At 1/29/06 11:59 PM, Captn_ wrote: crap

That's not his site, and most bm bands do borderline on Nazi (Burzum, Graveland, older Behemoth, Nargaroth, Wolfsmond, etc...)

Here is something of related interest:

The extremes of musical passion attract fascist ideologies in a time when a Judeo-Christian moral values have caused humanity to poison the earth and sky and waters, destroy ancient cultures and adulterate their races, enslave many to the tedium of a society motivated by commerce, and remove all desire for individuality in existence. National Socialist black metal (NSBM) is aurally hateful music that diminishes the listener and saturates them with isolationist and ancient mystical beliefs, separating the tribes so we may have our peoples remain unique and unmarketable.

Unlike most White Power music, NSBM did not originate in the White Power/White Nationalist community, but was created by outsiders who suddenly found National Socialist and Pagan ideals to be empowering and relevant. Musically it is the closest metal genre to punk hardcore that exists, borrowing from the crustcore and Satanic heavy metal traditions to formulate something opposed to all social forces including Semetic Christianity, Judaism, humanism and liberalism.

Hated by the people who don't like hate groups or hate crimes, NSBM remains an outsider form of both black metal and white power music that is not fully accepted by either parent group, but is recognized by many as the only source of extremity powerful enough to fuel sonic hatred as is required for black metal. Read about NSBM, check out our black metal and white power music FAQ, and if you want white nationalist music tshirts, CDs or merchandise please visit our virtual store.

http://www.nsbm.com

At 1/30/06 12:06 AM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: stuff

Interesting. Of course, I am the very "mutt" that many pagan and NSBM bands despise, so that whole ideology doesn't appeal to me. Though I have a lot of roots in Celtic and Anglo-Saxon england, and hate christianity as much as the next guy, I don't find solace in music that preaches hatred, seeing as there's probably a sizeable amount in me that IS what they're hating against. It's really interesting, but I prefer my metal to be ethnically blind.

At 1/30/06 12:00 AM, MetalWarriorFromHell wrote: That's not his site, and most bm bands do borderline on Nazi (Burzum, Graveland, older Behemoth, Nargaroth, Wolfsmond, etc...)

So if a few, or even the majority fall under a certain specification, all of them do?
Smarten the fuck up and open your eyes, you can't assume all Black metal bands are nazis because you can name a few examples of those who are. I wear clothes, you know who else wore clothes? Hitler. Argo I am Hitle. Does this seem logical to you?
And just because it's not his site, doesn't mean he wouldn't want traffic moving through it. I said that because his obscurity could only be motivated by a few things, and increasing traffic is the most logical one.

Music as a propaganda tool is no longer effective. If you're currently listening to pseudo-nazi black metal for its political sake, you're a nazi to begin with. If you're listening to anarcho-primitivist grindcore for its political sake, you're a green anarchist to begin with, and so on and so forth.

Music is an appeal to emotions, no amount of politicized music will ever sway people's ideologoies, it will simply reinforce them.

Listens to Agoraphobic Nosebleed's Honkey Reduction.

At 1/30/06 12:26 AM, Captn_ wrote:

At 1/30/06 12:00 AM, MetalWarriorFromHell wrote: That's not his site, and most bm bands do borderline on Nazi (Burzum, Graveland, older Behemoth, Nargaroth, Wolfsmond, etc...)

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No, not at all, sir. Most of the music I listen to isn't nazi, and a great portion of it is indeed black metal. However, the bands with the loudest voices in the genre (i.e., the most infamous ones) are often nazi. So it's logical that someone would connect black metal with nazism. That's all.

My eyes are wide open, sir. They're probably open wider than yours.

At 1/30/06 12:31 AM, sea_food wrote: Music as a propaganda tool is no longer effective.

What are you talking about? What do you think advertising jingles are for?

The only bands Ive heard are Mayhem, and Deicide, the music was alright, but I couldn't understand what the hell they were saying, even with the lyrics present.

At 1/30/06 12:06 AM, Mighty_Genghis wrote: NSBM remains an outsider form of both black metal and white power music that is not fully accepted by either parent group

"An outsider form of black metal not fully accepted by the parent group"

It's a subgenre of black metal. Many fans of the genre itself don't agree with the ideals. It's ludicrous to assume that since one of it's subgenre's supports National Socialistic views that the entire black metal community is composed of nazis.

yes death metal and black metal are two different types of genres, maybe some black metal artists portray the Neo-nazi principles but logically that does not make their music the same. You are generalising all black metal by some artists, not all artists of the genre are nazis, it is just like saying all rock musicians are crack addicts, yes there can be a generalisation but it is that same one that shows peoples ignorance.

Omg your german so you support hitler!......same thing by principle.

At 1/30/06 02:11 PM, x_Toadenalin_x wrote:

At 1/30/06 12:31 AM, sea_food wrote: Music as a propaganda tool is no longer effective.

What are you talking about? What do you think advertising jingles are for?

This was relevant only in the 1950s - before television spread across the world.

You should check out Medium Is The Message by Marshall McLuhan.

The cost of advertising ranks from television to billboards to radio. Effective imagery.

There is only ONE kind of music: Sound.

Genre is a term that will never fit anything. Every band that is in the 'rock' scene is different. Every band that is in the 'metal' scene, or 'black metal', or anything 'metal' sense is different. Categorizing ANY band into a 'genre' is idiotic.

It is music. Nothing more than music.

If you want to get into the history, or origin of a band which influences of another band, don't say you are talking about music. You are talking about the origin and influences of a band which has influenced another band.

At 1/30/06 05:30 PM, peedee wrote: blah blah

What a stupid and rather un-astute comment to make. We assign genres to similar bands because, due to the ongoing creativity of the musicians, the gap in how musicians sounds gets bigger. So, genres are used as a guide. Plus, we use genres anyways. You can't say all flour based products are bread, nor can you say all forms of literature are just books, nor can you say all footwear are shoes. It just doesn't work.

Seeing as how this has stopped being a discussion about politics and turned into a rather pointless argument about music...

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