than protection points because more crap comes in than good. I'm not sure why my record is the way it is though:
BLAMS: Involved in the termination of 157 crappy entries.
SAVES: Assisted in the protection of 154 quality entries.
Probably because I tend to vote more on better quality stuff and let the users decide the fate of crappy stuff. :) Or I try to help border line crap with a good vote, and miss a blam point. :)
Wade i though you were cool, but u agree with this crap? Iv never had the feeling iv had now, and that feeling is to take an aligator and let him eat your balls u son of a biznitch!! How am i suppose to be blam-clock if i cant blam stuff, besides most of the people on ng send in crappy stuff that looks like its been done on paint, so for me there r only 2 rating numbers... 0 and 5!!!!
At 1/9/03 11:20 PM, Blam-Clock wrote: Wade i though you were cool, but u agree with this crap? Iv never had the feeling iv had now, and that feeling is to take an aligator and let him eat your balls u son of a biznitch!! How am i suppose to be blam-clock if i cant blam stuff, besides most of the people on ng send in crappy stuff that looks like its been done on paint, so for me there r only 2 rating numbers... 0 and 5!!!!
You can still BLAM, as long as they are crap. Just don't try to BLAM good stuff. I'm sure you know which is which.
I know i'm just some guy who sits at his computer all day and who's only made one flash animation (GJC Wars)and I know I don't have much say cause I'm a Level 9 nobody, but I do agree with Tom and Wade and what they are doing. I'd say if you want to start taking these guys out, check the forums and profiles of members of the Blamming Club. And I also thought that the graveyard where you can ressurect flash movies is a good idea. But that's just my humble opinion.
AAAARRRGGHHHH THIS IS CRAZY!!!! Soon newgrounds will be like a prison with a million rules. Rule! no blamming!
rule 2: No voting
rule 3: No users!
rule 4: No more movies!!
rule 5: no more newgrounds!!
i know it wont really turn out like that but cmon, i bet there will be more rules that will cause corruption. ITS MADDNESS I TELL YOU ITS MADDNESS!!!!!
I think that for the movies that are getting ones and zeroes shouldn't really matter. I mean, you put up a metre of where we could vote on what WE THINK. On how well WE THINK it was done. Just because we don't give perfect scores all the time doesn't mean that the author didn't try hard to put it together it just means that we think differently. We're people, no one is ever going to agree to same thing. *~*KiThAnY*~*
Also on the note of the Reviving Graveyard being made, I thought that I would like to help contribute to newgrounds someway, so if you have an opening, I would like to give you my services as a "grave-keeper" for it. I'm not sure what I could do but I would like to help. If you don't need me, that's ok too. Thanx.
