Is this improperly rated? Seems a bit risque to be rated T.

Agreed, we can see the cat's buttocks even though she's just awakening. Let's petition it to M.

I've had it with that guy!

u suggesting that 3DMM be banned? How else do we get such classics as Piconjo:T3H M0$T D3VI0US L1CK, Amoung us in a nutshell, and let's not forget Bebder Game 3D. How come this isn't alowed but these do

Damn, the movie itself is real good too, the recording window should be smaller though.

And it got blammed. I don't know how you managed to get them up to 4 stars, but this sure should've been higher than 0.86.

https://www.newgrounds.com/portal/rip/819196

No, I'm pointing out that recording oneself filming one's own animation isn't actual animation.

Movie Guidelines

a.k.a. "No animation" for #819196. Sorry if that was unclear and thanks for tombstoning it, that solves the issue.

First time posting here >-<

I usually report a submission whenever there's copyrighted music, but I want to be sure about this one.

Answering correctly to the third question plays the Final Fantasy VII victory theme other than that, I'm not sure that the other music is copyrighted but it does sound so. As per game guidelines:

"You must have rights to the music in your submission, or be using music that grants rights freely. Your favorite song from the radio can't be played here."

Excellent catch (and welcome to the Barracks where we hunt for improper submissions and help NG moderation take care of it - or the other way around).

That is indeed copyrighted by Square Enix (formerly Squaresoft); specifically, Nobuo Uematsu's work.

If you are unsure, before flagging, double-check with Exedor or another moderator for assistance. I'll be removed before you get to flag it, but we don't (at least not all of us) do it for the "points". They will also have less reports to take care of if they are incorrect and this saves everyone time.

Hehe, thank you for the welcome. It's kind of strange, having used this website through the years and only now trying to give something back. My question sprouted from remembering Epic Battle Fantasy having Final Fantasy music... Yeah I was VERY little when I wound up here >>"

As far as I remember, there has always been this argument that crops up every now & again about whether "Live-action" stuff should be uploaded to NG. This occurred around the time that Stop-Motion became popular for a short while, and many argued that it wasn't "proper" animation. Keep in mind that this was when Flash was in full swing.

However, I would have to agree with you here, even though there is a continuing argument whether IRL videos should be uploaded to NG.

Keep in mind that the highest rated movie of all time is a trailer for Madness Project Nexus, which contains primarily both live action and gameplay footage.

Our focus is on animation. If you want to try live action here, it must be a short film with legit production value and preferably some animation component done in post production.

That's not to say that this should be taken off. It's a really good movie and they have full rights to it.

Before we get into a live action debate, the submissions Commander Lizzardis referred to (e.g. #819193, #819043) were lazy edits of night club videos made with Wondershare Filmora and ripped from YouTube videos, not informative documentaries or stuff like that.

I'm also all for more content in the portal but the guidelines are quite clear about submissions that aren't the user's own submission, and we don't want to bother the NG moderation team with tons of links to the "original DailyMotion recording of the original YouTube recording of the original music video/live action" nor spend an eternity trying to find all of the tidbits stolen from other content for each submission.

Nothing against any engine that isn't explicitly forbidden by the Portal Guidelines. Recording oneself doing stuff that should be directly submitted is not animation, this has nothing to do with the engine used. A game submission example would be recording oneself playing a Scratch project - Scratch isn't the problem.

For content that NG moderation had considered and debated, the guidelines are as follows:

Do not submit Let's Play videos or anything that primarily depends on recorded video game footage.

We usually report this under "gameplay footage" unless it's an obvious parody and not just the user recording themselves doing stuff.

Do not submit something that is merely a sound visualizer set to music, or a recording of your music project timeline. If you want to promote your song in the movie portal, it should be set to original animation like a proper music video; otherwise stick to the Audio Portal.

Usually ends up here as "no animation" or "should belong in the audio portal".

Do not submit speedpaint / art timelapse videos. We would like to accommodate these in the future but for now your best option would be to embed a YouTube video under your finished art entry in the Art Portal.

Confirmed with Commander Exedor in DM that these could be flagged as such but took some time to clear.

Now, as for live action as in actual live action (an example would be live documentaries for the informative section):

Our focus is on animation. If you want to try live action here, it must be a short film with legit production value and preferably some animation component done in post production.

The NG moderation team has probably asked Tom about this countless times over the years.

Hopefully this clears things up! Thanks and please let me know if I'm crossing boundaries with this post.

Edit: Stealth typofix.

819206: Would this count as a sound visualiser set to music? IDK, let the professionals decide.

Also, this is a new user and this is apparently their first submission

I don't think you're crossing any boundaries at all, and kudos for the informative post.

I was merely highlighting the fact that video footage, whether it's live-action or otherwise, has always been a point of contention in regards to whether it should be uploaded, or even allowed, in the portal.

I do think that somewhere lies a grey area in which people should use their own discretion, both users who vote & the mods who review the flags.

It's always interesting to see the issue crop up every once in a while & see how views have changed over the years.

Thanks, Commander Lizzardis. *salutes*

#819228: Here's an example of a dangerous submission. RL footage that could put the user at risk.

There seems to be effort in this one (especially on the theme), I'd say just vote on it (the content) normally.

Users should really make use of the submission comment and description fields, helps a lot when unsure about what the content itself is trying to convey.

So now it’s illegal to record a non-standard animation source into video? How does that work?

Let’s take that 3D Movie Maker movie as an example. There seems to be no official way to export 3DMM movies directly to video, as far as I have researched, so screen recording is usually the only option to turn it into a format that Newgrounds can accept (MP4 or other video file).

How exactly do you define the way you turn an animation into a video file as illegal under the Guidelines? Would you only accept videos exported directly using the animation software? Do we not allow the use of 3DMM, Scratch, or other programs that don’t have any proper video export feature? Is it the fact that a computer tab is open that makes it illegal? Or the Bandicam watermark at the top? But then Flipaclip has a watermark and that for the most part is allowed. Do we not allow borders around the animation? This is complicated!

I couldn’t see any descriptions.

I think what @DeepCrimson is trying to say isn't that it's illegal, but video recording the animation via a camera, in his eyes, crosses over the boundary of actual animation.

Most animation software, whether it's mobile or desktop, will have a form of exportation which can be uploaded to NG. It can either be a HTML5 type file, flash file or a video file such as .MP4.

The point of contention here is that it wasn't the actual animation that was the problem, it was the fact that the animation was subsequently recorded via an external camera.

If the user had just exported his animation to one of the many file formats that NG accepts, then uploaded it that way, there wouldn't be an issue.

Excuse me if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, I never actually saw the original blammed submission, I'm just going off the idea that the user video recorded their own animation using a camera. Which, under the guidelines that @DeepCrimson is mentioning, is not allowed.

Edit:

After a quick search, you are correct in that 3DMM does not allow exportation in any regard & people are mainly saying that the animation needs to be recorded in order to be "exported". In this case in all honesty, I'm not too sure what the user would do here. I would always advise that screen recording software would be the best way to export this, instead of using an external camera to record the screen.

I'm under the impression that this is what the user did.

If the user has just recorded his screen using software, instead of an actual camera, then there wouldn't be an issue.

Again, I never saw the original submission, so please correct me if I'm wrong in assuming the user was recording the animation externally.

No they used Bandicam.

Well that changes everything.

They used Bandicam to record their animation on their desktop, correct?

Correct. Watermark and everything

Even the interface of 3DMM and the window it’s on

I can't see the watermark being the problem.

However showing the interface & window? Ehh, that's quite in the grey. There's one thing having a border, but there's another just recording the whole screen just to show your animation.

Then again, the flash series Animator vs Animation is based *solely* on the idea that everything on the screen is a part of the animation. So you know what... I think that like I said before, it would be up to the Users & Moderators discretion, if I'm honest.

I appreciate you correcting me by the way.

I really can't get used to the new new NG's reply system. Apologies if I quoted out of context, but by user, I was referring to the user submitting that MV without any description or comment, not you, Anonymous-Frog. Sorry about that.

The problem is the recording inception. Recording a video isn't a problem, but recording a project within a project causes a lot of confusion, as this is just a recording of the desktop. Doesn't really help with judgment when the title is "shit crap animation" either, even if meant in jest - it could be seen as trolling by many.

This is what I was trying to refer to with the Scratch case - we've had users recording themselves playing a Scratch project (their own) instead of properly submitting the project as a game.

The NG moderation team has the final call on this, so it's best if we just tombstone them when 100% sure it's something done wrong. If you're absolutely sure the user will read the review, you can also leave a review on how they should do it if they resubmit it (if they resubmit that video properly, it has all chances to pass). Alternately, you can DM them if they are reachable. In both cases, they need notifications on. (Enabled by default for pretty much everything.)

Edit: 15-minute edit time limit. Stealth edits and post lock cause a bit of clogging due to replies to fix a previous post so it's just better to wait until we have something new to report or ask more experienced users about.

#819240: It's in spam so no big deal, but the comment and content both are kind of testing boundaries.

feel free to vote 0

Do not submit low quality entries with the intent to give users "free blam points."

Project: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/alternate/1770000/1770935_alternate_158825_r1.zip/

Edit: Scoreboards (for which there is nothing to score on) were also stealth-removed so watch out for a submission swap.

#819241: Stolen from SMG4's official YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijLRYZAbXVY

That was fast. Thanks NG moderation!

Here are a few reports I wouldn't want you all to miss.

This is a live action garbage video:

And here are two ridiculous roblox gameplay videos:

Enjoy!

Literally stolen from PuffballsUnited. It's nothing more than a republish using Scratch, and I highly doubt its original creator had anything to do with it.

Late to the party, heh. Thanks for the portal duty contributions, Commander Guthrie!

#819254: Correct, this one's also a resubmission on top of stolen content.

#819261: Stolen. Now I understand a bit better why I was told not to bother with details when reporting here.