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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-13 14:41:57


At 2/12/10 08:16 PM, aldlv wrote: i still haven't seen snow yet... is one of the thing i have to do before i die... XD

Sheesh, I didn't think of it that way. When it comes to the summer, I love the nice sunny days and having my top down driving around, but I wouldn't appreciate it as much if it was always like that. Summer all year would get bland, I guess. Where do you live, exactly? Just curious...

At 2/12/10 09:47 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: Thanks dude, that means a lot coming from a good friend.

Anytime :-)

26-30 - Oh you're kidding? There's like 6 inches on the roads and there's possibly ice!! BUT I STILL HAVE TO COME INTO WORK! Oh what fun this is gonna be. I get to process a crime scene in half a foot of snow. @_@

Sounds like he... *puts on glasses* ...needs to chill...
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHH

Hey Eagle and you too Byte, y'all should set up a comedy club or something, y'all would be fuckin rich!

Hmm...a comedy club, eh? *insert witty and descriptive response here*...I am not really creative right now, lol

At 2/13/10 01:51 AM, byteslinger wrote: Well, I'm not old yet - at least, not from my point of view. From my perspective, I'm just waiting for everyone else here to just catch up.

Hell, if Roger Daltrey and Pete Townsend can still rock out at their ages at the Super Bowl, what the hell IS old?

Ah, no, do not fear. I try to keep my mind active, so I hope to push off senility for a long time. But if I do begin to get flaky (okay, flakier) around the edges, I think I'll name all my cats after EGB members to help me remember everyone here. Imagine this:

The year is 2050. There is a small house in the middle of a Connecticut suburb that needs new paint and some serious landscaping. The picket fence is broken in spots, and the old car in the driveway has been sitting on four flat tires for years. The name on the mailbox has long since been obliterated, but the little old lady inside doesn't mind. Everyone has been calling her "Auntie Byte" for as long as she could remember.

Inside, there are piles and piles of computer parts from years long passed. She used to fix them, but now, they are more useful as furniture - and a playground for the countless number of cats that scamper, play and fight. Oddly enough, despite all of the feline frenzy, they have all been trained to go outside through the kitty door and do their pooping in the overgrown garden.

From the dark corners of what was once a server room, you can hear the voice of a little old lady chastising her furry friends - all named after historic EGB members: "Cobra, stop drinking out of the toilet! Porkchop, stop that - that's a STUFFED cat! Lizz, get up and play with Krev - all you do is lay down all day, everywhere and anywhere! Puddin, look at that mess - another furrball on the floor! Fro, get off that TV - you never seem to get enough of it. Aldlv, where are you? It's time for your medicine! Oh, and you my feisty little Eaggie - stop trying to boss all the others around. What do you think you are, their commander?"

Yeah, I might go crazy - but I'll be taking all of you with me ...hehehe!!!!

Until then, I'll just keep everyone chuckling!

*Salutes*

I was laughing my ass off reading this. I only have one response, though:

When you are senile with 57 cats running around all named after us... will you call us the KITTY KREW???

BAH DUM TSHHHHHHH

*does a dance on stage* I'm here all week people! *dodges cane and tomatoes*

I could NOT resist.
At 2/13/10 10:19 AM, Coop83 wrote: As a Review Mod, I don't. However, as a BBS Mod, I do ;)

Didn't you know - I got the job about a month ago :P

I had no freakin' clue. Fro actually told me last night as well. I guess I missed the memo. :-) We probably should chat a bit more so I can actually keep track of what the hell my officers are doing. :-P

If I see multiples appearing in these places, I will delete posts for +1ing. I don't want to, but I have rules to enforce.

I don't think anyone would blame you. I wouldn't want preferential treatment, anyway. It just isn't right. But thanks for the input! I'll know to come to you if I have other questions in the future.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-13 16:18:10


At 2/13/10 02:41 PM, EagleRock wrote:
At 2/12/10 08:16 PM, aldlv wrote: i still haven't seen snow yet... is one of the thing i have to do before i die... XD
Sheesh, I didn't think of it that way. When it comes to the summer, I love the nice sunny days and having my top down driving around, but I wouldn't appreciate it as much if it was always like that. Summer all year would get bland, I guess. Where do you live, exactly? Just curious...

I live in Guatemala
is the country down of mexico...

this year was the first year in history, that snowed on Guatemala (you know... right now the weather is so crazy... stupid global warming)... but it snowed in the highest volcano here, so, it's not like i would decide to climb it from one day to another hahaha


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-13 17:34:49


At 2/13/10 02:41 PM, EagleRock wrote:
At 2/13/10 10:19 AM, Coop83 wrote: As a Review Mod, I don't. However, as a BBS Mod, I do ;)

Didn't you know - I got the job about a month ago :P
I had no freakin' clue. Fro actually told me last night as well. I guess I missed the memo. :-)

LOL

Well, someone had to :P

We probably should chat a bit more so I can actually keep track of what the hell my officers are doing. :-P

I'm sure you know where to find me.

If I see multiples appearing in these places, I will delete posts for +1ing. I don't want to, but I have rules to enforce.
I don't think anyone would blame you. I wouldn't want preferential treatment, anyway. It just isn't right. But thanks for the input! I'll know to come to you if I have other questions in the future.

Yeah, but I'd rather put forward the friendly, approachable front, that gives people the feeling they can talk to me. I respond to PMs and want to make the BBS a better place.

Also, I've just added a new Blammers Update.

Enjoy.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-14 01:45:38


Sorry about the delay, but I've finally managed to finish the next chapter in my fanfic,

[B]Through a Mirror Darkly - Chapter 21 - Follow the White Rabbit[/B]

It starts off where you might expect it to, but later, there'll be some twists and turns you'll never see coming!

Hope all of you like it!

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-14 16:25:10


Well, my family has switched from Sprint to Verizon. The cell phones are as follows:

My dad and I: plain old 3.2 MP camera phones just for making and receiving calls.
My brother: texting with friends.
My mom: A BLACKBERRY STORM WITH 3G ACCESS!!!!!!

In what twisted world is this supposed to happen?! My mom is the least computer savvy person I know. So, that being said, I told her Friday night, "DON'T ASK ME FOR HELP." She told me this morning "If you figure something out, you must tell me." Ok fine, that's a fair deal. If I had a DROID ERIS by HTC, I might be more inclined to help. Other than that, leave me out of it.

But seriously, since when are the LEAST TECH SAVVY PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO GET THE SMARTPHONES AND 3G ACCESS WHILE THE COLLEGE STUDENTS JUST GET TEXTING AND PLAIN OLD PHONES?!

Thoughts?


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-14 19:00:48


At 2/14/10 04:25 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: My dad and I: plain old 3.2 MP camera phones just for making and receiving calls.
But seriously, since when are the LEAST TECH SAVVY PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO GET THE SMARTPHONES AND 3G ACCESS WHILE THE COLLEGE STUDENTS JUST GET TEXTING AND PLAIN OLD PHONES?!

Thoughts?

No. I'm so sick of kids calling camera phones with god-knows-how-many games, accessories and other features "plain old phones". That's not a plain phone; this is. It's good for making calls and even a few other things. Make do with one of those for a few years, and THEN we'll talk.

I had one of those for ages. Only when it broke did I get another one (Siemens A65). I've had that for about 5 years now, and I'm fine with it because - surprise surprise - it still works as a phone!

Seriously, the mobile phone industry is so backward it's hilarious. The iPhone was the epitomy of what I find ridiculous about the whole thing, because for all the additions of endless fucking gadgets and apps to phones, the one thing that hasn't really improved at all is THE ABILITY TO USE IT AS A FUCKING PHONE! I'm serious; the speaker/mouthpiece/antenna in a modern phone is usually no better (and often worse) than phones that started the mobile phone trend (see above link).

You don't buy a phone these days, you buy a new box to keep your social life in. Which is just sad, to be honest. I know I'm probably sounding way older than I am here, but I really DO remember when conversations were primarily had in person, not via computers or phones that are about 1% actual phone components and 99% whatever-the-fuck the industry tells kids to like these days.

/rant.

Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-14 19:14:27


Calm down Hammer, when I say plain old phones, I'm talking about me having no texting, no 3G access, no nothing except making and receiving calls and maybe a couple pics here and there.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-14 20:17:20


That was one of my first mobiles my first being 5110. My current mobile phone or cell phone is this one.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_6 500_classic When it comes to phones though I'm not really that bothered, about flash. stuff as long as its got a camera and has nice themes and is Nokia that is cool. Not into complicated phones don't think much of the I Phone. Yesterday on the portal an user calling himself Mexican something was spamming the portal I got like 6 or so blams which added to like 9 blams and 9 saves spooky.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-14 20:28:09


At 2/14/10 07:00 PM, Sheizenhammer wrote:
At 2/14/10 04:25 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: My dad and I: plain old 3.2 MP camera phones just for making and receiving calls.
But seriously, since when are the LEAST TECH SAVVY PEOPLE SUPPOSED TO GET THE SMARTPHONES AND 3G ACCESS WHILE THE COLLEGE STUDENTS JUST GET TEXTING AND PLAIN OLD PHONES?!

Thoughts?
No. I'm so sick of kids calling camera phones with god-knows-how-many games, accessories and other features "plain old phones". That's not a plain phone; this is. It's good for making calls and even a few other things. Make do with one of those for a few years, and THEN we'll talk.

Quoted for amazingly high amounts of truth and justice.

Cell phones aren't toys for you to have fun with, they are useful tools and should be used as such. I want to punch people in the face whenever they complain about their phone not being "cool enough". Why do you even need internet connection and a hundred of other useless things? I know that a few people may actually need that kind of stuff, but most of us don't.

Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-15 01:11:45


At 2/12/10 10:23 PM, SoulMaster71 wrote: My opinion of snow didn't quite go like that. There was a marked, definite, 100% switch between ages 11 and 12. At 11, I loved the snow and prayed for it to come; at 12, I hated it and prayed to prevent it. God usually listened. The switch came when my parents made me start shoveling, of course. But this time, the snow got me the last three days off, only one of which I had to shovel the shit. So I'm as happy as it gets.

I have no problem with getting the snow off the driveway. It's when it freezes over and there's a sheet of ice over the pavement when it becomes an issue. I have blisters on my hands from having to help a neighbor out his driveway, which he let ice over. It sucked.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-15 16:17:44


At 2/13/10 04:18 PM, aldlv wrote: I live in Guatemala
is the country down of mexico...

Ah, gotcha. I can appreciate your situation. It's still a pain in the ass to shovel out my huge-ass driveway, lol...

this year was the first year in history, that snowed on Guatemala (you know... right now the weather is so crazy... stupid global warming)... but it snowed in the highest volcano here, so, it's not like i would decide to climb it from one day to another hahaha

We'd better call Al Gore quick! Quick, flash the Al Signal!

dumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumdumd um AL GORE!!!!
At 2/13/10 05:34 PM, Coop83 wrote: I'm sure you know where to find me.

True. I never see you on AIM, though :-)

Also, I've just added a new Blammers Update.

I'll have to check it out, thanks!

At 2/14/10 01:45 AM, byteslinger wrote: Sorry about the delay, but I've finally managed to finish the next chapter in my fanfic,

As usual, great work. I'm pretty much speechless on this one. I've gotten down to just waiting for the next one to come out.

Onto other good news, I finished Chapter 7, but I need to polish it up a bit. Once I get it down pat a bit better, I'll release it. I'll keep you posted!

*salutes*


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-15 16:56:36


Speaking of seeing Coop On AIM, he's on every so often, you just happen to either be away, helping clients, like...ME, or something else and pretty much miss him by like 5 minutes. ^_^

Impeccable timing is impeccable, Eagle. :P

Meanwhile, I'm still stuck in the 2nd half of chapter 10. :(


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-16 17:41:51



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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-16 21:23:07


At 2/15/10 04:56 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: Speaking of seeing Coop On AIM, he's on every so often, you just happen to either be away, helping clients, like...ME, or something else and pretty much miss him by like 5 minutes. ^_^

Impeccable timing is impeccable, Eagle. :P

Meanwhile, I'm still stuck in the 2nd half of chapter 10. :(

It sucks getting stuck, doesn't it? No matter how hard you try, you can't get it right. That's the way it was for Chapter 7, until now:

Back in the Barracks - Chapter 7

Enjoy!


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-16 23:17:25


Well the entry got blammed I have not read The Barracks Under Fire story yet I will read it though. I was reading the list and I thought it was out of date but then I saw august 2009. Silly me I looked into the obituaries and noticed some Kitty Krew stuff and saw the author was deleted. Don't know who it was though. Been blamming more lately guess I'm getting more harsh now with entries then before. Soon my b/p ratio may be better.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 06:36:35


At 2/15/10 04:17 PM, EagleRock wrote:
At 2/13/10 05:34 PM, Coop83 wrote: I'm sure you know where to find me.
True. I never see you on AIM, though :-)

A quick PM saying "Coop FFS, get on AIM >:(" Should do the trick there. Sometimes I just can't be arsed to load it, because you get 14 different conversations start straight away and 4 of them are "Wow, I'm talking to a mod!", while others range from helping people out, then closing the conversation repeatedly until they get the point that I don't care about what their cat did, all the way to the standard conversations with people that I actually have an interest in (This is where you guys come in)

Also, I've just added a new Blammers Update.
I'll have to check it out, thanks!

I've got a few positions ripe for the picking ahead of me, so I'll have to keep plugging onwards.

At 2/15/10 04:56 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: Speaking of seeing Coop On AIM, he's on every so often, you just happen to either be away, helping clients, like...ME, or something else and pretty much miss him by like 5 minutes. ^_^

It happens.

Right two major plans for today - getting lots of reviews done and cracking on with the writing projects for my werewolf story and then again for my Writing Contest Entry. I will finish both, but the Werewolf piece looks like a longer deadline, so over time I will get there.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 14:49:50


At 2/16/10 11:17 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: Well the entry got blammed I have not read The Barracks Under Fire story yet.

o_0
0_o

You're joking! Man, are you way behind, Eagle was finishing it up all through the later half of last year Phantom. It's quite a good read.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 15:04:00


****STOLEN FLASH SUBMISSION**** *EPIC FACEPALM*

Stolen:

This idiot says it's not his in the comments.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 15:05:25


At 2/17/10 03:04 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: ****STOLEN FLASH SUBMISSION**** *EPIC FACEPALM*

Stolen:
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/52 7943
This idiot says it's not his in the comments.

You beat me to it, but remember to always include a link to the original ;)

http://www.mochimedia.com/games/test_v69 0/

Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 15:17:05


Yea, I just figured this idiot's comments would be incriminating enough. Why should the Rule of Law only be applicable outside the net? Hell his comment is as good as a B&E (Breaking & Entering) confession as far as I'm concerned.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 17:16:47


At 2/17/10 03:17 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: Yea, I just figured this idiot's comments would be incriminating enough. Why should the Rule of Law only be applicable outside the net? Hell his comment is as good as a B&E (Breaking & Entering) confession as far as I'm concerned.

Because sometimes a user will say something's stolen when it isn't, in an attempt to screw everyone's whistle over when the flash goes under judgement, and he / she proves it was unfairly flagged. Doesn't happen often, but bear in mind that there's nothing really stopping it from happening either.

Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 17:34:25


This, however, is most definitely stolen:

Original.

(NSFW)

My guess is that it'll be fileswapped later, but meh; I tried.

Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-17 17:47:43


At 2/17/10 02:49 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote:
At 2/16/10 11:17 PM, phantomlassuk wrote: Well the entry got blammed I have not read The Barracks Under Fire story yet.
o_0
0_o

You're joking! Man,

*Woman :P

Even though I'm sure you weren't using it in that manner, but instead using man as the generic word that people use when talking to a human.

are you way behind, Eagle was finishing it up all through the later half of last year Phantom. It's quite a good read.

I also haven't read it yet, but Eagle and I recently talked about the series and how I was going to be incorporated into them so I guess I'm kind of forced to read into them because everyone loves to have things written about themselves. :]

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Aw nuts, I missed it. Ah well, nice catch Sheizen.

Anyway, check this out:

The Who -- before Super Bowl XLIV, UNPLUGGED

The Who -- start of Super Bowl XLIV Bridgestone Halftime Show, HD

The Who -- part 2 of 2 of the Super Bowl XLIV Bridgestone Halftime Show, HD

Here's a short conversation I had with EagleRock over AIM about an hour and a half ago:

DragonMaster368 4:37 pm
oh, something my dad said to me during the 1st quarter of the Super Bowl was "Maybe we'll get to see David Caruso."

EagleRock1337 4:44 pm
lol

DragonMaster368 4:45 pm
and to be honest, it would've been extremely fucking awesome!

EagleRock1337 4:46 pm
alien encounter during super bowl

DragonMaster368 4:46 pm
*drum and syth/guitar solo* + *one liner* + *sunglasses* = YYYYYEEEAAAAAAH!!!
lol

EagleRock1337 4:46 pm
Sounds like we... *sunglasses* have touch down
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

DragonMaster368 4:46 pm
damn right!

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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-18 09:17:21


That random poll about the NGPD has been going on for about a week, and I don't think anyone else is gonna reply to it, so I posted the results of the NGPD's poll in your thread, and vice versa.

Predictably, the EGB read the NGPD thread more often than NGPD'ers come here. However, there are a couple of people who don't really check it often enough to be of much use when flagging things. Even though they're supposed to be the "junior" crew, it doesn't mean there won't be stuff in there that the EGB hasn't found. I remember at least a dozen things I posted in the NGPD only, that the EGB didn't spot, back when I was in the club.

It always pays to read another thread. Especially if that thread is about more-or-less the same thing as this one. I'm glad most of you don't need telling this, but it's worth saying for as long as there are people who put significantly more value on either thread.

Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-18 09:46:53


Damn my fucking charger for my laptop has stopped working no warning then again it was being held together with tape LOL. That is about the third one or second I forget. Anyway I'm using another Mac because mine is dead till I get a new battery charger. Anyway I'm more careful about flagging then I used to be you are right about people saying its stolen in there comments. The author may say that to fool people. Still good idea to check for links and stuff before flagging. That ScaryMovie guy has stolen flashes before.


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At 2/17/10 06:36 AM, Coop83 wrote: A quick PM saying "Coop FFS, get on AIM >:(" Should do the trick there. Sometimes I just can't be arsed to load it, because you get 14 different conversations start straight away and 4 of them are "Wow, I'm talking to a mod!", while others range from helping people out, then closing the conversation repeatedly until they get the point that I don't care about what their cat did, all the way to the standard conversations with people that I actually have an interest in (This is where you guys come in)

That gave me a laugh..."Wow, I'm talking to a mod!" I'll be sure to say that every time we chat on AIM. :-P

At 2/17/10 03:17 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: Yea, I just figured this idiot's comments would be incriminating enough. Why should the Rule of Law only be applicable outside the net? Hell his comment is as good as a B&E (Breaking & Entering) confession as far as I'm concerned.

This is half true. They could in fact have permission to post it. That, as far as I know, is allowed. You have your point, but Ismael's the argument holds water, too. It's best to follow-up with some evidence, if possible. Of course, it got flagged, so both of you are really right, after all. :-)

At 2/17/10 05:47 PM, Fro wrote: I also haven't read it yet, but Eagle and I recently talked about the series and how I was going to be incorporated into them so I guess I'm kind of forced to read into them because everyone loves to have things written about themselves. :]

Of course. Still, the first story is fun as well (especially the later chapters, and also because it feeds the second story along). Naturally, you might not have the propensity to read a 60,000 word prequel to BITB. :-P

At 2/17/10 05:50 PM, SlntCobra1 wrote: EagleRock1337 4:46 pm
Sounds like we... *sunglasses* have touch down
YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

The Caruso formula of Epic One Liners never fails to entertain. :-P

At 2/18/10 09:17 AM, Sheizenhammer wrote: Predictably, the EGB read the NGPD thread more often than NGPD'ers come here. However, there are a couple of people who don't really check it often enough to be of much use when flagging things. Even though they're supposed to be the "junior" crew, it doesn't mean there won't be stuff in there that the EGB hasn't found. I remember at least a dozen things I posted in the NGPD only, that the EGB didn't spot, back when I was in the club.

I don't think anyone actually considers the NGPD any less capable of finding Portal violations. Rather, people just don't think to check the other thread. Personally, I come here initially to post/chat/lurk, and any reports I look at as they come. Similarly, if I'm not lurking the NGPD that day, it's not because I think their flaggings are "substandard," I am just not wont to lurk their thread on a daily basis, especially not enough to catch UJ Portal violations.

Either way, it's best to post in one place or the other, and just work towards having both clubs check for violations in both threads. I'm sure I could get into the groove of checking the NGPD, even for just a few seconds to see if there are any violations to report. Also, it's really the best way to do it, rather than Post+1-ing like Coop mentioned.

It always pays to read another thread. Especially if that thread is about more-or-less the same thing as this one. I'm glad most of you don't need telling this, but it's worth saying for as long as there are people who put significantly more value on either thread.

Well put. :-) Thanks for the input!

At 2/18/10 09:46 AM, phantomlassuk wrote: Damn my fucking charger for my laptop has stopped working no warning then again it was being held together with tape LOL. That is about the third one or second I forget. Anyway I'm using another Mac because mine is dead till I get a new battery charger.

I hate when that happens. I had a Dell that managed to go through three chargers before the soldering points for the power adapter plug finally broke on the motherboard. By then, it was 8 years old, so I said the hell with it. :-)

You'd think that by 2010 they could invent a charger that wouldn't break as easily. I actually just placed an order today for three chargers that employees broke out in the field. It's ridiculous.

Anyway I'm more careful about flagging then I used to be you are right about people saying its stolen in there comments. The author may say that to fool people. Still good idea to check for links and stuff before flagging. That ScaryMovie guy has stolen flashes before.

Leave it to our Portal Violations officer to put it best. :-)


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-18 13:25:57


Bad news, guys, my laptop hard drive fried itself so I won't be able to visit the Portal as often as I have been. I'll still be on, just not frequently until I get this sorted out.

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Sorry to hear that dude. I've been wondering where the hell you've been.

Do you have any idea about how this happened? I'm pretty sure Byte & Eagle might have some clue, but I sure as hell don't.


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Response to The Elite Guard Barracks 2010-02-18 21:46:46


My laptop kept restarting without warning lately, and believing that it was nothing I just went along with it. I didn't have any viruses or other malicious content, so I just don't know at the moment.