At 1/14/11 06:38 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 9344
Another Choco Break. These things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

At least they're not as common as they were at first. Seems like I saw 10 of them a day, and they all passed for some reason..

At 1/14/11 06:38 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: Another Choco Break. These things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Looks like this one passed. I guess we all learned a lesson. If you can't get something through the portal, try and try again until people get sick of blamming it. I may not be up to full speed on this but is there something wrong with it or is it just a submission that keeps popping up?

At 1/14/11 10:31 PM, Phantom wrote:

At 1/14/11 06:38 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: Another Choco Break. These things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Looks like this one passed. I guess we all learned a lesson. If you can't get something through the portal, try and try again until people get sick of blamming it. I may not be up to full speed on this but is there something wrong with it or is it just a submission that keeps popping up?

I don't think they're ever blammed. They all pass, because people don't pay attention to the actual content and vote based on file size, and then Wade deletes them.

If you didn't know, ClickTeam made this thing, similar to Flash, that makes making flash really easy.. Choco Break is the tutorial that teaches you how to do everything, and because anybody can easily edit it a bit, different variations of it are submitted over and over again.

Here we go again

Yet another choco break knock off. When will people get creative and not post a tutorial as their own work?

At 1/14/11 10:41 PM, Jolly wrote:

If you didn't know, ClickTeam made this thing, similar to Flash, that makes making flash really easy.. Choco Break is the tutorial that teaches you how to do everything, and because anybody can easily edit it a bit, different variations of it are submitted over and over again.

I don't know how many times I have to call you guys out for being wrong on this, but don't state wrong facts. It really makes you look ignorant because well... ignorant is the right word for situations like this. The tutorial is nothing but writing and directions.

People actually have to put these things together all by themselves. I followed the tutorial and it takes a couple of hours to make this game. These people aren't just stealing a pre-made game and editing it here and there. Instead, they are opening up the program and making this game from scratch by following the directions.

That being said, the games should obviously not be submitted unless they make drastic changes to them. Just don't make it sound like these people aren't doing anything and are just using this premade file because that's not how it really works.

At 1/14/11 06:38 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 9344
Another Choco Break. These things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

In fact, did any of you play this game for more than 10 seconds before jumping on it being the tutorial? This game only shares one thing like the tutorial. It uses the same graphics. it would have been nice to see different graphics, but other than that it's nothing like it.

The tutorial doesn't include levels while this has several levels. On top of that it was an "upgrade" feature where you can get extra lives. The tutorial doesn't even teach you how to do that. This is a pretty big change and should have passed like it did.

Everyone should take their own advice and give something a chance by actually viewing or playing it before jumping to a conclusion.

At 1/15/11 03:32 PM, Fro wrote:

If you didn't know, ClickTeam made this thing, similar to Flash, that makes making flash really easy.. Choco Break is the tutorial that teaches you how to do everything, and because anybody can easily edit it a bit, different variations of it are submitted over and over again.

If that's true, why do they all have the same exact graphics? They all have the same Choco-Break menu and the same character. I haven't personally followed the tutorial (I've barely even used GF2) but unless they give you all of the graphics in the tutorial, there has to be some way to download a tutorial that can be edited.

At 1/15/11 03:41 PM, Fro wrote:

At 1/14/11 06:38 PM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 9344
Another Choco Break. These things leave a bad taste in my mouth.

In fact, did any of you play this game for more than 10 seconds before jumping on it being the tutorial? This game only shares one thing like the tutorial. It uses the same graphics. it would have been nice to see different graphics, but other than that it's nothing like it.

The tutorial doesn't include levels while this has several levels. On top of that it was an "upgrade" feature where you can get extra lives. The tutorial doesn't even teach you how to do that. This is a pretty big change and should have passed like it did.

Everyone should take their own advice and give something a chance by actually viewing or playing it before jumping to a conclusion.

Wade has removed submissions that only add levels. If they only add levels, don't change the title or graphics, it's still technically stolen. They didn't put any effort into the flash other than simply moving a few blocks around. In my opinion, that still counts as being stolen.

At 1/15/11 06:57 PM, Jolly wrote:

If that's true, why do they all have the same exact graphics?

It's because the program is preloaded with hundreds of graphics and the tutorial has you use those graphics. There were some graphics in the game that I was talking about that wasn't included in the tutorial.

They didn't put any effort into the flash other than simply moving a few blocks around.

I think you need to try the program yourself before you keep talking at your rear end. You don't think it's some miracle program that allows you to make a game with no effort right? Like I said, at least an hour has to be put into even making the tutorial game itself. They start from scratch.

It's really not that much different than flash except for it allows people who don't understand actionscript to add actions. Instead of some code you push a few buttons here and there, but it's far from being an instant effortless program by far.

They're still considered stolen. It doesn't matter if they put effort into it. If you follow a tutorial exactly and don't change anything besides the levels, I'd say it's still considered stolen.

Tom Fulp himself has even said that the Choco Break submissions are considered stolen.

At 1/15/11 08:15 PM, Jolly wrote: They're still considered stolen. It doesn't matter if they put effort into it. If you follow a tutorial exactly and don't change anything besides the levels, I'd say it's still considered stolen.

Tom Fulp himself has even said that the Choco Break submissions are considered stolen.

Perhaps you missed when I said this. Perhaps it was the way that I worded it. Perhaps it's the way that you read it. Who knows.

I already know this. (And said it on this page along with several pages back) I was just saying don't think that they are these pieces that people just changed in a few minutes and submitted. That's what you guys were basically saying when you were talking about it. You had the right answer, but the wrong reasoning behind it.

Those two you linked to Sheizenhammer has been removed, the other may be legit address not matching does not mean it is stolen. Anyone played the game Deadly Premonition? I traded some of my games, but I thought from what I saw in a let's play it looked really good. I'm not going to play any more as I have seen the rest on online.

STOLEN FLASH ALERT.

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I go away for 2 fucking days and SEVEN DODGY FLASHES get submitted?!

What the fuck is this shit!? Even if the Choco-break ones aren't outright stolen, that's still a lot of shit getting uploaded for no good reason!

IMO, if throwing a few extra drum loops into a copyrighted music track gets you an audio ban, throwing a few minor details into a flash that is for all intents and purposes pre-made is probably against the flash submission rules too. Remember rule no.1: "Your movie must not be someone else's work!".
Even if the choco-break games themselves are being individually created from following tutorial steps, the underlying work behind making said steps was Clickteam's, not that of the people uploading them. Ergo, the letter of the of the law doesn't necessarily stop at just downloading .swf files from other sites, since the majority of the work involved here is being plagarised nonetheless.

At 1/16/11 09:55 AM, Sheizenhammer wrote: I go away for 2 fucking days and SEVEN DODGY FLASHES get submitted?!

And they all passed? You know, I'd think the people the blindlessly vote on submissions would, at the very least, pay attention to the description.

By the way, I have some questions. The first being about Clock Day. Basically, what is the EGB's opinion on it? Should we watch every submission and vote based on what we really think about it, or can we save every submission to celebrate clock day?

At 1/16/11 10:33 AM, Jolly wrote: I'd think

Sorry about the double post.. Maybe I'm letting this bother me to much, but I meant to say "You'd think".

I haven't been sleeping enough lately.

At 1/16/11 10:33 AM, Jolly wrote: Should we watch every submission and vote based on what we really think about it, or can we save every submission to celebrate clock day?

That's what I did last Clock Day. I don't believe in the whole "Fifen" thing anymore. In fact, Clock Day itself is the reason why my B/P ratio is so screwed up. I used to B/P maybe once a month and went all-out on Clock Day.

Last CD, I gave everything a fair vote. I know I missed out on a lot of points, but I did get 1 or 2 blams. Clock Day flashes seriously annoy me. There's some good flash, sure, but how many people will do the sheep thing and submit another B clone?

At 1/16/11 10:33 AM, Jolly wrote: By the way, I have some questions. The first being about Clock Day. Basically, what is the EGB's opinion on it? Should we watch every submission and vote based on what we really think about it, or can we save every submission to celebrate clock day?

So far as I'm aware, the EGB rules make no exception for Clock Day. If it's crap, it should be rated as such, same as every other day. Not that anyone outside of this club does that, but meh. Sheep mentality and protect-whoring is exactly what this club was NOT about, anyway.

At 1/16/11 10:36 AM, JoIIySpace wrote:

At 1/16/11 10:33 AM, Jolly wrote: I'd think

Sorry about the double post.. Maybe I'm letting this bother me to much, but I meant to say "You'd think".

I haven't been sleeping enough lately.

Alternate profile detect. lol

I'm pretty tired too, thankfully, I'm on vacations... :D

At 1/16/11 11:03 AM, Sheizenhammer wrote:

At 1/16/11 10:33 AM, Jolly wrote: By the way, I have some questions. The first being about Clock Day. Basically, what is the EGB's opinion on it? Should we watch every submission and vote based on what we really think about it, or can we save every submission to celebrate clock day?

So far as I'm aware, the EGB rules make no exception for Clock Day. If it's crap, it should be rated as such, same as every other day. Not that anyone outside of this club does that, but meh. Sheep mentality and protect-whoring is exactly what this club was NOT about, anyway.

I know a hand ful of users outside of this club who vote fairly. I happen to be one of them (Unless you don't count retired EGB members in this) But is because of clock day that caused this to happen. It was the one thing that started this whole vote 5 on everything fad back in the days when blams ruled.

Not mostly everyone treats the portal like clockday unless the author says to blam the flash.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 9585

Yet another person is trying to pass of choco break as their work. When will the madness stop?

At 1/17/11 10:47 AM, LittleWashu wrote: Yet another person is trying to pass of choco break as their work. When will the madness stop?

Not today, apparently:

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At 1/17/11 10:58 AM, Sheizenhammer wrote:

At 1/17/11 10:47 AM, LittleWashu wrote: Yet another person is trying to pass of choco break as their work. When will the madness stop?

Not today, apparently:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/55 9593

Definitely not.

It has music, a different paddle, but other than that everything is Choco break.

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At 1/14/11 11:21 AM, Ronald-McDonald-LoL wrote: You know what disappoints me most? The fact that pressing play will take you to another unrelated page... and it passed. There's no game at all. Another obvious clue that a majority of portal voters don't even bother to play what they're voting.

Well that almost an epidemic now in the portal. Seems like anyboy nowdays can just make some shit flash and post it and then post it again and odds are they would probably both pass. Hell where are the days when you had to actually put some effort into a flash to get it onto the portal? They might be ling gone but would be a good sign if it came back.

At 1/17/11 03:54 PM, Pandamir wrote:

Well that almost an epidemic now in the portal. Seems like anyboy nowdays can just make some shit flash and post it and then post it again and odds are they would probably both pass. Hell where are the days when you had to actually put some effort into a flash to get it onto the portal? They might be ling gone but would be a good sign if it came back.

Technically that's impossible because newgrounds won't allow you to submit a file that has already been submitted to newgrounds whether it passed or was blammed. The bad thing is it's so easy to get around it. All they have to do is add an empty frame here or change a graphic there, etc...

On top of that it's so hard for the general population to know something was submitted before so they don't know to mark it accordingly.

At 1/17/11 04:23 PM, Fro wrote: Technically that's impossible because newgrounds won't allow you to submit a file that has already been submitted to newgrounds whether it passed or was blammed. The bad thing is it's so easy to get around it. All they have to do is add an empty frame here or change a graphic there, etc...

On top of that it's so hard for the general population to know something was submitted before so they don't know to mark it accordingly.

Well I know technically it is but was just giving an example of what is happening in the portal now. And as for knowing how to grade something it is very complex for them to know if it has been submitted before. And therefore they just spam vote it and then both are on here. And that is why the portal is in the shape it's in.

Ok, so you know what I find weird and uncomfortable and would like someone else more qualified than me to look over?

This guy. He submitted his second game today, one one with the logo of Fog, and another with the Box10 logo. I think he's full of shit and his account is written as being made in Gmail. Come on...

At 1/17/11 11:10 PM, Jedi-Master wrote:

At 1/17/11 10:27 PM, Phantom wrote: This guy. He submitted his second game today, one one with the logo of Fog, and another with the Box10 logo. I think he's full of shit and his account is written as being made in Gmail. Come on...

The game that he has submitted, Fog Golf...

I completely agree with this flash being stolen. He does not seem to have a qualified background at all. I tried looking through FOG.com for contact information, but there does not appear to be any. Based on his previous submission I am sure this is not the first game he has tried to claim his own. The Spiderman game he has tagged to his account passed some time ago, but if you follow the link it redirects to yet another free online games site. This may be an author worth keeping an eye on. Just a thought.

This is pointed towards anyone, but it's a feature that I just learned about last night. There is a major website that game makers can join where people upload their games to. You then click this distribute button and starting with the A's it takes you to a website that you can upload your game to so you get more views.

I was working my way through this so I could make a few extra bucks here and there to notice that newgrounds was one of the game websites. The thing is, it almost encourages people to sign up right there and then and even to use an email that they don't want people to know about on all of the sites.

This means you might be getting level 1 accounts that just signed up that day submitting flashes that have been around for years with a fake email giving the impression that it's stolen when really it's just someone like me trying to get a few extra thousand views here and there.

Not to try and make our jobs harder or anything, but that really shows you have to be 120 percent sure that it's stolen and simply because it's on another site and it's a new user doesn't mean it is. In fact, I'm sure more times than not it's someone just finding the site for the first time and deciding to get a burst of ad revenue from their game.

http://flashgamedistribution.com/

I'd just like to say that I'm leaving Newgrounds, and won't be coming back. I'm being constantly character assassinated by Sheizenhammer. Yes, I'll admit I cut and pasted characters in two of my movies. OMG!!! I just stole a single captain picard gif, as well as a single anime gif! OH THE TWO MINUTES OF WORK THAT MUST'VE GONE INTO MAKING THOSE!!!111!!! Fine, I've had enough of being cyber-bullied. Goodbye forever, newgrounds. I've scrubbed another account I've owned of my work, since people seem to be out to get me.

At 1/18/11 11:05 AM, Athos wrote: I'd just like to say that I'm leaving Newgrounds, and won't be coming back. I'm being constantly character assassinated by Sheizenhammer. Yes, I'll admit I cut and pasted characters in two of my movies. OMG!!! I just stole a single captain picard gif, as well as a single anime gif! OH THE TWO MINUTES OF WORK THAT MUST'VE GONE INTO MAKING THOSE!!!111!!! Fine, I've had enough of being cyber-bullied. Goodbye forever, newgrounds. I've scrubbed another account I've owned of my work, since people seem to be out to get me.

No. You're not leaving. You're being removed. In fact, your account has been deleted as I am writing this. From what I can see, you've brought all of this upon yourself. No one to blame but the kid in the mirror.

Maybe next time you'll have matured a bit. We'll see. Somehow, I know you'll be back with an alt soon enough...