At 7/27/12 05:41 AM, phantomlassuk wrote: I find it very sad to see the portal in a mess as you say because of the way the it is now. Why aren't the users who abuse it for example save whores get there points reset? there must be a way to track them down!

The only way I can think of is if they have a ratio that is completely out of the window, like 50 saves for every blam. saying that mine is quite bad but nowhere near that. There may be a way of telling what people have voted on stuff but it'd require a lot of time for people to keep an eye on the users that are suspected of mass 5ing.

At 7/27/12 06:48 AM, Decky wrote: There may be a way of telling what people have voted on stuff but it'd require a lot of time for people to keep an eye on the users that are suspected of mass 5ing.

Couldn't they just use the roster program? If I'm not mistaken, it shows both monthly blams and saves gained, so wouldn't it just be a matter of finding those with an absurdly high ratio?
Also, I don't think he's doing anything until he fixes a related bug:

At 7/23/12 02:29 PM, TomFulp wrote: In other news... The awards bug on the Classic Portal has been fixed and the daily submitted / blams bug is being examined (when people quote those low numbers, they are actually quoting incorrect numbers).

At 7/27/12 07:39 AM, Spretznaz wrote:

At 7/27/12 06:48 AM, Decky wrote: There may be a way of telling what people have voted on stuff but it'd require a lot of time for people to keep an eye on the users that are suspected of mass 5ing.

Couldn't they just use the roster program? If I'm not mistaken, it shows both monthly blams and saves gained, so wouldn't it just be a matter of finding those with an absurdly high ratio?

The roster program was created by yours truly to manage a small subset of users (30 or so) - however, I had always wondered if the programmers at Newgrounds were capturing usage data on ALL users on a daily / weekly / monthly basis so that such an analysis could be performed. Data facts such as actual hours online, total # of flashes voted on in a day, total blams, total protects, ratios versus total # of flashes submitted in that period, source IP, etc - all of these can be used to uncover patterns that may not be acceptable. For example, if it was discovered that a user account was active 24/7/365 and voted on EVERY flash in the portal - well, that's generally impossible unless (a) it's a bot or (b) multiple people are using the account and have nothing else to do - and it's most likely (a). Also, analysis of # of flashes submitted vs. # of flashes blammed and/or deleted - high enough numbers here could indicate a spammer or shovelware account.

There is a lot of data mining that could be performed on an automated basis to help identify abusers of the system. Accounts that abuse the system can be handled in a variety of ways, from blocking flash uploads to not counting their votes to banning them for a period of time. Any account that the watchdog program flags as problematic would be presented to the admins, who then decide what to do with the account.

With the redesign, there were many little conversion issues to worry about; but now that it's settling in, maybe some back-end data analysis modules could be developed. (Note to Wade / Tom - I have an extensive background in this area, and I would be glad to offer my services FOR FREE to help design and implement such a module set as my way of saying "thanks for NewGrounds!")

So maybe we'll get automated in the future - but I definitely agree - we need to make the system smarter so it can defend itself better.

Also, I don't think he's doing anything until he fixes a related bug:

At 7/23/12 02:29 PM, TomFulp wrote: In other news... The awards bug on the Classic Portal has been fixed and the daily submitted / blams bug is being examined (when people quote those low numbers, they are actually quoting incorrect numbers).

See...these would take priority - let's get the system settled in first...but not lose sight of what we still need to do.

At 7/27/12 06:48 AM, Decky wrote:

At 7/27/12 05:41 AM, phantomlassuk wrote: I find it very sad to see the portal in a mess as you say because of the way the it is now. Why aren't the users who abuse it for example save whores get there points reset? there must be a way to track them down!

The only way I can think of is if they have a ratio that is completely out of the window, like 50 saves for every blam. saying that mine is quite bad but nowhere near that. There may be a way of telling what people have voted on stuff but it'd require a lot of time for people to keep an eye on the users that are suspected of mass 5ing.

The Admins already have program that shows them what every single person votes on a flash. I remember Wade talking about this years ago when the Spammers who had high level and B/P would vote together to overpower the masses who would vote to try to do the right thing back when a spammy series called the BPB (Big Penis Bergade) was deleted from the portal.

At 7/27/12 09:02 PM, MistyEntertainment wrote:

I agree with that, yes. As genre mod I can also add those "deletion" and "stolen" tags to flashes and it is very sad that users still vote highly on such flashes. I guess that they don't read the tags and just vote 5.

Barely anybody even cares about voting legitimately these days, the worst example of this was when I saw a printscare pass with 1.7. Before the redesign, even after a submission passed judgment it would get about 80-140 extra votes after judgment, so that gave submissions a chance to attain legitimate scores.

Why aren't the users who abuse it for example save whores get there points reset? there must be a way to track them down!

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/43212

I think this should be enforced again, except instead of 0'ing everything, 2'ing or 5'ing everything.

On a side note, something about this seems fishy, but I can't quite place my finger on it: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/599869

http://www.funny-games.biz/cartoon/sonic-vs-shadow.html Made for a SMBZ collab says made by Dion. Doesn't confirm an author or date.

Um, yeah.

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Shovelware/ad

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Clicking anywhere on it automatically takes you to their site.:

Whoa, it's been a long time since I dropped in on this thread. Sorry guys :(

So anyways, the user Tash97 has stolen "Swords and Sandals 2" and placed it on the portal "because he didn't find it here".

Can a genre mod tag this as "stolen" and "deletion"?

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woop woop! got praporschick a couple weeks ago like i said i would :P. just posting about it here.

next stop, lieutenant. only 1,130 more to go.

Hey, do you guys still remember me?? :P I Miss the EGB so fucking much, miss Newgrounds as a whole, have so much things to do, I don't think I'll ever have time to join the Barracks again, I learned a lot here with you guys, and I'm still around here in NG, playing some games and remembering the good ol' days, and occasionally I read some posts of the thread, to see who are the new *cough*punchingbags*cough* members, hahah.

Love all of you guys <3 :)

-Salutes-

At 7/29/12 03:19 AM, Cool-Points wrote: woop woop! got praporschick a couple weeks ago like i said i would :P. just posting about it here.

next stop, lieutenant. only 1,130 more to go.

For future reference Level Up posts go here.

At 7/29/12 03:37 AM, RogerBK wrote: Hey, do you guys still remember me??

I still remember being in the NGPD with you Roger and you simply shooting your way through the ranks at an alarming rate. It's good to see that you still come here, even if it is just to play a few games and the very rare post. Hope you are happy with your life in the real world.

-Salutes-

*Salutes*

This just needs to be removed asap for obvious reasons. Open at your own risk.

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At 7/29/12 01:36 AM, Gimmick wrote: Whoa, it's been a long time since I dropped in on this thread. Sorry guys :(
So anyways, the user Tash97 has stolen "Swords and Sandals 2" and placed it on the portal "because he didn't find it here".
Can a genre mod tag this as "stolen" and "deletion"?
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/599928

And once again the tags are ignored, and the flash pass through the portal like it is nothng, and the people doing the right thing once again get punished. As much as I would hate for it to happen, Maybe what Coop told me about removing the B/P system completely would actually do some good now.

I mean in the past sure it had it's faults and ways to be abused, but nothing as bad as this. Never in my life on NG have I seen abusive/stolen stuff get pass the portal without resistance and all for the sake of getting points.

At 7/29/12 11:51 AM, LittleWashu wrote:

hey, you're still here! how've you been?? :)

At 7/30/12 03:01 AM, Cool-Points wrote:

At 7/29/12 11:51 AM, LittleWashu wrote:

hey, you're still here! how've you been?? :)

I am still retired but I am fine. I just peak in this thread to see if anything need help being sent to it's death or reported. But otherwise I am fine.

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Yet another dress up game and to top it all off I have a good hunch it is stolen.

At 7/29/12 03:37 AM, RogerBK wrote: Hey, do you guys still remember me?? :P I Miss the EGB so fucking much, miss Newgrounds as a whole, have so much things to do, I don't think I'll ever have time to join the Barracks again,
Love all of you guys <3 :)

-Salutes-

Hi there I remember the name nice to here from you it has been a while! It would be sad too see the b/p points go Littlewashu but, if it meant the stop of stat whores I would welcome it. The portal does seem to be worse then before the redesign right? I miss the whistles I know we maybe wont get them back but it helped more I thought. I hope the b/p thing those is sorted I hate to see the portal like this.

At 7/31/12 06:36 AM, phantomlassuk wrote: It would be sad too see the b/p points go Littlewashu but, if it meant the stop of stat whores I would welcome it.

Have I missed something? Is there talk of scraping the B/P system? Although I agree that it would get rid of the save whores and make the portal a fairer place I think that it's a little extreme.

At 7/31/12 08:11 AM, Decky wrote:

At 7/31/12 06:36 AM, phantomlassuk wrote: It would be sad too see the b/p points go Littlewashu but, if it meant the stop of stat whores I would welcome it.

Have I missed something? Is there talk of scraping the B/P system? Although I agree that it would get rid of the save whores and make the portal a fairer place I think that it's a little extreme.

it is a conversation that me and Coop had in the top 50 B/P thread. Coop was the one who thought that it might be time to scrap the B/P thing and to be frank with you I actually think it might be a good idea. I know it sounds extreme, but ever since this wave of saves came along almost anything get pass the portal. It doesn't help any that we don't have the extra tools to stop the illegal shit from getting in either. I know it is only temporary, but as I stated before even with the genre mods marking stuff stolen, and up for deletion they still ignore it for the sake of points.

It is so bad now that the users who are doing the right thing are being punished while the abusers are gaining points and becoming more powerful. Also as I stated before even if the admins remove the shit after it passes the users who did the right thing don't get their reward while the people who abused the system keep their ill gotten point. So as sad as it is to say the B/P system as of now is doing more harm to NG them good thanks to those users who care more about points then what comes onto NG itself.

So here's a generic racing game with a soccer site's logo on it, submitted by an account that signed up in the last hour or so.

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Another GamesGrow turd has hit the portal.....

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At 8/1/12 04:19 PM, MistyEntertainment wrote:

At 7/31/12 11:59 PM, VicariousE wrote: Another GamesGrow turd has hit the portal.....
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/600123

Despite your best efforts to blam this Flash, a majority of users have disagreed. This Flash has reached protected status.

So I was wrong in calling out this flash? Or do the majority of users have it wrong?
Kinda on a tight schedule and don't usually bother with the games in the Portal, 'cause most of them are shovelware crap.
Any advice to a prospective Elite Guard member is appreciated.

At 8/1/12 05:01 PM, VicariousE wrote: So I was wrong in calling out this flash? Or do the majority of users have it wrong?
Kinda on a tight schedule and don't usually bother with the games in the Portal, 'cause most of them are shovelware crap.
Any advice to a prospective Elite Guard member is appreciated.

No, you're absolutely right. They're only passing because of the savewhores and people who don't bother to read tags.

At 8/1/12 05:25 PM, Spretznaz wrote:

At 8/1/12 05:01 PM, VicariousE wrote: So I was wrong in calling out this flash? Or do the majority of users have it wrong?
Kinda on a tight schedule and don't usually bother with the games in the Portal, 'cause most of them are shovelware crap.
Any advice to a prospective Elite Guard member is appreciated.

No, you're absolutely right. They're only passing because of the savewhores and people who don't bother to read tags.

Uuuh - I didn't even notice the tags on that one! Usually when something looks suspect, I check the author for activity. I'd think anyone who worked on code for hours would at least say something other than "Press the spacebar to continue."
Tom's gotta make a bigger fuss about this if anything's going to change with regard to member's voting habits.
The only change I think would help (and there's been more than enough talk on the vote subject) would be a wider vote spread (0-10) or the ability to vote in tenths or quarters, like 2.6 or 2.75. It'd be a nice middle of the road approach.

Today's Shovelware:

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I don't know if this site's associated with gamesgrow or not, but this is about the 20th alt it's made so far.

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More from that "soccerchampmanager" site

Also, take a look at this:
http://www.newgrounds.com/games/browse/tag/gamergoogle
Three shovelware games under this tag, all submitted by different accounts.

Before I post the Roster, let us all welcome FOUR new members to our ranks - let's hear it for: Supreme Commander GameJunkie, Corporal Spretznaz, Corporal Jackho and PFC J-Rex. They will all bring some much-needed help and energy to our cause!

Congratulations to you all!

Barracks Roster as of August 1st, 2012:
(New members will have data in next month's report)

Milestones::
byteslinger - 79K saves, 93K total B/P
Coop - 78K saves, 107K total B/P
Cootie - 24K saves, 29K total B/P
Decky - 7K saves, 9K total B/P
Gimmick - 17K saves, 19K total B/P
Jolly - 5K blams, 30K saves, 35K total B/P
Little-Rena - 56K total B/P
RohantheBarbarian - 30K total B/P
Tycrane - 25K saves, 28K total B/P

Promotions::
Decky - Sgt. Major
Gimmick - Brig. General
RohantheBarbarian - Sup. Commander

Entering The List (will be displayed next roster)::
PFC J-Rex
Corp. Jackho
Corp. Spretznaz
S.C. GameJunkie

Leaving The Barracks::
No members retired this month.

The List:
No. B/P / Gain / Average / Level / Change / Username / Rank / Posts / Level
01) 107,986 | 1,259 | 40.61 | A | +007.42 | Coop Sup. Commander | 1 | D
02) 93,011 | 1,252 | 40.39 | A | +002.04 | byteslinger Sup. Commander | 5 | C
03) 80,294 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Phantom Sup. Commander | 0 | F
04) 56,021 | 0,095 | 03.06 | D | -014.41 | Little-Rena Sup. Commander | 0 | F
05) 51,861 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | EagleRock Sup. Commander | 0 | F
06) 35,689 | 1,412 | 45.55 | A | +014.89 | Jolly Sup. Commander | 0 | F
07) 32,109 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | ArtDanVal Sup. Commander | 0 | F
08) 30,348 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | idiot-buster Sup. Commander | 0 | F
09) 30,130 | 0,257 | 08.29 | C | -015.74 | RohantheBarbarian Sup. Commander | 0 | F
10) 29,054 | 0,890 | 28.71 | B | +020.43 | Cootie Commander | 0 | F
11) 28,426 | 1,613 | 52.03 | A | +017.82 | Tycrane Commander | 1 | D
12) 26,223 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | sixflab Commander | 0 | F
13) 21,781 | 0,009 | 00.29 | D | +000.00 | Lizzardis Lt. General | 0 | F
14) 19,592 | 1,670 | 53.87 | A | +011.26 | Gimmick Brig. General +2 | 2 | D
15) 19,221 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Ismael92 Colonel -1 | 0 | F
16) 19,200 | 0,127 | 04.10 | D | +013.39 | Asandir Colonel -1 | 2 | D
17) 11,335 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | -100.00 | IzzyDude Praporshchik | 0 | F
18) 11,271 | 0,002 | 00.06 | D | +000.00 | AnalPenguinFarming Praporshchik | 0 | F
19) 10,061 | 0,017 | 00.55 | D | -085.34 | SeeD419 Sgt. Major | 0 | F
20) 9,839 | 1,375 | 44.35 | A | +018.03 | Decky Sgt. Major +2 | 24 | B
21) 9,783 | 0,109 | 03.52 | D | -011.38 | BrokenDeck Sgt. Major -1 | 0 | F
22) 9,352 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | NGFan14 Sgt. First Class -1 | 0 | F
23) 8,402 | 0,015 | 00.48 | D | +000.00 | PossiblePancakes Sgt. First Class | 0 | F
24) 7,351 | 0,008 | 00.26 | D | -011.11 | phantomlassuk Master Sergeant | 12 | C
25) 6,404 | 0,109 | 03.52 | D | -069.97 | SpiffyMasta Staff Sergeant +1 | 5 | C
26) 6,376 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | -100.00 | HeavenDuff Staff Sergeant -1 | 0 | F
27) 6,257 | 0,034 | 01.10 | D | +003.03 | Ronald-McDonald-Lol Staff Sergeant | 4 | D
28) 5,547 | 0,069 | 02.23 | D | +527.27 | BenwaHakubi Sergeant | 0 | F
29) 5,315 | 0,053 | 01.71 | D | +065.63 | ZJ Sergeant | 0 | F
30) 5,073 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Afro-Mann Sergeant | 0 | F
31) 4,581 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | Luke Corporal | 0 | F
32) 4,289 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | -100.00 | EmmDubya Corporal | 0 | F
33) 4,062 | 0,000 | 00.00 | F | +000.00 | MultiCanimefan Corporal | 0 | F

Top 5 Gainers::
Gimmick - 1,670 (16.10% of total)
Tycrane - 1,613 (15.55% of total)
Jolly - 1,412 (13.61% of total)
Decky - 1,375 (13.25% of total)
Coop - 1,259 (12.13% of total)

Top 5 users accounted for 70.64% of B/P points (7,329 total)

Top gainers, repeat appearances::
Jolly (19)
Gimmick (10)
Tycrane (8)
Coop (2)

Total gain for month: 10,375 (20 Active Members)

That's 334.68 per day, or 16.73 per day per active member.

Sorry about the double post, but, yes...sad but true...my 40+ month run in the top 5 has come to an end. Coop pushed me out by a few points - and all of the others really seem to pound it out month after month as well. I am glad to see that type of activity here in the barracks - but I'd rather see MORE members active than just a handful doing 70% of the work...

At 8/2/12 11:25 AM, byteslinger wrote: Before I post the Roster, let us all welcome FOUR new members to our ranks - let's hear it for: Supreme Commander GameJunkie, Corporal Spretznaz, Corporal Jackho and PFC J-Rex. They will all bring some much-needed help and energy to our cause!

Thanks for the roster Byte. Indeed these new members to the list shall be good especially seasoned veterans like GameJunkie. At least this club is showing some signs of activity which is more then what can be said for the NGPD of late.

Milestones::
Decky - 7K saves, 9K total B/P

Promotions::
Decky - Sgt. Major

Another two milestones under my belt and a promotion, hopefully more to come for the next roster. Congrats to all the other users that have achieved milestones/promotions this month.

The List:
No. B/P / Gain / Average / Level / Change / Username / Rank / Posts / Level
19) 10,061 | 0,017 | 00.55 | D | -085.34 | SeeD419 Sgt. Major | 0 | F
20) 9,839 | 1,375 | 44.35 | A | +018.03 | Decky Sgt. Major +2 | 24 | B
21) 9,783 | 0,109 | 03.52 | D | -011.38 | BrokenDeck Sgt. Major -1 | 0 | F

Up 2 places this month and possibly the most gain I have ever gotta from one roster to the next. All in all it has been a good month for me on NG.

Top 5 Gainers::
Decky - 1,375 (13.25% of total)

Can't complain with 4th.

my 40+ month run in the top 5 has come to an end. Coop pushed me out by a few points - and all of the others really seem to pound it out month after month as well.

After 40 months you must be more then gutted that it has come to an end. I wish I had gotten less just so that you could have continued. I guess after a while though it feels more like a responsibility then something you have earnt as Newgrounds slowly sucks up your life.

I'd rather see MORE members active than just a handful doing 70% of the work...

I know the feeling, it would be a more worthy cause if we were to get a couple more users that get 1000+ gain near enough every month.

At 8/2/12 11:25 AM, byteslinger wrote: let's hear it for: Supreme Commander GameJunkie

Finally.

At 8/2/12 11:30 AM, byteslinger wrote: Sorry about the double post, but, yes...sad but true...my 40+ month run in the top 5 has come to an end. Coop pushed me out by a few points - and all of the others really seem to pound it out month after month as well. I am glad to see that type of activity here in the barracks - but I'd rather see MORE members active than just a handful doing 70% of the work...

Damn, that sucks. I never thought I'd be at the top of the repeat appearances list. My time is probably coming soon too. I've nearly fallen off the list several times in the past few months.