Oh yeah... today's gonna be a good day, I'm sure.
Seriously, I don't get why people stick "It's my first flash" in the comments. I mean, it's as if they're advertising the fact that it's most likely crap before you even make your own mind up on it.
Still, it is funny when this happens.
At 4/3/11 12:41 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:
Still, it is funny when this happens.
Hey! I enjoyed that game!
Sadly I enjoyed pressing the 0 button more...
I don't know, I guess they just have to tell us how they've never used Flash.
And I love all of the tests. "Please don't view this or vote on it im just testing." Sorry Pal, you submitted it.
At 4/3/11 12:54 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote:
And I love all of the tests. "Please don't view this or vote on it im just testing." Sorry Pal, you submitted it.
lol, it's true, free blam points to all. Also, once in a while people say in the description "Free blam point" I laugh my ass off.
Speaking on the [L*] I agree the intros are awesome, I almost voted 5, tought they were good, but when I saw the real flash, I was kind of "WHAAAT? YOU'RE USING PINK FLOYD TO SUBMIT CRAP?? AHH". Then, the 0.
The hentai quizzes are annoying me. Yesterday when I was at he Portal, there were at least 23 flashes in judgement, half of them were darkcherry's hentai flashes and the other half was those crappy flashes with a poorly drawn copy of The Wall's movie, I laughed a bit, when I recognized the images, but, it was lame, too lame. I just hope I got those blam pts.
At 4/3/11 12:54 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: And I love all of the tests. "Please don't view this or vote on it im just testing." Sorry Pal, you submitted it.
Yeah you wouldn't believe it, a game that doesn't even load just passed judgment.....It's just a blank screen that says "loading," the sad thing is that everyone who reviewed this game left a comment like "Game doesn't work" and yet it still passed judgement. I mean the voters brilliantly came to the conclusion that the game doesn't work, and yet they still give it a 5 (derp) *ultimate facepalm*
Abandon hope, all ye who enter Newgrounds :(
At 4/3/11 02:08 PM, SCTE3 wrote:At 4/3/11 01:58 PM, BigMike47 wrote:http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/56 6489Wonder why the sound won't load. On the other hand, there is a free abusive review at the bottom of page.
Abandon hope, all ye who enter Newgrounds :(
Wow... I wondered, when I saw it, what people would do. It's been a while since I last saw the classic Middle Finger on NG, but it seems to be floating around still.
I just can't believe this shit. It's kind of bad when broken games and blank screens pass. My theory about people voting based on filesize has more and more supporting evidence every day.
It's kind of bad when a preloader gets high votes more than the content itself.
I'm not sure about this but read the author's comments I did not make this game. this game is a product of tonowi.com
The game is from a japanese site.
Archer I'm a good shot!
At 4/3/11 01:58 PM, BigMike47 wrote: *ultimate facepalm*
Hmm, yeah, I agree with you and I second the facepalm, now, there's an *epic ultimate facepalm*. We rock.
Also, thanks SCTE, for the abusive rev. :D
Now, on to the Portal!
At 4/3/11 01:13 PM, RogerBK wrote: The hentai quizzes are annoying me.
I was meaning to address the issue of these quizzes getting through a few weeks ago when HTP and DC were first starting to put them out regularly. It is indeed a problem, there is a very high possibility that it is all instigated by the same person or perhaps a small group of individuals.
Genre moderators have been given a green light by the admins to flag such games and quizzes as spam to filter out content like that in an upcoming update. The main reason for this massive deletion is because of the concern of non-original art and possibly copyright violations.
I had already discussed it to some length in that thread that sprite movies share a similar dilemma but are not being prosecuted to the same degree. There seems to be a double-standard but it is one that shall be enforced without haste.
Although the Portal submit FAQs state that 'quiz games are okay', several adult quiz games around Newgrounds have been promptly removed out of the non-original art concern. Expect upcoming revisions to state that non-original art will not be accepted in future submit rules, including sprites.
Some of the more popular adult quiz submissions that are still around are likely kept because they are more than just "answer a question, see a picture" kind of thing or are satire. This is probably also the reason that most of the sprite movies or games aren't removed, as per their use.
In any case, they can still submit through this loophole and pass because of our demographic and their lack of foresight. I generally attempt to BLAM the Flash, even when I know that it will pass anyway - I do this because I genuinely dislike the Flash and feel like my vote will lessen its chances.
If past events have shown us anything, it is that these quiz games will meet a swift and just end at the hands of the admins. I'm not proposing the return of the AHC or to persuade anyone here to vote a certain way, but just know that there is a crackdown on non-original art in Flash entries.
Quiz games passing are fine, even if the higher ups don't like it. It's the slideshows that we really have any real justification for flagging. If there are any genre mods in the EGB, I would strongly encourage you to mark/tag spammy hentai quiz games as that - 'Spam'. This will make it easier to round them up for judgment when the time comes.
...
Hello, how is everyone doing today? Anyone do anything interesting or exciting over the Spring Break period? I didn't do anything. The only good news for me right now is that I'll be heading up to college in a little more or less than a month from now, so I am well anxious and ready to get out there right away.
Random poll: What is your favorite color? I wish to audit what colors in the visible spectrum the EGB has preference over. Black, white, and all shades of grey in-between are values, so they aren't proper answers.
My vote is for green.
Take care of yourself.
At 4/3/11 01:58 PM, BigMike47 wrote:At 4/3/11 12:54 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: And I love all of the tests. "Please don't view this or vote on it im just testing." Sorry Pal, you submitted it.Yeah you wouldn't believe it, a game that doesn't even load just passed judgment.....It's just a blank screen that says "loading," the sad thing is that everyone who reviewed this game left a comment like "Game doesn't work" and yet it still passed judgement. I mean the voters brilliantly came to the conclusion that the game doesn't work, and yet they still give it a 5 (derp) *ultimate facepalm*
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/56 6489
Abandon hope, all ye who enter Newgrounds :(
It is because of shit like this that I went into my second retirement. I seen this happen so much. But one thing though. You can't see the reviews when the flash is still UJ. Back in the old days you could see the most recent review but they took that out. But seriously is it too hard to PLAY THE FLASH MOVIE, THEN VOTE FOR IT INSTEAD OF AUTOPROTECTING?
I don't have the ultimate facepalm pic but I do have one I think would go with this sitch.
Hello, soldiers of the EGB! Former Supreme Commander Slash Firestorm dropping in to say hello!
Wait, former? What?
Look at me. Now look at my profile page. Now look at my blam and save points, look at me again. Yep, I have requested (and received---thank you Wade) that all my B/P points be reset to zero.
Here's the message I sent to Wade:
*****
"If this falls outside what you'd regularly do, or if you don't have time to waste on this, I fully understand.
But I'd like to ask you to nerf my blam and save stats to zero, if possible. I'm fully aware of how many I have (34616) and the huge hit it'd have on my voting power.
[details to confirm it's actually me and that my account hasn't been hijacked]
I'm disgusted by the mass saving of utter shit that's gone on in the Portal for so long. Blank screens pass judgment just so people can get their precious protect points and end up on lists of the biggest statwhores on the site. Now, I am not fully innocent of this myself, and not just on Clock Day---I don't think any of the big B/P'ers on the site hasn't done it sometime. You see a flash, think to yourself "I'm so close to the next rank" or "man, the top B/P'er list updates tomorrow and I want to make some progress!" and you vote five on some spammy piece of shit that you know will pass because other assholes are doing the same thing.
So while there are far more guilty people than me, it'd partially be a self-inflicted punishment. It's also a sort of purification---I'd like to move up the B/P ranks at my own pace, this time without resorting to any save-whoring.
And hey, maybe some people will find a bit of inspiration in it. Probably too much to hope for, but hell, you never know.
Whether you do it or not, thank you for your time, Wade."
*****
So yeah, I'm no longer a Supreme Commander, and soon only those people who know me now will know that I ever was. I'm cleansed and purified---now I can work my way up the ranks at my own pace, and when I become a Supreme Commander again (which will take much longer than the first time, I'm sure), it'll be 30000 points of pure, not-even-one-damn-save-whoring point. The B/P list won't be relevant to me for a long, long time.
I AM FREE.
And once I reach Private rank all over again, I'll be making a return to the EGB. I won't be the dominating speed-demon that I used to be (both due to the lighter submission rate in the Portal compared to '05/'06 and a complete lack of point-whoring), but, just like I've said before...
SLASH SHALL RETURN <3
Slash's call
was absorbed
by the darkness.
At 4/5/11 09:55 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: SLASH SHALL RETURN <3
It's a very noble thing you did there, Slash. But I feel it is my duty to mention that the B/P list, AKA "the save whores' list" has now been retired by Bahamut for the same reason as your nerfing desire. It's sad alright, but I still hope sometime in the relatable future, things might just change.
Elite Guard Barracks Former 3IC
NG Dept. of Defense Chief Sup. Commander/Ball buster.
I live in Israel:...Whooptie-fucking-doo.
At 4/5/11 10:28 AM, Phantom wrote: It's a very noble thing you did there, Slash. But I feel it is my duty to mention that the B/P list, AKA "the save whores' list" has now been retired by Bahamut for the same reason as your nerfing desire. It's sad alright, but I still hope sometime in the relatable future, things might just change.
IT WAS AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE, IT IS NOT BEING RETIRED :'(
At 4/1/11 03:00 AM, Bahamut wrote: Hey guys, did you miss me?
I was initially very happy that it was being retired as an act of protest, but when it turned out to be a joke, I was...rather displeased. April Fool's---nobody gives a shit about the Portal! Haha. Ha. Ha...
The fact that it continued was a factor in my decision to do this, but not the only one.
Slash's call
was absorbed
by the darkness.
Hi ladies and gents of the EGB.
Just popping in to see how things are doing and to apologise once again for my absence, I'm still without a laptop :(. I should be getting a new on at the end of june or early july, until then though I'm having to settle with just being online when I'm around a friends house.
I'll try to get on as often as I can.
P.S. Good to see my name on the EGB Roster finally.
At 4/5/11 09:55 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: Hello, soldiers of the EGB! Former Supreme Commander Slash Firestorm dropping in to say hello!
Wait, former? What?
Look at me. Now look at my profile page. Now look at my blam and save points, look at me again. Yep, I have requested (and received---thank you Wade) that all my B/P points be reset to zero.
Here's the message I sent to Wade:
*****(Omitted for brevity)***
So yeah, I'm no longer a Supreme Commander, and soon only those people who know me now will know that I ever was. I'm cleansed and purified---now I can work my way up the ranks at my own pace, and when I become a Supreme Commander again (which will take much longer than the first time, I'm sure), it'll be 30000 points of pure, not-even-one-damn-save-whoring point. The B/P list won't be relevant to me for a long, long time.
I AM FREE.
And once I reach Private rank all over again, I'll be making a return to the EGB. I won't be the dominating speed-demon that I used to be (both due to the lighter submission rate in the Portal compared to '05/'06 and a complete lack of point-whoring), but, just like I've said before...
SLASH SHALL RETURN <3
Slash, I fully respect your decision. It was a difficult one, and it does set a good example for the rest of us. Regardless of your rank, you will always be the founder of the Barracks, and a leader among us.
However, I will be following a different course to help combat the crud on the portal. I can say that the majority of points I get are "fair", but before I joined the EGB, I did whore out on Clock day and maybe wasn't as fair as I should be on overall voting. As in my real life, I may not be proud of everything I've ever done, but I live my life now by using my skills, abilities and knowledge for the greater good.
It would be like me undergoing a lobotomy and relearning everything to atone for my past errors. Instead, I keep those memories of my failures alive, as a warning not to do them again, and to continue, both on Newgrounds and in real life, to do the right thing and fight the good fight. With a weighted vote of 12.05, my vote makes more of a difference now. To reset that back to 5 or 6 makes me only half as effective in doing my job.
Nobody is perfect, Slash. People make mistakes - but the wise ones not only learn from them - they learn how to do better afterwards. Your path of self-cleansing is very honorable, as it is your way to show that the B/P points aren't important to you - and that they shouldn't be important to us.
But we have SEVEN Supreme Commanders in the barracks, which count for about 80+ voting points. That's quite a chunk. And if I do all of the math, and figure out the TOTAL voting power of ALL of the barracks members, it's over 200. That means that WE HAVE THE POWER TO DO THE RIGHT THING -BUT WE ALL NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING TOGETHER.
We all know the true junk: the blank flashes, the obviously stolen ones, the blammed and resubmitted, the spam screamers, etc. These aren't even borderline. If we ALL voted fairly just on the junk alone, and stayed active just on those flashes, we could offset the stat whores and make a difference.
This is why I've introduced the "grading" for activity and posting on the roster - we have a fine selection of soldiers - but who's on the front line? - and who's on R&R? We need active members now more than ever.
Thank you again for being the inspiration that you are, Slash. I hope that all of us find a way to use that inspiration to help make us all better members of the Barracks - and better citizens of Newgrounds.
*Salutes*
At 4/5/11 01:40 PM, Cootie wrote: What would you think of a "yay or nay" system for the portal. Like, no score is given just a yes or no for if it should pass judgement and once it DOES pass it can be voted on for score.
So, you vote yes or no (and your votes are weighed for voting power of course) and wait until the flash reaches 250 votes. If 40% of the people vote to keep it then the flash passes. But, if 60% vote to blam it then the flash goes.
Possibly just a generic up or down thumb sign for the voting button.
Hmm....... Honestly I don't think this would help, as lots of voters would just spam the "thumbs up" button in order to get quick points. This would most likely just perpetuate more abuse in the system I feel, and also it would be harder to tell which flash was the best and such with a "thumbs up/down" voting system. I thought Byteslinger had some good ideas with changing/tweaking the voting system a bit by giving more power to honest voters and changing the system by making it so a Flash has to have more protect points to be saved (maybe this could be done by making the rating system range from "1-10" instead of "1-5"). These are just my opinions, but the best solution would probably be for an admin to (once again) address the voters on the General BBS about all the crap that has been protected lately.
At 4/5/11 09:55 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: Hello, soldiers of the EGB! Former Supreme Commander Slash Firestorm dropping in to say hello!
I have to say Slash, that was a hell of a brave move from you, and for the reasons you've given you have absolute and total respect from me. I also hope it serves as some sort of inspiration as well, thought I do admit to fearing the move may not reverberate beyond those who may already support the line of fair voting.
Perhaps making a thread in General with before and after shots of your profile, detailing your reasons behind the move (and showing that at the end of the day, they are just points on a website which gives us free entertainment and requires little but honest judgement in return) might be in order.
Either way, you have my full backing and best wishes, I await the day you return to us 2,500 B/P better off.
At 4/5/11 10:39 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: IT WAS AN APRIL FOOL'S JOKE, IT IS NOT BEING RETIRED :'(
God damn it, I was fooled.
But I'm still not B/Ping right now at all or anything. At least for the past couple days. I just can't stand voting right and being fucking punished for it by those save whores. When the voting changes, I'll be back too.
Elite Guard Barracks Former 3IC
NG Dept. of Defense Chief Sup. Commander/Ball buster.
I live in Israel:...Whooptie-fucking-doo.
At 4/5/11 09:55 AM, SlashFirestorm wrote: Hello, soldiers of the EGB! Former Supreme Commander Slash Firestorm dropping in to say hello!
Wait, former? What?
Look at me. Now look at my profile page. Now look at my blam and save points, look at me again. Yep, I have requested (and received---thank you Wade) that all my B/P points be reset to zero.
I think that's a great thing you have done. For two reasons. First is I think it's a protest that needs to be made, that changes need to be made that haven't occurred yet. I'll be interested to see with the upcoming redesign if any changes are carried out to the portal. I'm ready to be deceived though, but one can always hope.
Second, I think it's a good idea to restart, because now you can level up all over again. Once you get to Supreme Commander, there isn't any more leveling up. It's kind of like you decided to go into prestige mode.
Either way, glad to see you might become more active again!
At 4/5/11 11:07 AM, byteslinger wrote: Slash, I fully respect your decision. It was a difficult one, and it does set a good example for the rest of us. Regardless of your rank, you will always be the founder of the Barracks, and a leader among us.
Well, Eagle's the founder...I just filled in for a while, lol. But yeah, I know this place will always be home.
The cut to my voting power was one of the things that gave me pause---after all, I could do a lot to fight spam with that +60%---but in the end I felt that the message was important enough that it'd be worth it. Plus I have to go forward with a clean conscience---I didn't save-whore much, and mostly it was back in the beginning, but still.
I don't know what I'll do on Clock Day. Maybe I'll just vote more leniently, maybe I'll just skip it entirely to resist temptation. We'll see, it's a long way off.
At 4/5/11 02:09 PM, RohantheBarbarian wrote: I have to say Slash, that was a hell of a brave move from you, and for the reasons you've given you have absolute and total respect from me. I also hope it serves as some sort of inspiration as well, thought I do admit to fearing the move may not reverberate beyond those who may already support the line of fair voting.
Yeah, I don't think many of the point whores will actually care. It was more a show of "I can quit anytime I want to, and here's the proof". I mean, if a Supreme Commander can willingly part with his points so easily, then maybe those stats really aren't as important as some people think.
Perhaps making a thread in General with before and after shots of your profile, detailing your reasons behind the move (and showing that at the end of the day, they are just points on a website which gives us free entertainment and requires little but honest judgement in return) might be in order.
Fuck, I should have taken a screenshot. I've already mentioned it in Wi/Ht...I have a feeling a General thread would just draw bullshitting. Anyone else wants to propagate this, feel free.
At 4/5/11 04:22 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote: Second, I think it's a good idea to restart, because now you can level up all over again. Once you get to Supreme Commander, there isn't any more leveling up. It's kind of like you decided to go into prestige mode.
Yeah, but I'm going to be a LOT slower than the old days, and not just because I'll be voting fairly 100% of the time---I don't have the free time that I used to, for one thing. A handful of points here and there, a quick run of the Portal when I can...it'll be a while before I'm back here, I can say that for sure. I'll still be whistling the shit out of abuse that I see, though.
Even if no anti-spam measures come with it, I'd like to think that once the redesign is complete, at least the admins will have more time to deal with the Portal. It's supposed to be the core of Newgrounds, but more and more it's treated like it's...less than essential.
At 4/5/11 04:32 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Very noble indeed. I know my B/P looks funky but at the moment I am still continuing t B/P and watching whatever I vote on. Still makes me slightly sad that things that should not pass still do but I guess once everyone actually starts to watch the flashes rather than blind voting then maybe garbage will stop passing through with reviews stating obvious junk.
I wonder what my B/P ratio will be this time. Before it was roughly 7:10 in favor of blams (which translated into 5000+ more blams than saves). Hm.
We shall see.
Slash's call
was absorbed
by the darkness.
Well, after my first real Portal run in a very long time, I have this to say.
There sure are a lot of games which are utterly mediocre and pointless. I gave them (barely) passing scores since they were functional and had modest graphics/sound, but still...
Also saw two different dress-up things. Gave them passing scores (again, barely) because they were functional and the art was okay. However, if I see a bunch of reskinned clones of them (a problem I've heard about but haven't had the 'pleasure' of seeing for myself yet), I intend to blam them---if they want me to give a new score to their submissions, then they can give me a new submission to vote on, not the same thing with different graphics.
This is how I vote on things with elaborate preloaders/intros, too---I consider them in my voting decision the first time I see them, but after that I vote solely on the feature presentation.
Slash's call
was absorbed
by the darkness.
This passed.
THIS passed!
THIS PASSED!?
*rips hair out*
Slash's call
was absorbed
by the darkness.
At 4/5/11 07:38 PM, SlashFirestorm wrote: I don't know what I'll do on Clock Day. Maybe I'll just vote more leniently, maybe I'll just skip it entirely to resist temptation. We'll see, it's a long way off.
You could just be like me, and vote like you usually do. Just cause it's clock day doesn't make the flashes any more worthy. Means I vote zero for most of the day, and I get no points. At least I have a clear conscience.
Fuck, I should have taken a screenshot. I've already mentioned it in Wi/Ht...I have a feeling a General thread would just draw bullshitting. Anyone else wants to propagate this, feel free.
Problem is it might not necessarily reach the correct audience either way.
Even if no anti-spam measures come with it, I'd like to think that once the redesign is complete, at least the admins will have more time to deal with the Portal. It's supposed to be the core of Newgrounds, but more and more it's treated like it's...less than essential.
That really is my biggest issue with the site ATM. This place became extremely popular for two reasons. First, the Assassin section. Second, the Mature section. Both of these were made possible by the Flash Portal, which allows anyone to submit everything they want. It's what makes this site so unique!
Now, they want to branch out and do Art and Writing and what else not. Here's the deal. It's going to fail. Why?? Look at the Audio Portal! I don't know about you, but I never visit that thing. OK, it caters to a certain amount of the populace, but a very small amount. For some reason they seem to think that adding a bunch of new things is gonna make the site more popular. It's probably not going to. Which is why I agree with you, that they need to focus on their bread maker instead of letting it go to shit.
Flash Portal moderators. WHY? Simple! Fact is I see way too many times where stolen material or abusive material makes it through the portal. This is a ticking time bomb. Allowing stolen stuff through the portal shouldn't happen, but it does. Because the majority of the voting body is young and stupid and doesn't think outside the box. They don't realize something might be stolen unless it jumps in their freaking face. Even then, the whistle rarely gets blown. The system does NOT work... point blank. I don't know how many times I can say this.
At 4/6/11 03:43 PM, SlashFirestorm wrote: This passed.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/56 6754
THIS passed!
THIS PASSED!?
*rips hair out*
Why do you think I shave my head now!
HAHAHA
At 4/6/11 03:43 PM, SlashFirestorm wrote: This passed.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/56 6754
THIS passed!
THIS PASSED!?
*rips hair out*
Perhaps that passed, but this one didn't make it. I haven't had this screen in some time and it feels goods. The score was below a 1.00 when it was deleted.
Hey everyone. Pretty much Private as Private can get Bladebound reporting! I would just like to say that I love what you guys do and I'm contributing to the effort as much as I can. So often I see terrible submissions pass (i.e. My Sonic Tribute from a few days ago) and would love to see something done about it.
I have a small question. When you rank up and get more voting power, are you able to officially blam submissions with your vote? Thanks!
This is what I'm talking about,
View any of his submissions. They're all offensive and complete trash.
At 4/6/11 09:21 PM, Bladebound wrote: Hey everyone. Pretty much Private as Private can get Bladebound reporting!
Nope. You're a Civilian. You need 2,500 B/P points to join. You have 63.
I have a small question. When you rank up and get more voting power, are you able to officially blam submissions with your vote? Thanks!
What do you mean? A submission needs at least 100 votes to pass judgment.
After 100 votes, the score must be at least 1.0/5.
After 150 votes, the score must be at least 1.25/5.
After 200 votes, the score must be at least 1.6/5.
Once you reach the rank of Security Guard, which you receive at 400 B/P Points, you can join the NGPD.
At 4/6/11 09:21 PM, Bladebound wrote: Hey everyone. Pretty much Private as Private can get Bladebound reporting! I would just like to say that I love what you guys do and I'm contributing to the effort as much as I can. So often I see terrible submissions pass (i.e. My Sonic Tribute from a few days ago) and would love to see something done about it.
I have a small question. When you rank up and get more voting power, are you able to officially blam submissions with your vote? Thanks!
Hello Bladebound. I'm EGSC byteslinger, Recruitment Officer for the Elite Guard. As many of my minions...er, compatriots have mentioned, you've got a little ways to go before you reach the minimum requirements to join the Elite Guard. I can appreciate your enthusiasm, but I just want to make it clear that the primary purpose of the Barracks is to keep the balance in the Portal. We do this by voting fairly as each sees fit, and we are not now, nor ever will be, a "blam" club.
It is true that some flashes are undeniably blam-worthy, and it is hoped that all members recognize them and manage them appropriately. We do not make posts such as "Hey, flash #234985 under judgement is spam - let's all blam it!" - that will shut us down in a New York minute.
We do point out stolen flashes, and give eachother heads-up on visible crew activities and whatever other important things that need to be shared. But we do it with respect, keeping the rules of the Newgrounds always in mind.
So, keep fighting the good fight - don't be afraid to blam the trash, and always be fair. Learn to be helpful, stay respectful, and do the right things - and you'll be ready to join before you know it.
See you in a few months!
Wow I really admire what you have done SlashFirestorm having your b/p reset to zero and losing your supreme commander. I don't tend to go on the portal much but, I think what you have done is very good and hopefully the portal will improve. I don't care about points I want to help the portal by voting fairly. I hope to see you here again once you have gotten to private. I noticed a sequel to Jerry called Jerry 2 here not see all of it though.
Archer I'm a good shot!
Hey guys, thanks for all the advice and info. You'll see me again
